Garmin Epix Pro vs Apple Watch Ultra Heart Rate Accuracy Comparison - Surprising!
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- Apple and Garmin currently have two of the most accurate heart rate sensors on the market for a smartwatch, but which one is best?
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It’s ok to put it off for 12 minutes I hope ;) Thanks!
@@DesFit absolutely was
Thanks for the comparison! After watching so many of these kinds of videos, I finally just bought a Polar H10 strap refurbished for $50. So glad I did! I love having complete confidence in the data!
A great strap 👍 Thanks!
Very informative video, much is appreciated.
I used both of the watches from time to time, however I recently settled on the Apple Watch ultra as it did what I needed it to do.
Thanks so much and glad the watch you chose is doing what you need it to do 👍
AS always professional vid.
Thanks!
Thanks for the video! Which one would be a better watch for tennis?
Was looking for this since I bought the epix to replace my AW ultra. Can you also do a sleep tracking comparison?
Issue I’ve had with Apple Watches ( ultra and series 8 ) is they constantly drop heart rate readings. Doesn’t matter how tight or where the watch is on the wrist and it’s extremely frustrating
These results, and even older generation HRMs, are fine for my use. If you want another use case to test, try an impact sport like tennis, on both the dominant and non-dominant hand with a 2-handed backhand.
Thank you, greatly appreciated!! You the best
Thanks!
Perhaps beside the subject of the video. What was the difference in comfort if any between the AWU and the Epix pro 51mm and or the 47mm fenix? At any point while doing your tests did you feel you gravitated to either of the garmin based on size?
I’m on the fence between a 47 vs 51mm epix.
Thanks 🙏🏾
Thanks
Thanks for including mountain biking!
Of course!
Very useful vid. As always
I saw your nutritional vid.
And I want to ask also what is your routine in the gym if you can tell me because as I see you I want to go to the same results ( for my opinion you have the perfect body not to much with mussel and not leaner
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Great review, thanks!
Thanks!
Excelent video!
Thanks!
Great job, Des!
Thanks John!
Thanks for the comparison!
Is there any way to calculate the net/active calories for the Polar H10 similar to the smartwatch (Apple,.Garmin,...)?
As much as the strip heart sensor is accurate, I think the smartwatch is more particular in daily use.
Excellent review...!
Thanks!
Great one and much awaited! Can you also please do Apple Health vs Garmin Connect? Tx
Oh boy, so that's kind of a beast of a comparison. I may visit that idea once iOS17/WatchOS 10 are finalized in the fall. Thanks!
Great, thanks for your reply!
Sure thing!
I second this
Hey there.. both iOS17 and watchOS10 are now available, can you please do Garmin Connect vs Apple Health now? Thanks!!@@DesFit
Love your reviews! Do you have a video testing HRs in specifically colder outdoor weather?
Thanks
Thanks! I don't have a video on that but results will vary since blood vessels may react differently from person to person. Personally, I start to see a drift in accuracy below 50 degrees F.
@@DesFit That feels about right for me too, unfortunately :( Maybe even below 55F.
For weight training which one is better? If this is my 1st time getting the epix should I get the epix gen 2 that’s on sale (40%)off or the pricey epix pro ? Please advice thanks
Great video! One of the annoying thing for Apple Watch is it misses heart rate frequently especially at the beginning of exercise. If I don’t stop and fix it, Apple Watch missed heart rate for whole exercise and never record heart rate … I hope Apple fixed this …
Good to see that Fenix 7X Solar performed well when compared to Enduro on H10. Thanks for this video. Informative as usual !
Thanks! This was the Fenix 7 Pro Solar by the way, not the Fenix 7X Solar (non-pro) with the previous generation sensor. Garmin isn't shy about having lots of different models ;) The other watches referenced in the charts were just used to pair to external HR monitors so the watches themselves don't really make any difference, just the external sensor data 👍
@@DesFit At 10:42, it is 7X Pro Solar ? Thanks !
@@fdaguindeau That's an older data set from last year with the Fenix 7X Solar (non-Pro) but it was paired to the Garmin HRM Pro chest heart rate strap. When you see "WHR" that means the wrist heart rate sensor and not an external sensor 👍
Thanks for sharing your experience, very interesting! I did some tests on my side as well and for me the results on a mountain bike were better than on a road bike... Did you get close to your max on a road bike ? That's were things get more complicated... For me above 170 where my max is 185...
Great video as usual!
Also and FYI for those with tattoo sleeves
You'll definitely see a difference if you have tattoos:
- Fenix 6x Sapphire: Stops reading my HR on the darker tattoo areas.
- Apple Watch SE, 6, 7 and Ultra: Reads my HR ok even on the darker tattoo areas.
I also tested this on a Garmin store with the Epix 2, and the Fenix 7 series and same thing happens ... sadly because I really like Garmin (ofc, you can always buy a chest strap)
Thanks for sharing your experience!
Thank you!
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For the ultra what is the best external heartbeat sensor? Great video by the way!
I'd recommend a Polar or Garmin HR strap. All the current models should have bluetooth to work with an Apple Watch. Thanks!
Very nice vid! Thanks for that.
I'm in the market for a Garmin (I hate Apple ;)) and the Fenix 7 Pro will be my choice I reckon!
Can you check on the garmin mk3i heart rate accuracy. pleaseee
Best reviews as always. Can you compare the gen 5 and gen 4 sensors on activities like running? I bought fr965 last night, its not even delivered yet. If im gonna be a generation behind for the next 5-6 years, I can just return the 965 and wait until next forerunner model with gen 5 sensor equipped. Many thanks.
I got pretty good results with the 965 for running even though it has the previous generation sensor. One thing going for it is that it's quite light weight making it easier for sensor tracking.
thank you, now I feel much better about my purchase! @@DesFit Lately all the content I've been consuming have been yours, some videos I've watched multiple times to take all the information in. Thanks again for the great content!!
Sure thing! And in regards to heart rate accuracy, check out this video on some tips and tricks to get the best accuracy from your watch: th-cam.com/video/SbiQjQK8PsM/w-d-xo.html
I have both, honestly I don’t find much of a difference, which is actually disappointing on my end lol cuz I would expect gen 5 to be better.
I am not looking for most accurate information, but I have still paired my Garmin Watch with Polar Chest Sensor for more accurate (assuming it is) data that Garmin app can use for analysis. I use chest sensor only for intense exercises.
Recently took delivery of an Epix Pro Sapphire 51mm. Although very pleased with it, after the first time in the Gym I then took delivery of an HRM-Pro Plus. Enough said?
Great comparison! Seems to be be very a very solid test setup. I am always a little sceptical with this other scientific tester where always AW wins with everything. Would love to see a sleep state tracking comparison between those two watches from you.
Thanks! Sleep tracking can be a bit tough to test since even medical grade equipment is apparently only 80% accurate give or take. I can comment on time in bed, time awake, as well as my subjective comparison of sleep score but sleep stages are more challenging.
Excellent that Garmin are getting closer. How tight do you wear the watches for these results?
Very snug but not so tight that it's cutting off circulation. You basically want to prevent movement as well as any light leaking in between the sensor and your skin.
Thanks!
Ive started running recently and im planning on running a marathon next year. Im going to buy an apple watch this year, but do you think i should also get a chest/arm heart rate sensor or is the apple watch just enough? Thanks in advance!
Apple Watches have performed pretty well for me with running. There can always be good days and bad days for the sensor of course, so for the most accurate and reliable data an external sensor is best. I'd say give it a whirl for some training sessions and see what kind of results you get 👍 I also have some tips and tricks on getting better accuracy out of a smartwatch you can find here: th-cam.com/video/SbiQjQK8PsM/w-d-xo.html
@@DesFit Thank you 👐. I'll check it out!
I’d like to see the Garmin Epix Pro against the Polar Vantage V3. Both are new sensors, wrist based.
Watch ultra Vs watch 6 classic please mate
I always thought the nylon band was way better for accuracy.. i guess not. Thank you! Seems Garmin is catching up in terms of accuracy.
Which software did you used for the comparison?
The DC Rainmaker Analyzer - a fantastic tool anyone can use! www.dcrainmaker.com/analyzer
When you going to review the Samsung Classic 6 watch ,we need you to do a review soon, too many click bait reviews out there with no real life tests on battery usage,thanks .
They don't compare not Accurate and battery sucks
Obviously using a external HR sensor is best as you pointed out. Additionally the accuracy is probably negligible for weight training since you are really not evaluating your cardio performance as you would during cycling or running. In my opinion the best aspect of a good watch is more related with the addition configurations of capturing continuous HR and pulse oximetry or perhaps EKG. Plus the fitness test that the watches can preform such as the Polar Vantage V2 or GritX Pro. The Apple Watch hasn’t been designed to have fitness performance features that the Garmin’s and Polar’s have had but I’m sure Apple will have 3rd party Apps or perhaps acquire them eventually.
Do you think Samsung is good for fitness?
@@MarcoPolo82 I wouldn’t consider it a watch capable of having all the features of the Garmin’s or Polar’s but it would probably be good as a basic fitness and activity tracker
@@hardmtnbiker What do you think of Huawei GT 3 Pro?
Sometimes I think it’s comparing apples and orange for people with some arrhythmias (I am old enough that I get PVC here and there and probably worsen during exercise but generally benign), you can have ekg showing 120 and pulse rate of 60 and both can be accurate if you see the pleth on the arterial line monitor that half of the contraction didn’t generate a pulse (consider a bigeminy pvc). I wish they just call them pulse rate instead of heart rate if that’s all they can pick up.
@@MarcoPolo82
It's a very good watch with so accurate sensors.
What software do you use to compare the data collected by different devices?
That's the DC Rainmaker analyzer tool that anyone can use - it's fantastic! www.dcrainmaker.com/analyzer
@@DesFit Thank you! I've always wondered what that was!
My Apple Watch Ultra stops measuring all the time. I applied my warranty and got a replacement. Same issue still persist.
The same happens to me! I thought it could be because of the big size watch, and tried the series 8 41mm, and the same happend! Then bought a fenix 7 pro, and the watch is P E R F E C T
Yes i think im going back to garmin too.
So, at the end go the day, they are both good enough for most people most of the time.
Question for anyone who can possibly provide some insight. Why does the Tactix 7 line have the gen4 senor, but the Fenix 7 line has the gen5? I know there's not a huge difference, but I would have thought at its price it would have the newest sensor.
It’s just the Fenix 7 Pro which has the gen 5 sensor, the original Fenix 7 lineup has the same sensor as the Tactix 7. The gen 5 sensor wasn’t released yet when the Tactix 7 lineup came out last year.
Is the new sensor of the Epix Pro so much better as the one from the Epix Gen 2?
I find there to be a notable difference
@@DesFit Thanks for all of your replies concerning all that kind of topics. One question: If you can choose only one watch - what watch would you choose? Garmin or Apple?
Using the garmin, do you have to put in a weight workout with sets,etc… in order for the watch to record the heart rate, etc?
Nope, you can either use "Free" or can count sets/reps with the Strength activity profile and it will record HR.
@@DesFit so selecting free is similar to the Apple Watch weight workout?
Yup
@@DesFit thank you sir!
I tried the AWU for a short period of time. I experienced several drops in HR while running, and I was wearing it pretty snug on my wrist. Ultimately had to go with Garmin because it would always read my HR.
Have you ever experienced this during your testing?
Thanks for the vid!
I've found the same thing--absolutely unusable for sports HR for me. Same band as Des uses in the video. I find the AWU doesn't sit as snugly on my wrist vs Garmin--doesn't matter how tight it is.
Wow. I ve experienced the same thing. Dont know why but Garmin epix/forerunner 965 are far better in HR reading departament. Ultra is big and heavy, defienetly not nice everyday watch. Love how light with big screen is forerunner 965.
Strange I've never had this issue with my ultra. I wear both Garmin and Apple.
Note that you shouldn't wear it too snuggly. It should fit in a way it simply doesn't feel too tight or too loose.
However the issue you're describing has forever been with the Apple Watch. I've had a Series 2 first, then a Series 4 and now I own the Series 7. All had that issue. There is no solving it. They only thing you can do which does help is to pause the workout when the heart rate doesn't show, open the heart rate measurement app and let it measure your HR, then go back to the workout app and resume the workout. That should solve it.
It's very very strange indeed because the Apple Watch only gets heart rate readings from the same source, there aren't multiple sources (unless you hold the digital crown but that's something else) and so the HR measurement info that comes into the workout app is the same as from the HR app so why it works in one app and not the other is a mystery. But that's how it is... seems to be software and Apple has never fixed it.
This video made me realize how big the AWU is.
Does the Apple Watch not use the ekg sensor?
It has an ECG function but it’s not utilized for workout tracking support.apple.com/en-us/HT208955
I use the sensors to monitor my medical illness in POTS
I think you have to give it to the Apple Watch if you have an iPhone and a Mac already. Hard to say there was meaningful difference in either data sets etc and the plug and play ability with the Apple Watch is tough to ignore. Also I love Apple Pay on the watch when going for bike rides because I can stop for coffee and not need my phone or wallet. Great video :)
I use Mac and the iPhone and still chose a Fenix over the Apple Watch. I’m not too interested in smart features and the Garmin has just enough for me. And then there is the battery life which is a deal breaker. By the way, Garmin has Garmin Pay too which works just like Apple Pay but the drawback is that not as many banks support it.
@@rabomarc I find with the magnetic charging I just throw it on charge every night with my phone and AirPods and I don’t even ever think about battery life.
@@danmcarthur8077 . You're clearly not serious about fitness. You're more worried about nonsense like magnetic charging instead of the core features of the watches. For those serious about fitness Garmin is the way to go hands down.
@@MrSupernova111 LOL
The pay feature I also love on my Garmin. Yes, Garmin has Garmin pay
Hi !
Personally I just don’t like the ultra for the price and what the Apple Watch offers, yes there’s a features for divers .. but come on .. Appart from that this is just a big battery Apple Watch .. paying a 1000 (in France) for a bigger one ..
I’m sure a 265 could do the work as well ?
By the way, is the 265 and 965 could as accurate as the epix pro ?
This video was very good tho ! Love to see you every time
Saw somewhere, perhaps Instagram, that Joe Rogan had a new Fenix Pro (or Epix Pro...I can't remember...lol) but nonetheless he said since he has tattoos where the sensor sits it wasn't reporting his heart rate. So he bought a strap. Any comments on the sensor and accuracy with tattoos?
Every sensor does have problems with tattoos and this will never go away. It's because of the tattoos.
What about the main one- Resting heart rate/ normal heart rate through out the day....?
There should be virtually no difference between the 2 watches. I wear 2 watches 24/7: Apple Watch Ultra and Garmin Fenix 7X Sapphire Solar. That’s been my experience. But while at rest, the Ultra doesn’t monitor your heart rate continuously. Every 5 minutes or so. The 7X heart rate monitor stays on all of the time, so the measurement is continuous. Yet the numbers when rolled up will be virtually the same.
Also, I do weight training, stationary biking, treadmill, and mini-trampoline workouts. Comparing the two, I found the same as Des: sometimes the Ultra is a little more accurate, sometimes the 7X is a little more accurate. But still, they are very close.
Zane summed it up well! Thanks!
@@DesFit Thank you, Des! I really appreciate your great videos! Keep up the fabulous work! 👍👏💪
@@Zane_Zaminsky Thanks Zane and Des; appreciate the response, glad that the fitness watch community is so positive and healthy :) ( Garmin Forerunner 255 wearer here- i was contemplaying upgrading to the Fenix 7 pro specifically for the Elevate 5 sensor, but I use HRM heartstrap anyway, so decided to stick with the FR for now)
@@Zane_Zaminsky So if the Garmin is measuring more often throughout the day, would you say the calories burned are more accurate? Since the Ultra may not be counting slight elevated heart rates from walking around the house, etc.?
Would people agree aw 45mm would be better than ultra for smaller wrists
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what about swimming????
I never see any comparisons or tests for swimming activity
And what ever happened to using just one question mark?
@@DesFit sorry didn't mean it that way. I genuinely want to know which one is more accurate. I got the swim 2 after watching your review on it and then upgraded to Forerunner 255. They both occasionally lag to register heart rate elevations during lap swimming until I move the sensor around a bit.
So much more useful than the quantified scientis who tries to claim Apple watches have nearly perfect heart rate sensors.
by doing the exact same exercises?
Garmin looks sooo much tougher
What heart rate chest monitor are you using?
Either a Polar h10 or Garmin HRM Pro
My Ultra is so terrible when running it's unusable. It straight up goes to 160+ hbpm doesn't matter what speed I run.
Very disappointed. But when stationary they work fine.
Mine has worked great
AWU is no way near Garmin's metrics and Garmin's suggested interpretation of them. The AWU just gives data. Instead of AWU attempting to catch up on its quest to re-invent the Garmin wheel, it would be better off allowing the Garmin Connect app to operate on it. This would be a major game changer.
In my experience, despite having AWU I can't leave my Iphone at home at home. when out on a bike ride. If I have a roadside event that I need to Uber it home I still need my Iphone for that because the Uber app on AWU doesn't work. I can't message anyone either as the Messenger app doesn't work on AWU.
My Garmin edge head unit doesn't work on AWU. Post ride you can't review your ride/run efforts on AWU.
Aside from these beefs the AWU is a great watch. If it could sort out these beefs to allow me to leave to truly leave the phone at home it would shave off considerable weight having to be carted around. That's gotta be good for everyone's heart rate.
Messenger was actually removed by Facebook.
Thanks, yes I know. It's very frustrating nonetheless@@kojie333
Apple NEEDS to make a round traditional watch. The rectangle shape is beyond old and worn out.
Apple "cheats" with their algorithm they've got better coders
$800 down the drain. 😢
Cuál es la conclusión, " en español? ". Es que no entiendo inglés y no tengo tiempo de verlo todo traducido 😅. Saludos y gracias por el vídeo.
Conclusion: Ambos son muy buenos, pero los resultados dependen de la actividad en que usas el reloj. O sea...ni uno ni el otro ;-)
gracias por la traducción, @@ralphdeherdt42 👍