Cool, let's use that "sovereignty" to force British overseas territories that are responsible for tax avoidance to stop incorporating shell companies and show ultimate beneficial owners. I'm sure their tune will change completely.
@@shinkansenshinkansend8316 Yes. Stop shady donations, investigate shell companies and tax them appropriately. My principals aren't affected by party affiliation.
@@calenwatters5267 The problem is, if you impose punitive taxation on those companies, they'll just relocate elsewhere, to an area with a preferential tax system. The other issue is that Labour have just spent 14 years criticising exactly this sort of thing, whilst doing it themselves.
Everyone who has been paying attention to the news in the last 5 years knows these islands. Highly amusing that you pass your ignorance off onto others thinking they know as little as yourself
And you are celebrating the fact that our once great empire has diminished and is diminishing further because of Labours treacherous decision in giving up British overseas territoriy? 😡 I don’t think any politician that holds dual citizenship should be foreign secretary. David Lammy is far too interested in pleasing foreign countries and the UN than in the best interests of our own country. He should be locked up for treason!
It is disgusting to see the Tories acting this righteous as if they hadn't already planned on ceding the sovereignty of the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.
I'm old enough to remember when the last government argued that Chagos was completely seperate and distinct from the UK to avoid being held accountable for the mistreatment of Tamil refugees there. In fact they argued that is was so far legally and sovereignty distinct from the UK, that the UK membership of the Refugee Convention couldn't be applied. Ergo, the refugees had no legal rights because Chagos/BIOT were not signatories. Now members of that same government just a few months later are arguing that it is very much sovereign UK territory. Not distinct and seperate from the UK at all. Oh dear!
Apart from completely denying the reality of who initiated and negotiated this deal. The UK has handed back 24km2 whilst maintaining 26km2 for the next 100 years along with the US. The land handed back is the equivalent to 6% of the Isle of Wight. Poor old Tories & especially Mark Francois - still trying to seem relevant.
It's 10% of the UK 's exclusive economic area. I guess Lefties forgot the sea exists around land. Hard to remember because the UK is landlocked.. oh wait
Wasn't ours to 'own' in first place and let's' not forget this is a conclusion of talks initiated by the Conservatives and it was the 'British' people that expelled the chagossians in the first place
Yeah so the common sense option would be to restore the rights of chagosians to live there. Not hand the island to a random country, would you hand the Falklands to Argentina, because this is essentially the same thing.
We argue that the recent agreement between the UK and Mauritius perpetuates colonial injustices, undermining the sovereignty and self-determination of the Maldivian people. Here are some key points raised in this analysis: Colonial Legacy and Continued Injustices: 1. Separation of Chagos: We argue that the 1834 British survey was a precursor to the eventual separation of the Chagos Archipelago from the Maldives. This separation, we contend, was a colonial act that continues to have negative consequences for the Maldivian people. 2. Mauritius as a Neocolonial State: We view Mauritius as a neocolonial state created by the British. We suggest that its claim to the Chagos Archipelago is based on colonial-era divisions and therefore perpetuates historical injustices. 3. True Decolonization: We argue that true decolonization requires the restoration of the Chagos Archipelago to its pre-colonial status as part of the Maldivian territory. Indigenous Rights and Cultural Appropriation: 1. Indigenous Maldivian Population: We emphasize that the Maldivian people are one of the longest-surviving indigenous populations with a rich cultural heritage. 2. French Colonial Impact: We highlight the French colonial legacy, particularly the forced settlement of enslaved laborers, as an act of cultural appropriation. 3. Prioritizing Indigenous Rights: We argue that the rights of the indigenous Maldivian people should be prioritized over the claims of colonial settlers. This analysis offers a critical perspective on the historical and contemporary issues surrounding the Maldives and the Chagos Archipelago. It raises important questions about the nature of decolonization, sovereignty, and indigenous rights. Different stakeholders, including the UK, Mauritius, and the colonial settlers-community, having their own claims and interests, can engage in constructive dialogue and seeking peaceful solutions. To gain a deeper understanding of this issue, it is crucial to consider various viewpoints and historical evidence. Engaging in constructive dialogue and seeking peaceful solutions is essential to address the legacy of colonialism and work towards a just and equitable future for all involved. #MaldivianVoice4Chagos
The TORIES wanted to hand back the islands and retain the military base. Labour has done exactly what the Tories wanted. So the Tories can't now turn around and cry about a treaty they formed the terms and conditions for. Shame on the Tories!
Except they decided they didn't want to go through with it and scrapped the idea. Now Labour have come along and picked up the scrunched paper and put the bad plan into effect. So Labour bare zero blame? Tories originally wanted to, sure, but they didn't actually do it did they. Take responsibility
Britannia still rules the waves, the implication being our navy is one of the strongest in the world, only really second to the US. Secondly the 14 now 13 British Overseas Territories we have today are not colonies, hence why they are not called so, they have their own legislature and elected officials. Britains position with them is mainly to defend, represent on the world stage and receive minor remuneration for these services.
@@theomnipotent9198exactly this. The US, UK and Japan are the three most serious naval forces on the planet and are responsible for providing the safety and security of international trade. 9the Americans do the heavy lifting) It may not be nice that the people of 1 of the chagos islands (Diego Garcia) had to be displaced to allow for a naval and air base to be placed in the Indian Ocean, but it’s a reality that geography matters when it comes to international defence and trade, and the peace and prosperity that comes from that. I don’t think the consequences of this decision will be fully realised for a long time, but when they are realised it may turn out to be one of the worst decisions taken in terms of protecting global trade and the peace that comes from it.
What utter hyperbolic bull sit you speak 😂 let’s hand back the islands that never belonged to Mauritius who will now loan It to China 😂😂 ever heard of real politiks ??
They talk about human rights abuses but made a deal with Rwanda😅 They talk about the rights of the people of Gibraltar but ignored the 98% who voted against Brexit.😅 They talk about colonies and human rights and yet they were the architects of Windrush.😅 They talk about bad deals yet their own Brexit negotiater Lord Frost, walked away from his own deal with the EU😅 The UK never respected the Sovereignty of other countries when it colonised them😅 Total and utter hypocrisy and faux outrage.
How many actual colonisers are actually in Parliament today? Why should legitimate complaints from UK citizens be overlooked because a tiny minority of rich aristocrats colonised other countries long ago? People forget that during the reign of the Empire, the overwhelming majority of British citizens lived in extreme poverty.
He should have also addressed Nigel's lie that it's a foreign court, when it's an international one that we subscribe to as part of our diplomatic policy. If we disobey the legal order we're no better than Russia or Israel.
@jimcobain4381 It's an international court that the UK decided to join. The UK has almost always had a judge representing it on the court. Foreign courts are courts that the UK is not a part of.
It's 1300 miles away from Mauritius. And when we got it, it was uninhabited. Losing it puts us at serious risk. The people that live there don't want it. They are protected by British armed forces. Now, they are all scared to death.
@@limpethead No it doesn’t and no one with the slightest clue if the real world knows this, why were the previous government involved in these negotiations then?
It is very much not 'Simples' I'm afraid. The rightful people are the Chagossians (who lived there, were dispossessed and are not Mauritian). Mauritius' claim, legally speaking, is by dint of it formerly being run by the same colonial office. The Chagossians reaction has been widely negative to this deal and Mauritius' treatment of them; how is it the 'right thing to do' to reinforce colonial era borders against the wishes of a displaced population?
@limpethead plenty have pointed it out already and so did the home secretary. The plan was actually a Tory proposal. And yet, the ones that are shouting are the Tories.
@@limpethead No, Lammy gave a number of arguments if you listen, the black hole was a small contemptuous one after industrial scale hypocrisy from a series of Tory and RefUK Brexiters who thought nothing of giving Northern Ireland and Gibraltar to the EU.
@davidmullens2464 we are still waiting to see what this black hole exactly is. And they don't want to talk about it. And since everyone in the party is a liar it's not worth waiting for.
CHAGOS ISLANDS: In 2019, Mauritius won a major victory against Britain when the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague ruled that the Chagos Islands should be handed over to Mauritius in order to complete its "decolonisation." The United Nations General Assembly then voted to give Britain a six-month deadline to begin that process. Britain is on the edge of finding itself as a pariah state. The fact remains that the previous British Government have only been using the island of Chagos for the purposes of foreign holidays and junkets. It is actually the American’s whom maintain a base on Chagos, something the natives wish to remain as it gives the island nation a strong link to the USA. British Forces British Indian Ocean Territories (BFBIOT): A Permanent Joint Operating Base. Although the Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia and airbase facilities on Diego Garcia are leased to the United States, the UK retains ownership and continual access. The small but permanent British garrison, known as Naval Party 1002, forms the civil administration on this British Overseas Territory.
So..... Argentina can ask back for falklands? Spain could ask back for gibraltar Both of these cases would cause britian to become some "pariah" state?
What an embarrassment the Tories are, all standing up there criticising Labour for a deal the Tory government arranged and started, that has also been signed off and congratulated for by the US. A complete load of nonsense and a non-story as per usual.
@@danny-18922 You're kidding right? That Labour party is dead and gone. Labour used to be full of working class people, from mining communities, steel industries, offices and farms. Now it's full of career politicians.
it was shocking that we claimed this country. The GB literally shipped the population off and dumped them on Mauritius in an appalling act of ethnic cleansing. Absolutely indefensible.
What a ridiculous and propagandistic summary. The islands were purchased from Mauritius once they became independent, so the people living there had no legal right to continue living there. And just so we're clear I don't even think it was over 1000 people on the island, so it's not like tens of thousands of people were uprooted. To call that ethnic cleansing is disgusting and childlike
I'm sure they're briefed on issues of national security and staging posts for military assets etc. You are so naive. I suppose you think soft power will keep the world safe? I guess your approach to governance would be to just shut down Great Britain Plc. and let goddess Gaia reclaim her relm? Labour are serving you well, just not the majority that still cling to common sense!
Because it undermines the moral justification for the deal. Practically giving up sovereignty was not the best option, so to do it it would have be justified as morally addressing the wrongs to the Chagossians. If anything it does the opposite, trading their land to another power
@@bobby9791Labour never caring about morality in the first place and handed off a peoples land with out even talking to them. If something is imperialist, it’s not even speaking to the native population before making decisions.
Who are these people? Apart from farage they are all members of the party that started this process, would they be screaming so loud if Sunak was still PM?
At a time when the Labour government are seeking to cut back payments to pensioners and a whole range of public services and projects to save money, where is the logic in taking on additional and unnecessary expense in the form of now paying rent for something that the UK has built and has fully recognised sovereignty over. The matter should have been deferred and a compromise sought. To say that this matter has been badly handled is understatement.
God, this is perfected... What the hell are we paying for what is already ours and to pay for something that is our is absolutely daft... To be proud of paying for something that is already hours is bloody stupid...
Just shows what a waste of space these MPs are, instead of getting on with the job, they waste their time on lying and attacking each other 🤬 so were they all lying or just didn’t pay attention when the Tories started the negotiations?
This is so gratifying watching these far right mps with a thesaurus except for ids!! .. furious with a black man giving “their” territory away “love it 😂
So it's open to debate in the House AFTER the deal has been done? 🤔 Who the hell gives something away that is theirs and then rents it back? What sort of logic is that? Ooh, free holidays in Mauritius for Labour MPs? They love "Freebies" 😉 £22 billion black hole but they have money for this rent, carbon capture and God knows what else but they want to screw pensioners? Go figure! 🤔
'We saw a previous Labour government sell off this countries gold'. Which was invested in global currencies and has earned this country far more than the value of the gold.
Labour announced when they were selling the gold in 2008…. Therefore the price dropped… and Labour sold gold for dirt. I am an accounting student Labour are full of ideologs and don’t know economics
@@cubbyhoo Brown sold off a percentage of Gold to invest elsewhere. He diversified our investments and he paid off a portion of our national debt, meaning the interest we had to pay back on the remainder was far less. Today, the Tories have left us with record debt and we can't even service the interest on that debt.
What planet are you on? The total sale of the gold bullion sold was $3.5 billion, at $275 per ounce average sale value. It is somewhat ironic that Gordon Brown’s attempts to make as much money as possible from a staggered sale resulted in over $100 million less for the gold compared to when the sale hadn’t been announced, but it’s damning just how much more that gold would have been worth further down the line. Gold was $921 per ounce early in May 2009, which would put the gold sold at $11.8 billion in value - $8.3 billion more than Brown got. The 20-year price rise is worse still, with gold currently at $1,279 per ounce. This would make the gold bullion worth $16.4 billion - $12.9 billion more than was received in 1999. Credit to : Bullion by Post
@@Simonsimon-fy3hq I'm not kidding anyone and what you've stated is correct, in hindsight it certainly wasn't the optimal time to sell. However, Brown wasn't alone, other central banks were also selling gold. Belgium, Canada and the Netherlands had already sold 1,590 tonnes between them since 1990. In 1997 alone, Argentina and Australia sold a combined 290 tonnes. And in April 1999, Switzerland voted in a referendum to sever the Franc's gold backing, effectively approving a plan to sell 1,300 tonnes from its 2,590-tonne hoard. Brown sold around 400 tonnes. Gold was seen as 'yesterday's asset' by some. Like I stated previously Brown used the cash to diversify our investments and not rely on the volatile speculative price of gold and to pay off our national debt. How many billions did that make and save?
Superb and well done David Lammy! Exercised decorum, wit, reasoned argument and intellect. An experienced politican who knows how to deal with right wing waffle.
I know only 20% of registered voters wanted labour, I wonder how many wanted lammy to represent us on the world stage? I imagine it has a few zeros before the decimal point.
@kravan5063 its performative outrage. These people didn't even know it was an overseas territory, but they are waving the flag, pretending to be angry.
@@DanG_98No, that's you just making an assumption and concluding your own assumption. Secondly, even if these people didn't know of the islands until now does not change the fact they are of immense strategic importance to our country and our allies. We are now able to do less and bring less to the table internationally because of this. So please, stop
The Tories were going through the motions to give the impression to the international community they were negotiating and Labour couldn’t wait to do the deal. My only caveat to that is ,I do have doubts if the Tories are that sharp.
jenrick got it the wrong way round. The British people have no interest in this island. Also these MP's also seem to miss the point where we get to keep our military base there and not allow other powers to establish new ones
1:23 what do you mean “our territory” - what’s “our territory” doing all the way there in the Indian Ocean? Our sovereignty? Britain isn’t “sovereign” over Chagos. The people are sovereign, not the government or the Queen. Parliament is only “sovereign” in the sense that it draws that sovereignty from the people that elected it - and given chagosian people don’t get an MP, parliament can’t call itself sovereign over them.
you get all this babbling from our so called politicians and yet nothing seems to be acheived, the party who are govening us just do as they please, reguardless of whats said in parliment.
@@GeoffV-k1h The fact we got them from the French in a legitimate deal, they were originally uninhabited, and to top it off, we purchased the islands from the same colonial office Mauritius is using to make its claim over the islands. Why can Mauritius use a British colonial office as a basis for ownership, but Britain itself can't????
Only to those with a lower score. Lammy got into SOAS - which is no mean achievement - then passed the Bar exams which is a REAL achievement. He was Shadow Justice Secretary and now has become the Foreign Secretary. He's anything but low IQ.
@@moonlit_forest2680 so why didn't they scrap it. They scrapped Rwanda. The truth is, you believe anything they say and do. No matter how stupid it is.
@@limpetheadthe point is that the tories began the process and drew up the deal so they are in no place to complain about what they were going to do being done. If labour wanted to scrap the deal then they would also have been well within their right to like in the case of rwanda.
@@scrapheap339 The tories started it but then stopped. Labour picked it up and continued. They absolutely can complain, they didn't go through with it, Labour did.
...and Tom Tugendhat....so good he's the first to be knocked out of the field of duds desperate to lead a dying Tory party....and Bobby J....a desperate man....only to be followed by pint sized Mark Francois....a man as big as his intellect...ie....not very....!
Lammy was obviously referring to the jibe about Brown's gold sell-off which was worth a fraction of the money wasted by the Cons Govt. It wouldn't have nearly paid for the PPE scandal or, the 'Test and Trace' debacle.
Well done to David Lammy for standing his ground on this despite these Tories misinformation and factual distortions. Ian Duncan Smith really doesn't have a clue. While Mauritius maintains good relationships with all countries, including China, to suggest that Mauritius and China are close allies is incorrect. Mauritius, with a predominantly Indian-origin population and a Hindu majority, has far closer ties to India. The majority of the Mauritian population are Indian in decent, and Mauritius is very closely aligned with India not China. Notably, it is widely known that India and China do not currently have a close relationship. Geographically, Mauritius is approximately 2,000 km from the Chagos Islands, much closer than the UK, which is over 9,000 km away. Historically, in 1968, the British granted Mauritius independence only after coercing the country into ceding the Chagos Islands. Following this, the British forcibly evicted the native Chagossians at gunpoint to Mauritius, many of whom have since lived in poverty-a shameful chapter in British colonial history. The international courts and the United Nations have ruled that Britain's actions were wrong, and while some rulings may not be legally binding, the overwhelming consensus among the majority of the global community is that Mauritius has legitimate sovereignty over the Chagos Islands. This business of using propaganda to justify territorial occupations or military actions based on unfounded claims has to stop. It is time to stop spreading false narratives-Mauritius is both geographically and historically closer to the Chagos Islands than the UK ever has been. Colonisation must be brought to an end.
I’m left wing and yet I agree with all those ‘right-wing’ MP’s. Why are we giving away territory which is ours and the other side has no claim to? With nothing in return - is ridiculous
How did it become ours? UK were ordered to negotiate and the last Government did commence, but I suppose they would never have finished the negotiations. Perfidious Albion.
We won that’s why it’s ours duh that’s how all countries were decided no point changing everything now. Or every group of people everywhere can just decide they deserve their own country but it’s not even becoming its own country it’s just being given to Mauritius even though the people of the Chagos islands don’t want it to be
@@ckjhh I'm not sure your last claim is right except in the minds of a few Mail "journalists" out to create trouble. Mauritius has a very good claim, the Chagos islands having been administered for 150 years by Mauritius.
It's hilarious how every Tory is casually ignoring that their party organised this when they were in government 😂
Why didn't he mention that then?
@CityOfTinyLines I have no idea, it's absolutely true though. Cleverly did the talks in the first place.
the right wing racists who are begging for war and scare mongering people. The double standards of losers torys LOL
@@CityOfTinyLines he did
@@CityOfTinyLinesThe foreign secretary mentioned it several times.
Cool, let's use that "sovereignty" to force British overseas territories that are responsible for tax avoidance to stop incorporating shell companies and show ultimate beneficial owners.
I'm sure their tune will change completely.
the right wing racists who are begging for war and scare mongering people. The double standards of losers torys LOL
What, like the company Labour just accepted £4,000,000 from?
@@shinkansenshinkansend8316
Yes. Stop shady donations, investigate shell companies and tax them appropriately.
My principals aren't affected by party affiliation.
@@calenwatters5267 Well said, Reform would be so pissed of if Labour where closing down tax loop holes and a better grasp on what counts as a bribe.
@@calenwatters5267 The problem is, if you impose punitive taxation on those companies, they'll just relocate elsewhere, to an area with a preferential tax system.
The other issue is that Labour have just spent 14 years criticising exactly this sort of thing, whilst doing it themselves.
Did the tories forget they actually drew up the terms of handing those islands back
They didn't. They just ignored it.
@@limpetheadNo they did! Chagos would have been handed away even if Sunak was still PM
@@moonlit_forest2680 handed to who? Mauritius has never had it.
@@limpethead To the original inhabitants who were expelled to make room for a US base, maybe?
They did not. Cameron shelved the plans.
Has he apologised to the Speaker for lying about his office? These idiots are bonkers. Bet they had no idea where the island was.
Everyone who has been paying attention to the news in the last 5 years knows these islands. Highly amusing that you pass your ignorance off onto others thinking they know as little as yourself
Some of them think we still have an empire 😂😂😂😂😂😂
And you are celebrating the fact that our once great empire has diminished and is diminishing further because of Labours treacherous decision in giving up British overseas territoriy? 😡 I don’t think any politician that holds dual citizenship should be foreign secretary. David Lammy is far too interested in pleasing foreign countries and the UN than in the best interests of our own country. He should be locked up for treason!
What does me we are paying them as well...!! You couldn't make it up.....
We still do
That empire, helps keep you alive.
the right wing racists who are begging for war and scare mongering people. The double standards of losers torys LOL
It is disgusting to see the Tories acting this righteous as if they hadn't already planned on ceding the sovereignty of the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.
What's disgusting is the Liebour traitors
Labour can always put a halt to it!
Didn't appear the tories had any intent to hand over the island.
@@dg-wb4xg Tory traitors more like, they rob their own citizens and sell all our assets to foreigners then pocket the proceeds. Scum traitors.
So why didn’t they again??
I'm old enough to remember when the last government argued that Chagos was completely seperate and distinct from the UK to avoid being held accountable for the mistreatment of Tamil refugees there. In fact they argued that is was so far legally and sovereignty distinct from the UK, that the UK membership of the Refugee Convention couldn't be applied. Ergo, the refugees had no legal rights because Chagos/BIOT were not signatories.
Now members of that same government just a few months later are arguing that it is very much sovereign UK territory. Not distinct and seperate from the UK at all.
Oh dear!
Well said.
Cons playing politics as per usual.
Reform isn't Conservative, they just happened to be on the same side of the bench because they are opposition you wolly.
Apart from completely denying the reality of who initiated and negotiated this deal. The UK has handed back 24km2 whilst maintaining 26km2 for the next 100 years along with the US.
The land handed back is the equivalent to 6% of the Isle of Wight.
Poor old Tories & especially Mark Francois - still trying to seem relevant.
That's all irrelevant, what is relevant is, what is the cost to the already ripped off tax payers!
It's 10% of the UK 's exclusive economic area. I guess Lefties forgot the sea exists around land. Hard to remember because the UK is landlocked.. oh wait
Wasn't ours to 'own' in first place and let's' not forget this is a conclusion of talks initiated by the Conservatives and it was the 'British' people that expelled the chagossians in the first place
Spot on!
Exactly, spot on.
It's never been for Mauritius to own either, they've never owned it. It's just as ridiculous as giving the island to India
£22 billion black hole, yet just announced £22billion for carbon capture which is a waste of money
Yeah so the common sense option would be to restore the rights of chagosians to live there.
Not hand the island to a random country, would you hand the Falklands to Argentina, because this is essentially the same thing.
We argue that the recent agreement between the UK and Mauritius perpetuates colonial injustices, undermining the sovereignty and self-determination of the Maldivian people.
Here are some key points raised in this analysis:
Colonial Legacy and Continued Injustices:
1. Separation of Chagos: We argue that the 1834 British survey was a precursor to the eventual separation of the Chagos Archipelago from the Maldives. This separation, we contend, was a colonial act that continues to have negative consequences for the Maldivian people.
2. Mauritius as a Neocolonial State: We view Mauritius as a neocolonial state created by the British. We suggest that its claim to the Chagos Archipelago is based on colonial-era divisions and therefore perpetuates historical injustices.
3. True Decolonization: We argue that true decolonization requires the restoration of the Chagos Archipelago to its pre-colonial status as part of the Maldivian territory.
Indigenous Rights and Cultural Appropriation:
1. Indigenous Maldivian Population: We emphasize that the Maldivian people are one of the longest-surviving indigenous populations with a rich cultural heritage.
2. French Colonial Impact: We highlight the French colonial legacy, particularly the forced settlement of enslaved laborers, as an act of cultural appropriation.
3. Prioritizing Indigenous Rights: We argue that the rights of the indigenous Maldivian people should be prioritized over the claims of colonial settlers.
This analysis offers a critical perspective on the historical and contemporary issues surrounding the Maldives and the Chagos Archipelago. It raises important questions about the nature of decolonization, sovereignty, and indigenous rights.
Different stakeholders, including the UK, Mauritius, and the colonial settlers-community, having their own claims and interests, can engage in constructive dialogue and seeking peaceful solutions.
To gain a deeper understanding of this issue, it is crucial to consider various viewpoints and historical evidence. Engaging in constructive dialogue and seeking peaceful solutions is essential to address the legacy of colonialism and work towards a just and equitable future for all involved. #MaldivianVoice4Chagos
The TORIES wanted to hand back the islands and retain the military base. Labour has done exactly what the Tories wanted.
So the Tories can't now turn around and cry about a treaty they formed the terms and conditions for. Shame on the Tories!
Any factual statement about the Conservative Party can safely be followed by 'Shame on the Tories!' 🤣
Except they decided they didn't want to go through with it and scrapped the idea.
Now Labour have come along and picked up the scrunched paper and put the bad plan into effect.
So Labour bare zero blame? Tories originally wanted to, sure, but they didn't actually do it did they.
Take responsibility
@@kravan5063....well that's tough then, isn't it. What are you going to do?? ...cry about it?! 😭😭😭
@@robtyman4281 Literal childlike response
@@kravan5063 ..... well cry some more then! .....
Imagine if they were this pationate about tax dodgers
Earth to the Tory Party: the year is 2024 not 1824. Britannia no longer rules the waves and colonialism no longer works 🙄
They have tried to wave the rules now for a few years.
Britannia still rules the waves, the implication being our navy is one of the strongest in the world, only really second to the US.
Secondly the 14 now 13 British Overseas Territories we have today are not colonies, hence why they are not called so, they have their own legislature and elected officials. Britains position with them is mainly to defend, represent on the world stage and receive minor remuneration for these services.
@@theomnipotent9198exactly this. The US, UK and Japan are the three most serious naval forces on the planet and are responsible for providing the safety and security of international trade. 9the Americans do the heavy lifting) It may not be nice that the people of 1 of the chagos islands (Diego Garcia) had to be displaced to allow for a naval and air base to be placed in the Indian Ocean, but it’s a reality that geography matters when it comes to international defence and trade, and the peace and prosperity that comes from that.
I don’t think the consequences of this decision will be fully realised for a long time, but when they are realised it may turn out to be one of the worst decisions taken in terms of protecting global trade and the peace that comes from it.
cognito it’s beneficial hugely to all the islands (Gibraltar, St Helena, Pitcairn etc) that they are owned by Britain
What utter hyperbolic bull sit you speak 😂 let’s hand back the islands that never belonged to Mauritius who will now loan
It to China 😂😂 ever heard of real politiks ??
They talk about human rights abuses but made a deal with Rwanda😅
They talk about the rights of the people of Gibraltar but ignored the 98% who voted against Brexit.😅
They talk about colonies and human rights and yet they were the architects of Windrush.😅
They talk about bad deals yet their own Brexit negotiater Lord Frost, walked away from his own deal with the EU😅
The UK never respected the Sovereignty of other countries when it colonised them😅
Total and utter hypocrisy and faux outrage.
Pure Gold.
Well said
Yeah, well said mate
How many actual colonisers are actually in Parliament today?
Why should legitimate complaints from UK citizens be overlooked because a tiny minority of rich aristocrats colonised other countries long ago?
People forget that during the reign of the Empire, the overwhelming majority of British citizens lived in extreme poverty.
98% who voted against Brexit? You mean 48%
Imagine paying these actors 100s of thousands a year for this Punch and Judy show. Nige is laughing all the way to his offshore bank.
He should have also addressed Nigel's lie that it's a foreign court, when it's an international one that we subscribe to as part of our diplomatic policy.
If we disobey the legal order we're no better than Russia or Israel.
Hilariously ridiculous comment
@@kravan5063 Hush now Kravan you silly bot
If it’s not a British court and it’s also not a foreign court, what is it then?
If it’s not a British court… then it’s foreign
@jimcobain4381 It's an international court that the UK decided to join. The UK has almost always had a judge representing it on the court. Foreign courts are courts that the UK is not a part of.
The ICJ has already ruled we need to give it back to the rightful people. Simples. And the right thing to do.
It's 1300 miles away from Mauritius. And when we got it, it was uninhabited. Losing it puts us at serious risk. The people that live there don't want it. They are protected by British armed forces. Now, they are all scared to death.
@@limpetheadThe people who live there are exclusively British and American military personnel
@@limpethead No it doesn’t and no one with the slightest clue if the real world knows this, why were the previous government involved in these negotiations then?
It is very much not 'Simples' I'm afraid. The rightful people are the Chagossians (who lived there, were dispossessed and are not Mauritian). Mauritius' claim, legally speaking, is by dint of it formerly being run by the same colonial office. The Chagossians reaction has been widely negative to this deal and Mauritius' treatment of them; how is it the 'right thing to do' to reinforce colonial era borders against the wishes of a displaced population?
@@PJH13 wave goodbye to the protected nature reserve around the island. Say hello to Chinese trawlers.
What does our black hole have to do with the poor Chagosians?
That was WEIRD!
Nothing. He's so inept, it's all he could think of. That's how tragic Labour are.
@limpethead plenty have pointed it out already and so did the home secretary. The plan was actually a Tory proposal. And yet, the ones that are shouting are the Tories.
@@limpethead😂
@@limpethead No, Lammy gave a number of arguments if you listen, the black hole was a small contemptuous one after industrial scale hypocrisy from a series of Tory and RefUK Brexiters who thought nothing of giving Northern Ireland and Gibraltar to the EU.
@davidmullens2464 we are still waiting to see what this black hole exactly is. And they don't want to talk about it. And since everyone in the party is a liar it's not worth waiting for.
"surrendering our sovereignty" "what would donald trump think of this"
Im sorry farage what is that in the same sentence?
CHAGOS ISLANDS: In 2019, Mauritius won a major victory against Britain when the International Court of Justice (ICJ) in The Hague ruled that the Chagos Islands should be handed over to Mauritius in order to complete its "decolonisation."
The United Nations General Assembly then voted to give Britain a six-month deadline to begin that process.
Britain is on the edge of finding itself as a pariah state.
The fact remains that the previous British Government have only been using the island of Chagos for the purposes of foreign holidays and junkets. It is actually the American’s whom maintain a base on Chagos, something the natives wish to remain as it gives the island nation a strong link to the USA.
British Forces British Indian Ocean Territories (BFBIOT): A Permanent Joint Operating Base. Although the Naval Support Facility Diego Garcia and airbase facilities on Diego Garcia are leased to the United States, the UK retains ownership and continual access. The small but permanent British garrison, known as Naval Party 1002, forms the civil administration on this British Overseas Territory.
What's an International court then
Whatever else is true, Britain clearly was never at risk of becoming a 'pariah state' over the issue of Chagos.
So.....
Argentina can ask back for falklands?
Spain could ask back for gibraltar
Both of these cases would cause britian to become some "pariah" state?
Are the right claiming to care about human rights now?
It was Ted Heath's Tory government that physically removed the Chagoans by force at the request of the Yanks.
Yes how about human rights in Gaza?
@@jitendrajoshi786 Or Rwanda, or the ECHR.
The left loves colonialism as long as it's done by non European powers i.e Mauritius
@@jitendrajoshi786 Terrorists don't have rights
What an embarrassment the Tories are, all standing up there criticising Labour for a deal the Tory government arranged and started, that has also been signed off and congratulated for by the US. A complete load of nonsense and a non-story as per usual.
labour the party of liars and spongers
@@greentroll9326 Labour are the party of the working man or woman. Trade unions and paid holidays came about by Labour!
@@danny-18922 They were the party of the working class. They're now just neolib Tory-lites
So are we admitting that the tories aren't all bad or that Labour are too weak to scrap a tory deal?
@@danny-18922 You're kidding right? That Labour party is dead and gone.
Labour used to be full of working class people, from mining communities, steel industries, offices and farms.
Now it's full of career politicians.
corbyn have to sit near reform mps i feel bad for bro
They are as mad as a box of frogs😂
it was shocking that we claimed this country. The GB literally shipped the population off and dumped them on Mauritius in an appalling act of ethnic cleansing. Absolutely indefensible.
It was called British Values
Spot on!
What a ridiculous and propagandistic summary.
The islands were purchased from Mauritius once they became independent, so the people living there had no legal right to continue living there. And just so we're clear I don't even think it was over 1000 people on the island, so it's not like tens of thousands of people were uprooted.
To call that ethnic cleansing is disgusting and childlike
I doubt any of them actually knew those islands existed before this hit the news.
You don’t have to be clued up on every issue in the world to know something is wrong
I'm sure they're briefed on issues of national security and staging posts for military assets etc. You are so naive. I suppose you think soft power will keep the world safe? I guess your approach to governance would be to just shut down Great Britain Plc. and let goddess Gaia reclaim her relm? Labour are serving you well, just not the majority that still cling to common sense!
Goebbels banging on about 'human rights abuses'...Good God above...
Bobby generic mouthing off
Why are Tories worried about the Chargossians, when Cameron recently said they couldn’t return home.
Because it undermines the moral justification for the deal. Practically giving up sovereignty was not the best option, so to do it it would have be justified as morally addressing the wrongs to the Chagossians. If anything it does the opposite, trading their land to another power
@@PJH13 The Tories feigning morality and empathy for the Chagossians now, when at anytime in the last 14 years they could have let them return.
@@bobby9791Labour never caring about morality in the first place and handed off a peoples land with out even talking to them.
If something is imperialist, it’s not even speaking to the native population before making decisions.
Who are these people? Apart from farage they are all members of the party that started this process, would they be screaming so loud if Sunak was still PM?
But the Tories stopped it.
It is taking care of business already started by the previous Regime. Remarkable how they forget.
Sovereign Tea, keeping the Conservative party awake at night.
Lammy 😂😂😂 really the UK voted for lammy to represent us to the world 😂😂😂 UK finished
US democrats seem to like him. US Republicans seem to like hi. He’ll do ok
At a time when the Labour government are seeking to cut back payments to pensioners and a whole range of public services and projects to save money, where is the logic in taking on additional and unnecessary expense in the form of now paying rent for something that the UK has built and has fully recognised sovereignty over. The matter should have been deferred and a compromise sought. To say that this matter has been badly handled is understatement.
The Tories are just full of 💩. And why aren't Sunak and Cleverly in the House to answer why they started the negotiations?
Unfortunately the Labour govt even more so
David Lammy is so out of his depth among his more intelligent & eloquent peers
God, this is perfected... What the hell are we paying for what is already ours and to pay for something that is our is absolutely daft... To be proud of paying for something that is already hours is bloody stupid...
Tories started the Chargos work, so they are just screaming about their own policy.
But Labour finished it ! Two wrongs don't make a right !
Just shows what a waste of space these MPs are, instead of getting on with the job, they waste their time on lying and attacking each other 🤬 so were they all lying or just didn’t pay attention when the Tories started the negotiations?
This is so gratifying watching these far right mps with a thesaurus except for ids!! .. furious with a black man giving “their” territory away “love it 😂
They aren't far right, and his race is irrelevant.
So it's open to debate in the House AFTER the deal has been done? 🤔 Who the hell gives something away that is theirs and then rents it back? What sort of logic is that? Ooh, free holidays in Mauritius for Labour MPs? They love "Freebies" 😉 £22 billion black hole but they have money for this rent, carbon capture and God knows what else but they want to screw pensioners? Go figure! 🤔
'We saw a previous Labour government sell off this countries gold'. Which was invested in global currencies and has earned this country far more than the value of the gold.
Labour announced when they were selling the gold in 2008…. Therefore the price dropped… and Labour sold gold for dirt. I am an accounting student Labour are full of ideologs and don’t know economics
I didn't hear this post script to that most famous of smears. Is that what actually happened 😂
@@cubbyhoo Brown sold off a percentage of Gold to invest elsewhere. He diversified our investments and he paid off a portion of our national debt, meaning the interest we had to pay back on the remainder was far less. Today, the Tories have left us with record debt and we can't even service the interest on that debt.
What planet are you on?
The total sale of the gold bullion sold was $3.5 billion, at $275 per ounce average sale value. It is somewhat ironic that Gordon Brown’s attempts to make as much money as possible from a staggered sale resulted in over $100 million less for the gold compared to when the sale hadn’t been announced, but it’s damning just how much more that gold would have been worth further down the line. Gold was $921 per ounce early in May 2009, which would put the gold sold at $11.8 billion in value - $8.3 billion more than Brown got. The 20-year price rise is worse still, with gold currently at $1,279 per ounce. This would make the gold bullion worth $16.4 billion - $12.9 billion more than was received in 1999.
Credit to : Bullion by Post
@@Simonsimon-fy3hq I'm not kidding anyone and what you've stated is correct, in hindsight it certainly wasn't the optimal time to sell. However, Brown wasn't alone, other central banks were also selling gold. Belgium, Canada and the Netherlands had already sold 1,590 tonnes between them since 1990. In 1997 alone, Argentina and Australia sold a combined 290 tonnes.
And in April 1999, Switzerland voted in a referendum to sever the Franc's gold backing, effectively approving a plan to sell 1,300 tonnes from its 2,590-tonne hoard.
Brown sold around 400 tonnes.
Gold was seen as 'yesterday's asset' by some. Like I stated previously Brown used the cash to diversify our investments and not rely on the volatile speculative price of gold and to pay off our national debt. How many billions did that make and save?
What lammy means is labour will do what they want.🤬
And the greatest loss of UK power was Brexit.
For sure ,now your 9n your own 😢 sad !
LOL
Bollox
@@redrev674its true.
This man is the WRONG PERSON for this job! What a joke 😡
Superb and well done David Lammy! Exercised decorum, wit, reasoned argument and intellect. An experienced politican who knows how to deal with right wing waffle.
Comedy gold... A standing Ovation
Faces down? He’s totally out of his depths and doesn’t even answer any questions - just dances around them and doesn’t answer
Why doesnt lammy stick to his part time job looking after trolleys at Tesco❤
Brilliant😂
Really, this was a Tory deal implemented by the incoming government. Totally disgraceful that the Tories now pretend it’s a surprise.
Bloody daft. He's a Barrister who has also been awarded a LLM by Harvard Law school.
Coz hes black
The Rules Based Order means ignoring the ICJ when it suits us.
Shouldn't parliament have voted on this?
Tory MP: have u had any convos with the Chagosians
Lammy : proceeds to ramble on the Labour created 22 billion pound blackhole
He should be face down! He is an embarrassment to the nation! I know this is a looney left channel, but come on.
I know only 20% of registered voters wanted labour, I wonder how many wanted lammy to represent us on the world stage? I imagine it has a few zeros before the decimal point.
Had they even heard of the Chagos Islands before this deal?
How is that remotely relevant in any way
@kravan5063 its performative outrage. These people didn't even know it was an overseas territory, but they are waving the flag, pretending to be angry.
@@DanG_98No, that's you just making an assumption and concluding your own assumption.
Secondly, even if these people didn't know of the islands until now does not change the fact they are of immense strategic importance to our country and our allies.
We are now able to do less and bring less to the table internationally because of this.
So please, stop
@kravan5063 that'll be why the US government have applauded the deal then
@@DanG_98 The soon to be US government thought the deal was an awful idea, because it is an awful idea.
Bernard Jenkin describing anyone as naive is hilarious.
I thought that was Mike Pence sitting behind Nige for a minute.
On the Chagos issue. "You couldn't make it up" and stop bringing China into it. They've got their own problems.
If we really do have a £20 billion black hole, then why are we giving these islands away for free?
It doesn't belong to you
Why are we paying them as well...!!! When we are in a costly living crisis....??
@@vincentblack7467 Blame your Brexit, clown :D
Call it reparations.
@@enigma1256Not sure brexit is the reason why
The Tories were going through the motions to give the impression to the international community they were negotiating and Labour couldn’t wait to do the deal. My only caveat to that is ,I do have doubts if the Tories are that sharp.
NIGEL FARAGE AND RICHARD TICE IS RIGHT why are we giving these islands for free. I’m a mauritian myself and ik they will just give it to china
Dreadful man!
Please explain right wing MPs.🤔🤔🤔🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🏴🏴🏴
Wasn't the Brexit deal advisory!! And didn't we invade and capture overseas territories?
What's it to do with Brexit
Lammy is a terrible politician. He’s self serving and not the sharpest knife in the box.
jenrick got it the wrong way round. The British people have no interest in this island. Also these MP's also seem to miss the point where we get to keep our military base there and not allow other powers to establish new ones
Yes we do. We care about national security.
Imagine having to call Farage honourable. Or a gentleman. What a job.
Tories did all the negotiation and are now crying because the Daily Mail tells them to. Blimey 😅
1:23 what do you mean “our territory” - what’s “our territory” doing all the way there in the Indian Ocean?
Our sovereignty? Britain isn’t “sovereign” over Chagos. The people are sovereign, not the government or the Queen. Parliament is only “sovereign” in the sense that it draws that sovereignty from the people that elected it - and given chagosian people don’t get an MP, parliament can’t call itself sovereign over them.
Tugendhat making an absolute fool of himself there. Could he go much lower in his fruitless chase to try to be the next Tory Leader? No!"
He is ex military so I think he is may more qualified to talk about this than a keyboard warrior
What happened to all the EU-money Nigel Farage promised the Britons. Can You feel Your newfound wealth?
Lammy is great and has answers for every members of the opposition
Ha ha ha ha!
Look at Lammy leaning against the box arrogantly.
So Chagos voted to have more control.
We chagossians people were not consulted on this decision. Only a small part.
you get all this babbling from our so called politicians and yet nothing seems to be acheived, the party who are govening us just do as they please, reguardless of whats said in parliment.
All the angry right whinging 😂
"Our sovereignty" yeah over a foreign people.
About time these islands were returned to their rightful owners. The Empire is no more. Get over it.
Britain is the rightful owner.
Spot on!
@@tomo_xD Based on?
Neither is the country under this lot 😂
@@GeoffV-k1h The fact we got them from the French in a legitimate deal, they were originally uninhabited, and to top it off, we purchased the islands from the same colonial office Mauritius is using to make its claim over the islands.
Why can Mauritius use a British colonial office as a basis for ownership, but Britain itself can't????
Selling off other people’s land without asking them first? Not sure that’s a good look Dave
Lammy is useless. How the hell did he make it as Foreign Sec?
Diversity
Coz hes black
Lammy spending £10k of our taxes on redecorating his office. Lammy is as useful as a one legged man in an ass kicking competition.
David Lammy couldn’t direct a seagull to the coast😂😂😂
You do know that there are as many gulls living inland than the coastline, no?
@@robotjin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No such bird as a seagull.
Jog on Iain, you have done some research on the topic before addressing the house
80 IQ Lammy
Only to those with a lower score.
Lammy got into SOAS - which is no mean achievement - then passed the Bar exams which is a REAL achievement. He was Shadow Justice Secretary and now has become the Foreign Secretary. He's anything but low IQ.
The '22 billion pound hole' is the go-to answer for all Labour MPs when they don't have an answer it seems.
The tories started the negotiations and are shocked when it continued?
@@moonlit_forest2680 so why didn't they scrap it. They scrapped Rwanda. The truth is, you believe anything they say and do. No matter how stupid it is.
@@limpetheadthe point is that the tories began the process and drew up the deal so they are in no place to complain about what they were going to do being done. If labour wanted to scrap the deal then they would also have been well within their right to like in the case of rwanda.
@@scrapheap339 The tories started it but then stopped.
Labour picked it up and continued. They absolutely can complain, they didn't go through with it, Labour did.
These people have never even heard of the islands they argue for 😂
All I hear is David Lammy deflecting legitimate questions about this deal.
...you mean like Sunak did....Truss did...hilarious too see the rump of what's left of the Tories trying to be more stupid than the last....?
...and Tom Tugendhat....so good he's the first to be knocked out of the field of duds desperate to lead a dying Tory party....and Bobby J....a desperate man....only to be followed by pint sized Mark Francois....a man as big as his intellect...ie....not very....!
This deal? You mean the Tory deal., yeah.
'legitimate' lmao
I was once asked "how many people work at CCHQ? I replied "about half". What are the rest doing while you are doing this?
22 Billion Black hole, wheres his 9 Billion contributions to that figure.
*David Lammy faces down like-minded MPs
Ian duncan smith has a cheek talking about Human rights abuses of other people
without looking i thought lammy was Dianne abbot speaking
Why racism? lol :(
@@NoelWayne-j7v Reread what he said.
Of course you did.
I'm not a fan of Lammy, but they came along like little, yellow, plastic ducks at a fairground stall.
Most of the people in that room hadn't heard of the Chagos Islands until last week!
Im from Mauritius myself and i never heard of chagos islands 😂😂😂😂
Most Mauritian locals dont even know about chagos islands
Tantrum Tice.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
A pigsty of blethering gammon getting worked up over nothing. laughable
Gammon, referring to someone's skin tone 😢 Oh dear
@@silondon9010 No referring to the political stance that those MP's & many on the right have. Nothing to do with skin tone.
@@MrRailjunkie your lying
@@silondon9010 Nope not in the slightest.
@@MrRailjunkiethat's a racial insult so aye no running from it
very important for MUCH NEEDED PROPER CONTEXT watch John Pilger's film "Stealing a Nation" about what Britain and America did the Chagos Island.
“Did you liaise with Chagos?”
“22 billion black hole”
Insanity.
Lammy was obviously referring to the jibe about Brown's gold sell-off which was worth a fraction of the money wasted by the Cons Govt. It wouldn't have nearly paid for the PPE scandal or, the 'Test and Trace' debacle.
@@desmondroberts6034 wasn’t though, was he 😂
Handovers like this take years to organise so I'm sure it hasn't been organised since Labour came to power.
Well done to David Lammy for standing his ground on this despite these Tories misinformation and factual distortions. Ian Duncan Smith really doesn't have a clue. While Mauritius maintains good relationships with all countries, including China, to suggest that Mauritius and China are close allies is incorrect. Mauritius, with a predominantly Indian-origin population and a Hindu majority, has far closer ties to India. The majority of the Mauritian population are Indian in decent, and Mauritius is very closely aligned with India not China. Notably, it is widely known that India and China do not currently have a close relationship.
Geographically, Mauritius is approximately 2,000 km from the Chagos Islands, much closer than the UK, which is over 9,000 km away. Historically, in 1968, the British granted Mauritius independence only after coercing the country into ceding the Chagos Islands. Following this, the British forcibly evicted the native Chagossians at gunpoint to Mauritius, many of whom have since lived in poverty-a shameful chapter in British colonial history. The international courts and the United Nations have ruled that Britain's actions were wrong, and while some rulings may not be legally binding, the overwhelming consensus among the majority of the global community is that Mauritius has legitimate sovereignty over the Chagos Islands.
This business of using propaganda to justify territorial occupations or military actions based on unfounded claims has to stop. It is time to stop spreading false narratives-Mauritius is both geographically and historically closer to the Chagos Islands than the UK ever has been. Colonisation must be brought to an end.
Does the EU own the UK just because we are a small island?
He does not answer questions, and asking if someone legally knows but he himself seems to not know himself.
I’m left wing and yet I agree with all those ‘right-wing’ MP’s. Why are we giving away territory which is ours and the other side has no claim to? With nothing in return - is ridiculous
The empire is😂dead so called left winger
How is it yours....an island thousands of miles away in the middle of Indian ocean?
How did it become ours? UK were ordered to negotiate and the last Government did commence, but I suppose they would never have finished the negotiations. Perfidious Albion.
We won that’s why it’s ours duh that’s how all countries were decided no point changing everything now. Or every group of people everywhere can just decide they deserve their own country but it’s not even becoming its own country it’s just being given to Mauritius even though the people of the Chagos islands don’t want it to be
@@ckjhh I'm not sure your last claim is right except in the minds of a few Mail "journalists" out to create trouble. Mauritius has a very good claim, the Chagos islands having been administered for 150 years by Mauritius.