Solution to everyone: Use ffmpeg. Every professional or semi-pro who works with video must have it installed. Use following command: ffmpeg -i (inputfilename) -c:v dnxhd -vf format=yuv422p10 -b:v 185M (outputfilename) Find a command for batch file converting of multiple clips.
The free clip browser app from Sony, "Catalyst Browse 2017" can open 10-bit GH5 files and transcode them to a different format. I use Catalyst Browse to transcode my GH5 files to Sony XAVC Intra formats which I can then open with several different NLEs. It's free and definitely worth a look.
If I use my Atomos Ninja recorder editing is a breeze. DNxHQ 4k 10bit 60p is no problem. But 4k 8bit LONGgop and my pc can't even play a file decently in Premiere. LONGgop codec is a nightmare, even on my I7 16gb full SSD system. I now create proxies in Premiere and render out the original files.
So I guess the short answer is that you cannot use the native files out of the camera. I guess alternatively you can use an outboard recorder while shooting to eliminate the whole BS of proxies and transcoding after the fact. The allure of the GH5 is the ability to shoot continuously with zero stoppage at 30 minutes so it is pretty likely you will see massive long takes and hence large file sizes. With the outboard recorder you are going to solve that problem as well. Now do you use VLog and is it worth getting>??
This is the unfortunate truth, at least until a fix comes. The file sizes are really not that bad(compared to prorez or dnxhd). It's about a gig a minute at 4k 10bit. I think that is part of the problem we are facing with the editing. They are highly compressed and it takes a ton of processing power to decode those on the fly. We are going to be testing the Atmos Shogun the first week of July and I will do a video about that. I also have been using VLog, and it does make a difference, but if you are short on cash the new CineD can get a very close look to VLog. Some even like it more. I will do a video comparing the two for better reference.
Brilliant. I'm on an incredible MacPro but a GH5 giving it issues? Disturbing, but hopefully Adobe fixes it soon. I learned some great stuff about proxy editing. I would like to know your roundabout workflow when bringing your footage from Premiere to DaVinci and using your proxy technique. Simple export to XML, and they include the original clips?
I just got my gh5 and my premiere pro works with 10bit 422.I can color grade and export to a h.264 for viewing Did something change ?I knw for shooting 6k out of the gh5 you need to transcode to prores
I can't even import the footage in Premiere or Resolve. It only imports audio. What software should I use to transcode the footage without losing any image quality?
Hi, when I drag the footage into premiere there is only audio. And when I try to put it in Media Encoder it will just be a black screen. Not sure what is going on, I am currently on windows 10.
I have figured out the problem, the problem is because the new updates doesn't support the footage. I reverted my AME back to the first 2017 version, which read all the footage fine then transcoded.
Interesting! I haven't updated past the original 2017 update. You might try converting through another application to see if cineform or prores will work with the new Adobe updates.
Nothing works, everything I've tried still ends up giving me the black screen, whether it be Cineform or dnxhr...Am I just screwed until they finally fix this? Just seems like a silly issue to be having. I can run the footage through After Effects, but I lose quality and I am fairly certain it's not 10 Bit...
what is a good laptop for editing this 422 10 bit (the hardware. Windows based. I want to buy a new laptop that I can keep for a bit. thanks for your input)
Thanks for your tips! If I use proxies, is there something I need to do special when I export the footage or will the proxies be replaced with the original file?
"I missed a step for the proxy method. You have to enable the proxy on your viewer to see the proxy file, instead of the original" Where do you do this?!?!?! Is on the source monitor or program monitor. I dont see an option to change this
i found a transcoder called 'editready' which works well on my two-year old imac and fcpx although the files expands 5x going from .mov to prores hq. it costs $50 but the developer is very responsive and emailed me a beta to support the gh5. but i'm hoping that apple gets things updated to support the 10-bit files before too much longer and such workarounds won't be needed. /guy
I downloaded your footages and imported them into Resolve 14, then generated optimized media, and it works fine.
Solution to everyone: Use ffmpeg. Every professional or semi-pro who works with video must have it installed. Use following command:
ffmpeg -i (inputfilename) -c:v dnxhd -vf format=yuv422p10 -b:v 185M (outputfilename)
Find a command for batch file converting of multiple clips.
David Bohata Interesting
If my incoming file is 150M, should I reduce the output to 150M too
The free clip browser app from Sony, "Catalyst Browse 2017" can open 10-bit GH5 files and transcode them to a different format. I use Catalyst Browse to transcode my GH5 files to Sony XAVC Intra formats which I can then open with several different NLEs. It's free and definitely worth a look.
Why not transcode to cineform? Or dnxhd?
punching in to a closer frame can help you hide jump cuts more naturally.
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If I use my Atomos Ninja recorder editing is a breeze. DNxHQ 4k 10bit 60p is no problem. But 4k 8bit LONGgop and my pc can't even play a file decently in Premiere. LONGgop codec is a nightmare, even on my I7 16gb full SSD system. I now create proxies in Premiere and render out the original files.
So I guess the short answer is that you cannot use the native files out of the camera. I guess alternatively you can use an outboard recorder while shooting to eliminate the whole BS of proxies and transcoding after the fact. The allure of the GH5 is the ability to shoot continuously with zero stoppage at 30 minutes so it is pretty likely you will see massive long takes and hence large file sizes. With the outboard recorder you are going to solve that problem as well. Now do you use VLog and is it worth getting>??
This is the unfortunate truth, at least until a fix comes. The file sizes are really not that bad(compared to prorez or dnxhd). It's about a gig a minute at 4k 10bit. I think that is part of the problem we are facing with the editing. They are highly compressed and it takes a ton of processing power to decode those on the fly. We are going to be testing the Atmos Shogun the first week of July and I will do a video about that. I also have been using VLog, and it does make a difference, but if you are short on cash the new CineD can get a very close look to VLog. Some even like it more. I will do a video comparing the two for better reference.
Bless you...a PC user!
Watching your video, either I had a small stroke every few seconds or some sort of time dilation weirdness.
There seem to be little segments missing.
his shutter speed is incorrect lol
Brilliant. I'm on an incredible MacPro but a GH5 giving it issues? Disturbing, but hopefully Adobe fixes it soon. I learned some great stuff about proxy editing.
I would like to know your roundabout workflow when bringing your footage from Premiere to DaVinci and using your proxy technique. Simple export to XML, and they include the original clips?
so weird Ive never came accross this problem yet, thankfully.
Yeah, oddly, as I was trying to make that video, I could play back and edit all the files directly. No more crashes or lag.
I just got my gh5 and my premiere pro works with 10bit 422.I can color grade and export to a h.264 for viewing
Did something change ?I knw for shooting 6k out of the gh5 you need to transcode to prores
you need the dongle for Resolve if you want to work with 10 bit footage
I can't even import the footage in Premiere or Resolve. It only imports audio. What software should I use to transcode the footage without losing any image quality?
Hi, when I drag the footage into premiere there is only audio. And when I try to put it in Media Encoder it will just be a black screen. Not sure what is going on, I am currently on windows 10.
same thing is happening to me, not sure what is going on.
I have figured out the problem, the problem is because the new updates doesn't support the footage. I reverted my AME back to the first 2017 version, which read all the footage fine then transcoded.
how were you able to revert back? I've never had to do this before...
Interesting! I haven't updated past the original 2017 update. You might try converting through another application to see if cineform or prores will work with the new Adobe updates.
Uninstall through CC, then there should be a filter setting which allows you to choose which version to install.
Nothing works, everything I've tried still ends up giving me the black screen, whether it be Cineform or dnxhr...Am I just screwed until they finally fix this? Just seems like a silly issue to be having. I can run the footage through After Effects, but I lose quality and I am fairly certain it's not 10 Bit...
what is a good laptop for editing this 422 10 bit (the hardware. Windows based. I want to buy a new laptop that I can keep for a bit. thanks for your input)
Will there be any loss in quality in the footage after transcoding to Cineform?
I don't have any problems editing my GH5 10bit 422 files in DaVinci Resolve 12.5.
I assume you are using the paid version (not the free version)?
Thanks for your tips! If I use proxies, is there something I need to do special when I export the footage or will the proxies be replaced with the original file?
good question, I just got mine, did you figure it out ?
question with premiere pro..so if I want to do a final delivery (render) how do I connect to the original files? instead if rendering thru proxies.
It should export using the original files. The proxies only show up in your preview windows.
"I missed a step for the proxy method. You have to enable the proxy on your viewer to see the proxy file, instead of the original" Where do you do this?!?!?! Is on the source monitor or program monitor. I dont see an option to change this
how to transcode GH5 clips 150 mbps for davinci resole 14 please?
i am using DaVinci, i have a problem with 10 bit 4 2;2; ,in mac siearra OS ,
clips is showing media off line ,how can i dot pls give some tips ,
Free (If that's what you're using of course) DaVinci does not support 10 bit 422 unfortunately.
i found a transcoder called 'editready' which works well on my two-year old imac and fcpx although the files expands 5x going from .mov to prores hq. it costs $50 but the developer is very responsive and emailed me a beta to support the gh5. but i'm hoping that apple gets things updated to support the 10-bit files before too much longer and such workarounds won't be needed. /guy
btw, i would test for you, but adobe is banished from my system--they've been dead to me since the 80s for their greedy and intolerant drm stance.
Everything good and right .... only 99% of all views have neither the right screen, quasi 10Bit capable .... and You Tube eh only 8 bits
Good video, ;-)
Vegas Pro 17 can read 10 bit
I am using the free version.