An omnipotent being can do all things, no matter what it is. It can be anything. They could create a rock that can and can't be lifted at the same time. We can't comprehend omnipotence because it can do anything it wants, literally.
The show actually implies that God can not be omnipotent unless it's part of the system it created and follows the same laws as its creation. Why is so? If God's omnipotent then it can judge itself as well but to do that it must include itself into the system it created. If that's all true then WE CAN COMPREHEND GOD by using the same Universal logic it created and uses.
In simple terms yes, but only in the form of elitist filth that herds us like sheep. Otherwise, the answer is either that the being who planted the seed and left is *our God* or that *our God* exists on another plane entirely. Both answers face an issue once you realize that the *"true God"* was inevitably created by another and that the question cannot be answered. Eventually one has no choice but to conclude that the *"true God"* is a collective. If one of noteworthy intellect looks into the matter further, they may obtain a mindset abstract enough to consider the *paradox itself* as the *true God.* A "fractal singularity" that contains and embodies an infinite amount of finites simultaneously including finites from the past, "present" or future including the time theoretically *before* its own inception, becoming omnipresent beyond further description. And to those who wasted a few seconds reading a theoretical answer to an unsolvable question, those seconds are gone now. They are not coming back. I think. Don't look into that. Please.
and how the hell does the question itself become the paradox???? Wtf type bullshit did you concoct and drink dude i use science heavily in my debates and cant conclude what bullcrap you i just read.
People in the comments complain about the paradox stating that an omnipotent being can go beyond logic. If so: "can an omnipotent being create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it using the logic of this world?" If it can't - or if it can - it'is still not omnipotent. And again: can an omnipotent being create a world where the absence of evil cohexists with free will? If it can, why do evil exists?
An omnipotent being doesn't need to be able to do things which are logically inconsistent. If an omnipotent being is capable of doing all logically consistent things, then there is nothing wrong about calling the being omnipotent.
@@didles123 So the omnipotent being is limited by logical absolutes? Why? Who created logical absolutes? Couldn't the omnipotent being create a world with different logical absolutes where free will can cohexist with the absence of evil?
@@baltoy7460 I didn't say am omnipotent being is necessarily limited by logical absolutes. I'm saying that if it had such limitations, it would still be reasonable to call it omnipotent. What is unreasonable is to demand that an omnipotent being be able to do logically inconsistent things and then demand that it be logically consistent. If an omnipotent being must be logically inconsistent, then you don't get to apply logic to it.
@@didles123 Why? If an omnipotent being can't do logical inconsistent things remaining logical consistent, it means it can't do something! I know that's absurde... but that's the point!
@@baltoy7460 I get that it is absurd, but the origin of the absurdity is not innate to the notion of omnipotence itself. For example, even if an omnipotent being is capable of logically inconsistent things, this is not in and of itself absurd. What is absurd is the guy who is applying logic to this being.
However, this ultimately means that everything can transcend itself and it nullifies all precious systems, meaning that the psychopass system is nullified the second someone realizes they're everything and nothing and just is, the same as the flower lecture by the Buddha.
Good news, all the same idiot to the degree that your own fuck up nullifies the karmic echos, meaning we all get off Scott free but get fucked up in the process.
I was beat up, now I'm the me that beats people up, I don't want to beat people up anymore, I am a good person for not wanting to beat people up, I'm better for having done this, everyone got beat up so it doesn't matter. I am everyone beating up everyone. Circuit completed, still here, I guess I'll literally just be sort of commanded from fuck off everything and make the mechanical calculator of destiny go BRRRRRRR.
Oh also nobody will stop these cycles and aren't aware of them so what happens literally just fucking happens and my attributions to why are my own life caught up in being the small part of an experience god is having to which nullifies any importance that would mean significance from a higher perspective.
another solution to the paradox, is if the perfect being created both a rock that cannot be lifted and a rock that can simultaneously, this way both can be done by said being
that would mean he still could not carry the rock he created first or second depending which came first. which would still make this being not almighty.
Thot Slayer the solution made in said video is the same as mine, its not necessarily perfect, for 3rd dimension beings can never find the answer, but it does offer a solution, for like what I said both actions can be performed thus make the being capable, yet the flaw remains for logic destroys both my claim and the video's claim
You are a human, and until facts are shown you are still a human who must abide by the logic of humans. and because of that theories cannot be accepted until proven correctly, specifically those outside humans standards, it is true, they cannot abide by our logic but they must also prove to us that they have somekind of logic. Theories at time do end up as facts. But to question something with even more theories will only lead to more questions. One must question a theory with fact and certainty if that person wants to end that said theory.
Thot Slayer and as a human u prove to know nothing either, u cant judge me because u don't and will never know me, there are things that u shall never know, like a rock can never know the universe, goodbye forever
Omnipotence is probably a false idea humans created to describe God(s) if they/it exists. Why would a being of unimaginable power necessarily play by our rules? Also, does anyone find it really hard to think when Akane is almost completely naked and you already have a huge crush on women with her features?
We can't judge a bein such as God due to the fact that he is way beyond our understanding and logic, you see, considering that he created time, space and matter, the laws of our logic do not apply to the very bein that created it from the first place.
How's that a dodge? You're asking me to explain to you how an all knowing omnipotent being operates. If he's the creator then he should look nothing alike he's creation.
The entire question is a joke to begin with. Heaviness and lightness apply to our realities, how can we even infer that heaviness even applies to God? In response to such a question I would ask, can god create something so light it cannot be held? Would these standards even apply to God? If it did I would not think he's omnipotent if the very laws he created are the same laws that bind him.
It's a matter of logic. Omnipotence indicates you can do anything, period. Even if heaviness doens't apply normaly to the divinity, if he is omnipotent he should be able to make it apply to himself. Saying that "it doens't affect him" is just evading the question. It's what omnipotence is all about: If you want to do something, you do. And that's where the paradox comes in: If you can put a limit on you that even you can't surpass, you're not omnipotent, as you have a limit. If you can surpass what you imposed to yourself, you're not omnipotent either because you're unable to limit yourself - and that's something you can't do. Therefore, Paradox always arrive for "true" omnipotence, if you don't want a paradox, you have to accept "logical" omnipotence: you can do anything.... As long as that doens't make you unable to do something else.
That doesn't make sense... and I will explain why. Heaviness is a concept which arose from our perceptible world that exists in time and space, it is hence the result of causality that occurs to the understanding mind through various causes. Our minds can only make sense of things through perception and nothing else, the proof of this is your imagination, for example, if I told you to imagine something that's never been imagined before, you would perhaps imagine something along the lines of an octopus with an alligators feet, the wings of a pelican and the body of a rock, now this isn't something new that you imagined, but all of these things you've derived from the perceptible world and combined. So going by this, how can our minds conceptualize the infinite which is god as to what it can and cannot do? in the 19th century 4 mathematicians tried to find the answer to infinity 2 of them went insane the other 2 committed suicide, Galileo also tried to penetrate the infinite but realized the attempt was futile and gave it up and advised others to do so as well. So this begs the question, how can you with your limited mind that only understands through cause and effects which are also limitations can possibly question the infinite?
@@TheCrappyZipper the paradox proves nothing except the limitations of language and imagination. 1. Omnipotence is having power over all things. 2. Failing to lift a rock is not an action in itself, but an inability to perform an action (limitation). 3. Your inability to conceive something has no bearing over that thing's existence.
Professor Saiga is my favorite character hands down. Such a pleasure to have conversations with such intelligent person about hard concepts.
lol u read the comments just to figure out that everyone is a philosopher
"Category: Comedy" LOL
It is precisely because he is omnipotent that for Him some things are impossible.
Augustine of Hippo, City of God
The only thing I can say is... "The human brain cannot simply comprehend infinity" ... you'll die if you took it seriously
Omnipotent being is omnipresent,omniscience,omnibenevolence
The being becomes the rock
An omnipotent being can do all things, no matter what it is. It can be anything. They could create a rock that can and can't be lifted at the same time. We can't comprehend omnipotence because it can do anything it wants, literally.
Omnipotence is a human word, it's imposible to coprehend because it's a nonsense created by ourselves.
The show actually implies that God can not be omnipotent unless it's part of the system it created and follows the same laws as its creation. Why is so? If God's omnipotent then it can judge itself as well but to do that it must include itself into the system it created. If that's all true then WE CAN COMPREHEND GOD by using the same Universal logic it created and uses.
In simple terms yes, but only in the form of elitist filth that herds us like sheep. Otherwise, the answer is either that the being who planted the seed and left is *our God* or that *our God* exists on another plane entirely. Both answers face an issue once you realize that the *"true God"* was inevitably created by another and that the question cannot be answered. Eventually one has no choice but to conclude that the *"true God"* is a collective. If one of noteworthy intellect looks into the matter further, they may obtain a mindset abstract enough to consider the *paradox itself* as the *true God.* A "fractal singularity" that contains and embodies an infinite amount of finites simultaneously including finites from the past, "present" or future including the time theoretically *before* its own inception, becoming omnipresent beyond further description.
And to those who wasted a few seconds reading a theoretical answer to an unsolvable question, those seconds are gone now. They are not coming back. I think. Don't look into that. Please.
There's no such thing as a "fractal singularity" -_-, do you mean a "singularity spectrum"?
and how the hell does the question itself become the paradox???? Wtf type bullshit did you concoct and drink dude i use science heavily in my debates and cant conclude what bullcrap you i just read.
People in the comments complain about the paradox stating that an omnipotent being can go beyond logic. If so: "can an omnipotent being create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it using the logic of this world?" If it can't - or if it can - it'is still not omnipotent.
And again: can an omnipotent being create a world where the absence of evil cohexists with free will? If it can, why do evil exists?
An omnipotent being doesn't need to be able to do things which are logically inconsistent. If an omnipotent being is capable of doing all logically consistent things, then there is nothing wrong about calling the being omnipotent.
@@didles123 So the omnipotent being is limited by logical absolutes? Why? Who created logical absolutes? Couldn't the omnipotent being create a world with different logical absolutes where free will can cohexist with the absence of evil?
@@baltoy7460 I didn't say am omnipotent being is necessarily limited by logical absolutes. I'm saying that if it had such limitations, it would still be reasonable to call it omnipotent.
What is unreasonable is to demand that an omnipotent being be able to do logically inconsistent things and then demand that it be logically consistent. If an omnipotent being must be logically inconsistent, then you don't get to apply logic to it.
@@didles123 Why? If an omnipotent being can't do logical inconsistent things remaining logical consistent, it means it can't do something! I know that's absurde... but that's the point!
@@baltoy7460 I get that it is absurd, but the origin of the absurdity is not innate to the notion of omnipotence itself.
For example, even if an omnipotent being is capable of logically inconsistent things, this is not in and of itself absurd. What is absurd is the guy who is applying logic to this being.
God can't help but be itself. That's its weakness.
However, this ultimately means that everything can transcend itself and it nullifies all precious systems, meaning that the psychopass system is nullified the second someone realizes they're everything and nothing and just is, the same as the flower lecture by the Buddha.
Good news, all the same idiot to the degree that your own fuck up nullifies the karmic echos, meaning we all get off Scott free but get fucked up in the process.
I was beat up, now I'm the me that beats people up, I don't want to beat people up anymore, I am a good person for not wanting to beat people up, I'm better for having done this, everyone got beat up so it doesn't matter. I am everyone beating up everyone. Circuit completed, still here, I guess I'll literally just be sort of commanded from fuck off everything and make the mechanical calculator of destiny go BRRRRRRR.
Oh also nobody will stop these cycles and aren't aware of them so what happens literally just fucking happens and my attributions to why are my own life caught up in being the small part of an experience god is having to which nullifies any importance that would mean significance from a higher perspective.
@@wonkyfugMahaparinirvana: Zero
another solution to the paradox, is if the perfect being created both a rock that cannot be lifted and a rock that can simultaneously, this way both can be done by said being
that would mean he still could not carry the rock he created first or second depending which came first. which would still make this being
not almighty.
Thot Slayer the solution made in said video is the same as mine, its not necessarily perfect, for 3rd dimension beings can never find the answer, but it does offer a solution, for like what I said both actions can be performed thus make the being capable, yet the flaw remains for logic destroys both my claim and the video's claim
You are a human, and until facts are shown you are still a human who must abide by the logic of humans. and because of that theories cannot be accepted until proven correctly, specifically those outside humans standards, it is true, they cannot abide by our logic but they must also prove to us that they have somekind of logic. Theories at time do end up as facts. But to question something with even more theories will only lead to more questions. One must question a theory with fact and certainty if that person wants to end that said theory.
Thot Slayer and as a human u prove to know nothing either, u cant judge me because u don't and will never know me, there are things that u shall never know, like a rock can never know the universe, goodbye forever
An omnipotent being can do all things no matter what it is. They could create a rock that can be lifted and can't be lifted at the exact same time.
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Omnipotence is probably a false idea humans created to describe God(s) if they/it exists. Why would a being of unimaginable power necessarily play by our rules?
Also, does anyone find it really hard to think when Akane is almost completely naked and you already have a huge crush on women with her features?
I like how you topic shifted your first comment. Lmao
omnipotent in it self is not logical therefore we can not confin it within the bound of logic
phuc thinh nguyen Exactly
What's illogical about it
@@sunwukong32 that its capable of anything and everything.
How is that illogical?
Exactly.
Anyone who knows the OST's name in this?
WHATS THE SOLUTION??? RAWLLY
We can't judge a bein such as God due to the fact that he is way beyond our understanding and logic, you see, considering that he created time, space and matter, the laws of our logic do not apply to the very bein that created it from the first place.
omar krekeshTV ah yes, well that's a convenient dodge to valid questions
How's that a dodge?
You're asking me to explain to you how an all knowing omnipotent being operates.
If he's the creator then he should look nothing alike he's creation.
omar krekeshTV it just sounds like you're saying "Well it doesn't make sense, so it shouldn't have to!" Not very convincing
Alright, let me ask you this then.
Do you think that if there was a god, then he could be beyond our mental capacity?
And if not then why?
omar krekeshTV what does that mean "beyond our mental capacity"? Like we can't even think that shit up?
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I remember dis just being too confusing (for me anyway😅)
this was the worst scene in the series, they tried to make something profound but with no basis, and completely forgot about logic
The entire question is a joke to begin with. Heaviness and lightness apply to our realities, how can we even infer that heaviness even applies to God? In response to such a question I would ask, can god create something so light it cannot be held? Would these standards even apply to God? If it did I would not think he's omnipotent if the very laws he created are the same laws that bind him.
It's a matter of logic. Omnipotence indicates you can do anything, period. Even if heaviness doens't apply normaly to the divinity, if he is omnipotent he should be able to make it apply to himself. Saying that "it doens't affect him" is just evading the question. It's what omnipotence is all about: If you want to do something, you do. And that's where the paradox comes in: If you can put a limit on you that even you can't surpass, you're not omnipotent, as you have a limit. If you can surpass what you imposed to yourself, you're not omnipotent either because you're unable to limit yourself - and that's something you can't do. Therefore, Paradox always arrive for "true" omnipotence, if you don't want a paradox, you have to accept "logical" omnipotence: you can do anything.... As long as that doens't make you unable to do something else.
That doesn't make sense... and I will explain why. Heaviness is a concept which arose from our perceptible world that exists in time and space, it is hence the result of causality that occurs to the understanding mind through various causes.
Our minds can only make sense of things through perception and nothing else, the proof of this is your imagination, for example, if I told you to imagine something that's never been imagined before, you would perhaps imagine something along the lines of an octopus with an alligators feet, the wings of a pelican and the body of a rock, now this isn't something new that you imagined, but all of these things you've derived from the perceptible world and combined.
So going by this, how can our minds conceptualize the infinite which is god as to what it can and cannot do? in the 19th century 4 mathematicians tried to find the answer to infinity 2 of them went insane the other 2 committed suicide, Galileo also tried to penetrate the infinite but realized the attempt was futile and gave it up and advised others to do so as well.
So this begs the question, how can you with your limited mind that only understands through cause and effects which are also limitations can possibly question the infinite?
TheLandOfTears s all this paradox proves is there is no omnipotent being. It's simple guys.... Chill
@@TheCrappyZipper the paradox proves nothing except the limitations of language and imagination.
1. Omnipotence is having power over all things.
2. Failing to lift a rock is not an action in itself, but an inability to perform an action (limitation).
3. Your inability to conceive something has no bearing over that thing's existence.
The dub is better
i fucking hate having to read subtitles
Terry Crews learn a New language then
I also hate having to learn a new language
then stop complaining? :v
Erick Flores López I'm sorry dave, I can't do that