The scariest thing about this Rein is that he Said this was one of his better games...I would hate to see what he considers what his Average or worse games are....
this guy was actually atrocious lol. i really think the biggest improvement for lower SR players can be to try and get to like 800edpi, or something like that. they always have high sensitivity
@@DavidRobinson-ou8fh sorry, I meant dpi not edpi. my mouse dpi is 850 but i play at like 4000 edpi my point is that some of these players need to stop using high sensitivity
That is my fucking pet peeve in this game. When the person I’m healing runs into spawn or gets a mega. They’re literally just throwing a third of my ult charge away because they’re titled of just stupid.
@@cheesy4582 right? The problem isn't your healers not healing you the problem is you having zero faith in your healers. And it's one thing if they show you you can't trust them, it's another when you go into every game with the preconceived notion your healers won't heal you. Have faith in your team. You'll win more by doing that then bitching at them. Like idk what it is about this game but everyone thinks they are the most important player, but there are six of you. You need to stop and figure out who truly is the most important player and if it's not you, figure out how you can make their job easier. Is your ana getting huge antis every fight and has godly aim but their tracer is being a pest? Switch to counter the tracer for her. Is your widow popping off all game except when she's in spawn can of Winston? Go dva to peel for her. Your reins the ultimate front liner, pump heals into him to make him an even more oppressing force. Sometimes you will be the star of the show. But sometimes you gotta take note of whose really the carry and pump your resources into them
He said "Healing do not exist (in bronze)" His bap literally gets window every other team fight, has some great lamp placements to save that poor rein and the Zen's discord orb placements were crazy good on the first round too???
Yeah. Elo hell doesn't exist, if you're gold you will reach gold, if you're plat you'll reach it. This is just a bad mentality, and he should start watching replays/getting coached instead of blaming factors outside of his control.
@@duro3666 There are things such as getting stuck in an elo, I sat in Diamond for several seasons, but I'm having a hell of a time getting back up there. One day maybe, just gotta keep trying.
I find I get those kind of comments a lot more when I'm playing Bap then when I'm playing other supports. I think it's because there's no on-screen indication of when you get heals from Bap, so they think it's not happening.
Tanks have to realize that healers are more inclined to heal you if you’re being aggressive more regularly. Now, that’s different from feeding because no amount of healing is going to save a feeder.
I play both Tank and Support and the ammount of times Im playing as Ana and we get a Rien who doesnt do anything and I have to Cap and make my own space because he wont is super frustrating. Like dude get your big german ass in there and start swinging
I like how he said healing is mostly non existent but in the first round he really only died to junk tires and walking in front of bastion with half health.
Healing is weird in Bronze, but I won't say it's Bronze specific. In all ranks, healing either exists or doesn't, it all depends on the healers, how much pressure they're receiving without getting some peel, and who's taking the most damage thus drawing their attention. But anyone saying they're getting no healing is either feeding too much, or expecting heals to beat out damage. Because saying healing is non-existent is false, when I say there's non-existent healing, I mean it's weak healing, like a team running Zen/Lucio.
@@agentmaryland1239 most of my time playing overwatch has been spent healing or as a tank in bronze and silver ,sometimes I get lucky and wander into gold. If your getting melted your out of position or playing a really bad comp. I get get being frustrated when you die on CD. But it is usually noting a good regroup and push together won't fix.
@@agentmaryland1239 had a Winston/rein player yesterday that would jump as Winston into a hog reaper echo while they also had zen while the team was regrouping he told me who played bap and our ana that heals where shit, literally he would run away from heals, he would jump into 4+ people while team was regrouping after he fed the fight before. Me and ana healed 32k DMG that was 65% of DMG taken while we had a reaper or echo on our ass entire game as well that not a soul cared about. He told us heals where shit, we told him we had regrouped 2 times entire game at attack spawn and defence spawn and after that we played a 5v6. On rein he would shieldbot not move then when shield broke pin get hooked and die. He did these things literally whole game long. This guy was playing in a 2480 SR game being high gold (and he wasn't a smurf deranking he had gold border etc) it's actually incredible how many boosted tanks there are in gold especially low gold half the dva's use shift into 4 enemies while a reaper or mcree is ulting the backline yet they say they carried after they died cous they ate 1 grav but meanwhile it's 1/7 and they fed 5 personally and reaper has consistently killed people, the DVA refuses to peel when asked etc it's amazing...
@@agentmaryland1239 also in lower ranks you pretty much can't run Lucio zen healing about 95% of the games because people just take to much dmg they peek when they shouldn't, they don't recharge shields when they should and then die basically
@@agentmaryland1239 i play a lot of genji and i get a lot of ana and they just dont hit shots. Which is understandable since im playing Genji, but other heroes that arent constantly randomly double jumping and wall climbing and stuff, have no excuse
what is most frustrating to me about this vod is the lack of conscious, intentional action. Flats mentions this, but it deserves to be said again. if someone makes a mistake, if they go on a flank when it wasn't needed, if they feed, that's a mistake and mistakes are fixable. you have to make mistakes when you're learning because you have to try things and fail. failure is when learning happens because you learn why you failed and ideally learn what you need to do. but it's like this person doesn't even do anything. it doesn't look like they're making active decisions. they never move their camera like they're taking in information and making a decision intentionally. I don't care if they would make the wrong decision because we all make wrong decisions and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. but they're just not doing anything. they're just pressing buttons and expecting something to happen magically, instead of looking at what's going on and deciding to do something about it. there's no indication that they're having the thought process of, "the enemy has a bastion, bastion will shred my shield, I need to do something to prevent this bastion from just killing me." and it's like this person has no idea they have teammates. I don't necessarily blame someone for not understanding they're getting healed because sometimes it's hard to tell when you're overwhelmed and there's so much going on. but like, dude, if you have 100 HP and your shield is broken, you don't go in. duck behind some cover and glance around for your supports, make eye contact, wait for healing or fall back. it feels like this person is completely new to the game and has absolutely no idea what's going on around them. they're just not doing anything. they don't press W unless they have 100hp and their shield has 200hp. they don't shield for their teammates -- I'm like silver in tank and even I know the shield on rein isn't just to keep rein alive, it's a shield, you use it for DPS and to shield rezzes and to shield for your team as y'all cross open space, etc -- they just don't do anything. they never make a decision. god it's so frustrating to watch
There is a huge disconnect between his comments and the actual VOD, there is now way he ever played in high gold without immediately dropping to bronze.
@@kingkwong95 this. most people get placed gold initially. I was placed gold too but fell down to low silver (1600) and it took me a few seasons to climb back out because I wasnt a gold level player, it's just where the game put me at first because it's where most new players are placed. I was also playing moira which is pretty hard to fuck up too badly in low elo (for that elo anyway. obviously still doing a lot of things wrong)
I've never seen a Rein do so much and so little at the same time. The stuff he is doing is completely pointless, and the stuff he isn't doing is everything else. The healers were working overtime on his ass.
As a Rein in gold, I can say that if he was in gold, he would get flattened, he has dropped down to the actual rank he deserves but there is no reason why he cannot improve and climb up higher - if he is willing to put in the time and learn the game. Work on adjusting your sensitivity till it feels right, depending on your mouse pad it could be higher or lower but in the end of the day it should be something that you can control and not the other way around and try to learn basic stuff like pathing.
@@zerogravity3538 don't forget he blamed the healers for "non existing healing" or maybe he should of popped the shield up and moved back to get the heals... those poor healers tried their asses off for this bad rein.
@@zsariah858 that happened because he was tanking with the body, and a zen and bap can heal that much, so idk, maybe the healers can be distracted or be killed, but he didnt give them the time to heal :/
Awe, my heart goes out to this Rein. Divide your edpi by 3. Try seeing what you can get away with and still live by getting more aggressive in your games (play qp if you're afraid of losing sr while experimenting). Open areas are better against junk. Pick one thing to get better at for every week or 2 weeks and focus on that thing until you see decent improvement.
Ikr, ik this series is made to make fun of ppl but this genuinely feels like watching someone thats just… inexperienced (even for a silver border) if he just takes a while to play some qp and work on roll outs and especially work on movement and learning cover then a lot of his deaths would be avoided tbh
That speech at the end about no combination of heals being able to beat incoming damage on an afk tank needs to be broadcasted on the servers at the beginning of every game.
This game is everything why gold is the real elo hell. 75% of people there aren’t actually gold, they’re either plat+ or silver-. And the problem is they counter each other and there’s just a ton of people who shouldn’t be there for opposite reasons. I managed to climb out of bronze hell after about 2 seasons when I first started. I was stuck in gold for something like 15 or more seasons before finally breaking solidly into plat as tank/support.
As a diamond tank and support this hurt my soul. I started playing with some buddies and we are now as a group low silver with one buddy being 1600 and the other being 800. I don't get how they managed to carry this guy.
I remembered I played support on pc for the first time got ranked sliver (Im a diamond player on console) and I wasn’t really trying. Just playing to play, next season I got ranked 2100. Went from like 1800-2100 without really trying. I play mercy btw so it’s nothing flashy I just never died. 🤪 I average out about 20k heals for like 10 min games with like 3k dmg boost.
What I truly don't get, is how this guy can be silver border and still struggle with mechanics as if he jsut got his first pc a month ago. Dude's pumped 1000s of hours to get that high level, and still is clearly struggling with Rein and says Sigma is a comfort pick. So if those are the only two noteworthy tanks he plays, wtf has he spent all his time on? Being afk in custom games?? Like, legit I can't handle it. I straight up refuse to believe one can be this mechanically inept at a hero like Reinhardt, while also struggling with core elements of the game itself. My only other explanation would be that he only plays when he's high - and to reach that level of playtime hours while high he'd be smoking more than bloody Snoop Dogg. Add on top of this not just his lack of gamesense, but rather his direct negative amount of gamesense. Accusing bronze of not having heals? It's probably the rank with most healing per game, tf is he on about?? In other ranks supports tend to learn that there is more to their job than healing, but in Bronze - especially as tank, you are gonna have a heal gun stuck up your ass guaranteed. This match was a perfect proof of it too. Dude literally couldn't feed harder while playing so passively, and still his supports managed to keep his ass alive through a shitshow like none I've seen in a long time. As cherry on top, he has at some point apparently been in gold/plat??? The actual fuck. Ok here is my csi take with the info we have available: The dude got his account very early in OW, and initially placed around 2500. Back then no one knew shit about the game, and you could literally place anywhere based completely on luck, and probably stay there for a season or two. He probably played a lot at first, but treated comp more or less like quickplay - aka not trying to learn or improve but rather just mindlessly play the same maps on repeat. So over the coming seasons, the general playerbase improves slowly but steadily, while he still treats comp like quickplay and doesn't learn, doesn't try to improve, doesn't try to limit test. Just plays in his absolute comfort zone. So he doesn't increase his skill/gamesense compared to the other players in his rank, thus he slowly starts a decline in sr. Maybe he even took time off because he saw his sr going downwards. When he got back into the game and started putting more hours into the game again, the playerbase had moved so far ahead, that he fell into a deep spiral of sr loss, plummeting all the way down to low silver. Here he stays for a bit due to rng and no one knowing how to tank at all, but eventually his lack in skill and gamesense surely takes him into Bronze, where he now sits and flips a coin every match to see if it will be a win or a loss - depending on how much his team can carry him and create the space that he won't fight for himself. Ok csi thesis over.
As a mercy / moira Ana bronze player (1150SR) I can assure you do usually do 25-30k healing so yep, definitely correct about the healing situation in bronze, this rein is just bad.
@@studiosoundguy from the few bronzes I've coached that does seem to be the case. Typically in higher elos what changes is that supports get more frequently challenged by enemy dps and have less time to focus on just raw heals on their main tank as a result (also tanks tend to take damage faster in higher elo so there are more cases where they end up dying before supports can heal them back up), but that's not very common to see dps do consistently in bronze
@@janow1689 silver border is definitely in the 1k realm, back when I personally reached silver border I had 350 hours on Pharah alone (and many 100 hours on other heroes). And I play a lot with friends which even boosts xp gain. And regardless, 600 hours for a casual-ish player is still a lot of playtime, more than enough to get past the fundamentals of the game. Again, refer to my original comment as to my predictions: big breaks, very casual mindset, xp-intensive custom games, and most likely an extremely relaxed approach to improving at the game (aka "I just come home after school/work to play matches and relax and not think too much")
@@Real_MisterSir its really not subjective, every border is 600 levels, every hour of playtime equates to roughly 1.0-1.1 levels of competitive play, if u factor in the first 20 levels of the acc before levelling doesn't scale ur around 550-600 hours at a fresh Silver border, variables such as playtime per match (1second equates to 1 exp) or medals (1goldmedal gives u 80 exp) or first win of the day (1500 exp) play a diminishing role, because the matchmaker aims for a 50% win rate of every player. So silver border isn't in the 1k realm no matter how u put it. I have over 3k hours in this game, one of my accounts Is currently at level 646 (fresh Silver border) and has 518 hours played on it (317 hours competitive, 161 quick play and 39 hours arcade). So it's not near 1k hours no matter what he played🙂
It could be that he was meta boosted in the past. I've peaked to low Diamond on Tank, but recently I've been struggling, and I've realized it's because I was boosted by tank balance. The tanks I was good with were super buffed and it just allowed me to coast by. Haven't dropped terribly far, but just goes to show how balance can affect that.
I know that it's suck being stuck in a rank, but dear lord, this was hard to watch. Just use the hero you are more familiar with or train in qp and study the various maps.
The amount of times he stood behind the window just waiting for his firestrike to come off cool down and didn't even use his shield to protect his team..... This guy probably bought a 2500 account after playing in Bronze and thinking the ELO system was screwing him over. Absolutely no idea about how the game works... wow.
that's literally one of the largest issues in overwatch because the game actually makes you think you are doing something even when you are not it's unlike other games when you can tell that you're just bad and doing absolutely jack
I think what this guy probably means by “I fell from 2450” is that he PLACED 2450 in his first ranked season, then promptly fell to bronze and has been there since.
I'm just bewildered that a player can be this passive- you're Reinhardt! You are a mighty warrior, a knight of the Crusaders, a member of Overwatch! Stop hiding in the same right-hand corner and spamming firestrikes at nothing, and FUCKING DO SOMETHING- Like, how do you walk right into a BRIGHT BLUE turret that is actively damaging you and not notice anything???
this is actualy a good mirror, in ow 1 i was also put into gold after placements and got into bronze bc i was bad af, i only got into gold bc my friends carried me afterwards, and now in ow 2 i got into gold by myself as healer, idk if i deserve that gold or i should go back to silver but im proud of myself
this reminds me of a friend of mine. he thought he should have been a diamond the entire time we played the game but he was a low silver and eventually he paid someone to boost his account up to diamond and then he quickly fell back down to silver and constantly complained to me about how he didnt understand how he kept losing the whole time.
Homeboy only played OW with some higher elo dps in QP. He hides and paths like high mobility DPS and avoids helping his own healers like high mobility DPS too. He has zero aggression because his homies are his aggression. He shields whenever there is a fight as a distraction and his homies do damage in circles around him. That may be fine and chip in QP matches but now he's caught completely unprepared to fulfill his role in solo queue. He's a shield bot that's never with his support or objective. Daaaamn, hope he figures it out.
I've been stuck in gold. I've had seasons where I dropped real hard, there's only so much you can do when you have teammates that leave, throw, or feeding super hard and crying about their team... The bottom ranks are full of people that think they know how to play and and when you don't do what they want they cry and quit
I once had a rein who kept charging in super long distances and then complained when he didn't get heals....and kept doing it after we explained to him that it's impossible if he is miles away behind walls feeding lol. I'm usually quite chill but he made my blood boil to some extent. I've had more organized players in silver (surprisingly many used voice chat, planned ult usage and made shotcalls) than in plat which is odd.
i am not that lucio, but spritually i have definitely BEEN that lucio, watching everyone on my team stand still in the middle of the map after i drop beat on them, huuuuuuuuuuurts
The perfect example of this guys playstyle is at 8:20. Man takes a little bit of damage during fire strike, then proceeds to run back to a health kit in fear instead of supporting the echo and commiting to those kills. Passive does not work with rein yet almost all of them play just like this
Dude that last bit was like... ascending to nirvana idk. I think everyone can take the insight of "damage beats healing on equal level every time" to heart in a big way. Also thank you for the consistent reminders of disclaimers for all the dumb naysayers who don't get that these people are *literally asking, quite literally asking,* for you to roast them.
More retro becuz why not, just do it. Also if i were never told that was a lawnmower i wouldve thought flats lived next to a dock or something and a tug boat was outside
Entertaining vid thanks Flats. I think this guy must have got carried in his placements and won then all so placed almost plat and then natural selection took over. Might be newish player since he didn't know the best pathing.
Yeah no, just watching them walk out of spawn at the beginning told me they were not actually a gold player. It's something about the way higher Rein's walk, like they have this aura of confidence about them. This guy looked like he was strolling into a bar or something, looking for the bathroom, idk, but he definitely didn't look like he was gearing for a fight. Maybe it's just me who notices these things. The Roadhog was definitely doing leagues better than our Rein here, wouldn't have really guessed the Hog was a Bronze unless I watched them closely. I myself am more of a Zarya/D.Va player, not anywhere near the best with Rein, but when the team needs a shield and the other tank is either being stubborn or can't afford to trade off, I yield and go to Rein or Sigma. When I must be Rein, I fall back to some of the things I've seen you do (meaning I learned what I have from you), Flats, doesn't always guarantee a win, but it gets the job done so it is what it is. (I am a high plat to mid Diamond Tank player)
out of everything, the movement/positioning hurt to watch the most. i don't care if you have potato aim and miss firestrikes, how do you trip all over a torb turret and never react to it
"Teamplay and concepts such as peeling and (most of the time) healing do not exist." Meanwhile 18:00 gets fielded right after getting saved by hog's hook and is pumped up in healing all for no value what so ever, they probably win team fight if they let him die.
Screw his mechanics, screw him being a shield bot, screw the lack of aggression or the inability to make space. Just imagine watching where this rein moves through the map from an overhead view. He's playing left side, right side, high ground, low ground, circling through buildings (sometimes twice or more). He just looks so lost. Im surprised his team didn't just tell him to go orisa so he has to pick a spot to play from.
You'd be surprised how much you can learn about tank/support by playing support/tank. Being good at tank and support allows you to see certain situations that are unfavourable for the other friendly role and back out of them
YOUR A PATRIOTS FAN!? LESS GOOO. bro so many fumbles and penalties cost us the game, we would have won otherwise. Mac looked really fluent and good, although he didnt take a ton of shots (normal for a rookie QB). but the future looks really good for us, great d, great coach, great qb (it seems), decent offensive weapons, great special teams. Im confident.
Yeah I play support a lot and get about three ults per round just on heals but everyone still blames the healers. I also tank a decent amount. I don't even think about heals or expect them, just know where the packs are and use natural cover when shield is down lol. Fav part is trying to jump over the enemy turret and instead of destroying it, he just walks away as it pelts him in the back.
This player doesn't trust themselves at all. They would take extra time to line up fires and always moved with uncertainty. Have confidence my man, move with purpose. Don't hesitate. You may be schitt at the game but so am I and so is the majority of the player base. I started enjoying myself much more when I became a decisive rein player. Still horrific at the game and the hero but I have a much better time. I worry that this player just had miserable anxiety the whole round.
Agree with you comment about the placement no being perfect man some of us work hard to climb out and then we get match with a fresh account that is just about to place and that bring us down so much because they don’t know the game at all
torb turret is OP against people like this because they just stare at it and do nothing. it also reminds me of a rein on my team who almost died to sym turrets after we got a team kill because he shielded and stared at the turrets even though they were within his hammer range. i asked him what he was doing and he said "well i'm a rein" and then proceeded to insult me the entire game because i noticed him staring at the turrets and doing nothing
When I started OW 4 seasons ago I placed mid gold and one guy thought I was diamond. 50 games later I fell to high bronze. As of now I’m 2900. Ranked can be a strange beast sometimes man. IMO he placed 2500 cause he got lucky in his placements then went on a heavy L streak
Dude...that rank fall 100% happened to me. I was never playing with friends or any of that...just straight fell from high Plat to silver...and so I haven't played comp since...because it's ELO torture
The rubberbanding rein:
-has shield, pushes slowly with shield
-shield breaks, backs off completely
-repeat
And doesn’t use his charge does not pin on shatters and does not understand how to aim fire strike and randomly fires it at walls
He is so far away from everything and everyone doesn’t even look at what’s happening around him
He also doesn’t understand the concept of dropping your shield and letting it recharge and what the other teams hero do
And he self-proclaims that this is one of his better games. lol
its usually from being flamed 9 out of 10 game because he pressed shift
The scariest thing about this Rein is that he Said this was one of his better games...I would hate to see what he considers what his Average or worse games are....
this guy was actually atrocious lol. i really think the biggest improvement for lower SR players can be to try and get to like 800edpi, or something like that. they always have high sensitivity
I think that he is playing on a much smaller screen. He can't see the sides and has distancing issues.
@@DavidRobinson-ou8fh
sorry, I meant dpi not edpi.
my mouse dpi is 850 but i play at like 4000 edpi
my point is that some of these players need to stop using high sensitivity
Holy sh*t.
I'm even better then this guy and I suck.... lol
"cause in this elo heals are nonexistent"
Walks to a mega while actively getting healed.
That is my fucking pet peeve in this game. When the person I’m healing runs into spawn or gets a mega. They’re literally just throwing a third of my ult charge away because they’re titled of just stupid.
@@cheesy4582 right? The problem isn't your healers not healing you the problem is you having zero faith in your healers. And it's one thing if they show you you can't trust them, it's another when you go into every game with the preconceived notion your healers won't heal you.
Have faith in your team. You'll win more by doing that then bitching at them. Like idk what it is about this game but everyone thinks they are the most important player, but there are six of you. You need to stop and figure out who truly is the most important player and if it's not you, figure out how you can make their job easier. Is your ana getting huge antis every fight and has godly aim but their tracer is being a pest? Switch to counter the tracer for her. Is your widow popping off all game except when she's in spawn can of Winston? Go dva to peel for her. Your reins the ultimate front liner, pump heals into him to make him an even more oppressing force. Sometimes you will be the star of the show. But sometimes you gotta take note of whose really the carry and pump your resources into them
Nah he had the zen orb and bap wasn’t looking at him. It was a bad decision bc he should’ve asked for healing but zen orb is not being actively healed
@@curse4384 does it do healing? And he got hit by bap spray you saw the healnades go off
@@bexzilla6388 zen is not gonna heal him fast enough, he was down 150
Don't forget Retro when Flats was a guest with Jayne and he said that even in those low elo games tanks get super healed and still cry🤣
He said "Healing do not exist (in bronze)"
His bap literally gets window every other team fight, has some great lamp placements to save that poor rein and the Zen's discord orb placements were crazy good on the first round too???
Yeah. Elo hell doesn't exist, if you're gold you will reach gold, if you're plat you'll reach it. This is just a bad mentality, and he should start watching replays/getting coached instead of blaming factors outside of his control.
"If I keep on dying that means I got no heal" too many players have this mindset
@@duro3666 There are things such as getting stuck in an elo, I sat in Diamond for several seasons, but I'm having a hell of a time getting back up there. One day maybe, just gotta keep trying.
I find I get those kind of comments a lot more when I'm playing Bap then when I'm playing other supports. I think it's because there's no on-screen indication of when you get heals from Bap, so they think it's not happening.
@@grefyon kinda applies to dps sometimes but not usually. Tanks always get heal pockets
Tanks have to realize that healers are more inclined to heal you if you’re being aggressive more regularly. Now, that’s different from feeding because no amount of healing is going to save a feeder.
If I know you're dead, I don't bother giving the enemy more ult charge. They always yell at me for it and I tell them to stop feeding.
I play both Tank and Support and the ammount of times Im playing as Ana and we get a Rien who doesnt do anything and I have to Cap and make my own space because he wont is super frustrating. Like dude get your big german ass in there and start swinging
@@devinaschenbrenner2683 the best Imma do is hold my big ass German engineered shield and pretend that I’m saving your Egyptian ass!
I like how he said healing is mostly non existent but in the first round he really only died to junk tires and walking in front of bastion with half health.
Healing is weird in Bronze, but I won't say it's Bronze specific. In all ranks, healing either exists or doesn't, it all depends on the healers, how much pressure they're receiving without getting some peel, and who's taking the most damage thus drawing their attention.
But anyone saying they're getting no healing is either feeding too much, or expecting heals to beat out damage. Because saying healing is non-existent is false, when I say there's non-existent healing, I mean it's weak healing, like a team running Zen/Lucio.
@@agentmaryland1239 most of my time playing overwatch has been spent healing or as a tank in bronze and silver ,sometimes I get lucky and wander into gold. If your getting melted your out of position or playing a really bad comp.
I get get being frustrated when you die on CD. But it is usually noting a good regroup and push together won't fix.
@@agentmaryland1239 had a Winston/rein player yesterday that would jump as Winston into a hog reaper echo while they also had zen while the team was regrouping he told me who played bap and our ana that heals where shit, literally he would run away from heals, he would jump into 4+ people while team was regrouping after he fed the fight before. Me and ana healed 32k DMG that was 65% of DMG taken while we had a reaper or echo on our ass entire game as well that not a soul cared about. He told us heals where shit, we told him we had regrouped 2 times entire game at attack spawn and defence spawn and after that we played a 5v6.
On rein he would shieldbot not move then when shield broke pin get hooked and die. He did these things literally whole game long.
This guy was playing in a 2480 SR game being high gold (and he wasn't a smurf deranking he had gold border etc) it's actually incredible how many boosted tanks there are in gold especially low gold half the dva's use shift into 4 enemies while a reaper or mcree is ulting the backline yet they say they carried after they died cous they ate 1 grav but meanwhile it's 1/7 and they fed 5 personally and reaper has consistently killed people, the DVA refuses to peel when asked etc it's amazing...
@@agentmaryland1239 also in lower ranks you pretty much can't run Lucio zen healing about 95% of the games because people just take to much dmg they peek when they shouldn't, they don't recharge shields when they should and then die basically
@@agentmaryland1239 i play a lot of genji and i get a lot of ana and they just dont hit shots. Which is understandable since im playing Genji, but other heroes that arent constantly randomly double jumping and wall climbing and stuff, have no excuse
what is most frustrating to me about this vod is the lack of conscious, intentional action. Flats mentions this, but it deserves to be said again. if someone makes a mistake, if they go on a flank when it wasn't needed, if they feed, that's a mistake and mistakes are fixable. you have to make mistakes when you're learning because you have to try things and fail. failure is when learning happens because you learn why you failed and ideally learn what you need to do.
but it's like this person doesn't even do anything. it doesn't look like they're making active decisions. they never move their camera like they're taking in information and making a decision intentionally. I don't care if they would make the wrong decision because we all make wrong decisions and there's nothing inherently wrong with that. but they're just not doing anything. they're just pressing buttons and expecting something to happen magically, instead of looking at what's going on and deciding to do something about it. there's no indication that they're having the thought process of, "the enemy has a bastion, bastion will shred my shield, I need to do something to prevent this bastion from just killing me."
and it's like this person has no idea they have teammates. I don't necessarily blame someone for not understanding they're getting healed because sometimes it's hard to tell when you're overwhelmed and there's so much going on. but like, dude, if you have 100 HP and your shield is broken, you don't go in. duck behind some cover and glance around for your supports, make eye contact, wait for healing or fall back.
it feels like this person is completely new to the game and has absolutely no idea what's going on around them. they're just not doing anything. they don't press W unless they have 100hp and their shield has 200hp. they don't shield for their teammates -- I'm like silver in tank and even I know the shield on rein isn't just to keep rein alive, it's a shield, you use it for DPS and to shield rezzes and to shield for your team as y'all cross open space, etc -- they just don't do anything. they never make a decision.
god it's so frustrating to watch
There is a huge disconnect between his comments and the actual VOD, there is now way he ever played in high gold without immediately dropping to bronze.
They probably placed gold cuz small sample size placements and then fell to their actual rank
@@kingkwong95 this. most people get placed gold initially. I was placed gold too but fell down to low silver (1600) and it took me a few seasons to climb back out because I wasnt a gold level player, it's just where the game put me at first because it's where most new players are placed. I was also playing moira which is pretty hard to fuck up too badly in low elo (for that elo anyway. obviously still doing a lot of things wrong)
I've never seen a Rein do so much and so little at the same time. The stuff he is doing is completely pointless, and the stuff he isn't doing is everything else. The healers were working overtime on his ass.
Pick any point of the video where they don't get rolled. Hog and echo are carrying hard.
As a Rein in gold, I can say that if he was in gold, he would get flattened, he has dropped down to the actual rank he deserves but there is no reason why he cannot improve and climb up higher - if he is willing to put in the time and learn the game. Work on adjusting your sensitivity till it feels right, depending on your mouse pad it could be higher or lower but in the end of the day it should be something that you can control and not the other way around and try to learn basic stuff like pathing.
What made me angrier was the fact that he retreat every single time, even when his team is with him.
7:43 He actually somehow missed everyone on the team there...
I died laughing
its wild bc i knew EXACTLY what moment you were talking about before clicking the time stamp, lmaoooo
As a tank main. This Rein made my soul hurt. He barely pinned, missed over half the fire strikes. His mechanics was so off.
Let me add, he stayed in the back, when he should of been popping off with the Hog. He played like he was scared, not an effective Rein at all.
Im not a tank main, but the problem that i see is that he barely use the shield, if he use it, is not that much, he tanks the bullets with the body xd
@@zerogravity3538 yes!! The shield placement was so bad. He might as well been a test dummy to shoot at 🤦🏻♀️😂
@@zerogravity3538 don't forget he blamed the healers for "non existing healing" or maybe he should of popped the shield up and moved back to get the heals... those poor healers tried their asses off for this bad rein.
@@zsariah858 that happened because he was tanking with the body, and a zen and bap can heal that much, so idk, maybe the healers can be distracted or be killed, but he didnt give them the time to heal :/
Awe, my heart goes out to this Rein. Divide your edpi by 3. Try seeing what you can get away with and still live by getting more aggressive in your games (play qp if you're afraid of losing sr while experimenting). Open areas are better against junk. Pick one thing to get better at for every week or 2 weeks and focus on that thing until you see decent improvement.
Ikr, ik this series is made to make fun of ppl but this genuinely feels like watching someone thats just… inexperienced (even for a silver border) if he just takes a while to play some qp and work on roll outs and especially work on movement and learning cover then a lot of his deaths would be avoided tbh
Alternate title: I spectated a bronze Rein who was boosted to gold at one point.
That speech at the end about no combination of heals being able to beat incoming damage on an afk tank needs to be broadcasted on the servers at the beginning of every game.
This game is everything why gold is the real elo hell. 75% of people there aren’t actually gold, they’re either plat+ or silver-. And the problem is they counter each other and there’s just a ton of people who shouldn’t be there for opposite reasons. I managed to climb out of bronze hell after about 2 seasons when I first started. I was stuck in gold for something like 15 or more seasons before finally breaking solidly into plat as tank/support.
When he said “breaking your keyboard drunk”
I felt that one hard. I legitimately did that just recently
@daboboy11 I had to go buy a new one LOL
@daboboy11 yea I did lol big upgrade went from every day work keyboard to a gaming
This guy plays likes someone else set up his gameplay settings.
Like he copied straight from a streamer
As a diamond tank and support this hurt my soul. I started playing with some buddies and we are now as a group low silver with one buddy being 1600 and the other being 800. I don't get how they managed to carry this guy.
As a plat/gold support Player this hurt my soul to watch, especially since he Blamed the supports for no heals. 😅👌
@@AtlantisBrooke Bap and Zen were PUMPING him with heals. He kept running from his own lamp and also ran to a mega rather than let heals charge
I remembered I played support on pc for the first time got ranked sliver (Im a diamond player on console) and I wasn’t really trying. Just playing to play, next season I got ranked 2100. Went from like 1800-2100 without really trying. I play mercy btw so it’s nothing flashy I just never died. 🤪 I average out about 20k heals for like 10 min games with like 3k dmg boost.
What I truly don't get, is how this guy can be silver border and still struggle with mechanics as if he jsut got his first pc a month ago. Dude's pumped 1000s of hours to get that high level, and still is clearly struggling with Rein and says Sigma is a comfort pick. So if those are the only two noteworthy tanks he plays, wtf has he spent all his time on? Being afk in custom games?? Like, legit I can't handle it. I straight up refuse to believe one can be this mechanically inept at a hero like Reinhardt, while also struggling with core elements of the game itself.
My only other explanation would be that he only plays when he's high - and to reach that level of playtime hours while high he'd be smoking more than bloody Snoop Dogg.
Add on top of this not just his lack of gamesense, but rather his direct negative amount of gamesense. Accusing bronze of not having heals? It's probably the rank with most healing per game, tf is he on about?? In other ranks supports tend to learn that there is more to their job than healing, but in Bronze - especially as tank, you are gonna have a heal gun stuck up your ass guaranteed. This match was a perfect proof of it too. Dude literally couldn't feed harder while playing so passively, and still his supports managed to keep his ass alive through a shitshow like none I've seen in a long time.
As cherry on top, he has at some point apparently been in gold/plat??? The actual fuck.
Ok here is my csi take with the info we have available:
The dude got his account very early in OW, and initially placed around 2500. Back then no one knew shit about the game, and you could literally place anywhere based completely on luck, and probably stay there for a season or two.
He probably played a lot at first, but treated comp more or less like quickplay - aka not trying to learn or improve but rather just mindlessly play the same maps on repeat. So over the coming seasons, the general playerbase improves slowly but steadily, while he still treats comp like quickplay and doesn't learn, doesn't try to improve, doesn't try to limit test. Just plays in his absolute comfort zone. So he doesn't increase his skill/gamesense compared to the other players in his rank, thus he slowly starts a decline in sr. Maybe he even took time off because he saw his sr going downwards. When he got back into the game and started putting more hours into the game again, the playerbase had moved so far ahead, that he fell into a deep spiral of sr loss, plummeting all the way down to low silver. Here he stays for a bit due to rng and no one knowing how to tank at all, but eventually his lack in skill and gamesense surely takes him into Bronze, where he now sits and flips a coin every match to see if it will be a win or a loss - depending on how much his team can carry him and create the space that he won't fight for himself.
Ok csi thesis over.
As a mercy / moira Ana bronze player (1150SR) I can assure you do usually do 25-30k healing so yep, definitely correct about the healing situation in bronze, this rein is just bad.
@@studiosoundguy from the few bronzes I've coached that does seem to be the case. Typically in higher elos what changes is that supports get more frequently challenged by enemy dps and have less time to focus on just raw heals on their main tank as a result (also tanks tend to take damage faster in higher elo so there are more cases where they end up dying before supports can heal them back up), but that's not very common to see dps do consistently in bronze
He's a fresh Silver border, that's level 600, if that's his only account he probably has around 550-600 hours in this game not thousands
@@janow1689 silver border is definitely in the 1k realm, back when I personally reached silver border I had 350 hours on Pharah alone (and many 100 hours on other heroes). And I play a lot with friends which even boosts xp gain. And regardless, 600 hours for a casual-ish player is still a lot of playtime, more than enough to get past the fundamentals of the game. Again, refer to my original comment as to my predictions: big breaks, very casual mindset, xp-intensive custom games, and most likely an extremely relaxed approach to improving at the game (aka "I just come home after school/work to play matches and relax and not think too much")
@@Real_MisterSir its really not subjective, every border is 600 levels, every hour of playtime equates to roughly 1.0-1.1 levels of competitive play, if u factor in the first 20 levels of the acc before levelling doesn't scale ur around 550-600 hours at a fresh Silver border, variables such as playtime per match (1second equates to 1 exp) or medals (1goldmedal gives u 80 exp) or first win of the day (1500 exp) play a diminishing role, because the matchmaker aims for a 50% win rate of every player. So silver border isn't in the 1k realm no matter how u put it. I have over 3k hours in this game, one of my accounts Is currently at level 646 (fresh Silver border) and has 518 hours played on it (317 hours competitive, 161 quick play and 39 hours arcade). So it's not near 1k hours no matter what he played🙂
It could be that he was meta boosted in the past.
I've peaked to low Diamond on Tank, but recently I've been struggling, and I've realized it's because I was boosted by tank balance. The tanks I was good with were super buffed and it just allowed me to coast by.
Haven't dropped terribly far, but just goes to show how balance can affect that.
A perfect way to start my day
YES
love how flats said ‘not to be rude but’ and then instantly went in on him💀
The Retro intro was unexpected, but not unwelcome.
Got my coffee and some good ol’ goodie overwatch 👏 thank you for being a part of my morning routine
I got my coffee too but for me the day starting to come to an end....
I know that it's suck being stuck in a rank, but dear lord, this was hard to watch. Just use the hero you are more familiar with or train in qp and study the various maps.
This dude probably got ranked gold at first placements, then just dropped like stone in a pond.
takes high ground...as soon as enemies appear jumps off it, forcing his whole team to follow.
Why am I bronze?
This guy: literally has no idea what’s going on 78% of the time
Repeat as needed until desired result is achieved.
1. Swing hammer
2. Stand on corner.
3. Press W as things start to die.
The amount of times he stood behind the window just waiting for his firestrike to come off cool down and didn't even use his shield to protect his team..... This guy probably bought a 2500 account after playing in Bronze and thinking the ELO system was screwing him over. Absolutely no idea about how the game works... wow.
THANK YOU!! that pissed me off! as a support just seeing him only shield himself the whole game just ughh.
It’s baffling how these players think they’re doing well when they actually have no impact on the game.
ahaha literally - its insane. complaining about teammates when you're playing the way he was
that's literally one of the largest issues in overwatch because the game actually makes you think you are doing something even when you are not
it's unlike other games when you can tell that you're just bad and doing absolutely jack
Oh, they have an impact, just not a positive one
I think what this guy probably means by “I fell from 2450” is that he PLACED 2450 in his first ranked season, then promptly fell to bronze and has been there since.
I'm just bewildered that a player can be this passive- you're Reinhardt! You are a mighty warrior, a knight of the Crusaders, a member of Overwatch! Stop hiding in the same right-hand corner and spamming firestrikes at nothing, and FUCKING DO SOMETHING- Like, how do you walk right into a BRIGHT BLUE turret that is actively damaging you and not notice anything???
this is actualy a good mirror, in ow 1 i was also put into gold after placements and got into bronze bc i was bad af, i only got into gold bc my friends carried me afterwards, and now in ow 2 i got into gold by myself as healer, idk if i deserve that gold or i should go back to silver but im proud of myself
This dude is afraid of using his shield for some reason
You misspelled hammer
@@ssj9devil true
But he's not afraid to stand there and face tank damage instead!
@@AfferbeckBeats Let's be honest. Enemy D.Va was just as lost as him 😂 She kinda just watched him go highground, drop then go back up
this reminds me of a friend of mine. he thought he should have been a diamond the entire time we played the game but he was a low silver and eventually he paid someone to boost his account up to diamond and then he quickly fell back down to silver and constantly complained to me about how he didnt understand how he kept losing the whole time.
that was a hard reality check i honestly feel bad for this man
watching this vod was pain...
otherwise, love the series xD
Are we all just gonna ignore the flippin moon jump at 17:10 I'm laughing way to hard at that for no reason
take a shot everytime flats says “mechanics” or “mechanically”
Homeboy only played OW with some higher elo dps in QP. He hides and paths like high mobility DPS and avoids helping his own healers like high mobility DPS too. He has zero aggression because his homies are his aggression. He shields whenever there is a fight as a distraction and his homies do damage in circles around him. That may be fine and chip in QP matches but now he's caught completely unprepared to fulfill his role in solo queue. He's a shield bot that's never with his support or objective. Daaaamn, hope he figures it out.
"I dont wanna be rude" noo Flats, you were supposed to roast them - what have you became? 🤣🤣
this dude is the only bronze rein that refuses to hit shift
I kind of felt bad for how this guy was getting roasted, then he got stuck on that turret at 14:38... I'm dying XD
I've been stuck in gold. I've had seasons where I dropped real hard, there's only so much you can do when you have teammates that leave, throw, or feeding super hard and crying about their team... The bottom ranks are full of people that think they know how to play and and when you don't do what they want they cry and quit
Its also full of people who go ball and dive when your teams dead
I once had a rein who kept charging in super long distances and then complained when he didn't get heals....and kept doing it after we explained to him that it's impossible if he is miles away behind walls feeding lol. I'm usually quite chill but he made my blood boil to some extent. I've had more organized players in silver (surprisingly many used voice chat, planned ult usage and made shotcalls) than in plat which is odd.
Retro said “you probably won’t see me tomorrow”
Petition to see Retro!!
i am not that lucio, but spritually i have definitely BEEN that lucio, watching everyone on my team stand still in the middle of the map after i drop beat on them, huuuuuuuuuuurts
The perfect example of this guys playstyle is at 8:20. Man takes a little bit of damage during fire strike, then proceeds to run back to a health kit in fear instead of supporting the echo and commiting to those kills. Passive does not work with rein yet almost all of them play just like this
“Blackout tequila drunk” and “Jose Cuervo” … I feel called out
I would love to see more coaching of games like this instead of *just* roasting, because insightful coaching for overwatch is lacking nowadays.
Dude that last bit was like... ascending to nirvana idk. I think everyone can take the insight of "damage beats healing on equal level every time" to heart in a big way.
Also thank you for the consistent reminders of disclaimers for all the dumb naysayers who don't get that these people are *literally asking, quite literally asking,* for you to roast them.
Flats just will forever be my favorite overwatch content creator🔥
I fell from grandmaster as a support player in season 5 to gold now. Partly because mercy was broken back then, but still, I feel so bad LOL
Give us an episode of R3tro React to Bronze
More retro becuz why not, just do it.
Also if i were never told that was a lawnmower i wouldve thought flats lived next to a dock or something and a tug boat was outside
thanks for shouting out my third world state flats! all the attention we can get helps!
Entertaining vid thanks Flats. I think this guy must have got carried in his placements and won then all so placed almost plat and then natural selection took over. Might be newish player since he didn't know the best pathing.
Aaaah watching Flats getting pissed more and more every second....
He's a quick play Quebert bro!
Get em outta here 😂
I think the big mistake with Rein is mistaking the time to be defensive and switch to aggressive.
I'd love to have the hog in this game over the hogs I've been getting in my games recently
Feelsplatman
Yeah no, just watching them walk out of spawn at the beginning told me they were not actually a gold player. It's something about the way higher Rein's walk, like they have this aura of confidence about them. This guy looked like he was strolling into a bar or something, looking for the bathroom, idk, but he definitely didn't look like he was gearing for a fight. Maybe it's just me who notices these things.
The Roadhog was definitely doing leagues better than our Rein here, wouldn't have really guessed the Hog was a Bronze unless I watched them closely.
I myself am more of a Zarya/D.Va player, not anywhere near the best with Rein, but when the team needs a shield and the other tank is either being stubborn or can't afford to trade off, I yield and go to Rein or Sigma. When I must be Rein, I fall back to some of the things I've seen you do (meaning I learned what I have from you), Flats, doesn't always guarantee a win, but it gets the job done so it is what it is. (I am a high plat to mid Diamond Tank player)
out of everything, the movement/positioning hurt to watch the most. i don't care if you have potato aim and miss firestrikes, how do you trip all over a torb turret and never react to it
"Teamplay and concepts such as peeling and (most of the time) healing do not exist." Meanwhile 18:00 gets fielded right after getting saved by hog's hook and is pumped up in healing all for no value what so ever, they probably win team fight if they let him die.
Screw his mechanics, screw him being a shield bot, screw the lack of aggression or the inability to make space.
Just imagine watching where this rein moves through the map from an overhead view. He's playing left side, right side, high ground, low ground, circling through buildings (sometimes twice or more). He just looks so lost. Im surprised his team didn't just tell him to go orisa so he has to pick a spot to play from.
@@GK-bt6fr i was thinking more 15:30 till the end but yeah watching him at chokes is hard, constantly breaking from his team to go to the death side.
new spectating bronze episode. Love it!
That's the beauty of PTSD. I'm always drunk.
i was literally at that patriots game yesterday
I'm a support main through and through and even I have better rein instincts than this player good lord.
You'd be surprised how much you can learn about tank/support by playing support/tank. Being good at tank and support allows you to see certain situations that are unfavourable for the other friendly role and back out of them
Thanks for the hard work retro
Yo, playing drunk does kill SR… but it doesn’t kill the vibe!
Retro is the GOAT
YOUR A PATRIOTS FAN!? LESS GOOO. bro so many fumbles and penalties cost us the game, we would have won otherwise. Mac looked really fluent and good, although he didnt take a ton of shots (normal for a rookie QB). but the future looks really good for us, great d, great coach, great qb (it seems), decent offensive weapons, great special teams. Im confident.
One of their better games tonight
"Knock, knock? Who's there?
Not your mechanics." 🤣🤣
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Falling from glory into depravity just like Eidolon from Warhammer and he plays like he’s decapitated
Got the feeling that it was a bought/second hand account since it feels like I was watching a really new player
My friends and I all sit around the same SR because we only play with each other. No idea who's the most skilled.
Yeah I play support a lot and get about three ults per round just on heals but everyone still blames the healers.
I also tank a decent amount. I don't even think about heals or expect them, just know where the packs are and use natural cover when shield is down lol.
Fav part is trying to jump over the enemy turret and instead of destroying it, he just walks away as it pelts him in the back.
the moment it finally hit you that was his first pin all defense 😂
This player doesn't trust themselves at all. They would take extra time to line up fires and always moved with uncertainty.
Have confidence my man, move with purpose. Don't hesitate. You may be schitt at the game but so am I and so is the majority of the player base. I started enjoying myself much more when I became a decisive rein player. Still horrific at the game and the hero but I have a much better time.
I worry that this player just had miserable anxiety the whole round.
Best tips: dial in your dpi/sens. Get a large mouse pad. Get a 120hz+ monitor, and a decent wireless mouse
Wow a pats fan nice my bro I'm from New Zealand started watching October last year and I'm hooked I have no team just enjoying the game
Watching that baby DVA just walk on free past him.... It hurt.
What a Ian even watching. This is torture damn 15:01
Small room pathing vs a Sigma, Junkrat, moira and Torb covering that room...
Agree with you comment about the placement no being perfect man some of us work hard to climb out and then we get match with a fresh account that is just about to place and that bring us down so much because they don’t know the game at all
torb turret is OP against people like this because they just stare at it and do nothing. it also reminds me of a rein on my team who almost died to sym turrets after we got a team kill because he shielded and stared at the turrets even though they were within his hammer range. i asked him what he was doing and he said "well i'm a rein" and then proceeded to insult me the entire game because i noticed him staring at the turrets and doing nothing
When I started OW 4 seasons ago I placed mid gold and one guy thought I was diamond. 50 games later I fell to high bronze. As of now I’m 2900. Ranked can be a strange beast sometimes man. IMO he placed 2500 cause he got lucky in his placements then went on a heavy L streak
This guy got burned to a crisp. Jeez
He said this was a "feels good game"... Lmfao he thought he did well
So many of these are on Hollywood
17:08 best part
Honestly. R3tro intros. More please 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel for everyone that was in gold that had this guy on their team.. automatic loss for them due to this guys skill level… sadge
i like these retro intros
Dude...that rank fall 100% happened to me. I was never playing with friends or any of that...just straight fell from high Plat to silver...and so I haven't played comp since...because it's ELO torture