Hiram, I´m a former army captain that used to work in the Swedish arctic brigade. One thing we taught the soldiers was a variant of your "lid burner" at the end of the video. Take the lid of the Trangia burner, remove the rubber ring and add some fuel in the lid. Dig/scrape a small hole in the ground so that the top of the lid is about flush with the ground. Light the fuel and then place the rest of the Trangia set above it. The burner will go into "after burner mode". It will use more fuel and one need to be wary of the much larger flame. We pretty much only used it if we wanted to quickly boil water. As you know, the main issue in the winter is the temperature of the fuel. In our kits we had one large 1l fuel bottle and one small bottle, like a nip(?) flask. That was meant to be worn inside our clothing to warm up the fuel. Worked well, but we seldom wore it that way for obvious "military" reasons. No reason to not do it for civilian use, at least when one nears dinner time. :) Just wanted to share some anecdotes. :)
Spill a bit liquid outside of the Trangia and start the fire. That is far enough of pre-heating. The burner is that cheap that you can afford after 30/50 usage a new one. But till - 20 C there is no pre-heating at all.
Candle works too. But warm liquid is a lot safer to play around with. Even -10C alcohol is a bit cold if you spill some on fingers. -30C and you could lose a finger if at remote location.
@@jepulis6674 don’t you mean candle is safer than the liquid fuel? Personally I have a DIY Kojin stove. Só thing I can put it right under the trangia. I light the bottom one with the simmer ring fully close on the trangia - only a little vapor evaporates and I light that. When the bottom runs out just remove the simmer acessory and cook and repeat if needed.
I’ve basically just invented this idea today! Was thinking of writing to trangia to say ‘why don’t you make one of these?’. Then I stumble on this video and feel a bit stupid!
This is why you are the go to guy when it comes to stoves. You make and publish a video to explain another video from two days ago. The Firebox Stove Gen 2 is also coming out with modifications based on your suggestions for the trangia burners. Keep it up man, we all love your videos.
Hi Hiram, I saw a guy on TH-cam making a wick of toilet paper (rolled it as s thin wick) and lighted it in the middle of the Trangia. It was in minus temperature and it worked flawlessly. In this case you don't need a winterburner at all. To isolate between snow/ice and the burner is a good idea with any alcohol stove I should think.
Never noticed grooves on one before... I'm sure you have tried this but I use a 2" disc of carbon felt under it with a "highly modified" Westwind for large pot/skillet. It's not a MoJo but works way better that the unmodified version. Less of a heat sink. Thanks Hiram!BTW, found the winter attachment version on amazon for 22 bucks.
when i am out in winter for more than 2 or 3 nights in the norwegian mountains, i use an old can to preheat the trangia burner. i take some tea lights with me, 1-2 for a day. the can is the size that the trangia burner fits exactly into it like into the original stove so it can hang into the tin can. i made some holes into the can at two different levels, so the flame of a tea light has enough air to burn. and then i use to trangia burners, and while one is burning to melt snow/boil the water the other one gets preheated over the tea light can. so u never have any problems to light the alcohol. and if you have to melt a lot of snow u can work very easy with it. the other point is, u have a bit of light and warmth in the tent with the tea lights.
"Winter Burner" sounds like a great name for a Weatherperson on a local news channel. Let's go now to Winter Burner and find out what the weather will be like for this weekends big tractor pull!
Here in China, you can buy a sort of electrical heat mat which works off a USB battery bank- it's designed more for gas canisters, which have their own problems when it goes below 0c, but I reckon it would work. Keep the battery in a pocket so it doesn't go flat in the cold, obviously. We've never needed it- coldest we ever camped in was -6c here in NE China, but might grab one if/ when we repatriate to the UK.
Can't you just add some alcohol onto the indented ring on the top of the trangia stove to prime it? It always works for me to add alcohol to the flat portion, light it, and it blooms pretty quick. that is a happy dog!
The winter burner will work with the triangle but you can’t pull it down as much and it doesn’t work as well. But let’s not forget you can warm the burner in your hands.
try it with the Redcamp pot stand. The lip between the 'burner cone' and the outside of the trangia body has a slight depression. place a few drops of alcohol on that groove and light it. Should accomplish the same preheating.
Save yourself the weight and the hassle and just add a little extra fuel around the outside rim to pre heat the burner I live in Scotland it’s alwayst cold here my burner works fine I’ve had I’d down to -10c. With no lighting or burning issues
Hi Hiram, great channel. Love the films you make. :-) quick question if I may please? I use the trangia burner in a firebox nano. Do you know if it will still fit in the nano firebox with the winter attachment on?
you could use the mojo if you prop the corners up on somethin solid that should give you the space needed, i'm sure there's a couple of rocks that would work laying around camp?
i'm sure you could find three flat rocks that would be stable with a little look around if not a couple pieces of wood, it's not like it's gonna be there for decades
If you use the yellow bottle of HEET fuel line antifreeze in the winter with a trangia or esbit burner does it work better than regular alcohol or does the type of fuel not matter???
I tested yellow heet at 15F last night and it worked great in the trangia. yellow heet will be my winter trangia fuel. fyi - my experiment at 15f with white gas in the trangia was a failure. white gas had too big of a flame.
Yellow Heet is just an expensive brand of "regular alcohol" which is properly called methyl hydrate (aka methanol). See outdoors.stackexchange.com/a/20057/11563
Martin Feuchtwanger Three types of alcohol are commonly available, in the USA. I don’t know about the rest of the world. 1. Ethanol, aka ethyl alcohol. This comes in different versions. a. Denatured alcohol and the confusingly named methylated spirits. These contain something to make them toxic, usually a few % methanol. b. grain alcohol including the brand name”Everclear”. These contain 10% water. 2. Isopropanol aka Isopropyl alcohol a. Sold as a disinfectant with 9% or 30% water added. b. Red HEET contains 1.5% other unidentified, chemicals. 3. Methanol aka methanol, Yellow HEET is methanol. These have different boiling temperatures and vapor pressure curves. Methanol has the lowest boiling point and generates the most vapor at any temperature. Isopropanol has the highest boiling point and generates the least vapor at any temperature. Ethanol is in between. Adding water causes any of these to generate less alcohol vapor at any temperature, and of course water does not burn. In addition, evaporating water absorbs some of the heat generated by burning alcohol. Based on their fundamental characteristics, methanol should be the easiest to light and quickest to “bloom” in a Trangia at very low temperatures. It is possible the methanol makes too much vapor for a Trangia to operate well at very high ambient temperatures. I haven’t seen anyone address the question of suitable Trangia fuel at very high ambient temperature.
Can somebody please tell me which one is better redcamp or trangia? Please if you are an aficionado of the trangia don’t respond. I want to know the difference. I have seen videos with the trangia last less And burns hot using more liquid.
Yes sir RedCamp mini alcohol stove. I have her is exactly the same but then they start talking about they don’t know what’s inside they know what’s inside the trangia because someone opened it but nobody dares to open the redcamp because I’m afraid that it’s going to be the same and people are very fanatic of the trangia.
I am in the market to buy an alcohol stove and a canister stove and I have to make a wise decision because I’m on a budget with disability and I see that the redcamp mini alcohol stove offers a stand and a handle for the cap in other words more for the money. I mean if I have to buy the trangia because this is a better one then I would do but nobody has been able to demonstrate that the trangia is better And no one talks about the cracks they just keep buying them
Hiram, I´m a former army captain that used to work in the Swedish arctic brigade. One thing we taught the soldiers was a variant of your "lid burner" at the end of the video. Take the lid of the Trangia burner, remove the rubber ring and add some fuel in the lid. Dig/scrape a small hole in the ground so that the top of the lid is about flush with the ground. Light the fuel and then place the rest of the Trangia set above it. The burner will go into "after burner mode". It will use more fuel and one need to be wary of the much larger flame. We pretty much only used it if we wanted to quickly boil water.
As you know, the main issue in the winter is the temperature of the fuel. In our kits we had one large 1l fuel bottle and one small bottle, like a nip(?) flask. That was meant to be worn inside our clothing to warm up the fuel. Worked well, but we seldom wore it that way for obvious "military" reasons. No reason to not do it for civilian use, at least when one nears dinner time. :)
Just wanted to share some anecdotes. :)
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Spill a bit liquid outside of the Trangia and start the fire. That is far enough of pre-heating. The burner is that cheap that you can afford after 30/50 usage a new one. But till - 20 C there is no pre-heating at all.
Candle works too. But warm liquid is a lot safer to play around with. Even -10C alcohol is a bit cold if you spill some on fingers. -30C and you could lose a finger if at remote location.
@@jepulis6674 don’t you mean candle is safer than the liquid fuel?
Personally I have a DIY Kojin stove. Só thing I can put it right under the trangia. I light the bottom one with the simmer ring fully close on the trangia - only a little vapor evaporates and I light that. When the bottom runs out just remove the simmer acessory and cook and repeat if needed.
I’ve basically just invented this idea today! Was thinking of writing to trangia to say ‘why don’t you make one of these?’. Then I stumble on this video and feel a bit stupid!
Dude, nobody could explain to me what the “winter stand” was for! This video was exactly what I was looking for! Thanks!
This is why you are the go to guy when it comes to stoves. You make and publish a video to explain another video from two days ago. The Firebox Stove Gen 2 is also coming out with modifications based on your suggestions for the trangia burners. Keep it up man, we all love your videos.
Your videos are always informative and very enjoyable.
Thank you for the kind words.
this video sells me even more on the fancy feast stove. I am making one tonight :) Thanks for all you do Hiram
Great vid. This can make a world of difference in cold temps.
Hi Hiram,
I saw a guy on TH-cam making a wick of toilet paper (rolled it as s thin wick) and lighted it in the middle of the Trangia. It was in minus temperature and it worked flawlessly.
In this case you don't need a winterburner at all. To isolate between snow/ice and the burner is a good idea with any alcohol stove I should think.
I was not aware of the grooves
Thank you
I have new ideas now
Hiram, thanks for taking the time to make these great video's. Very informative! Love it!
Last two videos are great stuff!!! Thank you for sharing. :) !!
Never noticed grooves on one before... I'm sure you have tried this but I use a 2" disc of carbon felt under it with a "highly modified" Westwind for large pot/skillet. It's not a MoJo but works way better that the unmodified version. Less of a heat sink. Thanks Hiram!BTW, found the winter attachment version on amazon for 22 bucks.
As always, thank you for sharing your wisdom. Appreciated.
I use a gas storm lighter in winter to preheat the spirit burner to allow it to vapour and burn better
when i am out in winter for more than 2 or 3 nights in the norwegian mountains, i use an old can to preheat the trangia burner. i take some tea lights with me, 1-2 for a day. the can is the size that the trangia burner fits exactly into it like into the original stove so it can hang into the tin can. i made some holes into the can at two different levels, so the flame of a tea light has enough air to burn. and then i use to trangia burners, and while one is burning to melt snow/boil the water the other one gets preheated over the tea light can. so u never have any problems to light the alcohol. and if you have to melt a lot of snow u can work very easy with it. the other point is, u have a bit of light and warmth in the tent with the tea lights.
you can use your winter attachment with any pot stand just push it down when the stove blooms.
Very informative,Mr,T
"Winter Burner" sounds like a great name for a Weatherperson on a local news channel.
Let's go now to Winter Burner and find out what the weather will be like for this weekends big tractor pull!
Its caled Winter atachment
Good explanation vid - I like my Trangia. 👍
Here in China, you can buy a sort of electrical heat mat which works off a USB battery bank- it's designed more for gas canisters, which have their own problems when it goes below 0c, but I reckon it would work. Keep the battery in a pocket so it doesn't go flat in the cold, obviously. We've never needed it- coldest we ever camped in was -6c here in NE China, but might grab one if/ when we repatriate to the UK.
Solid explanation!
Can't you just add some alcohol onto the indented ring on the top of the trangia stove to prime it? It always works for me to add alcohol to the flat portion, light it, and it blooms pretty quick. that is a happy dog!
Max is a star! :)
The winter burner will work with the triangle but you can’t pull it down as much and it doesn’t work as well. But let’s not forget you can warm the burner in your hands.
try it with the Redcamp pot stand.
The lip between the 'burner cone' and the outside of the trangia body has a slight depression.
place a few drops of alcohol on that groove and light it.
Should accomplish the same preheating.
nicee video.im wondering if you couldnt just add a wick wrap to the outside to heat up the stove body
I just heat the burner up with a jet lighter, works like a charm 👍
Hi Hiram that attachment looks very similar to the Trangia mini which as i recall held the burner in place , mac
Just carry the burner in an inside pocket so your body keeps it warm in icy cold weather.
Hiram, will the winter attachment work with the 5" Firebox Stove and the 3" Nano Firebox Stove?
It may fit to triangle if you turn triangle upside down.
Save yourself the weight and the hassle and just add a little extra fuel around the outside rim to pre heat the burner I live in Scotland it’s alwayst cold here my burner works fine I’ve had I’d down to -10c. With no lighting or burning issues
Hiram, thanks for the video. Is there another video showing you light the winter attachment with the trangia in place?
Hi Hiram, great channel. Love the films you make. :-) quick question if I may please? I use the trangia burner in a firebox nano. Do you know if it will still fit in the nano firebox with the winter attachment on?
Could you just use it to pre heat the burner after which you collapse it and use in the normal fashion?
Could you make a video of the BCB MK2 with a piece of wick in the bottom to pre heat the burner?
What happened to Hiram ?
I haven't seen recent videos?
thanks for the video. Was this video shot with the new sj4000 if so looked good! Thanks for what you do you help a lot of people. Mark in Texas :-)
+Mark Martin I've been using my Sony HDR-AS100VR for those shots. The screen on the remote helps me keep in frame.
What about the toilet paper wich method? Roll up a piece of toilet paper put it in the trangia and light it. No extra accessories needed.
Hiram do you know of any Trangia style burner with a screw on cap but with a smaller diameter then the Trangia?
Just turn the Mojo around. If the burner catches (does not fall through), then the whole winter kit will hang above ground
you could use the mojo if you prop the corners up on somethin solid that should give you the space needed, i'm sure there's a couple of rocks that would work laying around camp?
+keith moore It should be on something good and solid. When I suggested that before in an earlier video people thought it might wobble.
i'm sure you could find three flat rocks that would be stable with a little look around if not a couple pieces of wood, it's not like it's gonna be there for decades
Maxwell is a “smart” dog
Thats a cute dog :3
do you know if it will work in the original firebox
If you use the yellow bottle of HEET fuel line antifreeze in the winter with a trangia or esbit burner does it work better than regular alcohol or does the type of fuel not matter???
I tested yellow heet at 15F last night and it worked great in the trangia. yellow heet will be my winter trangia fuel. fyi - my experiment at 15f with white gas in the trangia was a failure. white gas had too big of a flame.
Yellow Heet is just an expensive brand of "regular alcohol" which is properly called methyl hydrate (aka methanol). See outdoors.stackexchange.com/a/20057/11563
Martin Feuchtwanger Three types of alcohol are commonly available, in the USA. I don’t know about the rest of the world.
1. Ethanol, aka ethyl alcohol. This comes in different versions.
a. Denatured alcohol and the confusingly named methylated spirits. These contain something to make them toxic, usually a few % methanol.
b. grain alcohol including the brand name”Everclear”. These contain 10% water.
2. Isopropanol aka Isopropyl alcohol
a. Sold as a disinfectant with 9% or 30% water added.
b. Red HEET contains 1.5% other unidentified, chemicals.
3. Methanol aka methanol, Yellow HEET is methanol.
These have different boiling temperatures and vapor pressure curves. Methanol has the lowest boiling point and generates the most vapor at any temperature. Isopropanol has the highest boiling point and generates the least vapor at any temperature. Ethanol is in between. Adding water causes any of these to generate less alcohol vapor at any temperature, and of course water does not burn. In addition, evaporating water absorbs some of the heat generated by burning alcohol.
Based on their fundamental characteristics, methanol should be the easiest to light and quickest to “bloom” in a Trangia at very low temperatures. It is possible the methanol makes too much vapor for a Trangia to operate well at very high ambient temperatures. I haven’t seen anyone address the question of suitable Trangia fuel at very high ambient temperature.
Its caled Winter atachment 😉
Can somebody please tell me which one is better redcamp or trangia? Please if you are an aficionado of the trangia don’t respond. I want to know the difference. I have seen videos with the trangia last less And burns hot using more liquid.
When you say "Redcamp" do you mean the REDCAMP Mini Alcohol Stove? I'll hzve to look for one of them.
Yes sir RedCamp mini alcohol stove. I have her is exactly the same but then they start talking about they don’t know what’s inside they know what’s inside the trangia because someone opened it but nobody dares to open the redcamp because I’m afraid that it’s going to be the same and people are very fanatic of the trangia.
I am in the market to buy an alcohol stove and a canister stove and I have to make a wise decision because I’m on a budget with disability and I see that the redcamp mini alcohol stove offers a stand and a handle for the cap in other words more for the money. I mean if I have to buy the trangia because this is a better one then I would do but nobody has been able to demonstrate that the trangia is better And no one talks about the cracks they just keep buying them
if the original fit the burner isn't it just perfect.. i like DIY stuff but why?
it mighjt work in the firebox nano.
Just put alcohol on stove