You can't possibly know how lucky you are to have gone through that program. It's 32 years after I first walked into an FSAE shop and it was probably the biggest single event of my entire life. Great stuff!
Really glad to see a yearly overview of FS. I'm taking on chief engineer of a new FSUK IC team this year as an electrical student. Pretty much dealing with project management and engine tuning so this is really encouraging to see a team do the same goals as us.
Trust me when you said that you were facing a problem in Noise. And noise levels were near 124 decibels. We literally faced the same issue during our noise. But it was mainly due to echoing of sound in sidepods as the muffler was enclosed within the sidepods. We got it fixed by removing the sidepod and retesting again. This time it was around 105 at 7500 rpm. Unfortunately we couldn't attempt brakes. As we were past the deadline. I was responsible for Electronics and tuning in my team for 3 years and graduating this year as a captain. I could relate to the pain of not having the base map and also the engine parameters with you when you are starting from scratch. Anyways great job with the vehicle!
Awesome to see that you guys were able to get a working car within a year with so little knowledge transfer. I just joined my school's FS team an it amazes me how many factors the team leads have to take into consideration.
Awesome video, it totally embodies the FSAE spirit. Nice job making it through scrutineering, for a near new team that's still really good! Hoping to see more from you in the future, I like the vlog style content.
Nice build review, and you all did great for a new team! I know the sound limit gets a lot of teams. I wish my team still made a combustion car, but now we're only electric (sad). Best of luck with your 23' car!
This is such a cool video. Congratulations on making a car and mostly passing tech. That's a huge achievement. I would recommend when you're testing to keep the cones on top of the chalk. At competition, a big factor is hitting cones, because with one cone hit that is a 2 second penalty. I noticed that your drivers were going over the lines a lot, which would result in multiple cone hits. Watch some onboards from other teams at Michigan and try and emulate tracks similar to that.
That's so awesome! You guys are such a small team, impressive work! I wonder does every team use a kind of manual to build their car or something because I notice they look very similar (I know there is a rule book but is it detailed enough to help that much)?
The rule book is quite dense, but that dictates a lot of the chassis and safety systems mainly. Maybe I’m being cynical, but suspect many of the cars look the same because they look around at other cars to see what works. It’s a combination of both. I’ve had this debate on the team before. I’ll ask “are we doing it this way because it’s actually the best way to do this from a first principles perspective, or because we saw another team do it and it looked ‘good’?”
You obviously have to design a rules compliant car, which sets things like build spaces for aerodynamic devices, structural requirements for crash safety, grounding rules, power/air flow limits, mandatory safety devices (BSPD, TSAL [dunno if also for IC cars?], EBS if you're doing DV) etc But besides that you're fairly free to do whatever you want. It's just a matter of teams converging on similar approaches because they've been proven to work within a certain budget/effort required. You absolutely do see quite a few different approaches as you go from small/new to large and well resourced teams. For example there's tube frame vs CF monocoque, aerodynamics has tons of differentiation (do you have it, if yes how complex, do you use prepreg, how much simulation/validation do you do?). On the EV side of things, which is what I can speak to, there's also tons of differentiation in terms of drivetrain/battery. You have everything from cylindrical cells in metal boxes with off the shelf battery management systems, to pouch cells in aramid boxes with fully custom PCBs, custom inverters, etc. For motors you have single motors running thru a diff, dual rear motors, or all-wheel drive with outboard motors. (all in order of increasing performance and complexity/cost). On the IC side you have less drivetrain differentiation in terms of basic architecture aiui just because everyone basically has to use motorcycle engines of some description. Not really feasible to develop your own engine ofc, and there aren't bespoke engines for FSAE either afaik. (contrast with electric motors!) (I'm not familiar with FSAE, I do Formula Student, but should be roughly comparable)
Congrats on the car!!! Super impressive! I am trying to bring it to my college and improve on a build that was built before me (before covid lmao). Quick question, you have a small aerodyanmics cover on the car, I was wondering what you made it out of and the manufacturing process of it. Thanks for the help.
Hey dude is there any good way (for free or low cost) to learn how to use an Emrax motor (axial flux)? Im looking for resources to learn :D Love channels like this! SAE is so cool!
I am not very familiar with that motor other than it’s used by a ton of EV teams. I’d recommend reading tech reports from other teams as a place to start. See what type of motor control they’re using and work from there. That’d be where I would start!
Nice video bro, ur the kid that once met Joe Biden, thats pretty cool. Maybe you will meet him again one day who knows? Anyway very nice, i once met the danish prime minister Mette Frederiksen 😀👍
You can't possibly know how lucky you are to have gone through that program. It's 32 years after I first walked into an FSAE shop and it was probably the biggest single event of my entire life.
Great stuff!
Really glad to see a yearly overview of FS. I'm taking on chief engineer of a new FSUK IC team this year as an electrical student. Pretty much dealing with project management and engine tuning so this is really encouraging to see a team do the same goals as us.
Good luck dude! It’s a massive undertaking but you’ll learn so much. Trial by fire!
I'm studying electrical do you think I'll be able to be useful in the formula sae , or should I try go into the hybrid one ?
Everybody remembers that legendary helmet.
Trust me when you said that you were facing a problem in Noise. And noise levels were near 124 decibels. We literally faced the same issue during our noise. But it was mainly due to echoing of sound in sidepods as the muffler was enclosed within the sidepods. We got it fixed by removing the sidepod and retesting again. This time it was around 105 at 7500 rpm. Unfortunately we couldn't attempt brakes. As we were past the deadline.
I was responsible for Electronics and tuning in my team for 3 years and graduating this year as a captain. I could relate to the pain of not having the base map and also the engine parameters with you when you are starting from scratch.
Anyways great job with the vehicle!
Awesome to see that you guys were able to get a working car within a year with so little knowledge transfer. I just joined my school's FS team an it amazes me how many factors the team leads have to take into consideration.
Awesome video, it totally embodies the FSAE spirit. Nice job making it through scrutineering, for a near new team that's still really good! Hoping to see more from you in the future, I like the vlog style content.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed! Yeah I totally want to make more videos but I’ve just been doing other things.
Nice build review, and you all did great for a new team! I know the sound limit gets a lot of teams. I wish my team still made a combustion car, but now we're only electric (sad). Best of luck with your 23' car!
This is such a cool video. Congratulations on making a car and mostly passing tech. That's a huge achievement.
I would recommend when you're testing to keep the cones on top of the chalk. At competition, a big factor is hitting cones, because with one cone hit that is a 2 second penalty. I noticed that your drivers were going over the lines a lot, which would result in multiple cone hits. Watch some onboards from other teams at Michigan and try and emulate tracks similar to that.
Kudos to you guys! We are also working to build a FSAE vehicle. It is really challenging and exciting.
It really is. You can do it!
You’re such a great editor buddy! That was awesome
Thanks man!! You were a major contributor in getting this car running.
god i'd love to build one
mostly the aerodynamic side of things
Sick car man! Congrats to you and the team 🎉
thanks Konark!!
Wow, amazing project and great vid, you are going places man :D
That's so awesome! You guys are such a small team, impressive work! I wonder does every team use a kind of manual to build their car or something because I notice they look very similar (I know there is a rule book but is it detailed enough to help that much)?
The rule book is quite dense, but that dictates a lot of the chassis and safety systems mainly. Maybe I’m being cynical, but suspect many of the cars look the same because they look around at other cars to see what works. It’s a combination of both. I’ve had this debate on the team before. I’ll ask “are we doing it this way because it’s actually the best way to do this from a first principles perspective, or because we saw another team do it and it looked ‘good’?”
You obviously have to design a rules compliant car, which sets things like build spaces for aerodynamic devices, structural requirements for crash safety, grounding rules, power/air flow limits, mandatory safety devices (BSPD, TSAL [dunno if also for IC cars?], EBS if you're doing DV) etc
But besides that you're fairly free to do whatever you want. It's just a matter of teams converging on similar approaches because they've been proven to work within a certain budget/effort required. You absolutely do see quite a few different approaches as you go from small/new to large and well resourced teams.
For example there's tube frame vs CF monocoque, aerodynamics has tons of differentiation (do you have it, if yes how complex, do you use prepreg, how much simulation/validation do you do?).
On the EV side of things, which is what I can speak to, there's also tons of differentiation in terms of drivetrain/battery. You have everything from cylindrical cells in metal boxes with off the shelf battery management systems, to pouch cells in aramid boxes with fully custom PCBs, custom inverters, etc. For motors you have single motors running thru a diff, dual rear motors, or all-wheel drive with outboard motors. (all in order of increasing performance and complexity/cost).
On the IC side you have less drivetrain differentiation in terms of basic architecture aiui just because everyone basically has to use motorcycle engines of some description. Not really feasible to develop your own engine ofc, and there aren't bespoke engines for FSAE either afaik. (contrast with electric motors!)
(I'm not familiar with FSAE, I do Formula Student, but should be roughly comparable)
Congrats on the car!!! Super impressive! I am trying to bring it to my college and improve on a build that was built before me (before covid lmao). Quick question, you have a small aerodyanmics cover on the car, I was wondering what you made it out of and the manufacturing process of it. Thanks for the help.
Nice! That’s a big job. It’s fiberglass. We used a CNC to create a wooden mold to do the layup!
Great video!
congrats on the video bro! Quick question, what radiator did you end up using?
We used 2 mishimoto motorcycle radiators
Looks like you guys wrapped the chassis with something to keep debris out prior to the nose cone. What was that? Some kind of vinyl?
It’s aircraft fabric! I believe the brand name is Oratex.
😊
Hey dude is there any good way (for free or low cost) to learn how to use an Emrax motor (axial flux)? Im looking for resources to learn :D
Love channels like this! SAE is so cool!
I am not very familiar with that motor other than it’s used by a ton of EV teams. I’d recommend reading tech reports from other teams as a place to start. See what type of motor control they’re using and work from there. That’d be where I would start!
@@GavinRemme Where are these tech reports? Thank you :D
Google lol some teams publish them. Also look at the FSAE website
Did you use a pdm to power your sub system?
No, just a fuse box with relays
Nice video bro, ur the kid that once met Joe Biden, thats pretty cool. Maybe you will meet him again one day who knows? Anyway very nice, i once met the danish prime minister Mette Frederiksen 😀👍
i started a new team in a place thaat never had teams before is their a way to contact you as i have couple of questions to ask
and thanks in advance