👋 BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT & FREE SAMPLE: Michael and Sandra announced in the Q&A video on 5th August 2023 the book launch ‘Ramana Maharshi’s Forty Verses on What Is - The ultimate truth on being as you actually are’: th-cam.com/video/5Um4S63wClc/w-d-xo.html 🎁 A free book sample is available (includes ‘Introduction by Michael James’) on u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZbcyp0ZeohBWWHhHf8gs7k3TN2vMz02WIBy The book is available in print and e-book through Amazon. Namo Ramanaya 🙏🙏🙏
The questioner is asking for a practical meaning of giving up. It is important to realize that one cannot give up with the idea of winning liberation in return. Baghwan made this very clear. “ There is no such thing as winning Liberation as a matter of right, or earning it in exchange for having done sadhana, no matter how prolonged or arduous. Liberation is always a gift. Those who deserve It surely obtain It - and only those obtain It who surely deserve It. Making yourself eligible to obtain a gift does not mean that you are earning it as a matter of right. This is not a barter - transaction. You do not give up something and get something in return. You give yourself up to His Mercy once and for all and the story ends there. “
@@Lolly8863 Surrender also means giving up all expectations and desires. Including the idea of getting liberation. It is what Bhagwan stated often. “Whatever is destined to happen will happen no matter how much you try to stop it. The best course is to remain silent.” Baghwan reinforces this by saying, “ It is only one who recognizes utterly his own arrant helplessness that surrenders. Others think they are going to Realise the Self one day”. So surrender means giving up all desires including the desire for liberation.
@@Lolly8863we dont have to do anything, action does not give liberation, as it is said in upadesa undiyar. Being is a must, and not doing, doing is for the ego.
This brief answer and the force of Michael’s conviction makes me think, drop all questions on areas I don't understand, like - Who or how is prarabdha selected in relationship to ēka-jīva-vāda 'One without a second' - drop all questions and practice self-attention- bhakti regardless of questions. The 16-year-old Venkataraman Iyer, I imagine, went straight to the investigation 'Who Am I' with little or no knowledge of prarabdha etc. On that subject: Found online two descriptions of Bhagavan's death experience - Bhagavan said, ‘In the vision of death, though all the senses were benumbed, the aham sphurana (Self-awareness) was clearly evident, and so I realised that it was that awareness that we call “I”, and not the body. This Self-awareness never decays. It is unrelated to anything. It is Self-luminous. Even if this body is burnt, it will not be affected. Hence, I realised on that very day so clearly that that was “I”.’ (Letters from Sri Ramanasramam, 22nd November, 1945) And another - Later in the morning, at Rishikesananda’s request, Bhagavan recounted his first experience of the Self in his upstairs room at Madura. ‘When I lay down with limbs outstretched and mentally enacted the death scene and realised that the body would be taken and cremated and yet I would live, some force, call it atmic power or anything else, rose within me and took possession of me. With that, I was reborn and I became a new man. I became indifferent to everything afterwards, having neither likes nor dislikes.’ (Day by Day with Bhagavan, 22nd November 1945) In this TH-cam Michael gives many details on Bhagavan Ramana’s death experience. 2023-11-11 Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK: Bhagavan’s death experience and self-investigation th-cam.com/video/pChWVfgKv18/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8cbIaCdFja39dDnb
No offense to whatever anyone believes, but why would Bhagavan claim to have “enacted the death scene” since he said he actually died? And why would he claim he was ‘a new man’ when his primary message is that we are not this body? These claims don’t line up with what he wrote himself so we should take any secondary source as less reliable evidence when it conflicts with the original source. And Michael has explained that Bhagavan corrected this story being told about enacting death and that Bhagavan explained that his body had actually died (more than once), he didn’t enact death.
@@rblais just passing on what is written and also Michael's corrections he explains in detail on the TH-cam link at the bottom of the comment. No offense taken. 🙏I didn't take the two slightly conflicting accounts of what Bhagavan said literally but as I am interested in what happenned I passed on what others said they heard from Bhagavan in person, years after the event. The truth easily gets distorted!
@@rblais when you say "actually died", what does that really mean, do you know? who is it that dies? is it a fiction that dies, or something real? if it's a fiction that dies, it is something that never existed to begin with, so what does it mean for it to die? too often, we presume we understand meanings, when we don't understand. bhagavan's primary teaching was silence. and it is in silence we find the truth. it takes great discipline and courage to attend to silence, and diligently look within. who is willing to do that?
@@michaelgusovsky I understood it to mean that he said that his body died. ‘Silence’ meant nothing to me until I heard Bhagavan’s teachings in his words.
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👋 BOOK ANNOUNCEMENT & FREE SAMPLE: Michael and Sandra announced in the Q&A video on 5th August 2023 the book launch ‘Ramana Maharshi’s Forty Verses on What Is - The ultimate truth on being as you actually are’: th-cam.com/video/5Um4S63wClc/w-d-xo.html
🎁 A free book sample is available (includes ‘Introduction by Michael James’) on u.pcloud.link/publink/show?code=XZbcyp0ZeohBWWHhHf8gs7k3TN2vMz02WIBy
The book is available in print and e-book through Amazon.
Namo Ramanaya
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The questioner is asking for a practical meaning of giving up. It is important to realize that one cannot give up with the idea of winning liberation in return. Baghwan made this very clear.
“ There is no such thing as winning Liberation as a matter of right, or earning it in exchange for having done sadhana, no matter how prolonged or arduous. Liberation is always a gift. Those who deserve It surely obtain It - and only those obtain It who surely deserve It. Making yourself eligible to obtain a gift does not mean that you are earning it as a matter of right. This is not a barter - transaction. You do not give up something and get something in return. You give yourself up to His Mercy once and for all and the story ends there. “
@@Lolly8863 Surrender also means giving up all expectations and desires. Including the idea of getting liberation. It is what Bhagwan stated often. “Whatever is destined to happen will happen no matter how much you try to stop it. The best course is to remain silent.”
Baghwan reinforces this by saying, “ It is only one who recognizes utterly his own arrant helplessness that surrenders. Others think they are going to Realise the Self one day”. So surrender means giving up all desires including the desire for liberation.
@@Lolly8863we dont have to do anything, action does not give liberation, as it is said in upadesa undiyar. Being is a must, and not doing, doing is for the ego.
🙏
"God is within, but we are without; God is within us in his own home, but we are in a foreign country." (quote)
Within and without are concepts that exist only in the view of ego
When you look within, where do you look? th-cam.com/video/n9l4qebxlSA/w-d-xo.html
@@markocvrljak3681 People love talking in riddles and convoluting the conversation.
This brief answer and the force of Michael’s conviction makes me think,
drop all questions on areas I don't understand, like
- Who or how is prarabdha selected in relationship to ēka-jīva-vāda 'One without a second' -
drop all questions and practice self-attention- bhakti
regardless of questions.
The 16-year-old Venkataraman Iyer, I imagine,
went straight to the investigation 'Who Am I'
with little or no knowledge of prarabdha etc.
On that subject:
Found online two descriptions of Bhagavan's death experience -
Bhagavan said,
‘In the vision of death, though all the senses were benumbed,
the aham sphurana (Self-awareness) was clearly evident,
and so I realised that it was that awareness that we call “I”,
and not the body.
This Self-awareness never decays.
It is unrelated to anything. It is Self-luminous.
Even if this body is burnt, it will not be affected.
Hence, I realised on that very day so clearly that that was “I”.’ (Letters from Sri Ramanasramam, 22nd November, 1945)
And another -
Later in the morning, at Rishikesananda’s request, Bhagavan recounted his first experience of the Self in his upstairs room at Madura.
‘When I lay down with limbs outstretched and mentally enacted the death scene and realised that the body would be taken and cremated and yet I would live, some force, call it atmic power or anything else, rose within me and took possession of me.
With that, I was reborn and I became a new man.
I became indifferent to everything afterwards, having neither likes nor dislikes.’
(Day by Day with Bhagavan, 22nd November 1945)
In this TH-cam Michael gives many details on Bhagavan Ramana’s death experience.
2023-11-11 Ramana Maharshi Foundation UK: Bhagavan’s death experience and self-investigation
th-cam.com/video/pChWVfgKv18/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8cbIaCdFja39dDnb
excellent comment, thank you for posting.
No offense to whatever anyone believes, but why would Bhagavan claim to have “enacted the death scene” since he said he actually died? And why would he claim he was ‘a new man’ when his primary message is that we are not this body? These claims don’t line up with what he wrote himself so we should take any secondary source as less reliable evidence when it conflicts with the original source. And Michael has explained that Bhagavan corrected this story being told about enacting death and that Bhagavan explained that his body had actually died (more than once), he didn’t enact death.
@@rblais just passing on what is written and also Michael's corrections he explains in detail on the TH-cam link at the bottom of the comment. No offense taken. 🙏I didn't take the two slightly conflicting accounts of what Bhagavan said literally but as I am interested in what happenned I passed on what others said they heard from Bhagavan in person, years after the event. The truth easily gets distorted!
@@rblais when you say "actually died", what does that really mean, do you know?
who is it that dies?
is it a fiction that dies, or something real?
if it's a fiction that dies, it is something that never existed to begin with, so what does it mean for it to die?
too often, we presume we understand meanings, when we don't understand.
bhagavan's primary teaching was silence.
and it is in silence we find the truth.
it takes great discipline and courage to attend to silence, and diligently look within.
who is willing to do that?
@@michaelgusovsky I understood it to mean that he said that his body died. ‘Silence’ meant nothing to me until I heard Bhagavan’s teachings in his words.
🙏