I mean it was indians risky call and yes I am with government in that ..... though we compromised with indias security but it will help in long run .. a lot . And the compromised capabilities are not in that extent that china can think of starting war or proxy war
We are totally Fucked Up for Sure. And Now We should Go for China this Time for Quick Jets or Quick Engines. Bz No one will gives you this in your time
Yes we are fucked. Yes we should have ordered 72 Rafael instead of 32, by now we would have had all the rafael in our squadron. Rafael should have been out last imported Fighter jet. We are fucked yes nobody is coming to save us. Terminate Tejas Mk1 program instead divert that funds for CATS warrior and integrate it with Tejas Mark 2 and Foucs on AMCA
Agreed 100% , and bro don't u think we should import few M88 engines and start building twin engine Tejas prototype that will be poweres by 2 M88 engines, we can also do tot of m88 by paying huge amount to France
@@halfmonk9913 Yes bro we Indians overhype our weapons and compare them with world class weapons on few parameters where we have upper hand 😂😂😂 Similarly when we copy Rafale for TEDBF we call it inspiration and when China copies something we make fun of them😅😅😅 Being nationalist is one thing but always face the reality and accept the truth 😂😂😂
If this continues, then the only option available for India is to place order with China, who is the only one who is producing on numbers that van deliver anything before 2030.
The options for Iaf could be 1) for short term options could be build up good ground based air defence and offense systems based on missiles/ drones / sensors etc. 2) for medium term option order more of indigenously built tejas-mark-1a( possibly kaveri engine in the future) and more su-30( preferably in super sukhoi version) 3 ) long term options amca, tejas-mark-2 etc.
What I understand : - 1) Tejas mk2 is going to make it's rollout by 2025, first flight by 2026, expected IOC by 2028, then start it's procurement and do in service upgrades to FOC. 2) AMCA is expected to rollout by 2026, first flight by 2028, then can be inducted with IOC. 3) We are already working on CATS program, fast track it to get result by decade end. CATS warrior is expected to get rollout this year. The force multiplier can help IAF to get boost. 4) GHATAK UCAV must be fast tracked in mission mode. 5) To involve private sector, IAF need to pay more than current price for indigenous options. 6) We can sustain a long battle only on the basis of indigenous options.
You still don't know how India can prolong the projects ... It took 4 decades to come up with Arjun tank and over 4 decades still Kaveri is not done.. These projects are as old as Ba in hindi series... 😅
Government: Indigenous Indigenous Indigenous !!!!! IAF: National Security Security Security !!!!!!! Naa kaam ho raha hai naa kaam hone dena chahte hai Last 3 decades se yehi RR chal raha hai. Hats off to Turkey and South korea They Absolutely fantastic 💯 Both Countries started Indigenous program which 70% to 80% Done ✔️
@@rawatsanjaysingh09 f404 deal was US will directly supply the engines but in case of f414 we will in collaboration make this engines in india and also don't forget f404 production was going to be stop and except india no one was going to order the f404 whereas f414 many countries are using and ordering so less chance of supply chain issue korea too will use f414 for their kf21
सर,मुझे याद है कि आपने कहा था कि AMCA परियोजना राष्ट्रीय आवश्यकताओं के रूप में प्राथमिकता देनी होगी क्युकी निकट भविष्य मे हमारे पास कोई विकल्प नहीं है।
Unpopular opinion india is not capable of making 5gen aircraft AMCA 2030 to chodo hume 2040 tak be nai bana sakte issko abe ajj tak 4 gen nai bana paye jo 3.5 banaya hay mak1a usme be engine, missiles,radar sub bahar se hay isle better hoga 5 gen import karna kaha nai to turkey se he ke lo
Dude usme pass bhramstra nai hay jo india ke pass hay Vo hay shivaji statue jo India ne China ke border pe install kar diya hay now we can easily counter china 6 gen aircraft with shivaji statue
The Su 57 is the best bet for India as it’s a 5th gen aircraft with low observability in comparison to the Rafale !! SAMs are getting better and with the Su 57 we will have much better ability to penetrate enemy air space than rafale !! If IAF opts for Su 57 than Russia may agree to supply India first to boost exports!!!
Subodh, given the capabilities of our enemies, we need 4.5+Gen fighters in sufficient numbers ASAP to maintain even our current relative air power strength.We cannot afford any further delays whether it has man-machine teaming & GaN radars capabilities or not (later upgrades take care of new features, at least partially) Simultaneously, we should negotiate a deal to get F-35s (check out Israel’s air power advtg, no other 5th Gen option is combat tested with promising path for future upgrades & well established supply chains) to create an advantage against our enemies.
Also, import is of course not easy, but our defence establishment has itself to blame for losing several opportunities to acquire best available fighters.They were too sensitive on price while looking for a “perfect “ deal conducting endless negotiations without any outcome. Additionally, they caused further delays by expecting too much too soon from our indigenous fighter dev program. They should be held accountable for the current crisis.
4:47 Is IAF sucked up ?? Itne billion dollars ka investment krke sirf 2 sqaudrons... Atleast order 4-5 sqns of AMCA mk-1 & rest 6-7 sqns of AMCA mk-2 and fir re-engine k smy me mk-1 ko v indigenous engines se replace kr dena...
Lol 10 squadrons of AMCA? You know we don't have 800 billion dollar budget? To maintain 10 Squadrons IAF will have to spend billions of dollars as revenue expenditure every year. Haava me baate karna easy hota he par reality me ye possible nahi he.
@@atharvzemse6599 Then the defence budget needs to be higher. Not 800 billion but 5 to 7.5% of our GDP ≈ 200 to 300 Billion $ And yes that'll mean ki subsidies kam deni hongi but then we can actually maintain an army capable of handling China.
I think in this scenario its best option for India is to focus on developing radars that can detect 5th and 6th gen fighter aircrafts and missiles that could destroy them. This would buy us some time while we develop these fighters.
How about Saab Gripen? They can start delivering in 2-3 years. It is not Rafale but will built up the numbers with a decent 4.5 generation plane and also keep the costs under control. Their engine F414 also has no supply chain issues.
You can explore the option of F15er. Which US boing has offered India. It can easily compite mrfa and production rate is much better than other countries.
You didn't cover the case of the Gripen E/F: they're promising faster delivery & setting up of local manufacturing. It's anybody's guess how well they will follow-through on that promise, though their performance in Brazil could provide an indicator. One additional advantage of the Gripen E/F is that it also uses the GE F414 engine, so at least we can have commonality there with Tejas Mk2/ TEDBF/ AMCA Mk1. I personally am in favour of twin-engine aircraft, whether imported or local (single engined ones will be insufficient against China), but if that's the only viable option under MRFA...
In my opinion, India should go with the indigenous option as it provides the leverage for modifications and decreases dependency on foreign players. Foreign options can lead to issues with costs and terms and conditions that may cause trouble at any time. An indigenous program, in the long run, offers better adaptability and integration of weapon systems. Yes, Tejas has been delayed, but choosing a foreign platform is not economically viable in the long run and will slow down the indigenous program.
bharti govt ne bharti air force ke liye advance fighter jets ko adress nahin kiya so bharti air force ko advance fighter jets hasil hone ka sawaal nahin uthta.🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
ye option tumhare liye available ha he ni tum logon ko kia lgta hum turkey ko tumhe kaan dene dein ga? hamrai waja sa Tumhe na china sa jet mile ga na turkey sa
Jai Hind to all here...the best way forward is to develop our own engine in 90-95kn & 125-140kn categories...BUT due to time constraints we need to go for 120-140 SU-57s with TOT for the stealty variant of Iz-30 engines...involve our private players in its production, so that the gained experience can be used to develop our own engines or to modify the Kaveri / Russian engines, ie Kaveri / RD-33 / AL-31 / Iz-30, for use in LCAs, ORCA, TEDBF & AMCAs
I think that instead of running behind fighter planes, we should think about future technologies, like drones, laser weapons, and now we should think about the idea or technique of firing weapons from satellites.
@@shaangaming350 Sir there is a coterie of high ranking retired officials who are termed as THE CHANDIGARH GANG. This elitist gang has their own agenda when it comes to procurements, policies promotions and deployments. They want to wield their authority and have poked their nose in govt policies. They also work as PHOREN DALAALS at times. You can google their names if you want by searching about CHANDIGARH GANG IN MILITARY.
How about re-buying them from another country like Egypt at a premium? Egypt already operates those. How plausible is this? We can also enter into some kind of strategic negotiations with friendly countries like Greece to share their Rafale jets with us in case of urgency etc.
Ghatak is the only option to rectify short term problems with numbers and enable early retirement of obsolete jets. Kaveri engine has been approved for inflight testing. Ghatak is the only and the best answer.
@@cks7709 Can you explain to me why you want to waste money on manned fighters? Are you unemployed? Drones are better and obsolete manned fighters. Learn what obsolete means!
@@datoolz0 Seriously? Then why so many countries are buying "manned" F35 or other "manned" fighter jets? Drones are easily susceptible to jamming. Unmanned drones have there own advantages but cannot replace manned fighter jets.
@@datoolz0 Drones have there own advantages but they are easily susceptible to jamming. We have seen houties and Iran proxies easily jamming and bringing down US predator drones. I know you are enthusiastic but now and for the next couple of decades drones cannot replace "manned" fighter jets.
@@cks7709 It's the other way around. Manned fighter jets are obsolete and have no place in war. Ukraine war is being decided by drones and all other weapons are obsolete. Only drones. DRONES. DRONES. I do hate to drone on but drones. Useless obsolete equipment like 4th gen fighters serve no purpose onthe battlefield. Tejas only has a purpose because it can forward control drones. And fiber optic drones are proof against being jammed.
मुझे रोना आ रहा हैं, हम एक ४th gen फाइटर भी ढंग से नही बना पा रहे 😢 amca २०४० से पहले नहीं बनेगा तेजस मार्क २ का कोई अता पता नही. कावेरी एंजिन नहीं बना पाए हैं हम. चाइना आज ६th gen एयरक्राफ्ट बना रहा है. और भारत के पास एक ५th gen फाइटर भी नहीं हैं. जब तक भारत amca बनाएगा तब तब तक चाइना के पास १०० ६th gen फाइटर होंगे. जापान 🇯🇵 साउथ कोरिया, टर्की के पास ५th gen फाइटर एयरक्राफ्ट हैं. पाकिस्तान भी २०२८ तक ५th gen फाइटर बना रहा है। भारत 🇮🇳 कब बनाएगा 😭
CATS WARRIOR , Ghatav UAV, multi layered defense ko promote kro..ti make up for the lost squadron strength..sath mei pura dhyan indigenous fighter planes pr... expenditure on multi facility krna pdega..so that we can ramp up production
Kf 21 Has been certified and entered in the production and can deliver faster.A new design, better 4.5 gen aircraft, better price then rafale or eurofighter. Also it has Ge F414 engine, same as Tejas mark 2 and AMCA.
Purchase few squadons of Su57 twin engined stealth fighter to meet immediate requirement. Twin engined AMCA takes more time but project should continue. India can be partner to single engined version Su75 for joint development and make in India.
Mrfa is dead project instead of concentrating on mrfa we must buy 3 or 4 squardons of rafale or atleast buy kf21 and 6 to 8 squardons of tejas mk2 depending upon trails and concentrate more on amca fighter jets 300 to 350 and start a development of sixth generation fighter jet for the replacement of 4th generation fighter jet after 2055 or 2060.
This is really a good time for a Foreign OEM to offer india such a deal for the local production and quick fighter jets induction in-exchange for a huge amount to be given to the OEM so that both the sides could be benefited
Bro abhi पीचले साल में हमने 5 साल Marine को Rafile M ले या फिर सुपर Hornet ले ईस्मे निकालें है. पैसा ready सब ready खाली selection करणे में इत्नी देर.. अभी तक तो Marine की 4 squadron आणि चाहिए थी.
1. Wish Air Chief Marshal should have known these nuances of the issue when he spoke the other day!!! 2. Anyway, as it stands, India has no option but to focus full fledged on Tejas I and II, TDBF and AMCA and get them out as planned. 3. As a tactical response, India must build up massive missile reserves of different kinds to deter Chinese from any misadventure on land border. India should ensure that no aircraft can take off from any of the Tibetan airports. And Army can attack from different points if there is any air attack. 4. Focus on developing variety of UAVs as a short term response. 5. If it is viable, IAF can go for lease of a few squadrons of F 35, just like we leased Russian Akulas. This could be a good interim solution but with huge strategic costs!!!!
Even better get f35 with Indian specific modification in 4 squadrons as stop gap and focus fully on indigenous programs, jet engines and total r&d+manufacturing ecosystem Everything will cost very much no we have to throw money if money is not the problem
I think invest more in R&D. Keep it indigenous even if it takes a long time, but stick to deadlines. For now, just get more drones as much as possible and also missiles if possible hypersonic ones. Rest let me know if there is any other option.
Rafale pe itna paisa barbaad karna koi sense nahi banta hai agar air force kr paas 25 billion dollar hai to manufacturing facility and testing ko jaldi khatam karne ke upar paisa lagana chaiye
It's better to import because all our fighter jet programs are on paper and who knows there will not be any delay in our own projects ( track record of HAL 😅) . A bird in hand worth 2 in bush 🫡
If we want to do something then we have to make this bet and invest money in other areas instead of purchasing jets. It is also not certain that we will get jets by 2030 it is best case scenario and i am damn sure that even if we make our mind to purchase jets then also our jets cannot be available in near decade
@Subodh Bhai.. What you opinion on Erofighter Tyfoon, its can easily be available and its meet our requirements. What if we ask them to supply via make in inda route.
Eurofighter production lines are stopped because of no orders, Saab gripen is another option available with immediate deliveries with complete TOT, The question is not whether import options are available or not, the real question is at what cost would we want to support indigenous options or until when. We are still reliant on foreign vendors for engines, aren't we, then there should be no shame in accepting that tejas and AMCA are duds without engines, If we really need to support these programs thing we as country need to do is to invest in Jet engines, and once we have an engine then we need to start thinking of building an aircraft around it,
Kul mila k Navy ko develop Karo long range missile k saath, rocket force ko develop Karo.. drone induction, AI induction.. 36 to 50 su30.. may work..
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they shold first make of cordinative comiitee for development of jet engines jet there weapons which includes airforc e , hal,drdo, and defence ministry and explore all options for coperation and investement with various jet manufacturing nations which is most viable for india
Research mean to develop non exist technologies or niche technologies. But DRDO is developing existing technologies. Definately we are reducing import bill, but we are nowhere first in export market. ISRO is become profitable organisation, sameway DRDO should sell their technologies to friendly countries under govt observation. HAL or other PSU's are just assembler roll. Till now HAL was assembler of Mig, SU or Engines. It is great achievement of HAL when they designed and developed Helicopter, HLFT 42, HTFE 40. Govt should bid directly with PSUs or private companies with their aspects. It is their headache whether they manufacture with their own technology, DRDO technology or foreign TOT. Govt can give DLI scheme if technology is indigenous. Defence ministry should give priority on T1 then L1. Procurement process must be digital that no-one can sit on file. Every process to be time bound.
Why go with AMCA for attaining numbers though? Tejas mk2 will be a better option for that.
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at present indians should ask france for development of kaveri engine in safran facility with there technology and import that kaveri engine from france. for that help india could sign a deal of 114 raffale with france
Subodh.. What is your opinion on Euro fighter as interim measure? It was par with Rafael but only lost on financial ground. If this meets IAF requirements then India should go for G2G deal to buy those. What is your opinion?
@AlphaDefenseHindi OK. Then we don't have options left .I asked this based on the past claim from Euro fighter consortium to assured delivery in 3 years.
चलिए ये भी मान लिया जाए कि ये एयरक्राफ्ट 2030 से मिलना शुरू होंगे तो भी कम से कम नंबर तो बढ़ाएंगे भले आपके indigenous options तैयार हों। और तब भी क्या गारंटी है कि हम indigenous options में late नहीं होंगे हमेशा की तरह।
Sir what if we take 3 way strategy like 3 squadrons of rafale along with 72 su 57 And we continue our efforts on amca isn't it a good option to address these current shortfall
India ko Apni proven capability pe focus karna chahiye 🔥🔥🔥I.e Missile technology, Air to Air missiles, SAM ,and low cost Cruise and Tactical missiles in 100s of number,
अब यह तो सीधी सी बात है,अमेरिका नें पॉंच साल से जेट इंजन देना अंटकाए है,तो रूस से ही ज़रूरी इंजन लेकर तेजस बना लेने चाहिए थे।पता न कौन सी लॉबी डीफेंस डिले कर रही !?
I may sound naive. But can't we order Gripen E. Atleast 5-6 squadrons. They would be happy enough to start deliveries from 2026 if the deal is signed early. And even though it's not the best option but it's reliable and the operating cost is not that high. It will atleast save iaf by not letting the squadron no go down.
Indegenous aircraft making is the best call but no harm in getting additional aircrafts from other nation even if we get by 2030. This will only increase the no as well capability.
Best option china se kharido aur unko bolo pakistan ko na beche tabhi kharidenge Just kidding Mujhe lagta he indigenous push karo aur bohot saare drones kharido jitna possible he.. plus hypersonic missiles bhi bohot bohot bohot saare ready rakho abhi k liye
Ham jo agar AMCA par pura zor lagaye aur aisha banaye ki taki 1 AMCA 3 lambi duri k fast speed drone ko controlled kar sake to problem thoda kam ho sakta hai.. halaki tab hame dono project par kaam karna padega. dusari jagah ham su 30mki ko bhi isi taarike se use kar sakte hai !!! taki kam se kam hum numbers to badha sake.
मेरे हिसाब से IAF को Griphin के साथ जाना चाहिए ,जिसमें 100% TOT के make in india का ऑफर मिल रहा है , जिससे कि इंडिया अपना weapons system ये लगा सकता है , और इंडिया में जिस partner के साथ मिलकर उसे बनाया जाएगा , उसे patner को aircraft बनाने में experince भी होगा और manufacturing facility भी develop हो जाएगा , जो आगे जाकर AMCA 5.5 Gen , TEJAS और दूसरे aircarft को लिए उस faclity को।उसे कर सकेंगे, cost भी कम है griphin का और first delivery 3 years में start भी हो जाएगा। जो कि commitment किया गया है
@Amansah8888 तो तू ही बता भाई क्या option है , हम्हे क्या लगता है , कोई जादू होगा और भगवान आसमान से aircraft की बरसा होगी , और IAF टोकरी ले कर aircraft को लो के गे और भारत के पास बहुत सारे aircraft आ जाए गा।
@@Nothingno0 Engine, avionics, radars from US. Sensors, landing gear, ejection seat from UK. Why you want another bhel puri jet? It doesn't make any sense when we already have LCA MK1A struggling to get foreign made components. It is nightmare to operate 3 different aircrafts in 1 category.
@@Nothingno0आपको तुरंत supply करणे वाले 2 हि players है मार्केट में (US or China) Ask for F-35, F22 first. They say no. Direct ask for China - for J-20s. For some 4to5 squadron. Rest we can buy Rafael, Su57 at any time from our alliance.
FIGHTER JETS OPTIONS FOR INDIA: TEJAS MK1A - still stuck in its "engine issue, design tweak, and weight-loss program" phase. Tejas Mk2 - still a figment of imagination on the drawing board. Rafale - thanks to a massive backlog, France has bigger priorities. F-35 - not even offered, and even if it were, India would still be at the back of a never-ending queue. Su-57 - stuck in a production limbo, waiting for a new engine, and barely stealth (unless you count wishful thinking as a feature). AMCA? Just another dream, fueled by flashy animations and over-the-top claims. And what’s left for India? A museum-worthy collection of second-hand, retired Mirages, Jaguars, and MiG-21s, plus scavenged MiG-29s from around the world. Truly cutting-edge! At this rate, the only thing flying high is the imagination of their defense PR machine.
In short - we are fucked
I mean it was indians risky call and yes I am with government in that ..... though we compromised with indias security but it will help in long run .. a lot .
And the compromised capabilities are not in that extent that china can think of starting war or proxy war
@shaangaming350 👍
We are totally Fucked Up for Sure.
And Now We should Go for China this Time for Quick Jets or Quick Engines.
Bz No one will gives you this in your time
Yes we are fucked.
Yes we should have ordered 72 Rafael instead of 32, by now we would have had all the rafael in our squadron. Rafael should have been out last imported Fighter jet.
We are fucked yes nobody is coming to save us.
Terminate Tejas Mk1 program instead divert that funds for CATS warrior and integrate it with Tejas Mark 2 and Foucs on AMCA
Many of us know it for atleast 5 years from when we started learning about aerospace sector and HAL work culture.😏
Maturity is when you realise Tejas Mk1a has more TR modules than Rafales
Agreed 100% , and bro don't u think we should import few M88 engines and start building twin engine Tejas prototype that will be poweres by 2 M88 engines, we can also do tot of m88 by paying huge amount to France
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@@halfmonk9913 Yes bro we Indians overhype our weapons and compare them with world class weapons on few parameters where we have upper hand 😂😂😂
Similarly when we copy Rafale for TEDBF we call it inspiration and when China copies something we make fun of them😅😅😅
Being nationalist is one thing but always face the reality and accept the truth 😂😂😂
Tejas is DEAD.....ab Kitni analysis karoge....koi 45 squadron ka Sapna dekh raha Tha...😅😅😅
@@halfmonk9913 engine bhi 2 h uske
Conclusion - sab kuch Ram bharose
If this continues, then the only option available for India is to place order with China, who is the only one who is producing on numbers that van deliver anything before 2030.
Even if China is willing to sell and has the ability to deliver, will India bow its proud head?
Rip logic 😂
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Chinese jets lol😂😂😂
The options for Iaf could be
1) for short term options could be build up good ground based air defence and offense systems based on missiles/ drones / sensors etc.
2) for medium term option order more of indigenously built tejas-mark-1a( possibly kaveri engine in the future) and more su-30( preferably in super sukhoi version)
3 ) long term options amca, tejas-mark-2 etc.
What I understand : -
1) Tejas mk2 is going to make it's rollout by 2025, first flight by 2026, expected IOC by 2028, then start it's procurement and do in service upgrades to FOC.
2) AMCA is expected to rollout by 2026, first flight by 2028, then can be inducted with IOC.
3) We are already working on CATS program, fast track it to get result by decade end. CATS warrior is expected to get rollout this year. The force multiplier can help IAF to get boost.
4) GHATAK UCAV must be fast tracked in mission mode.
5) To involve private sector, IAF need to pay more than current price for indigenous options.
6) We can sustain a long battle only on the basis of indigenous options.
if you think 2025 tejas mk2 and 2026 amca will be ready you dont know HAL yet lol. mk2 will be 2030 and amca 2040. govt workers are lazy.
@@noneB974 I said rollout
You still don't know how India can prolong the projects ...
It took 4 decades to come up with Arjun tank and over 4 decades still Kaveri is not done..
These projects are as old as Ba in hindi series... 😅
Konsa bhaang piye ho ?? Engine nahi de raha general electronics
@@batikopssj3557 and it also took 2 years to roll out Zorawar so I am not gonna rule out the possibility of Tejas mk 2 by 2028 and AMCA in 2029
Government: Indigenous Indigenous Indigenous !!!!!
IAF: National Security Security Security !!!!!!!
Naa kaam ho raha hai naa kaam hone dena chahte hai
Last 3 decades se yehi RR chal raha hai.
Hats off to Turkey and South korea
They Absolutely fantastic 💯
Both Countries started Indigenous program which 70% to 80% Done ✔️
I want orders placed for 7-8 squadrons of Mk2 with 18-24 jets per year. Expedite GaN based sensor and sign F414 asap
We signed f404 on 2021,zero result.
@@rawatsanjaysingh09 f404 deal was US will directly supply the engines but in case of f414 we will in collaboration make this engines in india and also don't forget f404 production was going to be stop and except india no one was going to order the f404 whereas f414 many countries are using and ordering so less chance of supply chain issue korea too will use f414 for their kf21
सर,मुझे याद है कि आपने कहा था कि AMCA परियोजना राष्ट्रीय आवश्यकताओं के रूप में प्राथमिकता देनी होगी क्युकी निकट भविष्य मे हमारे पास कोई विकल्प नहीं है।
The only option is to purchase 100 more Su30 with super Sukhoi configuration that could support IFA with trained pilots and easy adoption.
No delivery before 2030
India should buy 100 Su-57M instead
We want super sukhoi for mrfa
@@anubratadas4911 LOL RUSSIA IS UNABLE TO PROCURE FOR ITSELF .RATHER DEVELOP MORE ADV. MISSILE/SENSOR/AIR DEFENCE.
AMCA में अपनी पुरी ताकत झोंक दो❤🙏🔥🇮🇳✈️
Woh 2040 m Induct hoga....Tab tak Modi ji ka bhashan suno
अगर बना नहीं पाये तोह पैसे भी गए और समाये भी गए दोनों
Unpopular opinion india is not capable of making 5gen aircraft AMCA 2030 to chodo hume 2040 tak be nai bana sakte issko abe ajj tak 4 gen nai bana paye jo 3.5 banaya hay mak1a usme be engine, missiles,radar sub bahar se hay isle better hoga 5 gen import karna kaha nai to turkey se he ke lo
It's better to go for su-30, the production line is ready that cal churn out 12 jets per year.
Something is better than nothing
Mf than not too upgraded it to super sukhai 🙂 just talking blah blah 😂
f35 बेहतर है
It can't' 'churn out' anything unless Russia sends the parts. It is an assembly line for Russian kits.
Maturity is when you are willing to pay higher price for MK1A + additional R&D cost then your price for Rafael
Indonesia , UAE ne bhi hum se jyada orders diya h💀
Ye sab chor ne ka bht try kr rha hu lekin nhi ho pa rha.
Or defence secretary bolte hai, funds isn't an issue. Ladli behen, ladli bhabi yojna k liye sab paisa chale gye.😅
Dude usme pass bhramstra nai hay jo india ke pass hay
Vo hay shivaji statue jo India ne China ke border pe install kar diya hay now we can easily counter china 6 gen aircraft with shivaji statue
India should focus more on air defence against any threat while developing its own 6th gen aircraft
The Su 57 is the best bet for India as it’s a 5th gen aircraft with low observability in comparison to the Rafale !! SAMs are getting better and with the Su 57 we will have much better ability to penetrate enemy air space than rafale !! If IAF opts for Su 57 than Russia may agree to supply India first to boost exports!!!
Subodh, given the capabilities of our enemies, we need 4.5+Gen fighters in sufficient numbers ASAP to maintain even our current relative air power strength.We cannot afford any further delays whether it has man-machine teaming & GaN radars capabilities or not (later upgrades take care of new features, at least partially) Simultaneously, we should negotiate a deal to get F-35s (check out Israel’s air power advtg, no other 5th Gen option is combat tested with promising path for future upgrades & well established supply chains) to create an advantage against our enemies.
Also, import is of course not easy, but our defence establishment has itself to blame for losing several opportunities to acquire best available fighters.They were too sensitive on price while looking for a “perfect “ deal conducting endless negotiations without any outcome. Additionally, they caused further delays by expecting too much too soon from our indigenous fighter dev program. They should be held accountable for the current crisis.
4:47 Is IAF sucked up ?? Itne billion dollars ka investment krke sirf 2 sqaudrons... Atleast order 4-5 sqns of AMCA mk-1 & rest 6-7 sqns of AMCA mk-2 and fir re-engine k smy me mk-1 ko v indigenous engines se replace kr dena...
Pata nhi inko 40-50 numbers se kya pyar hai, atleast 100-120 numbers AMCA chahiye
Lol 10 squadrons of AMCA? You know we don't have 800 billion dollar budget? To maintain 10 Squadrons IAF will have to spend billions of dollars as revenue expenditure every year. Haava me baate karna easy hota he par reality me ye possible nahi he.
@@atharvzemse6599 ek squadron karib 20 ka hota hai, so it's not 10 squadron
Abhi tak wo 40 ordered aircraft to dheer bheja hai tumhara hal or tum baat kar rahe ho oor order chahiye.
@@atharvzemse6599 Then the defence budget needs to be higher. Not 800 billion but 5 to 7.5% of our GDP ≈ 200 to 300 Billion $
And yes that'll mean ki subsidies kam deni hongi but then we can actually maintain an army capable of handling China.
I think in this scenario its best option for India is to focus on developing radars that can detect 5th and 6th gen fighter aircrafts and missiles that could destroy them. This would buy us some time while we develop these fighters.
6:19 😂😂😂😂 best
How about Saab Gripen? They can start delivering in 2-3 years.
It is not Rafale but will built up the numbers with a decent 4.5 generation plane and also keep the costs under control. Their engine F414 also has no supply chain issues.
The best thing can be done is acquiring more and more air defence systems, developing long range artillery like 200-300 km range pinakas,
You can explore the option of F15er. Which US boing has offered India. It can easily compite mrfa and production rate is much better than other countries.
You didn't cover the case of the Gripen E/F: they're promising faster delivery & setting up of local manufacturing. It's anybody's guess how well they will follow-through on that promise, though their performance in Brazil could provide an indicator. One additional advantage of the Gripen E/F is that it also uses the GE F414 engine, so at least we can have commonality there with Tejas Mk2/ TEDBF/ AMCA Mk1. I personally am in favour of twin-engine aircraft, whether imported or local (single engined ones will be insufficient against China), but if that's the only viable option under MRFA...
Jai Shree Radhe Krishna 🙏🙏🧡
Jai Bharat Rashtra 🙏🙏🧡
I 100% agree with you on this one...I think the best option might be to just take a risk and Put all the money on AMCA and Tejas.
Nice and actual information 👌👍 I Support only make and made in India 🇮🇳 Jay Hind 🇮🇳
In my opinion, India should go with the indigenous option as it provides the leverage for modifications and decreases dependency on foreign players. Foreign options can lead to issues with costs and terms and conditions that may cause trouble at any time. An indigenous program, in the long run, offers better adaptability and integration of weapon systems. Yes, Tejas has been delayed, but choosing a foreign platform is not economically viable in the long run and will slow down the indigenous program.
bharti govt ne bharti air force ke liye advance fighter jets ko adress nahin kiya so bharti air force ko advance fighter jets hasil hone ka sawaal nahin uthta.🤨🤨🤨🤨🤨
Buy J36 before paf buys it, also buy KAAN before paf does it. "Money is not the problem".
ye option tumhare liye available ha he ni tum logon ko kia lgta hum turkey ko tumhe kaan dene dein ga? hamrai waja sa Tumhe na china sa jet mile ga na turkey sa
Jai Hind to all here...the best way forward is to develop our own engine in 90-95kn & 125-140kn categories...BUT due to time constraints we need to go for 120-140 SU-57s with TOT for the stealty variant of Iz-30 engines...involve our private players in its production, so that the gained experience can be used to develop our own engines or to modify the Kaveri / Russian engines, ie Kaveri / RD-33 / AL-31 / Iz-30, for use in LCAs, ORCA, TEDBF & AMCAs
I think that instead of running behind fighter planes, we should think about future technologies, like drones, laser weapons, and now we should think about the idea or technique of firing weapons from satellites.
we can opt for eurofighter typhoon they dont have such a backlog plus they are cheaper and they are willing to shift the production line
Kya hum or su 30 order nahi kar sakte new engine or aesa radar k sath ya phir 2 nd hand fighter jet ya koi American jet jo lease pr jaldi mil jaye
india have everything in youtube
Import associatioon ke president -😂 the Chandigarh Gang
Vijay sir can you please explain what is chandigarh lobby and who are in it plus...I am new in this
@@shaangaming350 some defence contractors+ some former servicemen and according BJP supporters some Congress/Left politicians.
@@james4807M hmmm so in former servicemen .... MAJOR GENERALS , LT GENERALS ARE ALSO INCLUDED OR ITS ON COLONEAL LEVEL
@@shaangaming350 there is no formal lobbying organisation like in the USA, so we don't know
@@shaangaming350 Sir there is a coterie of high ranking retired officials who are termed as THE CHANDIGARH GANG. This elitist gang has their own agenda when it comes to procurements, policies promotions and deployments. They want to wield their authority and have poked their nose in govt policies. They also work as PHOREN DALAALS at times. You can google their names if you want by searching about CHANDIGARH GANG IN MILITARY.
How about re-buying them from another country like Egypt at a premium? Egypt already operates those. How plausible is this? We can also enter into some kind of strategic negotiations with friendly countries like Greece to share their Rafale jets with us in case of urgency etc.
Ghatak is the only option to rectify short term problems with numbers and enable early retirement of obsolete jets. Kaveri engine has been approved for inflight testing.
Ghatak is the only and the best answer.
Ek drone aur Fighter jet me difference samaj nahi aata kya aapko?
@@cks7709 Can you explain to me why you want to waste money on manned fighters?
Are you unemployed?
Drones are better and obsolete manned fighters. Learn what obsolete means!
@@datoolz0 Seriously? Then why so many countries are buying "manned" F35 or other "manned" fighter jets? Drones are easily susceptible to jamming. Unmanned drones have there own advantages but cannot replace manned fighter jets.
@@datoolz0 Drones have there own advantages but they are easily susceptible to jamming. We have seen houties and Iran proxies easily jamming and bringing down US predator drones.
I know you are enthusiastic but now and for the next couple of decades drones cannot replace "manned" fighter jets.
@@cks7709 It's the other way around. Manned fighter jets are obsolete and have no place in war.
Ukraine war is being decided by drones and all other weapons are obsolete. Only drones. DRONES. DRONES. I do hate to drone on but drones.
Useless obsolete equipment like 4th gen fighters serve no purpose onthe battlefield.
Tejas only has a purpose because it can forward control drones.
And fiber optic drones are proof against being jammed.
मुझे रोना आ रहा हैं, हम एक ४th gen फाइटर भी ढंग से नही बना पा रहे 😢
amca २०४० से पहले नहीं बनेगा तेजस मार्क २ का कोई अता पता नही.
कावेरी एंजिन नहीं बना पाए हैं हम.
चाइना आज ६th gen एयरक्राफ्ट बना रहा है.
और भारत के पास एक ५th gen फाइटर भी नहीं हैं.
जब तक भारत amca बनाएगा तब तब तक चाइना के पास १०० ६th gen फाइटर होंगे.
जापान 🇯🇵 साउथ कोरिया, टर्की के पास ५th gen फाइटर एयरक्राफ्ट हैं.
पाकिस्तान भी २०२८ तक ५th gen फाइटर बना रहा है। भारत 🇮🇳 कब बनाएगा 😭
Bharat mandir masjid bnayega...
CATS WARRIOR , Ghatav UAV, multi layered defense ko promote kro..ti make up for the lost squadron strength..sath mei pura dhyan indigenous fighter planes pr... expenditure on multi facility krna pdega..so that we can ramp up production
Kf 21 Has been certified and entered in the production and can deliver faster.A new design, better 4.5 gen aircraft, better price then rafale or eurofighter. Also it has Ge F414 engine, same as Tejas mark 2 and AMCA.
India should go ahead for mass production of Ghatak UCAV.
Purchase few squadons of Su57 twin engined stealth fighter to meet immediate requirement.
Twin engined AMCA takes more time but project should continue.
India can be partner to single engined version Su75 for joint development and make in India.
Mrfa is dead project instead of concentrating on mrfa we must buy 3 or 4 squardons of rafale or atleast buy kf21 and 6 to 8 squardons of tejas mk2 depending upon trails and concentrate more on amca fighter jets 300 to 350 and start a development of sixth generation fighter jet for the replacement of 4th generation fighter jet after 2055 or 2060.
Beside import we need to fund indigenous products like TEDBF ORCA AMCA GHATAK IMRH FRCV S5 and so on.. simultaneously..
What happened to f414 deal ? Aren't they giving us transfer of technology?
Engine tho de nahi rahe aur aap TOT ki baat kar rahe ho.
@@cks7709 🤣🤣😂😂 kya bawal macha pada hey TEJAS ka bc
This is really a good time for a Foreign OEM to offer india such a deal for the local production and quick fighter jets induction in-exchange for a huge amount to be given to the OEM so that both the sides could be benefited
Initially why we order only 36 rafale? If At that time we order 114 rafale ,so this condition is not occur.
Exactly.
Bro abhi पीचले साल में हमने 5 साल Marine को Rafile M ले या फिर सुपर Hornet ले ईस्मे निकालें है.
पैसा ready सब ready खाली selection करणे में इत्नी देर..
अभी तक तो Marine की 4 squadron आणि चाहिए थी.
We don't need any imported jet but we need to focus on tejas mk 2 and amca
Hi i love ur work
India needs atleast 5 squadron of SU 75 checkmate fifth generation stealth fighter jets
Best will be bid your time, focus all energy in speeding up indigenous development
1. Wish Air Chief Marshal should have known these nuances of the issue when he spoke the other day!!!
2. Anyway, as it stands, India has no option but to focus full fledged on Tejas I and II, TDBF and AMCA and get them out as planned.
3. As a tactical response, India must build up massive missile reserves of different kinds to deter Chinese from any misadventure on land border. India should ensure that no aircraft can take off from any of the Tibetan airports. And Army can attack from different points if there is any air attack.
4. Focus on developing variety of UAVs as a short term response.
5. If it is viable, IAF can go for lease of a few squadrons of F 35, just like we leased Russian Akulas. This could be a good interim solution but with huge strategic costs!!!!
Even better get f35 with Indian specific modification in 4 squadrons as stop gap and focus fully on indigenous programs, jet engines and total r&d+manufacturing ecosystem
Everything will cost very much no we have to throw money if money is not the problem
I think invest more in R&D.
Keep it indigenous even if it takes a long time, but stick to deadlines.
For now, just get more drones as much as possible and also missiles if possible hypersonic ones. Rest let me know if there is any other option.
Rafale pe itna paisa barbaad karna koi sense nahi banta hai agar air force kr paas 25 billion dollar hai to manufacturing facility and testing ko jaldi khatam karne ke upar paisa lagana chaiye
It's better to import because all our fighter jet programs are on paper and who knows there will not be any delay in our own projects ( track record of HAL 😅) .
A bird in hand worth 2 in bush 🫡
If we want to do something then we have to make this bet and invest money in other areas instead of purchasing jets. It is also not certain that we will get jets by 2030 it is best case scenario and i am damn sure that even if we make our mind to purchase jets then also our jets cannot be available in near decade
@Subodh Bhai.. What you opinion on Erofighter Tyfoon, its can easily be available and its meet our requirements. What if we ask them to supply via make in inda route.
One and only Lockheed Martin has the capability to provide the IAF for the shortest time.
Absolutely spot on !
Eurofighter production lines are stopped because of no orders, Saab gripen is another option available with immediate deliveries with complete TOT, The question is not whether import options are available or not, the real question is at what cost would we want to support indigenous options or until when. We are still reliant on foreign vendors for engines, aren't we, then there should be no shame in accepting that tejas and AMCA are duds without engines, If we really need to support these programs thing we as country need to do is to invest in Jet engines, and once we have an engine then we need to start thinking of building an aircraft around it,
MoD and IAF : bold of you to assume that we will take any action noob
What about the expected delivery schedule of the gripen jet(if we order it) ?
Better option for own manufacturing for AMCA.
Indian own capability for manufacturing capacity
We can buy on lease agreement like we did for INS chakra. There will lots of clause but better to have something then nothing
Kul mila k Navy ko develop Karo long range missile k saath, rocket force ko develop Karo.. drone induction, AI induction.. 36 to 50 su30.. may work..
they shold first make of cordinative comiitee for development of jet engines jet there weapons which includes airforc e , hal,drdo, and defence ministry and explore all options for coperation and investement with various jet manufacturing nations which is most viable for india
India need to buy Chinese J20. It's masterstroke.
Why not use twin kaveri engine in Indian aircraft , with or without afterburner
Research mean to develop non exist technologies or niche technologies. But DRDO is developing existing technologies. Definately we are reducing import bill, but we are nowhere first in export market. ISRO is become profitable organisation, sameway DRDO should sell their technologies to friendly countries under govt observation.
HAL or other PSU's are just assembler roll. Till now HAL was assembler of Mig, SU or Engines. It is great achievement of HAL when they designed and developed Helicopter, HLFT 42, HTFE 40.
Govt should bid directly with PSUs or private companies with their aspects. It is their headache whether they manufacture with their own technology, DRDO technology or foreign TOT. Govt can give DLI scheme if technology is indigenous.
Defence ministry should give priority on T1 then L1. Procurement process must be digital that no-one can sit on file. Every process to be time bound.
Why go with AMCA for attaining numbers though?
Tejas mk2 will be a better option for that.
at present indians should ask france for development of kaveri engine in safran facility with there technology
and import that kaveri engine from france. for that help india could sign a deal of 114 raffale with france
Why you didn't discuss about tejas mk 2 it will be before AMCA
Subodh.. What is your opinion on Euro fighter as interim measure? It was par with Rafael but only lost on financial ground. If this meets IAF requirements then India should go for G2G deal to buy those. What is your opinion?
Spain ordered 24 jets in 2023 and those will be delivered between 2030-35. So G2G isn’t given you jet before 2030
@AlphaDefenseHindi OK. Then we don't have options left .I asked this based on the past claim from Euro fighter consortium to assured delivery in 3 years.
चलिए ये भी मान लिया जाए कि ये एयरक्राफ्ट 2030 से मिलना शुरू होंगे तो भी कम से कम नंबर तो बढ़ाएंगे भले आपके indigenous options तैयार हों। और तब भी क्या गारंटी है कि हम indigenous options में late नहीं होंगे हमेशा की तरह।
Amca also needs engine which usa will not provide we all know so what are the other options for amca engines .... ?
Sir what if we take 3 way strategy like 3 squadrons of rafale along with 72 su 57
And we continue our efforts on amca isn't it a good option to address these current shortfall
India ko Apni proven capability pe focus karna chahiye 🔥🔥🔥I.e Missile technology,
Air to Air missiles,
SAM ,and low cost Cruise and Tactical missiles in 100s of number,
अब यह तो सीधी सी बात है,अमेरिका नें पॉंच साल से जेट इंजन देना अंटकाए है,तो रूस से ही ज़रूरी इंजन लेकर तेजस बना लेने चाहिए थे।पता न कौन सी लॉबी डीफेंस डिले कर रही !?
Amca project should be given more funding and fast tracked
Su 75 m jud jao aur amca bhi teji se badaho to 2030 k baad 5 gen fighters jyada teji se badhege.
2014 चाय गरम ...........
2025 ठंडी चाय...........
No chaay .....😆😆😆
I may sound naive. But can't we order Gripen E. Atleast 5-6 squadrons. They would be happy enough to start deliveries from 2026 if the deal is signed early. And even though it's not the best option but it's reliable and the operating cost is not that high. It will atleast save iaf by not letting the squadron no go down.
UPA version of Rafael deal would have saved us...18 off the shelf and 108 made in india
Indegenous aircraft making is the best call but no harm in getting additional aircrafts from other nation even if we get by 2030. This will only increase the no as well capability.
Excellent analysis
The only option left is importing J-20s 😅
😂😂😂😂
This is Totally Good Option
Either Buy J-20 or Import their Engines 🙏
It's good to Deal with China.
Best option china se kharido aur unko bolo pakistan ko na beche tabhi kharidenge
Just kidding
Mujhe lagta he indigenous push karo aur bohot saare drones kharido jitna possible he.. plus hypersonic missiles bhi bohot bohot bohot saare ready rakho abhi k liye
I think if we sign the contract, they can start delivery from next week.
@@debajyotipatra2313 haha 🤣 lol true chinese he na
Very briefly - we are screwed
Ham jo agar AMCA par pura zor lagaye aur aisha banaye ki taki 1 AMCA 3 lambi duri k fast speed drone ko controlled kar sake to problem thoda kam ho sakta hai.. halaki tab hame dono project par kaam karna padega.
dusari jagah ham su 30mki ko bhi isi taarike se use kar sakte hai !!! taki kam se kam hum numbers to badha sake.
Sir, what is the use of making this video. Procurement of aircraft is not about public sentiment.
मेरे हिसाब से IAF को Griphin के साथ जाना चाहिए ,जिसमें 100% TOT के make in india का ऑफर मिल रहा है , जिससे कि इंडिया अपना weapons system ये लगा सकता है , और इंडिया में जिस partner के साथ मिलकर उसे बनाया जाएगा , उसे patner को aircraft बनाने में experince भी होगा और manufacturing facility भी develop हो जाएगा , जो आगे जाकर AMCA 5.5 Gen , TEJAS और दूसरे aircarft को लिए उस faclity को।उसे कर सकेंगे, cost भी कम है griphin का और first delivery 3 years में start भी हो जाएगा। जो कि commitment किया गया है
Never👎
@Amansah8888 तो तू ही बता भाई क्या option है , हम्हे क्या लगता है , कोई जादू होगा और भगवान आसमान से aircraft की बरसा होगी , और IAF टोकरी ले कर aircraft को लो के गे और भारत के पास बहुत सारे aircraft आ जाए गा।
@@Nothingno0 Engine, avionics, radars from US. Sensors, landing gear, ejection seat from UK. Why you want another bhel puri jet? It doesn't make any sense when we already have LCA MK1A struggling to get foreign made components. It is nightmare to operate 3 different aircrafts in 1 category.
@@atharvzemse6599 100% TOT ka matab bhi smajte ho bhai
@@Nothingno0आपको तुरंत supply करणे वाले 2 हि players है मार्केट में (US or China)
Ask for F-35, F22 first. They say no.
Direct ask for China - for J-20s.
For some 4to5 squadron.
Rest we can buy Rafael, Su57 at any time from our alliance.
my opinion 60-70 f35
Kya aise kar sakte hain ki major jet engines leke design develop kare along with tejas amca aur tedbef
जब हम sukhoi 30MKI अपने यहां बनाते हैं तो क्या Emergency में उसकी 2-3 squardon नहीं बना सकते ?
Bana sakte hai ..par abhi panic nahi hua hai ye ....jabtak pak china kuch bachodi nahi karte tab tak asa hi chalega 😂
What’s the status of lhd now its more than 2 decades what we have wasted
Sir south koreas 5th gen can be looked into
FIGHTER JETS OPTIONS FOR INDIA:
TEJAS MK1A - still stuck in its "engine issue, design tweak, and weight-loss program" phase.
Tejas Mk2 - still a figment of imagination on the drawing board.
Rafale - thanks to a massive backlog, France has bigger priorities.
F-35 - not even offered, and even if it were, India would still be at the back of a never-ending queue.
Su-57 - stuck in a production limbo, waiting for a new engine, and barely stealth (unless you count wishful thinking as a feature).
AMCA? Just another dream, fueled by flashy animations and over-the-top claims.
And what’s left for India? A museum-worthy collection of second-hand, retired Mirages, Jaguars, and MiG-21s, plus scavenged MiG-29s from around the world. Truly cutting-edge! At this rate, the only thing flying high is the imagination of their defense PR machine.
Great explanation.
India still needs to import along with developing domestic fighter jets
Gen 4 jets: (114) either Rafale or Euro Fighter
Gen 5 jets: (36) SU 57
Sir why not European typhoon and gripen short order for quick requirment atleast 4 squadron