Kevin, you have my genuine thanks for such a thoughtful and thorough video. Truly enjoy you honest and "down home" way of presenting your videos (also enjoyed the tube bending vid). Now I need to go and catch up with the rest of the videos I missed. God bless!
Onsale now @ harbor freight until 4 Feb 24 if you happen to see this in time. I got a couple and never had one before or a go-kart, so the video is a big help. Thank you. Now I need a cart, Yours looks great. I'd welcome any comments, tips, suggestions. I raced cars, but I dont even know about the transmission for these. 😂😅
@@Robinson-Homestead Sorry Im late but Unplug that oil sensor if you already haven't. it will prevent it from shutting off; it shuts off because when the go-kart turns in circles it shuts off.
Thanks for the video. My recent experience was similar. I ran and drained it 4 times from approximately 20-40 minutes each time with conventional. After the fourth drain it looked almost completely clean. Then I filled with synthetic which is how I’ll run it from now on.
One extra set I take when changing oil in my engines, both small and car engines, is to run a full quart of oil through the engine after the oil change, helps to flush out MORE of the dirty oil when it's just starting to drip out. I use the CHEAPEST oil for this FLUSHING, you are just pouring it through the engine. I have done this for decades, my last vehicle (2001 Cavalier) accumulated 205,000miles with NO INTERNAL issues, traded it in 2018 toward a '13 Focus, only because of MAJOR body cancer (RUST NEVER SLEEPS)! Btw, I always considered the "break-in" process to be done for seating the piston rings, for car engines you would VARY the speed of engine continuously for about 500 miles, otherwise you WOULD end up with an "oil burner". As I understand it, today's car engines are broken in when they leave the factory, yet some owner's manuals STILL advise a SHORT break-in period. So, are they broken-in or not?
Nice video! I think I will follow your method on my new predator with a small modification. I am tempted to go with a 10w30 HDEO like T5 Rotella over synthetic due to it being air cooled. Thanks for sharing!
How many teeth is on ur rear sprocket? Mine is #35 chain 12T on clutch and 60T on axle sprocket on 18" tall rear wheels ..waiting on my new 212cc as we speak ..hope it flies as good as yours does .. with my 30 series torque converter !
I'm with you 100% as far as changing/flushing new oil through ''A NEW ENGINE'' multiple times. I believe it's a very wise, easy, & inexpensive procedure to perform. I've heard those Predator engines are ''very good'' considering how inexpensive they are, however, I'd bet you'd get the same results as far as finding all those little aluminum bits in any brand of ''new engine'' you followed that break-in procedure on. Good job & great video, Sir.
Wow I used Supertech conventional 10w-30 and in 10-12 minutes the oil was black every time I changed it while braking my. Predator 212cc I’m going to run Pennzoil full time after what I saw and just read about that 10w-30 yellow bottle, that oil has the best evaporation and flash point of all oils on the market including m1 all synthetics!!!!!
Just make sure that the Pennzoil you are using is the "ULTRA PLATINUM" and not just the platinum, there is a DIFFERENCE. The tests that "Project Farm" used in his test was the "ULTRA" version. That oil does indeed have the LOWEST volatility of any oil out there. I use it in my '13 Focus because of the GDI engine, the throttle body shows VERY LITTLE oil residue, so less oil vapor is getting on the back of the intakes.
Its recommended to pop the flywheel and sideplate off and wipe as much out the case as possible and you might be surprised on how much casting sand is still stuck in the bottom,it could prematurely destroy your bearings.Nice video all in all and informative Thankyou.
I ran the 212cc engine on a new pressure washer at full throttle under load for 5 hours and then changed the oil. I had no where near the metal you had on that engine. Running at low speed like that may prevent the rings from sealing properly.
Full throttle for 5 hours, definitely not a good way to break in a small engine or any engine for that matter. This break in video is probably the best I've seen yet.
The plastic bottle trick is genious! It's an engine, not a motor. JS. Your break in is going to work great! Thank you for the video. (Motors/electricity, Engines burn fuel)
This process has to be done on reg oil or it will always burn oil from unseated rings. Good stuff fella ! They all seem to be a bit persnickety when new eh. A pipe L is always nice to keep the mess down for sure.
Jump up a tire size when these are done and that will really fly bud. Great fun. Wire the kill switch up to a small panel and a couple pulleys and longer pull cord to the side and you can do the stop/start from the seat eh.
You forgot the directions to start it, the red knob in the front turn to on, on the side that you were trying, to start the white stays back, the throttle that you opened a little comes about all the way open or I just pull it all the way back, and the black switch on the bottom you push all the way toward the front, it will almost always start on the first or 2nd pull of the cord, when it starts push the white level to toward the front and leave it there, other than that you did good. Knowing this is an old video just added this in case someone has bought them a new replace motor, I use it on my splitter and have had no issues, this is my 2nd year using this engine, you can catch it on sale for 99.95 with the special coupon, but can almost always get it for 119.95, you can't beat this engine, its a good one.
The reason they say to break it in at half throttle for a half hour is to break in the cam and lifters. These engines use a flat tappet cam. If you don’t it can damage the cam.
How do you break in one of these motors that's a trash pump...if you dont have water in the pump housing with it running it will burn up the seal? I guess you pump water at an idle and drain it a few times like you did.
I was changing my oil on my predator (after I broke it in) and I think I saw bits of my governor come out. Should I pull apart the engine to see whats up?
Buy 1 side cover gasket Drain oil Remove side cover And wipe ALL THE FILINGS. in the the sump with a clean shop rag or microfiber cloth Then the oil will be good & clear . Fill with 14oz.s of a Good Synthetic Race Oil . Good to go !
I had 2 harbor freight engines I did this on. Loaded with junk. Just pulled the side cover, blasted the inside with brake clean and wiped it out. Reused the gaskets. My Hisun engines on my Coleman mini bikes that I opened were very clean and didn't need it.
I don't think so. Like he said in the video, there are many different break in methods that others use. This is just his way. I would never "break in" one these engines this way.
Gotta say right off that I'm not all that paranoid about the break-in - it's a $99 motor. I would think just common sense is enough - don't stress it too hard for the first 100 hours or so, then change the oil.
You'll be good Mann. That oil still has a lot of life in it.. just go ahead and filter twice. use a coffee filter, to make sure you get no metal shavings left in it..
Break in with conventional and it’s a few bucks a quart. Just change it a couple times and move on. I’m not sure how small the flakes are that are shed from the crankcase, but for a few bucks it’s not worth the hassle for me. Hypothetically though, it would work as long as the filtering method could get small pieces. Cheers!
I hope people dont take your advice. The manual says break in is 3 hours, during which no heavy load, no max speed. After 20 hrs of goin easy, change oil.
Well it is a cheap made-in-china engine. Safe to say you can break it in any way you like. I see no issue with the way Kevin did it. Probably better to change the oil every 15 minutes than to let it run with aluminum casting dust in the crank case for three hours.
Put a Tillotson 212 Hemi on that cart' 10hp stock out the box" an it Doesn't have that low oil sensor" I have one on my Colman BT200x with a Torque Converter an it's a BEAST'
Definition of motor (Entry 1 of 3) 1: one that imparts motionspecifically : PRIME MOVER 2: any of various power units that develop energy or impart motion: such as a: a small compact engine b: INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINEespecially : a gasoline engine c: a rotating machine that transforms electrical energy into mechanical energy 3: MOTOR VEHICLEespecially : AUTOMOBILE
Yeah Jason and in your video your running a smoky engine in a not so open area wearing flip flops and smoking a cigarette I think ill take my advice from Kevin thank you
You will always see metal flakes in the oil. I know that for a fact because I use those engines quite a bit and believe me when they are on a go kart and it’s under a load you will get a lot of metal shavings. There is no way around it because they are a cheap Chinese lock offHonda
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What I enjoy about go karts is you never see someone driving one without a smile. Thanks for letting us hang out with you. Be well my friend.
You know your right.
That's vary true I just built a 3 wheel scooter with the same motor
You taught me something new!! I couldn't get a straight answer about proper break in methods anywhere!! You are a big help thank you!!
The manual tells you to break engine in for 3 hrs at idle. No heavy load or full throttle.
And after 20 hours of going easy on it, to change oil. At THAT POINT, breakin period is over. I hope nobody takin this old coot seriously..
Your son looked like he was really enjoying the ride and having fun! Thank you for sharing!
They just love this stuff Paul.
Kevin, you have my genuine thanks for such a thoughtful and thorough video. Truly enjoy you honest and "down home" way of presenting your videos (also enjoyed the tube bending vid). Now I need to go and catch up with the rest of the videos I missed. God bless!
Thank you nitz4all.
quite the go-kart Builder great job fast👍😎
Thank you M Ten.
Excellent break in instructions. Definitely the best I've seen. Thank you.
Thanks my friend.
Oh man this is the best break in video I have found thank you so much I'm just about to get my first one this weekend
Thank you for watching alex have fun.
Thanks for showing each step and breaking it down. Other videos go to fast . From Miami, Fl . Thanks
Thank you glad to help.
Onsale now @ harbor freight until 4 Feb 24 if you happen to see this in time. I got a couple and never had one before or a go-kart, so the video is a big help. Thank you. Now I need a cart, Yours looks great. I'd welcome any comments, tips, suggestions. I raced cars, but I dont even know about the transmission for these. 😂😅
Rodgers check out your local scrap yard awesome deals on carts you may get lucky my friend.
The plastic under the motor is a nice trick
Thanks.
engine !!
@@Robinson-Homestead Sorry Im late but Unplug that oil sensor if you already haven't. it will prevent it from shutting off; it shuts off because when the go-kart turns in circles it shuts off.
@@tebibyte2357 thanks for the information.
@@Robinson-Homestead No problem.
Thanks for the video enjoyed it you guys need to be careful and please don’t get hurt your friend Gman
Thank you G-man.
Thanks for the video. My recent experience was similar. I ran and drained it 4 times from approximately 20-40 minutes each time with conventional. After the fourth drain it looked almost completely clean. Then I filled with synthetic which is how I’ll run it from now on.
Thanks for the video I just bought 2 of these I need to do a break in I might do a little video
Thanks for watching I was checking out your channel keep up the good work.
Beautiful frame on that kart...
Thank you my friend.
Love the video! I'll break in my engine the same way. Thank you so much!
Thanks for watching glad to help.
That is a lot of metal considering you can only see the big stuff. Thanks for the video.
Thank for watching Ron.
One extra set I take when changing oil in my engines, both small and car engines, is to run a full quart of oil through the engine after the oil change, helps to flush out MORE of the dirty oil when it's just starting to drip out. I use the CHEAPEST oil for this FLUSHING, you are just pouring it through the engine. I have done this for decades, my last vehicle (2001 Cavalier) accumulated 205,000miles with NO INTERNAL issues, traded it in 2018 toward a '13 Focus, only because of MAJOR body cancer (RUST NEVER SLEEPS)! Btw, I always considered the "break-in" process to be done for seating the piston rings, for car engines you would VARY the speed of engine continuously for about 500 miles, otherwise you WOULD end up with an "oil burner". As I understand it, today's car engines are broken in when they leave the factory, yet some owner's manuals STILL advise a SHORT break-in period. So, are they broken-in or not?
Nice video! I think I will follow your method on my new predator with a small modification. I am tempted to go with a 10w30 HDEO like T5 Rotella over synthetic due to it being air cooled. Thanks for sharing!
Your welcome and good luck with your projects
And by the way very nice cart. Love it.
Thanks Barry.
How many teeth is on ur rear sprocket? Mine is #35 chain 12T on clutch and 60T on axle sprocket on 18" tall rear wheels ..waiting on my new 212cc as we speak ..hope it flies as good as yours does .. with my 30 series torque converter !
Thanks for the tip. , your the only one on you tube. Who uses. Common. Sense. To break in a motor.
Thank you for the comment Richard.
Thanks a lovely man 💋just bought 2 of them👍
No problem 👍
Thanks just bought a predator im gonna do this
Thanks for the comment Kainoa good luck.
Kevin Robinson thankss for the amazing and detailed video 🤙🏽 need more people like you sir
Good job.
Thank you Julie love you.
Yo good work man.
Thank you.
I'm with you 100% as far as changing/flushing new oil through ''A NEW ENGINE'' multiple times. I believe it's a very wise, easy, & inexpensive procedure to perform. I've heard those Predator engines are ''very good'' considering how inexpensive they are, however, I'd bet you'd get the same results as far as finding all those little aluminum bits in any brand of ''new engine'' you followed that break-in procedure on. Good job & great video, Sir.
I do like the Predator engines had good luck with them thanks for the comment Sonny.
Awesome video!!
Thank you
I love the save the Tatas sticker
Thanks Zak.
Good to know! Next time I get a new engine I’ll check for metal fillings in the oil
Thanks for the comment and watching.
THANKS BIG KEV
Thank you for watching.
Wow I used Supertech conventional 10w-30 and in 10-12 minutes the oil was black every time I changed it while braking my. Predator 212cc I’m going to run Pennzoil full time after what I saw and just read about that 10w-30 yellow bottle, that oil has the best evaporation and flash point of all oils on the market including m1 all synthetics!!!!!
Thank you for the comment Pennzoil is a good oil.
Just make sure that the Pennzoil you are using is the "ULTRA PLATINUM" and not just the platinum, there is a DIFFERENCE. The tests that "Project Farm" used in his test was the "ULTRA" version. That oil does indeed have the LOWEST volatility of any oil out there. I use it in my '13 Focus because of the GDI engine, the throttle body shows VERY LITTLE oil residue, so less oil vapor is getting on the back of the intakes.
Its recommended to pop the flywheel and sideplate off and wipe as much out the case as possible and you might be surprised on how much casting sand is still stuck in the bottom,it could prematurely destroy your bearings.Nice video all in all and informative Thankyou.
Thank you for the comment Tim.
Yep. I would never run a Harbor Freight engine until after it's opened up and cleaned out.
It runs great
Thanks for watching Sam.
I ran the 212cc engine on a new pressure washer at full throttle under load for 5 hours and then changed the oil. I had no where near the metal you had on that engine. Running at low speed like that may prevent the rings from sealing properly.
Thanks for the comment Robert
Full throttle for 5 hours, definitely not a good way to break in a small engine or any engine for that matter. This break in video is probably the best I've seen yet.
The plastic bottle trick is genious!
It's an engine, not a motor. JS. Your break in is going to work great! Thank you for the video.
(Motors/electricity, Engines burn fuel)
Thanks for the comment.
Motor is a colloquial term for both.
@Seek God First Motor is now used interchangeably for both electric and combustion. Get with the program and stop giving out bad info.
Nice little kart and video! Where are you located? That has Virginia / Tennessee look about the trees!
Southwestern PA thanks for the comment.
This process has to be done on reg oil or it will always burn oil from unseated rings. Good stuff fella ! They all seem to be a bit persnickety when new eh. A pipe L is always nice to keep the mess down for sure.
That's right Thanks Tomoko's.
@BLACKSHEEP Hmm, I always do the change over on it's second oil change but let me know on how it went with yours please.
Jump up a tire size when these are done and that will really fly bud. Great fun. Wire the kill switch up to a small panel and a couple pulleys and longer pull cord to the side and you can do the stop/start from the seat eh.
That's a good idea
@@Robinson-Homestead Easy,peasy and you can leave the low oil sensor in. They are not a bad idea but the synthetic is a better sticking oil for sure.
I use oils with zinc added
Thanks a lot lovely man💋
You're welcome 😊
You forgot the directions to start it, the red knob in the front turn to on, on the side that you were trying, to start the white stays back, the throttle that you opened a little comes about all the way open or I just pull it all the way back, and the black switch on the bottom you push all the way toward the front, it will almost always start on the first or 2nd pull of the cord, when it starts push the white level to toward the front and leave it there, other than that you did good. Knowing this is an old video just added this in case someone has bought them a new replace motor, I use it on my splitter and have had no issues, this is my 2nd year using this engine, you can catch it on sale for 99.95 with the special coupon, but can almost always get it for 119.95, you can't beat this engine, its a good one.
Thanks for the comment and watching
I got my engine from Harbor freight and it had a little bit of oil in it i let it sit on new oil for 15 mins and seen no metal shavings am i good?
Was it easy to install engine on that cart? I bought the same cart yesterday. Thinking about buying the 6hp engine for it
It wasn't too hard thanks for the comment.
I use full synth on mower and generator so i dont have to change oil as much also runs a lot cooler. Did I see you somehow got a reverse gear?
No but I want one for my next build.
Go power sports sells a reverse kit
The reason they say to break it in at half throttle for a half hour is to break in the cam and lifters. These engines use a flat tappet cam. If you don’t it can damage the cam.
Paul, thanks for the info.
Great tip on break in oil change.
Thank you RDC.
How do you break in one of these motors that's a trash pump...if you dont have water in the pump housing with it running it will burn up the seal? I guess you pump water at an idle and drain it a few times like you did.
That's what I'd do thanks for the comment and watching.
Take the fill cap off before you drain the oil
Thanks
First time started? Five days ago you posted a video driving it around the yard. I'm guessing you don't post these in order??
I just posted them backwards I did the break-in first
When you break in do you fill the oil chamber to its specs or do you only use half of what the spec is?
I just fill it up.
Fyi, you can just unplug the oil shut off and plug the kill switch into it. Unless u want it completely removed.
Thanks for the info
Glad i could help.
Pull the fill plug to vent the draining
good info thanks for watching
You sound like the “Is Pat” character on SNL from the 90s
That,s a fast go-cart that was a lot of metal in the oil.is that the same motor that harbor freight sells.
Yes Danny.
Use some paint strainers so you dont waste the brandnew oil?
Good idea thanks.
They make actual break in oil, that is a throw away oil
I am replacing an old tiller engine with a predator 212 and I broke it in the way the book said to. I was wondering if this engine still going?
the predator is a good engine and you shouldn't have any problems with it.
@@Robinson-Homestead Thanks for getting back with me.
Where do I find a Go Kart like this or a little bigger For Sale without the engine?
Craigslist or Facebook.
I was changing my oil on my predator (after I broke it in) and I think I saw bits of my governor come out. Should I pull apart the engine to see whats up?
That may be a good idea Chris thanks for the comment.
@@Robinson-Homestead I took it apart and nothing major was broken but there were some white plastic pieces inside
So a magnetic dipstick would be useless in this engine because the shavings are aluminum?
thanks for watching
Maybe not completely useless. They have a cast iron sleeve for the piston. Probably wouldn't do much though.
Any reason why it took awhile to start her up in the beginning?
After the first initial startup wasn't too bad
I guess the quality control guy's at the factory. Well you know..
Thanks for watching.
Cut out a half moon cutout in the motor plate under that oil plug and the oil wiil not deflect on that plate when you drain it.
Thanks for the idea Jim.
By chance do you know the torque spec on the drain plug ?
Not sure sorry Joe.
@@Robinson-Homestead I appreciate it anyways
I almost bought a used American Express that was set up with those wheels. Then I remembered I'm a mini bike man!
Thanks for the comment and watching.
Buy 1 side cover gasket
Drain oil
Remove side cover
And wipe ALL THE FILINGS. in the the sump with a clean shop rag or microfiber cloth
Then the oil will be good & clear .
Fill with 14oz.s of a Good Synthetic Race Oil .
Good to go !
Thanks for the info Frank.
@@Robinson-Homestead thaks for your video Kevin
It's Very Noble of you to pass on knowledge to the next generation.
I had 2 harbor freight engines I did this on. Loaded with junk. Just pulled the side cover, blasted the inside with brake clean and wiped it out. Reused the gaskets. My Hisun engines on my Coleman mini bikes that I opened were very clean and didn't need it.
Rob was give it llololol
Might wanna open ur garage door some
k
Is it important to break in the motor?
Your motor will last longer.
Definitely Yes"
Engine break in is critical!
The other predator break in videos should just link back to this video.
I don't think so. Like he said in the video, there are many different break in methods that others use. This is just his way. I would never "break in" one these engines this way.
No seat belt? Why the roll cage then??
Looks
Do you really wanna be strapped in if it rolls
where did you get your seat
go power sports .com
Gotta say right off that I'm not all that paranoid about the break-in - it's a $99 motor. I would think just common sense is enough - don't stress it too hard for the first 100 hours or so, then change the oil.
Thanks for the comment.
10W-30 oil right?
S a e 30
Yes
My manual shows 10 w -30
What kind of brakes do you use?
sorry i don't remember what kind they are.
@@Robinson-Homestead are they hydrolic brakes? Disk brakes? Drum brakes?
@@juicestain2061 Drum brakes
@@Robinson-Homestead thank you
Does this motor have the governor still?
Yes.
What kind of go kart is that?
Not sure sorry.
@@Robinson-Homestead it is ok cool kart tho...hope it always puts a smile on your face
Always spring for the warranty on these predator motors, they are inconsistent. Some run great, and some are unreliable.
were did you find those wheels and tires
Gopowersports.com
Could you get away with just filtering the oil you drained out and reusing it just during brake in?
That is a good ??? not sure.
You'll be good Mann. That oil still has a lot of life in it.. just go ahead and filter twice. use a coffee filter, to make sure you get no metal shavings left in it..
Break in with conventional and it’s a few bucks a quart. Just change it a couple times and move on. I’m not sure how small the flakes are that are shed from the crankcase, but for a few bucks it’s not worth the hassle for me. Hypothetically though, it would work as long as the filtering method could get small pieces. Cheers!
Yep. Get that crap OUT as fast a one can. Like you said, Oil is cheap.. Engines not so much.
Thanks for the comment.
What kind of oil.
S A E 30
I hope people dont take your advice. The manual says break in is 3 hours, during which no heavy load, no max speed. After 20 hrs of goin easy, change oil.
Thanks for the comment
Well it is a cheap made-in-china engine. Safe to say you can break it in any way you like. I see no issue with the way Kevin did it. Probably better to change the oil every 15 minutes than to let it run with aluminum casting dust in the crank case for three hours.
are you absolutly sure about putting in gasoline and oil?
Thanks for watching
Put a Tillotson 212 Hemi on that cart' 10hp stock out the box" an it Doesn't have that low oil sensor" I have one on my Colman BT200x with a Torque Converter an it's a BEAST'
Need help
How can I help?
To tou have to start you motor for 3 hours ore not
Thanks for the comment.
its called an engine, NOT a motor !! Yes they are different, look it up.
Definition of motor (Entry 1 of 3)
1: one that imparts motionspecifically : PRIME MOVER
2: any of various power units that develop energy or impart motion: such as
a: a small compact engine
b: INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINEespecially : a gasoline engine
c: a rotating machine that transforms electrical energy into mechanical energy
3: MOTOR VEHICLEespecially : AUTOMOBILE
Who cares?! It's not like we don't know what he is talking about smh sum people must have boring lives 😂
Yeah Jason and in your video your running a smoky engine in a not so open area wearing flip flops and smoking a cigarette I think ill take my advice from Kevin thank you
can you just write out the instructions for breaking the engine so i dont have to watch the video for 21 minutes. thanks
Thanks for watching Cody
You don’t have to take the oil sensor out you just disconnect it
Thanks for the information.
You will always see metal flakes in the oil. I know that for a fact because I use those engines quite a bit and believe me when they are on a go kart and it’s under a load you will get a lot of metal shavings. There is no way around it because they are a cheap Chinese lock offHonda
Thanks for the information and for watching.