alhex123 neutral start is both players agreeing to run to other side of stage and wait a few seconds before match starts since characters wont always start in fair positions. hugs is infamous for trying to do one with everyone he plays also to note neutral starts are in no way dictated by rules and people can and often do just refuse
I love the perspective coming from the relative unknowns who are new to the game to the grizzled vets. We've been so focused on the Gods that we haven't spared a glance at the People.
9:02, brodie on the left is poppin some concentration mints for game 1 of the set. 9:07, HuGs becomes self conscious and does a breath check. idk why but that fuckin killed me
I think the opening statement doesn't set up the best vibe, I don't think anybody can talk to everybody, there is a reason a documentary was made to create exposure. Followed with "Not everyone can be good at this game" is a rough statement to start with. Melee is a game that requires incredible amounts of both dedication and skill, but with players like M2K, the dream is that you can lab and put your time in and have a chance at being amazing. And that pursuit in itself, is core to melee. Just seems like a weird way to start out *shrugs*
An interesting look at the different perspectives you'll see in a tournament setting. I thought it was shot really well and by the end I wanted more. There's some technical stuff that could be better, but all in all I enjoyed it alot.
I feel like 60 frames would've been a better title for a documentary about the the road to frame tight executions and optimizations of characters to TAS levels. Instead we got a doc about player mentalities.
It's crazy to see how much people have improved at the game since the early days. Hugs was top 10 in the world for sure around 2006, but 10 years later there are so many good players it's hard to hold that spot.
Terrific documentary! I love how deep the information and detail goes into each subject and the players have a great personality and always have something interesting to say for each question and situation. Very unique. Great edits. Amazing effort. Long live Smash Bros.
Great doc man. Watching Kenji made me feel super uncomfortable, but Hugs and Squid were great. This documentary really highlighted the ruthlessness and subtle aggression of competitive smash in a way that The Smash Brothers did not. Again, good job.
Watching this definitely made me motivated to keep playing, even during the saltiest of times. Really inspirational stuff as a (causal) smash bro. And Hugs is awesome ^o^
I'm watching this video in 2019. To see squid saying he is top 108 in the world and to see how he improved and where he is now, it's great to see his effort pay out
this was pretty amazing, I loved the how it shows the mindset of beginner, mid/upper mid-level, and veteran players perspectives of the game, and how it affects their lives in general. also it was spot on in showcasing the types of people you would see in a tourney, and how overall approachable, and accepting the smash communuty is.
Having gone to SSS 42, and planning on going to as many as possible in the coming future, and meeting Squid and HuGs, I love this documentary. Absolutely amazingly made. Good luck in your future games Kenji. Hope to one day face you all.
Constructive feedback attempt: - There were moments of complete silence in which a calm instrumental song would fit better - The typefaces chosen for this kind of media were pretty bad too. It was even hard to read the text at times (like the floating text showing players tag+rank) - The slow-mo sequence before HugsvsN0ne last stock generated too much expactation and ended up leading to an anticlimactic ending. But overall you guys did a great job showing another side of the Smash Community that hasn't been covered in other docs. Congrats :)
The whole point of the documentary was to see look into the life of a newcomer (Kenji), an upcoming top player (squid), and a well known top player (hugs) and I thought the documentary fulfilled that purpose. Not sure why everyone is bashing it it's not a bad documentary whatsoever..
This video seem very professional, good camera angles, a lot of additional in melee angled game play in live tourneys, and getting people's perspective, this video turned out awesome
I have 3 comments that could cause some upset 1. good doco but kinda short 2.great explaining the bracket and all that because when i first watched smash i had no idea 3. squids roommate cans can't be real
+Kaiju Kamacuras Repetitive? Repetitive?! In Sm4sh, all 50+ characters are viable, while I can only see Foxes, Sheiks, Marths, Peaches, Falcos, Falcons, Ice Climbers and at most Luigis. No characters else. I am not bashing on Melee, but Melee players need to accept that Sm4sh is also technical with other techs like Bidou.
+Kaiju Kamacuras I know right, Brawl's tripping is so much better. And the clones are definitely NOT alternate costumes. The stages suck so bad for CASUAL PLAYERS, RIGHT? And it lacks the super cool awesome ADVENTURE MODE.(these are the exact shitty complaints the people made when it first came out, kid)
Im from the UK and would like to thank you for your hard work. Enjoyed the doc and am proud to call myself a smasher coz of peaple like you and those in the doc. Respek.
CP Adagio Every movie you've ever watched was probably in 30 FPS. Real-time video simply looks strange in 60. It's obviously standard for gameplay, but when someone tries to create a documentary, it only makes sense that they make it in 30. It's just an industry standard more than anything.
It's crazy to me how, when this video came out, I didn't know who most of the people in this video were. 2 years later and I get chills when I see familiar faces :D
This is actually pretty fucking good ^^ I'd prefer a more in-depth type of doc now that we have this and the smash brothers doc, but I can see how this type of thing helps to get new people in and I still enjoy it gudshit m8s
This is a great start, assuming there will be more. Thoroughly enjoyed the melee re-enactment scenes, felt they gave a lot to the pace and scripting. Keep up the great stuff, stuff to improve on but all in all fantastic!
If you're not interested in reading criticism, stop now. Graphics sucked. Audio editing wasn't very good for the most part, very abrupt cuts, sometimes nothing tying clips together. Audio sometimes got too loud or was too quiet as well. The integration of the weird angled gameplay was pretty bad especially when there was no audio in the background to link things together. Establishing shots, b-roll, interviews, and face cams were all very decent. Cinematography in general was pretty good. The interviews were very very good, by far the best part of the entire doc. My recommendation is to focus more on simplicity. Perhaps you thought adding the visuals would make the doc seem more professional, but in reality it actually hurt the doc more rather than if they weren't included at all. It's weird because I have no idea what you were thinking when you included these visuals because they look like they were made in MS paint, have the most obnoxious color scheme and are on the whole unnecessary. Seeing as the doc is pretty clearly not marketed towards a general audience in the majority of it's content, incorporating explanations for concepts that smash community already knows about is just pointless and feels like an imitation of one of the worst parts of the Smash Brothers doc. There a very good doc in there somewhere, but as it stands it's just an okay amateur doc. Hopefully you've learned from some of these mistakes and improve from them. That or just get other people to do the things you're incapable of doing well. Nice to see somebody approaching a topic that hasn't yet been covered, low, mid, and high-mid level players.
Sometimes I read someone say something like "don't read if you can't handle criticism" and then they just say they didn't like it without saying why, but I think this is one of the best critical responses I've seen in a TH-cam comment and broke the stereotype to me
Hugo is his actual name, HugS is his player name. Some of the commentators and other people say Hugo because he is so well known and most likely friends with them.
melee really is a showing that true talent cannot make you win. dedication and the will to keep wanting to get better is the key to winning, and that key is universal
One thing I would have liked to see more is players explaining what makes a top player different than a good player. Why the Five Gods have been so dominant and how Leffen managed to close the gap when no one else could.
I really like the fact that it focused on the human and psychological aspect of competitive melee instead of the game itself. The documentary is far from perfect (especially graphics and audio edit) but I give you huge props for showing that well how it feels to play competitive melee Also shoutouts to the people in the comments who never got any female friend and think that if you do you necessarily got friendzoned lmao
+0blalb0 Difference is, Sm4sh is actually really good, and had more succes then brawl already, also it will be inpossible for a smash 5 to top sm4sh roster
MaxiM - Sm4sh might be okay in a vacuum, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. And if smash 5 adds literally any character and keeps all the rest, hell, if it just has every character that has been in smash before, it's already the bigger roster.
Phantom hits are my favorite advanced technique.
Lmao
+8888 Really gotta master those TANGENT LINES
It's all a mind game. Imagine someone intentionally getting 5 phantoms in a row on you. I'd be bricking it
+8888 It's the 20XX rest punish.
+8888 Phantom rests are the best tbh.
of course hugs first game you see him sitting down for he asks for a neutral start before you hear any other words from him
Lol
+erty3125 LOL
what does that mean?
alhex123 neutral start is both players agreeing to run to other side of stage and wait a few seconds before match starts since characters wont always start in fair positions. hugs is infamous for trying to do one with everyone he plays
also to note neutral starts are in no way dictated by rules and people can and often do just refuse
at G4 they were rule enforced, but only by port decision
ive never seen hugo hit so many charge shots
Dude you're everywhere on every video I watch
+CP Adagio I know right. He's on more videos than not.
LOL
I love the perspective coming from the relative unknowns who are new to the game to the grizzled vets. We've been so focused on the Gods that we haven't spared a glance at the People.
9:02, brodie on the left is poppin some concentration mints for game 1 of the set.
9:07, HuGs becomes self conscious and does a breath check.
idk why but that fuckin killed me
+Huey P lol I noticed that too
+Huey P Haha yeah! xD It's really funny. ^^
The real mindgames start way before the set
westballz looking like a male nurse
When does he not?
"roommate"
+the metapod "friendzone"
+Coach McGuirk squid only cares about melee omg he has no time for women esp. not scrubby peach mains like michelle
And now Squid is ranked above HugS! Crazy!
Thank you undertale man, very cool
aren’t you....?
By a long shot
This is amazing.
Great work!
Hey omni the smash news God
+James Gorman omni deserves to be lynched
+Pepper Can't stop laughing.XD By the way, nothing against you Omni.
+Pepper get a life
+James Gorman already got one buddy
Squid's roommate is the thing i like most in melee
I feel like this doc was kind of awkward at the start, but as it went on, it became very professional and fun to watch.
I think the opening statement doesn't set up the best vibe, I don't think anybody can talk to everybody, there is a reason a documentary was made to create exposure. Followed with "Not everyone can be good at this game" is a rough statement to start with. Melee is a game that requires incredible amounts of both dedication and skill, but with players like M2K, the dream is that you can lab and put your time in and have a chance at being amazing. And that pursuit in itself, is core to melee. Just seems like a weird way to start out *shrugs*
Fantastic short film. This has to be added to the list of "Must-watches" of Smash community.
What else is on the list?
Austin Johnson The Smash Bros Documentary, Wombo Combo, and How fast is Melee is what I can think of at the moment.
Couldn´t have phrased it better!
musical melee now
+don't-feed-ben all I want to say is the smash pros mockumentary
An interesting look at the different perspectives you'll see in a tournament setting. I thought it was shot really well and by the end I wanted more. There's some technical stuff that could be better, but all in all I enjoyed it alot.
if chocolate cows dont exist, explain chocolate milk.
When do we get the doc about Squid's roommate?
She fine
@ssbm_cakes on instagram man
the fucking plug, im crying
they smash *literally*
DXLTA thanks you a real one
I feel like 60 frames would've been a better title for a documentary about the the road to frame tight executions and optimizations of characters to TAS levels. Instead we got a doc about player mentalities.
Just finished the whole thing. I especially loved the intro.
All 3 players seem like amazing people!
Long live melee.
It's kinda funny this wasn't uploaded with 60 fps, but whyyyy
+applesgosh hey look it's the game grumps highlight person!
Movies in 60 fps just look weird.
Taylor Bryan What.
+Taylor “Fluid” Bryan free pizza slices
Feet per second
Amazing. A very unique smash documentary in the way it doesn't focus on just top players, really cool!
I love the little ways you chose to pay homage to the doc, the music choices, the intro, all of it. amazing.
It's crazy to see how much people have improved at the game since the early days. Hugs was top 10 in the world for sure around 2006, but 10 years later there are so many good players it's hard to hold that spot.
Terrific documentary! I love how deep the information and detail goes into each subject and the players have a great personality and always have something interesting to say for each question and situation. Very unique. Great edits. Amazing effort.
Long live Smash Bros.
Great doc man. Watching Kenji made me feel super uncomfortable, but Hugs and Squid were great. This documentary really highlighted the ruthlessness and subtle aggression of competitive smash in a way that The Smash Brothers did not. Again, good job.
Superb Smashing Brothers? Nonono, it's Extraordinary Excessive Pressure Fraternal Figures.
squid's roommate tho
billygowhoop "roommate"
They sure do like to smash
Watching this definitely made me motivated to keep playing, even during the saltiest of times. Really inspirational stuff as a (causal) smash bro. And Hugs is awesome ^o^
This was actually a really interesting view of three different skill levels.
I'm watching this video in 2019. To see squid saying he is top 108 in the world and to see how he improved and where he is now, it's great to see his effort pay out
this was pretty amazing, I loved the how it shows the mindset of beginner, mid/upper mid-level, and veteran players perspectives of the game, and how it affects their lives in general. also it was spot on in showcasing the types of people you would see in a tourney, and how overall approachable, and accepting the smash communuty is.
Having gone to SSS 42, and planning on going to as many as possible in the coming future, and meeting Squid and HuGs, I love this documentary. Absolutely amazingly made. Good luck in your future games Kenji. Hope to one day face you all.
This is honestly so well filmed and shot and seems to flow very well. Good job!
Constructive feedback attempt:
- There were moments of complete silence in which a calm instrumental song would fit better
- The typefaces chosen for this kind of media were pretty bad too. It was even hard to read the text at times (like the floating text showing players tag+rank)
- The slow-mo sequence before HugsvsN0ne last stock generated too much expactation and ended up leading to an anticlimactic ending.
But overall you guys did a great job showing another side of the Smash Community that hasn't been covered in other docs. Congrats :)
"It's a fruit, a fruit tree!" "TOMATO" lol!!!
This was really nice to watch. The filming was great.
squid's roommate : I see no one who is as dedicated as him.
M2K : I see
This started out interesting but by the end I couldn't tell if the video was supposed to have any sort of point.
the first documentary was good, but it inspired a lot of bad documentaries lol
+Jason Fencer wtf? this is by no means bad. haha
+EverythingSmashing This is by no means great either.
The whole point of the documentary was to see look into the life of a newcomer (Kenji), an upcoming top player (squid), and a well known top player (hugs) and I thought the documentary fulfilled that purpose. Not sure why everyone is bashing it it's not a bad documentary whatsoever..
DraconisMarchVII Its pretty great story and character wise, its simply the editing that needs work.
This video seem very professional, good camera angles, a lot of additional in melee angled game play in live tourneys, and getting people's perspective, this video turned out awesome
Whoa, once it ended, the whole thing seemed so short. Excellent work!
Squid's friend is built nicely
+666XX "friend" Biblethump
Oh god yes...that body is a solid 8
+Estevan Hernandez (Toilet Snakes) I'm pretty sure that her boyfriend, Krame Pie iirc
+Drif blim nah I'm just a thirsty dude
+Kramer McEleney I'm actually dying at this LMAO
I have 3 comments that could cause some upset
1. good doco but kinda short
2.great explaining the bracket and all that because when i first watched smash i had no idea
3. squids roommate cans can't be real
This documental felt like something that grew on me very quickly, like Melee itself. It was amazing to watch and made me think!
Also squid's roommate has the best pair of straight up wrecking balls
A-Tastic HYEZ! ._.
+A-Tastic our boi
Kinda like a short Smash Bros Documentary which is needed because that one is 4 hours long but worth the watch. Nice video.
Wzrd it's split up into 8 or 9 episodes do you don't have to watch it in one sitting
Pls do a sequel but with other players!
WingChroniam Yeah probably.
+Darell Arocho I'd love something like this but with Smash 4.
+Kaiju Kamacuras Repetitive? Repetitive?! In Sm4sh, all 50+ characters are viable, while I can only see Foxes, Sheiks, Marths, Peaches, Falcos, Falcons, Ice Climbers and at most Luigis. No characters else. I am not bashing on Melee, but Melee players need to accept that Sm4sh is also technical with other techs like Bidou.
+Kaiju Kamacuras ok
+Kaiju Kamacuras I know right, Brawl's tripping is so much better. And the clones are definitely NOT alternate costumes. The stages suck so bad for CASUAL PLAYERS, RIGHT? And it lacks the super cool awesome ADVENTURE MODE.(these are the exact shitty complaints the people made when it first came out, kid)
Glad to see another Top Quality Smash Doc! Also really liked the use of infographics!
This is really a great vid. Every smasher should watch this
god damn Squid's roommate made sure she was dressed nice for this
Fantastic, the different perspectives really makes this stand out from the rest
Love the documentary and the music you chose, those savant tracks were on point with the video, nicely done mate.
Im from the UK and would like to thank you for your hard work. Enjoyed the doc and am proud to call myself a smasher coz of peaple like you and those in the doc. Respek.
My favorite part is how Hugs wasn’t making any faces when it wasn’t focused on him but when it was he was moving his head and stuff
Great doc! Really tastefully made. More people need to know about this!
this was really well done.
SQUID FRIENDZONED!!!
Holy fuck Squid's "roommate." To live with her in the friendzone...fuck.
+Khang Nguyen Ikr. She's got one rockin' bod.
Her: let's fuck
Squid: can't playing melee
Her teeth really bother me tho
Jake Smith who's looking at her teeth?
+Khang Nguyen any time I see someone talk about the friendzone, I cringe a little bit harder inside.
And the video wasn't uploaded in 60 fps...
60 FPS isn't cinematic.
+weaselsdawg The fuck does that mean
CP Adagio Every movie you've ever watched was probably in 30 FPS. Real-time video simply looks strange in 60. It's obviously standard for gameplay, but when someone tries to create a documentary, it only makes sense that they make it in 30. It's just an industry standard more than anything.
+weaselsdawg Hm I didn't know that thanks
CP Adagio No problem.
This was amazing. Makes me remember why I love melee.
Great work, it's nice to see the livelihood of the melee community so close to home
It's crazy to me how, when this video came out, I didn't know who most of the people in this video were. 2 years later and I get chills when I see familiar faces :D
I want to be jeremy. I want that roomade.
Oh god
Same.
she has a well bust nit bad tho
the friendzone is real
half of you guys posting "I wanna fug her" shouldn't be surprised why you don't have a roommate like her.
+Chugga Chugga Choo Choo cool bud 👍
"do something constructive"
*trigger intensifies"
27:20 - 27:23
When she tells you she's pregnant but you think she's joking so you laugh... but you realize she actually telling the truth
+Blite Hispasian Oh my god yes
Blite Hispasian d
Digging the Savant. Really well put together all around; I enjoyed it
26:11 The struggle of trying to tell someone you're from Yorba Linda.
Anyone else 100% disagree with the first line in this? I think Kenji needs to rethink his lifestyle
This is actually pretty fucking good ^^ I'd prefer a more in-depth type of doc now that we have this and the smash brothers doc, but I can see how this type of thing helps to get new people in and I still enjoy it
gudshit m8s
Am I the only one who when HuGs was listing the only reasons he would stop playing melee that he would say the game dies or he dies?
I would love to see more content like this from you. I loved 60 frames.
Turned out great man! :)
Hope to see more in the future!
Let's talk about the elephant in the room:
Did Hugs get new teeth?
squid with the ultimate friendzone
This is a great start, assuming there will be more.
Thoroughly enjoyed the melee re-enactment scenes, felt they gave a lot to the pace and scripting.
Keep up the great stuff, stuff to improve on but all in all fantastic!
Hugo's teeth look so much nicer in this
If you're not interested in reading criticism, stop now. Graphics sucked. Audio editing wasn't very good for the most part, very abrupt cuts, sometimes nothing tying clips together. Audio sometimes got too loud or was too quiet as well. The integration of the weird angled gameplay was pretty bad especially when there was no audio in the background to link things together. Establishing shots, b-roll, interviews, and face cams were all very decent. Cinematography in general was pretty good. The interviews were very very good, by far the best part of the entire doc. My recommendation is to focus more on simplicity. Perhaps you thought adding the visuals would make the doc seem more professional, but in reality it actually hurt the doc more rather than if they weren't included at all. It's weird because I have no idea what you were thinking when you included these visuals because they look like they were made in MS paint, have the most obnoxious color scheme and are on the whole unnecessary. Seeing as the doc is pretty clearly not marketed towards a general audience in the majority of it's content, incorporating explanations for concepts that smash community already knows about is just pointless and feels like an imitation of one of the worst parts of the Smash Brothers doc. There a very good doc in there somewhere, but as it stands it's just an okay amateur doc. Hopefully you've learned from some of these mistakes and improve from them. That or just get other people to do the things you're incapable of doing well. Nice to see somebody approaching a topic that hasn't yet been covered, low, mid, and high-mid level players.
Excellent analysis bro.
+Nibblenub I pretty much agree entirely with this. Just thought I would let you know. haha
Sometimes I read someone say something like "don't read if you can't handle criticism" and then they just say they didn't like it without saying why, but I think this is one of the best critical responses I've seen in a TH-cam comment and broke the stereotype to me
This is good criticism.
Maurice Aguilar
This is good criticism, not a good analysis.
This Documentary is AWESOME!!!!
HugS = Hugo?
Hugo is his actual name, HugS is his player name. Some of the commentators and other people say Hugo because he is so well known and most likely friends with them.
break it down. Hugo Gonzales HuGs
Gott Mit Uns Even though he goes by HugS lol
melee really is a showing that true talent cannot make you win. dedication and the will to keep wanting to get better is the key to winning, and that key is universal
Talent is a big part of it. But I agree
Only thing I wish was different was that briiiiight red background. Everything else about this is on point. Excellently done :)
I think I want to have squid's roomate...
If anyone is here from Hugs stream you should know that McPhellin pays for the rent.
One thing I would have liked to see more is players explaining what makes a top player different than a good player. Why the Five Gods have been so dominant and how Leffen managed to close the gap when no one else could.
60 frames. Uploaded in 30 fps. lol
Good documentary though. Wish it was a bit longer.
niiiice job man. I liked the close up shots in-game
Nice use of "Basement" by Savant in the beginning :) Love this song!
Nice video I always love these documentary videos that the community makes. so good
Yo is my man Squid friendzoned? Took one for the team ♥
I see you love Savant. Good choice of music, great job with the video. c:
makes me so happy to be in socal
lol your lucky Danny Tanner. I love Vegas to death but when I get the chance I'm probably gonna move to a stronger region when I get older
You need a pop filter on that mic so bad.
and make some dialogues mono so it doesn't sound like the dude talking is behind you...
I laughed when HugS said, "Neutral Start?"
5:13 Why would tomato be your first guess to that? Tomatos don't even grow on trees.
Spaghetti does
pffft m2k was more dedicated than squid
There should be a sequel with more
Squid looks so similar to my roomate, probably brothers separated at birth
Song in the beginning is Basement by Savant
I really like the fact that it focused on the human and psychological aspect of competitive melee instead of the game itself. The documentary is far from perfect (especially graphics and audio edit) but I give you huge props for showing that well how it feels to play competitive melee
Also shoutouts to the people in the comments who never got any female friend and think that if you do you necessarily got friendzoned lmao
Solid vid. You better be doing more in the future!
I feel sad for people thinking sm4sh will live as long as Melee already has.
+Glace077 Don't doubt it. I think a lot of people would have said the same about Melee when it was first starting out.
+Rawr1752 sm4sh will probably die out when the next smash game comes out, unless it's garbage
+Glace077 melee is timeless. unfortunately sm4sh will just be replaced with the next game. just like brawl was.
+0blalb0 Difference is, Sm4sh is actually really good, and had more succes then brawl already, also it will be inpossible for a smash 5 to top sm4sh roster
MaxiM - Sm4sh might be okay in a vacuum, but it doesn't exist in a vacuum. And if smash 5 adds literally any character and keeps all the rest, hell, if it just has every character that has been in smash before, it's already the bigger roster.
Roommate? Damn he got friend zoned hard.
Michelle = 😍😍😍
I laughed so hard when lucky slapped that ass at 6:50
lol that aint lucky
anyone need a roommate ? (i just bought the game). xD
uhm i wouldent mind one but prob to far away xD
xD
Can I get a roommate but one that I can fuck
I KNOW KENJI
I've known kenji since before he even smashed. this kid Got good in a very short amount of time