I did the same test last night. Two trangia stoves and my new Pathfinder. Trangia had higher flames, but burned out in under half an hour. Pathfinder burned out after about one hour forty five min. Of course it had more fuel. I was mainly testing flame height. Both had their strong points. If you want a quick boil then go trangia. If you need sustained flame for slower cooking go Pathfinder. I don't think you can say which is better until you do a longevity test. Both seem well built. BTW.... The Pathfinder must have wicking in the inner wall. I looked down three holes when new and saw some kind of fiber. Don't think it could draw a flame on perimeter without wicking to supply vapor.
Thank you for doing the PF & Trangia side-by-side review. Especially since you're starting out with new burners for each. Fewer variables that can affect results. Good point about grades of SS. Applies to corrosion resistance. "Cheap", for lack of a better term, SS will rust/corrode. Thus, quality is important in situations where the SS is supposed to be non-reactive. Suspect the slow bloom time, reported by others on the PF, is due to their ambient temperature compared to your lab. One way to confirm, may be to set burners & a bottle of fuel in a pan of cold water (or a refrigerator). Once chilled to x degrees (say 35F) compare bloom times. While I could easily be wrong, suspect mass & metal type, in relationship to ambient temperature has a direct bearing on performance comparison between these 2 burners. Looking forward to seeing what your next tests reveal. Appreciate your time & effort, that's for sure.
Morning Hiram I just wanted to ask if you know why the Trangia burners are Known as "mini Trangias" in the USA. Here in the UK we just call them Trangia burners and I've never heard of any larger Trangia burners.
@@ebikecnx7239 Hiram calls em 'mini' because the first one he got was part of the 'mini Trangia cookset'. It's not the burner that is the mini, it's the set. He just kept calling it the mini out of habit, but there is no such thing as a Trangia mini burner. The Swedish army burner is not a Trangia product.
Glad you are playing with the PF stove. Confirms my suspicions already. Heavy, with a long run time and slow bloom and boil times. I'd love to see a boil test, though. Thanks.
I suspect the size, material and fuel capacity of the PF burner will keep the small flame from being able to heat all that mass up to get the same flame of the Trangia. A can of Sterno will burn for a long time but doesn't boil water in a timely manner. Perhaps the PF stove will be more similar to Sterno performance than Trangia performance. If that makes any sense. Thanks for the great job testing these burners Hiram you rock.
Hiram, received mine a couple-three days after seeing your initial video - there were a few strings of unknown material sticking out of the holes. There is a liner of some sort in there. The strings burned off on initial lighting. Today I'll do my sixth burn. Mine seems to get a little faster bloom each time I light it. Had it blow out once from the wind with the "stove" off - never with the "stove" on. After a lengthy burn - the base gets *very* hot, just takes longer than my trangias.
very interesting comparision, thank You Hiram! that deep yellow flame colour in the first moments could indicate any extra carbon content what may result from any manufacturing residues at a burner (maybe traces of any oils or so). If so it should disappear soon resp. not show up in future. This long burning time doesn't say much to me as long as I cannot compare the resulting heat transfer to the liquids to be boiled. So far I guess the Trangia has much more flame and heat output, so I expect also a longer time to boil in case of the PF stove. But there are still so many unknown factors since the burner only doesn't make the setup ... means pot stand and so on are also important. That's why I'm looking forward to see Your boiling test ... ;-) Btw to fix the pot stand around the stove is a great idea, I know and like it from the Swiss M71. But what I miss on the PF pot stand are those noses or flaps of the M71 stand, which allow to put there also smaller diameter things such as e.g. metal bottles without using further sticks or grills etc.
I have heard the transit is not meant to "burn out" that,that is what causes theme to crack,leak,etc. that you are suppose to snuff them out,let them cool down and then put the lid on. just a thought for testing
Great video. I'd like to see both stoves filled with fuel and put in the freezer over night and see how hard they are to start. I'd also like to see a leak test done on it. Maybe fill with fuel, and tip them both upside down on a paper towel or something or weigh them both before and after being upside down for a week or so. See if any fuel slowly leaks out and evaporates before it's noticed leaking.
Another great video Hiram. I don't know if it would be possible but it would be interesting to see the exact same stove tested with the only variance the metal (stainless steel, titanium, bronze). Like a head to head to see the differences in burn times, boil times,... Again thanks for all your time, and what you do for the community!
The coming up to "bloom" times were not that different, because the Trangia had burned for several seconds before you lit the Pathfinder stove. I have that same model of Pathfinder spirits stove and mine lights relatively quick...just like your result or better. I also like the larger capacity reservoir of the Pathfinder stove.
I think if there was any real benefit to a larger steel burner, trangia would probably have made one 30 years ago. Trangia is the gold standard. There are lighter burners, hotter burners and more efficient burners, but few which offer such a well thought out combination of compromises, it's very hard to beat IMO.
@@lane8a "hey do have a military one that's bigger" I know, I've got one. Got it with a Swedish mess kit years ago. It's bigger and it's heavier and it has a larger capacity ...but it takes longer to bloom and is not as efficient ...and it's bigger and it's heavier. Designed to be soldier proof and to last longer between refills ...and may be more efficient in arctic conditions ...i haven't tested that. But in my climate and for my use, it's a downgrade from the regular commercial version.
the trangia is putting out more but. the yellow flame is indecisive of a less efficient burn of the alcohol. or so it was in my lsbatory glass blowing days.
Perhaps you should measure the fuel level in distance from the top as opposed to a measurement in ounces. I think that would result in a better comparison of the two burners. If two ounces puts the fuel level at a 1/2" from the top on the Trangia put enough fuel in the stainless knock off to bring the fuel level up to a 1/2" from the top.
Hiram, How is the seal on the Pathfinder lid? One thing I like about my Trangia is the non sealed extinguisher cap. I would worry that without this on the Pathfinder, it would damage the seal. Thanks again for another great review! Paulie Walnuts
Hi Hiram- Regarding the improvement in performance after a few burns... Sometimes when manufacturing a woven cloth material, they apply a 'sizing' (think of something like starch) to assist the handling of the woven material. Perhaps the several burns have successfully wicked out all of the sizing in the cloth (out with the alcohol and burned up) leaving the wovem material more open or clean for improved wicking?
Hi Hiram, greetings from The Lake District, England. I have got a Pathfinder canteen grill top stove Mk 2 (The newest type which is taller) and have used it with the mini Trangia burner, but I would really like to know how the grill top stove performance compares when used with the Pathfinder alcohol stove? The Pathfinder alcohol stove is taller than the trangia so I'm wondering if this will improve performance. Also, if the Pathfinder stove was filled to capacity how long would it burn continuously? Thanks for all your videos, I love them.
As far as the quality of the stainless steel, I have heard the 300 series has less nickel than the 400 series. The nickel inhibits the magnetic properties of the iron, thus the more nickel, the less magnetic the metal is. Nickel is less corrosive, thus the "better quality" label for 400 SS.
Have decided mine is a keeper, primarily due to the very long burn time. Won't toss my trangia's but liking this one's handiness when it comes time to set a spell and relax. (I want quality time more than distance traveled). In California this year, seems like we have spent more time under campfire restrictions than not. Of course, now I'm going to be interested in a source for replacement "O" rings of the type in it - looks almost like some I have seen in gasoline cans.
Hello Mr. Cook I received my new replacement pathfinder stove today. I started doing the breakin burn 23 minutes ago in both the old and replacement one and the jets still haven’t taken off. I followed their steps as directed in their video and no joy. What’s the liner your talking about your video is a few years old and maybe they changed the configuration today is 24 Jan 19. Any suggestions?
hello Hiram, i have a little problems with the english language, an to read all the comments and questions :-), so i ask without reading all 84.... did you ever test the burntime of a full Pathfinder burner? The slow burn, can be also very good if longer burntime is needed, for heating or temperating my small tipi tent during the evening, for sure not for the night, i know...co less oxigen and so on, but for making a nice temperature for an hour would be extremly nice, without refill.... :-)thanks.... Hans
Hiram, thanks for the great videos. You mention in a few of the videos that the brass stove can crack, but I seem to have missed an explanation for why. Can you help? Thank you. Dan
I'd guess because of the heat conductivity, the Trangia boiled off more fuel during it's burn than the cooler burning PF stove. You could see the difference in the flames of the two stoves.
The Trangia burned up its fuel faster because it had a much larger flame, whereas the Pathfinder took allot longer to burn up its fuel because of its smaller flame. This probably translates into faster cook times for the Trangia????? I'm also wondering if the Pathfinders size, its stainless steel make up, and less holes acts like a regulator on the flame.
Thanks for doing comparison. As has already been mentioned a comparison boil test would be great. Also do you have a way to measure the BTU's? Also could you measure the temps on the units as they burn. Thanks again
Hi Hiram - I just subscribed, and I've really enjoyed your videos! I like your style of presentation a lot. It's like that really cool uncle you have that when he talks, you'd better listen because you're about to learn something. :) I was wondering if you could please do a boil test using the Trangia and Pathfinder stoves, using your hardware cloth pot stands, with each pot in the "sweet spot" of 1" above the top of the stove? I'm interested in the boil times, and fuel consumed. Thanks for all of your hard work, and enjoyable videos!!!
The stainless burner would probably end up being a much better burner for actual cooking whereas the Trangia is clearly better to boil water much faster but demands to use of the dampener to cook most items.
Hi Again Hiram. Could you try a test with only a small amount of alcohol in the stove. I believe this stove is designed to hold enough fuel for a two day trip or longer. As your trip progresses the fuel level will progressively reduce. In my experience the stove becomes more and more difficult to light - it simply keeps going out. I would love to have your opinion. Thanks.
In my experience, lower fuel in the pathfinder actually burns better than when it's full. I believe that's because the large amount of empty space along with the heat in a pathfinder stove causes the alchohol to evaporate and burn easier when the fuel reaches the burn ports. Also it takes along time to heat up the alchohol enough to evaporate but with lower fuel there is less material to heat up
+Kev Harvey They look expensive but I guess if you can afford a boat that needs an alcohol stove like this, then money is no object. There are several much cheaper alcohol stoves that can be used indoors, unless you need an alcohol stove that gimbals.
Yes very expensive , Im actually looking for alternative cooking facility for home use and so far have only found the origo 6000 range. And the and the salsa stoves ,. Six of one . Half dozen of other ! Thought I'd give the purest a try in the hope you my have a tip for me . Ok sir . Shan't stuff your comment box any longer with my waffle . Again . Thanks for Great , informative channel . Regards
Hiram; the boil test will tell the truth about this stove. The person commenting that the PF took 6 minutes to bloom; I know where they got that because I watched the same video on another YouTubr channel. What those people did was just pour alcohol in the stove and light it. You let the alvohol sit for a couple hours before lighting it. With the speed it bloomed14-20 seconds It would be a safe bet that the Stove has a wick inside. The stoves I make have no wicks and if you light the fuel inside the stove and wait for a bloom; the stoves take 17-22 seconds to bloom, and 1/4 oz aluminum gets hot a lot faster than 4-8 OZs of stainless steel. Would you weigh the stove empty? I have not been able to find that piece of info.
Not anymore lol as far as thr of performance mine had done a great job cold windy conditions in Oregon and boiled to a roaring boil 22 ounces of cold water in 11 minutes. That's good enough for me.
@@davidbermudez4072 The performance of mine has been very poor. If your's is working good they must have had enough negative reviews that they somehow improved it's internals. I have been trying to get a refund on mine for a few years. I finally gave up and they never bothered to reply to me.
@@robertmaxwell3220 I own both. The army surplus are no longer in production, and yes more than a little hard to find. But that doesn’t make the standard burner everyone uses, which is overall a more flexible and arguably better burner featuring all the innovations through the years, and comes with the standard trangia kits, a “mini” version all of a sudden. It’s in the main production line and has been in it’s current form for decades and decades. Nobody calls it a mini and it was never advertised as such. The army one was produced from 64-76 and was always an aside to the development of the main product line, which still existed during those years. If anything the Swedish army version is the odd one out, and people including you tend to call it “the bigger army version” because it’s noticeably big compared to standard to suit specific tactical military purposes which may not generally be an advantage. If I remember correctly you can’t even fit it properly into most of the standard products.
Not a very good, out of the box showing for the Pathfinder burner. Maybe it will get better, but I doubt it will improve very much with use. It might help it to have some thermal feedback from a cooking pot and windscreen though. The size bothers me a bit. It's too large to work with many of the cooking systems designed to use Trangia style burners. So looks like you're stuck using that cheap perforated steel pot stand or building something yourself. I'm also skeptical about how it will preform in cold weather, although if it does have an internal wick it might do better than I'm assuming. If there isn't any wicking, I bet it's a real chore to start on a cold morning. Did you say it came without any instructions? I'm wondering how they recommend extinguishing the flame with a simmer ring/snuffer. Maybe you're just supposed to blow it out.
Save your money and get the Trangia instead of the Chinese made Pathfinder. I bought one and I would never consider it for cooking at all. I wish they would give me my money back.
Hiram calls it a "Mini" to distinguish it from the larger Trangia/Svea burner that came with the Swiss Army Mess Kit. He talks about it in some of his earlier videos.
Yes Bobby, they call that set (not the burner) "mini". But let's finish the discussion. The topic is not that important. Instead of wasting our time in endless discussions let's watch the next of Hiram's wonderful videos.
+effyleven Pathfinder was kind enough to give me 2 replacement stoves at no charge. But when the last stove failed, all hope was lost. Perhaps it is because we use Methyl Hydrate for stove fuel in Canada. I had the same problem once before with a Zelph stove.
Trangia works best in a wider range of conditions. The Pathfinder stove looks like it would take 40 min to boil water if there is a slight breeze or a bit of a chill.
I did the same test last night. Two trangia stoves and my new Pathfinder. Trangia had higher flames, but burned out in under half an hour. Pathfinder burned out after about one hour forty five min. Of course it had more fuel. I was mainly testing flame height. Both had their strong points. If you want a quick boil then go trangia. If you need sustained flame for slower cooking go Pathfinder. I don't think you can say which is better until you do a longevity test. Both seem well built. BTW.... The Pathfinder must have wicking in the inner wall. I looked down three holes when new and saw some kind of fiber. Don't think it could draw a flame on perimeter without wicking to supply vapor.
Thank you for doing the PF & Trangia side-by-side review. Especially since you're starting out with new burners for each. Fewer variables that can affect results. Good point about grades of SS. Applies to corrosion resistance. "Cheap", for lack of a better term, SS will rust/corrode. Thus, quality is important in situations where the SS is supposed to be non-reactive.
Suspect the slow bloom time, reported by others on the PF, is due to their ambient temperature compared to your lab. One way to confirm, may be to set burners & a bottle of fuel in a pan of cold water (or a refrigerator). Once chilled to x degrees (say 35F) compare bloom times. While I could easily be wrong, suspect mass & metal type, in relationship to ambient temperature has a direct bearing on performance comparison between these 2 burners.
Looking forward to seeing what your next tests reveal. Appreciate your time & effort, that's for sure.
Morning Hiram
I just wanted to ask if you know why the Trangia burners are Known as "mini Trangias" in the USA. Here in the UK we just call them Trangia burners and I've never heard of any larger Trangia burners.
Because of the larger military version by Trangia and SVEA from the 1960s Swedish army mess kit set.
@@ebikecnx7239 Hiram calls em 'mini' because the first one he got was part of the 'mini Trangia cookset'. It's not the burner that is the mini, it's the set. He just kept calling it the mini out of habit, but there is no such thing as a Trangia mini burner. The Swedish army burner is not a Trangia product.
Glad you are playing with the PF stove. Confirms my suspicions already. Heavy, with a long run time and slow bloom and boil times. I'd love to see a boil test, though. Thanks.
I suspect the size, material and fuel capacity of the PF burner will keep the small flame from being able to heat all that mass up to get the same flame of the Trangia. A can of Sterno will burn for a long time but doesn't boil water in a timely manner. Perhaps the PF stove will be more similar to Sterno performance than Trangia performance. If that makes any sense. Thanks for the great job testing these burners Hiram you rock.
I know I'm late coming in on this subject but I think you hit the nail right on the head
Hiram, received mine a couple-three days after seeing your initial video - there were a few strings of unknown material sticking out of the holes. There is a liner of some sort in there. The strings burned off on initial lighting. Today I'll do my sixth burn. Mine seems to get a little faster bloom each time I light it. Had it blow out once from the wind with the "stove" off - never with the "stove" on. After a lengthy burn - the base gets *very* hot, just takes longer than my trangias.
Thank you for doing your homework. I just purchased the Pathfinder and I'm glad I did. Good video mate.
very interesting comparision, thank You Hiram!
that deep yellow flame colour in the first moments could indicate any extra carbon content what may result from any manufacturing residues at a burner (maybe traces of any oils or so). If so it should disappear soon resp. not show up in future.
This long burning time doesn't say much to me as long as I cannot compare the resulting heat transfer to the liquids to be boiled. So far I guess the Trangia has much more flame and heat output, so I expect also a longer time to boil in case of the PF stove. But there are still so many unknown factors since the burner only doesn't make the setup ... means pot stand and so on are also important. That's why I'm looking forward to see Your boiling test ... ;-)
Btw to fix the pot stand around the stove is a great idea, I know and like it from the Swiss M71. But what I miss on the PF pot stand are those noses or flaps of the M71 stand, which allow to put there also smaller diameter things such as e.g. metal bottles without using further sticks or grills etc.
I have heard the transit is not meant to "burn out" that,that is what causes theme to crack,leak,etc. that you are suppose to snuff them out,let them cool down and then put the lid on. just a thought for testing
+MikeSr39 You are correct. That's how I use mine.
Great video. I'd like to see both stoves filled with fuel and put in the freezer over night and see how hard they are to start.
I'd also like to see a leak test done on it. Maybe fill with fuel, and tip them both upside down on a paper towel or something or weigh them both before and after being upside down for a week or so. See if any fuel slowly leaks out and evaporates before it's noticed leaking.
Another great video Hiram. I don't know if it would be possible but it would be interesting to see the exact same stove tested with the only variance the metal (stainless steel, titanium, bronze). Like a head to head to see the differences in burn times, boil times,... Again thanks for all your time, and what you do for the community!
The coming up to "bloom" times were not that different, because the Trangia had burned for several seconds before you lit the Pathfinder stove. I have that same model of Pathfinder spirits stove and mine lights relatively quick...just like your result or better. I also like the larger capacity reservoir of the Pathfinder stove.
Ive noticed having a pot anout 1 inch over the flame seems to help it bloom faster.
I see as the video progressed you did confirm it is David Cantiburys burner
I think if there was any real benefit to a larger steel burner, trangia would probably have made one 30 years ago. Trangia is the gold standard. There are lighter burners, hotter burners and more efficient burners, but few which offer such a well thought out combination of compromises, it's very hard to beat IMO.
dog's bollocks of burners
They do have a military one that's bigger
It's the cat's meow of burners, the Trangia.
@@lane8a "hey do have a military one that's bigger"
I know, I've got one. Got it with a Swedish mess kit years ago. It's bigger and it's heavier and it has a larger capacity ...but it takes longer to bloom and is not as efficient ...and it's bigger and it's heavier. Designed to be soldier proof and to last longer between refills ...and may be more efficient in arctic conditions ...i haven't tested that. But in my climate and for my use, it's a downgrade from the regular commercial version.
the trangia is putting out more but. the yellow flame is indecisive of a less efficient burn of the alcohol. or so it was in my lsbatory glass blowing days.
Perhaps you should measure the fuel level in distance from the top as opposed to a measurement in ounces. I think that would result in a better comparison of the two burners. If two ounces puts the fuel level at a 1/2" from the top on the Trangia put enough fuel in the stainless knock off to bring the fuel level up to a 1/2" from the top.
Hiram,
How is the seal on the Pathfinder lid? One thing I like about my Trangia is the non sealed extinguisher cap. I would worry that without this on the Pathfinder, it would damage the seal.
Thanks again for another great review!
Paulie Walnuts
Hi Hiram- Regarding the improvement in performance after a few burns... Sometimes when manufacturing a woven cloth material, they apply a 'sizing' (think of something like starch) to assist the handling of the woven material. Perhaps the several burns have successfully wicked out all of the sizing in the cloth (out with the alcohol and burned up) leaving the wovem material more open or clean for improved wicking?
Good video. Thanks Hiram.
Hi Hiram
How long does the Pathfinder Alcohol Burner last if full
Thanks Colin
Odd how the website says 20 min bun time but my one lasts over 2 hours full
Is the pathfinder burner from David Cantiburys pathfinders group
Hi Hiram, greetings from The Lake District, England. I have got a Pathfinder canteen grill top stove Mk 2 (The newest type which is taller) and have used it with the mini Trangia burner, but I would really like to know how the grill top stove performance compares when used with the Pathfinder alcohol stove? The Pathfinder alcohol stove is taller than the trangia so I'm wondering if this will improve performance.
Also, if the Pathfinder stove was filled to capacity how long would it burn continuously?
Thanks for all your videos, I love them.
I think my Tatonka is great midle comprimize between Pathfinder and Trangia
This is a great video. So here's my question: Which do you think is the better stove? The Pathfinder SS stove or the Out-D stainless steel stove?
As far as the quality of the stainless steel, I have heard the 300 series has less nickel than the 400 series. The nickel inhibits the magnetic properties of the iron, thus the more nickel, the less magnetic the metal is. Nickel is less corrosive, thus the "better quality" label for 400 SS.
Have decided mine is a keeper, primarily due to the very long burn time. Won't toss my trangia's but liking this one's handiness when it comes time to set a spell and relax. (I want quality time more than distance traveled). In California this year, seems like we have spent more time under campfire restrictions than not. Of course, now I'm going to be interested in a source for replacement "O" rings of the type in it - looks almost like some I have seen in gasoline cans.
That's some run time on 2 fl/oz. I'm tempted to see how good it is in a boil test alongside a Trangia.
If you notice there is like a dish around the top of the trangia. Put some alcohol in it and light it. The trangia will fire up faster.
How common is it for Trangias to crack and why is it they do crack
Hello Mr. Cook I received my new replacement pathfinder stove today. I started doing the breakin burn 23 minutes ago in both the old and replacement one and the jets still haven’t taken off. I followed their steps as directed in their video and no joy. What’s the liner your talking about your video is a few years old and maybe they changed the configuration today is 24 Jan 19. Any suggestions?
hello Hiram, i have a little problems with the english language, an to read all the comments and questions :-), so i ask without reading all 84.... did you ever test the burntime of a full Pathfinder burner? The slow burn, can be also very good if longer burntime is needed, for heating or temperating my small tipi tent during the evening, for sure not for the night, i know...co less oxigen and so on, but for making a nice temperature for an hour would be extremly nice, without refill.... :-)thanks.... Hans
Hiram, thanks for the great videos. You mention in a few of the videos that the brass stove can crack, but I seem to have missed an explanation for why. Can you help? Thank you. Dan
I'd guess because of the heat conductivity, the Trangia boiled off more fuel during it's burn than the cooler burning PF stove. You could see the difference in the flames of the two stoves.
The Trangia burned up its fuel faster because it had a much larger flame, whereas the Pathfinder took allot longer to burn up its fuel because of its smaller flame. This probably translates into faster cook times for the Trangia?????
I'm also wondering if the Pathfinders size, its stainless steel make up, and less holes acts like a regulator on the flame.
Trangia figured out a long time ago that brass conducts heat better than stainless. The pathfinder would be better for simmering/slow cooking.
The Trangia had a larger flame, therefore burning the fuel faster. The lower flame on the Pathfinder burns the same amount of fuel slower...
Thanks for doing comparison. As has already been mentioned a comparison boil test would be great. Also do you have a way to measure the BTU's? Also could you measure the temps on the units as they burn.
Thanks again
Hi Hiram - I just subscribed, and I've really enjoyed your videos! I like your style of presentation a lot. It's like that really cool uncle you have that when he talks, you'd better listen because you're about to learn something. :)
I was wondering if you could please do a boil test using the Trangia and Pathfinder stoves, using your hardware cloth pot stands, with each pot in the "sweet spot" of 1" above the top of the stove? I'm interested in the boil times, and fuel consumed.
Thanks for all of your hard work, and enjoyable videos!!!
Appears to need more holes and wider base of hole.. when you measure across the burner is the PF stove smaller? will the same lid work?
lids wont interchange trangia lid slips past the threads on the PF burner
The stainless burner would probably end up being a much better burner for actual cooking whereas the Trangia is clearly better to boil water much faster but demands to use of the dampener to cook most items.
Hi Again Hiram. Could you try a test with only a small amount of alcohol in the stove. I believe this stove is designed to hold enough fuel for a two day trip or longer. As your trip progresses the fuel level will progressively reduce. In my experience the stove becomes more and more difficult to light - it simply keeps going out. I would love to have your opinion. Thanks.
In my experience, lower fuel in the pathfinder actually burns better than when it's full. I believe that's because the large amount of empty space along with the heat in a pathfinder stove causes the alchohol to evaporate and burn easier when the fuel reaches the burn ports. Also it takes along time to heat up the alchohol enough to evaporate but with lower fuel there is less material to heat up
Hi Hiram, does the Esbit alcohol burner have a liner?
Hello Mr Cook . Love your very informative vids , and am very curious about your opinion of the origo range of alcohol Stoves ?
+Kev Harvey They look expensive but I guess if you can afford a boat that needs an alcohol stove like this, then money is no object. There are several much cheaper alcohol stoves that can be used indoors, unless you need an alcohol stove that gimbals.
Thanks!
I like Hirams description to be over technical
Just pour a dab of alcohol AROUND the top of stove and it fires right up
Yes very expensive , Im actually looking for alternative cooking facility for home use and so far have only found the origo 6000 range. And the and the salsa stoves ,. Six of one . Half dozen of other ! Thought I'd give the purest a try in the hope you my have a tip for me . Ok sir . Shan't stuff your comment box any longer with my waffle . Again . Thanks for Great , informative channel .
Regards
Well, if the trangia is burning higher, Means hotter, And will use alcohol faster. For most of the test, the Pathfinders stove looked weak.
Hiram; the boil test will tell the truth about this stove.
The person commenting that the PF took 6 minutes to bloom; I know where they got that because I watched the same video on another YouTubr channel.
What those people did was just pour alcohol in the stove and light it. You let the alvohol sit for a couple hours before lighting it.
With the speed it bloomed14-20 seconds It would be a safe bet that the Stove has a wick inside.
The stoves I make have no wicks and if you light the fuel inside the stove and wait for a bloom; the stoves take 17-22 seconds to bloom, and 1/4 oz aluminum gets hot a lot faster than 4-8 OZs of stainless steel.
Would you weigh the stove empty? I have not been able to find that piece of info.
Revisiting your videos sir cause i needs frequient reviews
Of course it keeps on going. You get more flame from a Bic lighter. I wouldn't brag about run, when thats how it ran
that's a long burn there... I coukd sear a steak on that pathfinder
You can buy 3 Trangia's for the price of 1 Pathfinder. I have a Pathfinder and I am very disappointed with it's lack of performance.
Not anymore lol as far as thr of performance mine had done a great job cold windy conditions in Oregon and boiled to a roaring boil 22 ounces of cold water in 11 minutes. That's good enough for me.
@@davidbermudez4072 The performance of mine has been very poor. If your's is working good they must have had enough negative reviews that they somehow improved it's internals. I have been trying to get a refund on mine for a few years. I finally gave up and they never bothered to reply to me.
That sucks man sorry to hear that.
@@davidbermudez4072 No big deal. I did learn a lesson though.
What's "mini" about the trangia burner, it's the standard issue ...
If you poke around ar.y surplus stores,there's a military version a little bigger,but don't think as big as pathfinder.
@@robertmaxwell3220 I own both. The army surplus are no longer in production, and yes more than a little hard to find. But that doesn’t make the standard burner everyone uses, which is overall a more flexible and arguably better burner featuring all the innovations through the years, and comes with the standard trangia kits, a “mini” version all of a sudden.
It’s in the main production line and has been in it’s current form for decades and decades. Nobody calls it a mini and it was never advertised as such.
The army one was produced from 64-76 and was always an aside to the development of the main product line, which still existed during those years.
If anything the Swedish army version is the odd one out, and people including you tend to call it “the bigger army version” because it’s noticeably big compared to standard to suit specific tactical military purposes which may not generally be an advantage.
If I remember correctly you can’t even fit it properly into most of the standard products.
Not a very good, out of the box showing for the Pathfinder burner. Maybe it will get better, but I doubt it will improve very much with use. It might help it to have some thermal feedback from a cooking pot and windscreen though.
The size bothers me a bit. It's too large to work with many of the cooking systems designed to use Trangia style burners. So looks like you're stuck using that cheap perforated steel pot stand or building something yourself.
I'm also skeptical about how it will preform in cold weather, although if it does have an internal wick it might do better than I'm assuming. If there isn't any wicking, I bet it's a real chore to start on a cold morning.
Did you say it came without any instructions? I'm wondering how they recommend extinguishing the flame with a simmer ring/snuffer. Maybe you're just supposed to blow it out.
Save your money and get the Trangia instead of the Chinese made Pathfinder. I bought one and I would never consider it for cooking at all. I wish they would give me my money back.
Hiram, I have to correct you. The Trangia is NOT named "mini".
Hiram calls it a "Mini" to distinguish it from the larger Trangia/Svea burner that came with the Swiss Army Mess Kit. He talks about it in some of his earlier videos.
But there is no need to invent a nonexisting "mini", Dirk. We can call them the Trangia burner an the Swedish army model.
Here's what Trangia calls their burners.
www.trangia.se/english/2924.mini_trangia.html
Yes Bobby, they call that set (not the burner) "mini". But let's finish the discussion. The topic is not that important. Instead of wasting our time in endless discussions let's watch the next of Hiram's wonderful videos.
However, mini Trangia is not "nonexisting" as you claim.
Love the hat, stolen from maine state prison LOL Priceless
Im sticking with the Trangia.......theyv'e been making this stuff for years.The Pathfinder burns dirty by the looks of it
Pathfinder stove is cheap Chinese junk. I went through 3 of them, all failed. I was lucky enough to find a 4 ounce fuel capacity Tatonka stove.
+Paul Gibson
I am intrigued. Was two failed Pathfinder stoves not enough to prevent you buying a third one?
+effyleven Pathfinder was kind enough to give me 2 replacement stoves at no charge. But when the last stove failed, all hope was lost. Perhaps it is because we use Methyl Hydrate for stove fuel in Canada. I had the same problem once before with a Zelph stove.
Paul Gibson Good answer. Thank you for taking time to provide it.
Don't be over technical that id
Trangia works best in a wider range of conditions. The Pathfinder stove looks like it would take 40 min to boil water if there is a slight breeze or a bit of a chill.
trangia
Stop waffling and get to the point....
Neil Pope Who? Hiram? I like his on-going thought processes myself. You could always make your own videos...
Stop talking, your making a video, show don’t tell us, a picture is worth a 1000 words! Shalom!