Good education here. Danny is 100% correct - BUT. Magnepan designed this as a desktop speaker system. It is intended for one ear level position. It is also sold with a bass panel that connects to the two satellite speakers that are all you have here. I'm sure there still be a mixed response, but they need to be used with the full design to get a true feel for their response.
Exactly. I've owned these for 8 years. If used correctly as near field speakers they are outstanding. Correctly is the operative word. When driven with a powerful 4 ohm stable amp and the bass panel dialed in and backed up with high end sub(s) such as REL, this is a killer near field system. Why did I go nearfield? Because the 2 rooms available as listening rooms in my home were acoustic hellholes. I could either spend stupid amounts of money rectifying the situation or do this alternative. Was it successful? I haven't shopped speakers for 8 years.
He’s dead wrong, and this video is BS. Danny is full of BS. “The whole top end is scuh-REAMING at you. He’s reviewing the minis without the bass drivers. why would you review a speaker system without the bass drivers and not tell anyone? does he test drive cars without the rear wheels?
Danny You Are 1 of the Good Guys i ve been into Hi End Audio 55plus years you are fair & truthful We need More people like you Yes The KRELL Amp is Well Built Thank you for taking the time to To Anwser my ? Keep up the Good Work Best to you & yours for years to come
This discussion makes me think about the Bose 901 series 3 that I had back in the 70’s. Like any good rock and roller the first thin I did when setting them up was to point the 8 speaks toward the room and the single speaker toward the wall. Certainly I didn’t know anything about sound in those days. Also as it turned out I was always trying to get them to sound good with little result. Your discussion about the Magies made me think about getting an old set of 901s, refoaming the surrounds and testing them. I thinks the results might be interesting. Maybe of no value but interesting. Thanks for the discussion on the Magies.
As others have pointed out, these are designed for use with one or two DWM bass panels. One comes with the Mini Maggies. Using them without is like using a tweeter without a woofer! Also, these are nearfield speakers. They're designed to sit on your desk, up close to you. When you're in the near field, you aren't affected by the beaming. They just aren't going to work right if everything isn't set up that way. I've heard them set up properly, and they sound amazing!
Problem with the DWM bass panels is that they are designed to sit under the desk, and bass is directional above 100 Hz or so, so that's not really a solution as you aren't going to hear the 100 to 300 Hz band very well. Now if you take the DWM panel and mount it on the wall above the monitor pointed at your head, or put one on each side of the monitor pointed at your head, then that would be great! I am using Monsoon flat panel speakers crossed at 180 Hz, and a Velodyne HGS-10 servo sub crossed at 80 Hz. For the 80 to 180 Hz band I have 2 Yamaha YST-SW60 7" servo sub woofers that sit behind the flat panel speakers on the desk. I use a DSP to time align the drivers, set crossovers, and do parametric equalization. It's a tri-amplified desktop system. Bottom line, I want the DWM bass panels to replace my Yamaha YST-SW60 woofers and cover the 80 to 200 Hz band! I have so far only adjusted my system by ear using the DSP (it's incredibly flexible), but am considering a measuring system with microphone to see how close my ears are and to fine tune. I am considering upgrading my Dayton Audio DSP-408 to something better. I would also consider active analog crossover, or maybe even a passive crossover as Danny seems to prefer them over any DSP solution. I wonder about using a DSP system with measuring mic as a test bed to figure out optimum crossover points for a later passive crossover design.
@@todd8155 Cool setup! I have some Monsoons as well, and I find that I don't localize the woofer when it's off to my left. Under other circumstances I *can* localize it. I've noticed that localization at 300 Hz is kind of funny that way, sometimes it's an issue, sometimes not. Anyway, the DWM's I heard with the Mini Maggies were under the desk (2 for stereo) and they worked great. DSP measurements -- Room EQ Wizard will do what you want, very powerful and free! All you need is an inexpensive USB measurement mic like the UMIK sold by Mini DSP.
@@Josh442 - Thanks for your input on the panels, and I'll check out the Room EQ as you suggest. My next steps will be upgrade the DSP-408, and to get the panels. I know that many people state the the DSP's suck the life out of the sound quality, but dam the flexibility is nice. At some point the processing is going to be good enough such that one can't tell the difference. We may already be there.
Interesting video, but Danny's comments about needing a woofer makes me a little curious...why didn't the customer send the panel woofer that Magnepan include in the Mini-Maggie System? They don't sell the mid-tweeter speaker panels alone. So, were these pieces purchased new, or were they sold second hand without the whole system? And if there was a mention that the Mini-Maggie System is intended for desktop (near field) use, I missed it. Oh well....
Since it's a desktop near field speaker and they look like your head would be higher than the speakers, being a bit bright makes sense. Maybe not that bright though. That spectral decay is awesome though.
Wow, I have a pair of Monsoon desktops that are little panel speakers. Came with a small sub and a controller. They actually do sound pretty good on a computer desk.
Pearl Acoustics Sibelius speaker would be nice to see from measurements aspect, because you were mensioned on the Thomas&stereo channel in regard of meaning of measurement.
this set up originally came with a woofer panel you put in between each of the mini mag panels. Not sure if the original owner has that woofer panel but from what I read about old reviews (this speaker system is a good 10 years old at this point), it did add quite a bit of bottom end to the speakers as a whole. That being said a proper traditional voice coil woofer would do far better then a planar panel "woofer" of that size ever could (even a small 10" sub would greatly out perform it).
That may have been one of the best explanations to how flat panel speakers behave ever. Thanks Danny! By the way. Aprils fools is coming up. Got anything cool planned?
Just wondering when will someone send over a Pioneer HPM-100 for Danny to put through the ringer? Would be really interesting to have Danny test a legend and see how much hold up, how much has agreed, and how much of it was rose tinted glass. I'm in Canada, so just shipping one over would be crazy, hope i might see it tested in the future.
So beaming sounds like a great way to negate room interaction. No ceiling or floor bounce and no first reflection point off the walls of any consequence. Personally i sit in a chair and dont move myself side to side when I listen so this speaker type looks like it would be teriffic. I use subs with any speaker pretty much so no surprise there and dang if we dont need to worry about box coloration with panels... waterfall shows how quick these panels are which is perfect for high level amplifiers that are also very quick. This type of design to me is absolutely teriffic. I see only positives to beaming.
Cool to see you here ocd Mike , I have that with mgIIIa ,ever since I went from the traditional planar tweeters. To a speaker having the true ribbon tweeters.. They beam like crazy...very narrow sweet spot. But you're not wrong, I never ever listen off axis ..
Agreed! I never understood off axis arguments for any high end speakers. The audiophile's goal is to sit comfortably and maximize fidelity during critical listening - not to ensure that everyone in the room eating Doritos can hear Shakira at half time.
My understanding is that with line array speakers, such as a 6 foot tall ribbon, is that that the sound basically comes off even with the top and bottom with no floor or ceiling reflections, due to the physics of a line array Therefore with in a certain distance (about 3 to 4 times the height of the array) from the speaker, there is an inverse drop off in sound instead of the typical inverse square of a point source (single cone driver). I see this as a benefit minimizing room interactions like OCK Mike says! As one moves closer or father from the speaker the sound level is more constant as well. It is also my understanding that a dipole speaker, such as a 6 foot ribbon open to the front and back, has a figure 8 radiation pattern due to front and rear cancellation so that this minimizes wall reflections. I understand that this is over simplified, that this changes with frequency, baffle width, baffle shape, and beaming. This is one reason I find the Linkwitz LX521 speaker intriguing. Herr Linkwitz spent lots of time optimizing the baffle shape, and he uses dual v-shaped di-pole speakers...
I have enjoyed varying models of Magnepans since first hearing them in the late 1970's, but you need to be aware of their limitations. I think cone drivers do a better job overall, for most people.
That probably delivers excellent imaging in the nearfield, as a desktop monitor. Paired with a sub, that'd be a very nice desktop setup - with Danny's mod, of course. I'm all about imaging, so I'd love to hear those in that kind of application. Beyond that, though, well, Danny pretty much said it all...
I run an old set of Maggie MGlls, and I wish they had a little more oomph in the high end...my only critique. I love them and wouldn't change them for the world!
Have you ever heard the Mini Maggie? They sound amazing, but this is only *part* of a Mini Maggie -- it's missing the woofer panel, and it's also designed for *near field listening* (desktop use).
I was lucky enough to buy a almost new second hand B&G pro1.3fr ME with a 50 inch planar strip, the planar driver is build in a housing of mesh metal and aluminium weighing 20 Kg, what I don't understand is that in a datasheet I found it says it also houses 4 5.25 inch woofers, but I could only open a small plate and found no woofers, did I misread it or the wrong model maybe because B&G doesn't exist anymore? or are they are hiding the woofers behind the RD50 planar driver? has anybody an idea? thanks.
I have 5 magnepans , finally yesterday for the first time I changed my main speakers (Tympani I) out for a cone again As we got new furniture, and it became a bit crowded in the living room. I went back to a cone system (infinity kappa 8 was the choice we liked) I don't regret it , I didn't realize how much I was missing again having a dynamic speaker. Magnepans are fantastic speakers , but have a certain set of demands. I never liked them without a subwoofer... I rebuild 3 of them. They all suck on terms of termination, cheesy connectors. Crudely made speakers in general
I own the Magnepan 2.7 great speaker, what Denny says about the connection is absolutely true. it's heavy junk, also too many transitions to different metals and shapes this is never a good idea between an audio path. I myself have silver wiring directly to the membrane directly to the filter and then directly to gold connections, this only gives so much more detail. never used the fuse rings on any model, never had any problems with them.
Because they are like BOSE. All marketing to people that don't want big nice sounding speakers taking up space in the Hipster living rooms, so they end up with gimmick speakers like these junkers.
@@AudioGuyBrian Not quite like Bose. Bose have never made a speaker that sounds anywhere near audiophile nor even vaguely accurate. Talk about a true audio mess! Sold only on an inflated reputation based on one speaker that was hyped often in a consumer magazine known for it’s paid for reviews which were never critical nor accurate. I am adding that this magazine and it’s reviewer became an early meme in the audiophile community and a standing joke and universal laughing stock. As is Bose…IMHO!
Their 2 way Quasi Ribbon would have worked out better but I guess there was a market for a desktop sized version of a 3.7. They must be selling. Still an interesting video. Magnepan owner here but not those.
Having mini maggies myself I found them way too bright. I really enjoy larger maggies (1.7, 3.x) but these are not working for me. Any chance you'll be offering an upgrade kit?
@@JohnLee-db9zt Did you see the frequency response? Did you see the cheesy parts in the signal path? Did you see the steel connectors used? These needed help badly. No positioning of any kind will fix those issues.
I like to explain beaming to people by telling them a speaker will broadcast any frequency that can "fit" inside of it like a parabolic reflector or satellite dish. Seems to get the point across. Especially if they ever went to a science center and used the two parabolic dishes to have a soft conversation 50 feet apart from each other with hardly a lost db!
Maggie’s Almost impossible to drive with Vacuum Tube Amplification unless you have over 100 watts. Driving a 4Ohm load at 80dB Sensitivity is extremely difficult! This is exactly the reason why in the 1960s manufactures came up with solid State Amplification because they could go down to lower impedances like 4Ohms and a good quality built solid-state Amplification, that doubles its output at 4Ohms and its output into 8Ohms is half the wattage! With that said some of the DIY Loudspeaker designs that Danny Manufactures like his NX-Treme and NX -Otica, can use a 10 Watt Vacuum tube amplification because the drivers work at 8Ohm and 16Ohm loads at 94.5Db at 1 Watt! at a combined load of 8Ohms, ideal for Vacuum Tube amplification!
What about for movies? Same thing too? People hype it up and I understand the logic and reasoning based on its claimed to be capable of doing (for subwoofers that is)
Danny I really like what you do some people think if its expensive it must sound good anyway what i want to say is I have a Krell KSA 150 amp since the late 80s early 90s my music source is acoustic signature xx solid TT Cart sumiko pearl MC spkrs are Martin logan ETHOS Elec Stat & my early THIEL 3.6 4ohm plimius pre amp no mater what i do i always feel like something is just not right Plus sound defusers too i have upgraded the drivers in the thiels SCANSPK wire world ribn cables Eclip6 what is wrong with me a 68 yo USMC VETERAN still in that fox hole
Check your ears: possible damage. (thank you for your service!) Check your gear: might be something like worn out leaky caps, etc. DON'T let anyone pry that amp away from you. They couldn't make it today for under $15K! Make sure to have gear checked out by someone trust-worthy. Check your synergy: try to swap out a component for comparison. Use friend or good dealer or maybe the repair tech. Check your set-up: Clean all connections, double check your speaker placement, make sure your vinyl rig is as perfect as you can get it. Also the Pearl is a MM. Double check your cart. loading is for MM. Try loading it at 100Kohm instead of 47. change stylus pressure. Try something different like a Nagaoka MP110 or Goldring E3? You may not have funds to do some of this but if you have patience you should be able to get that turntable dialed in, if it happened to have moved over time. Hope one of these will help!
See if you can borrow a tube preamp to try in your system. The results may please you. By all means, get that Krell amp checked out and serviced if needed. Don’t ever think of selling it!
When you say you are a trained listener, you actually make sense with your logic. When Amir from ASR says he’s a trained listener, you can immediatly tell he’s full of shit
Nice job on the beaming description. There are a few manufactures out there that use a single large driver or large 10"/8" pro drivers with a tweeter. Doing the math I see the beaming begins in the 1,300 to 1,700 Hz range for these sizes. My question is does the addition of a wizzer cone in the center of the large drivers affect their beaming performance, or does the tweeter in the 2 way designs need to be able to play down to the beaming frequency in order to have a change at uniform frequency dispersion? Thank you. Also please, please, please do NOT talk about the tinker toy cable risers on you tube. ;-)
A whizzer cone extends the high frequency response of the driver at the cost of adding a ton of color and distortion. They do not help with beaming. Most speaker designers address the issue (if it is an issue with their design) by using some type of wave guide. A waveguide can help off axis response at the crossover point a great deal. To get really good off axis response you have to move to constant-directivity horns. These tend to be really big and expensive. I don't think Klipschorns have constant-directivity, but they should be pretty close to having it if not - but that is the size of speaker you end up with.
@@dannyrichie9743 Sounds like Magnepan crosses the DWM at 200hz, so that leaves a pretty big hole between 200-300hz (or up to 400hz as you mentioned around 14:09). Hmm.
Aside from this Maggie model, I have owned 4 pairs of Magnepan’s over 20+ years. There’s always a Magnepan in my arsenal of 5-6 pairs of speakers. My system is incomplete without a Magnepan… I downgraded to the smaller LRS
Why focus on the directivity ? You sit at your desk and put the speaker correctly toward you to have the best sound. Less directivity = wider spot but my chair is always in front of my computer screen and speakers are correctly positionned. Anything else I don't see ?
In fairness Danny stated that for desktop nearfield, that they may be very good for the application. Wouldn't be a good choice to fill a room however due to the directivity. And he stated that the spectral decay was superb, so a very fast, detailed speaker. This is how I use my Monsoon planar speakers.
joppe peelen (check his channel out) makes planar speakers for already 8 years. As DIY staff. His latest panels have amazing FR and sound really-really open, airy, and overall good. That FR of these mini-magnepans is simply terrible comparing to his measurements.
Weren't these designed originally as desktop computer speakers and they were sold with a bass panel? IOW, they were never meant to be used for room listening unless you are sitting directly in front of them? That would make a little more sense.....
First I love your videos, but you seem to degrade manufacturers for building to a price point and using ‘cheap components’. We’ll, yeah of course they do. How else could you sell speakers for sub-$1000 price tag. I really hate it when you degrade less expensive equipment, what did you think you were going to find, $2000 parts in a $800 speaker. Now if you find $800 parts in a $2000 speaker, by all means crush’em. Please temper your disgust a bit…BTW you sell $1400 speakers with $40 woofers in them so someone could crush you just the same. Thanks, and you do a nice job, keep it up, the information you provide is appreciated.
In this case, the issue wasn't the amount of money spent on the design. The problem was that it was poorly designed. Secondly, there is a reason we can hit low price points with our drivers. Most of it involves quantity buying and no supplier or middlemen. If they were sold using dealers and in low quantities like most of the more commonly available drivers out there, then they would cost three times as much ore more. Quality levels are top notch!
Tried a pair of the MMG W maggies for a week many years ago. About 3x bigger than those minis. Sounded like an alarm clock radio. Couldn't send back fast enough.
Blame your amplifier and/or your setup. Not the Magnepans. Your experience is very abnormal. Maggies sound awful when powered by a consumer level receiver. The speaker you bought needs an amp capable of high current output. If the selling dealer did not enquire about the amp you intended to use, he/she did you no favor. If you made your purchase without consulting a dealer or Magnepan, you have only yourself to blame for your poor results.
@@rogercobb3092 Agreed! I had no business looking at them let alone buying them. I wanted home theater speakers that I could use in 2 channel mode at times and run off a THX AVR.
@@Selene_M3 If a receiver has preamp outputs there are some modesty priced amplifiers that will allow one to be reasonably happy with Magnepans. The Adcom GFA-535 was an inexpensive amp that provided enough current and adequate power to drive Maggies at modest sound levels. As I remember, the maestro Nelson Pass had a hand in it’s design. From personal experience, the James Bongiorno designed Sumo Nine (a class A amplifier) can be found at reasonable prices because of it’s age and recapped inexpensively and sounds very nice. I intend to try an updated Onkyo M-504 with the Magnepan LRS very soon. We’ll see what happens.
@@rogercobb3092 The receiver does have preamp outs for 5.2 channels but 125 watts RMS into 6 Ohm x2 channels when running Stereo into my Q Acoustics towers which are 6 ohm. Very happy with the sound of them and 5.1 for movies. I've heard of Adcom and remember them very plain looking but praised for clean power.
@@Selene_M3 Adcom amps of that era were mostly plain dark gray boxes with a couple indicator LEDs. They featured sound quality beyond their mundane looks and modest prices. Also took to modification extremely well. The best of the bunch were probably the GFA-555II and the 565 mono blocks. (Hope I remember the model numbers correctly)
Oh boy, haven’t watched yet, but expect problems. The crossovers on these are really rudimentary In my experience, just turning your head when listening to Maggies makes the imaging fall apart. I do like the transient response, but the tradeoffs are excessive.
I wish I could find a non-panel speaker that had the sound of Maggies but without those trade offs. I love everything about Maggies except those trade offs.
@Gumshoe Beaumont The best example of a wide sweet spot that I have ever experienced was with the Shahinian Arc and Shahinian Obelisk speakers. Sit down, stand up, walk around and you can see the soundstage still solid in place. I wish I could afford those.
@Gumshoe Beaumont That review by J Gordon Holt is controversial. Many years ago I visited a shop in Long Island NY who carried a close relationship with Shahinian. The story I was told was that Holt’s article was rewritten by the new Stereophile leader who didn’t like Holts positive review. Holt communicated with Shahinian apologizing and saying that he no longer had any authority at Stereophile. Exactly how much of this is true, I can’t say. Nevertheless, I know what I liked about the speakers.
Wondering when and if some Walsh Ohms will get reviewed or if I can stomach sending one in for evaluation. Soundstage is 3 dimensional and reminds me of the Maggie SMGs...when in the sweet spot and "in the vice."
Welcome back to whatever it is we do. oh you mean piss reviewers off 🤣 Honestly I found nothing in they video disrespectful. I think some of the reviewers have too much egoism.
This is not an easy speaker to make a bass box for since you have to have such a wide frequency and where a bass does not play well. You must then have a high value crossover parts for the bass speaker to make good sound. Or an active crossover and an EQ. to avoid phase shift that you can get with large coils in low frequencies.
Magnepan MADE a matching bass panel that was sold as a set with these panels. The contributor neglected to furnish the bass panel or didn’t have it more likely.
Getting disillusioned with this Guy , great he could improve the panel they are meant to be near field with bass panels like a subwoofer under the desktop, what doesn't he get about that
Did you watch the video? I took a 10db peak out of the top end and raised the sensitivity 5db. Also, a woofer needs to cross to them at about 400Hz. So a sub-woofer under the desk is not going to play up that high and is too far away at that crossover frequency.
Come on….”beaming” is not a real problem for Magnepans: these are usually used to listen to music and sitting in the sweet spot….not to run a dance club. It is a design feature of these…not a failure of any kind!
I believe the term "good enough" might be part of their design philosophy and it's hard to argue against based for their price. I don't think they offer these anymore just like my favorite, the MG10. If it cost more than $500 for an improvement kit then that is hard to justify when the LRS is $800 and flat out excellent. Hard to use the LRS as a desk mount though!😁Sorry! Emminent Technology still have their small speaker which I think is about $1400. They are still in production at least. Danny has a new desktop called the LGK2? Can't wait to hear them.
Danny knows this speaker wa designed to be a desktop. He knows they are meant to be listened to in a sweet spot. That's the whole point. He makes the designer's I tent seem to be some huge failure.
I love all of Danny's videos but this one I think he went too far. This is a desktop speaker. To talk about things like room response and off access listening is just not what this speaker does. This speaker is designed for one person to sit and listen in a predetermined spot.
Moral of the story...this is a poorly designed speaker right from the beginning... Pretty impressive what Danny was able to do with it, but even still, it will be difficult to get great sound with its bass limitations and poor off-axis response....
Jeeze Loueeze! This was designed as a DESKTOP speaker! The panels sit on either side of a monitor with you in the middle. They were also sold with a matching woofer panel which your contributor apparently neglected to furnish with the two mid/tweeter panels. Your “review” is interesting but is rather like asking a cat to bark and dance on it’s front legs at the same time. Try reviewing this speaker as it was intended to be used. And for heaven’s sake, include the woofer panel. You lost credibility with this alleged review.
Magnepan speakers (Even the full sized ones) are the worst sounding speakers ever invented. Just a Gimmick. I feel bad for people that paid more than $40 for a pair of ANYTHING made by Magnepan.
@@rogercobb3092 I heard a brand new set about 6 years ago. The Highs and Mids were so over-emphasized it was like listening with soup cans over your ears. Give me large conventional driver speakers any day.
Why anybody interested in hifi would even consider flat panel speakers is beyond my comprehension. I just think some people are impressed with the gee wiz factor or think their friends will be impressed. Pure garbage as for recreating hifi music.
Good education here. Danny is 100% correct - BUT. Magnepan designed this as a desktop speaker system. It is intended for one ear level position. It is also sold with a bass panel that connects to the two satellite speakers that are all you have here. I'm sure there still be a mixed response, but they need to be used with the full design to get a true feel for their response.
100% correct.
Exactly. I've owned these for 8 years. If used correctly as near field speakers they are outstanding. Correctly is the operative word. When driven with a powerful 4 ohm stable amp and the bass panel dialed in and backed up with high end sub(s) such as REL, this is a killer near field system.
Why did I go nearfield? Because the 2 rooms available as listening rooms in my home were acoustic hellholes. I could either spend stupid amounts of money rectifying the situation or do this alternative. Was it successful? I haven't shopped speakers for 8 years.
He’s dead wrong, and this video is
BS. Danny is full of BS. “The whole top end is scuh-REAMING at you. He’s reviewing the minis without the bass drivers.
why would you review a speaker system without the bass drivers and not tell anyone? does he test drive cars without the rear wheels?
What a great teacher!
Thanks Danny, learnt so much from your channel. Love your work.
Danny, great explanation. Thank you!
Great explanation!
Great someone finally took a look at these
Nope. Danny didn’t bother with the bass drivers.
Danny You Are 1 of the Good Guys i ve been into Hi End Audio 55plus years you are fair & truthful We need More people like you Yes The KRELL Amp is Well Built Thank you for taking the time to To Anwser my ? Keep up the Good Work Best to you & yours for years to come
This discussion makes me think about the Bose 901 series 3 that I had back in the 70’s. Like any good rock and roller the first thin I did when setting them up was to point the 8 speaks toward the room and the single speaker toward the wall. Certainly I didn’t know anything about sound in those days. Also as it turned out I was always trying to get them to sound good with little result.
Your discussion about the Magies made me think about getting an old set of 901s, refoaming the surrounds and testing them. I thinks the results might be interesting. Maybe of no value but interesting.
Thanks for the discussion on the Magies.
Thanks Sensei.
As others have pointed out, these are designed for use with one or two DWM bass panels. One comes with the Mini Maggies. Using them without is like using a tweeter without a woofer!
Also, these are nearfield speakers. They're designed to sit on your desk, up close to you. When you're in the near field, you aren't affected by the beaming. They just aren't going to work right if everything isn't set up that way. I've heard them set up properly, and they sound amazing!
even if you did do the DWM cross at 600 hz ? or what
@@joppepeelen You'll still have power response issues.
Problem with the DWM bass panels is that they are designed to sit under the desk, and bass is directional above 100 Hz or so, so that's not really a solution as you aren't going to hear the 100 to 300 Hz band very well. Now if you take the DWM panel and mount it on the wall above the monitor pointed at your head, or put one on each side of the monitor pointed at your head, then that would be great!
I am using Monsoon flat panel speakers crossed at 180 Hz, and a Velodyne HGS-10 servo sub crossed at 80 Hz. For the 80 to 180 Hz band I have 2 Yamaha YST-SW60 7" servo sub woofers that sit behind the flat panel speakers on the desk. I use a DSP to time align the drivers, set crossovers, and do parametric equalization. It's a tri-amplified desktop system. Bottom line, I want the DWM bass panels to replace my Yamaha YST-SW60 woofers and cover the 80 to 200 Hz band!
I have so far only adjusted my system by ear using the DSP (it's incredibly flexible), but am considering a measuring system with microphone to see how close my ears are and to fine tune. I am considering upgrading my Dayton Audio DSP-408 to something better. I would also consider active analog crossover, or maybe even a passive crossover as Danny seems to prefer them over any DSP solution. I wonder about using a DSP system with measuring mic as a test bed to figure out optimum crossover points for a later passive crossover design.
@@todd8155 Cool setup! I have some Monsoons as well, and I find that I don't localize the woofer when it's off to my left. Under other circumstances I *can* localize it. I've noticed that localization at 300 Hz is kind of funny that way, sometimes it's an issue, sometimes not. Anyway, the DWM's I heard with the Mini Maggies were under the desk (2 for stereo) and they worked great.
DSP measurements -- Room EQ Wizard will do what you want, very powerful and free! All you need is an inexpensive USB measurement mic like the UMIK sold by Mini DSP.
@@Josh442 - Thanks for your input on the panels, and I'll check out the Room EQ as you suggest. My next steps will be upgrade the DSP-408, and to get the panels. I know that many people state the the DSP's suck the life out of the sound quality, but dam the flexibility is nice. At some point the processing is going to be good enough such that one can't tell the difference. We may already be there.
Interesting video, but Danny's comments about needing a woofer makes me a little curious...why didn't the customer send the panel woofer that Magnepan include in the Mini-Maggie System? They don't sell the mid-tweeter speaker panels alone. So, were these pieces purchased new, or were they sold second hand without the whole system? And if there was a mention that the Mini-Maggie System is intended for desktop (near field) use, I missed it. Oh well....
This video should have never been released for many reasons.
The are meant to be paired with DWM woofer modules
Great rendition of Pink noise!
Since it's a desktop near field speaker and they look like your head would be higher than the speakers, being a bit bright makes sense. Maybe not that bright though.
That spectral decay is awesome though.
wow, amazed they took this to market.
BTW, your Tinkertoys are showing :)
Wow, I have a pair of Monsoon desktops that are little panel speakers. Came with a small sub and a controller.
They actually do sound pretty good on a computer desk.
I had some Monsoons too. I still haven't found a pair of desktop speakers that sound better than the Monsoons. Too bad they went out of business.
Same here! I had Monsoon speakers that came bundled with a Micron Millennia PC that I bought in 2000. They sounded great.
Monsoon licensed the speaker design from Eminent Technology. Yep I have a pair too and love them!
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@@scottypalmer2158 I have some Monsoons, and I've heard the Mini Maggie. The Mini Maggie blows them away! (Sadly, since I have Monsoons . . . )
Pearl Acoustics Sibelius speaker would be nice to see from measurements aspect, because you were mensioned on the Thomas&stereo channel in regard of meaning of measurement.
this set up originally came with a woofer panel you put in between each of the mini mag panels. Not sure if the original owner has that woofer panel but from what I read about old reviews (this speaker system is a good 10 years old at this point), it did add quite a bit of bottom end to the speakers as a whole. That being said a proper traditional voice coil woofer would do far better then a planar panel "woofer" of that size ever could (even a small 10" sub would greatly out perform it).
Wouldn't sound as good, though -- you can always here the dynamic woofer.
That may have been one of the best explanations to how flat panel speakers behave ever. Thanks Danny! By the way. Aprils fools is coming up. Got anything cool planned?
Bose. All Bose.
@@KernelFault" We made some 901s sound listenable."
I believe those come with a bass module
Yep. I told him. Spoke to him on the phone. He doesn’t care. what a BS artist.
Just wondering when will someone send over a Pioneer HPM-100 for Danny to put through the ringer? Would be really interesting to have Danny test a legend and see how much hold up, how much has agreed, and how much of it was rose tinted glass.
I'm in Canada, so just shipping one over would be crazy, hope i might see it tested in the future.
So beaming sounds like a great way to negate room interaction. No ceiling or floor bounce and no first reflection point off the walls of any consequence. Personally i sit in a chair and dont move myself side to side when I listen so this speaker type looks like it would be teriffic. I use subs with any speaker pretty much so no surprise there and dang if we dont need to worry about box coloration with panels... waterfall shows how quick these panels are which is perfect for high level amplifiers that are also very quick. This type of design to me is absolutely teriffic. I see only positives to beaming.
It doesn't beam if used as design, which is to say on the desktop, where you're close to the speaker.
Cool to see you here ocd Mike , I have that with mgIIIa ,ever since I went from the traditional planar tweeters. To a speaker having the true ribbon tweeters..
They beam like crazy...very narrow sweet spot. But you're not wrong, I never ever listen off axis ..
Beaming is a negative. Until you live with it.
Agreed! I never understood off axis arguments for any high end speakers. The audiophile's goal is to sit comfortably and maximize fidelity during critical listening - not to ensure that everyone in the room eating Doritos can hear Shakira at half time.
My understanding is that with line array speakers, such as a 6 foot tall ribbon, is that that the sound basically comes off even with the top and bottom with no floor or ceiling reflections, due to the physics of a line array Therefore with in a certain distance (about 3 to 4 times the height of the array) from the speaker, there is an inverse drop off in sound instead of the typical inverse square of a point source (single cone driver). I see this as a benefit minimizing room interactions like OCK Mike says! As one moves closer or father from the speaker the sound level is more constant as well.
It is also my understanding that a dipole speaker, such as a 6 foot ribbon open to the front and back, has a figure 8 radiation pattern due to front and rear cancellation so that this minimizes wall reflections. I understand that this is over simplified, that this changes with frequency, baffle width, baffle shape, and beaming. This is one reason I find the Linkwitz LX521 speaker intriguing. Herr Linkwitz spent lots of time optimizing the baffle shape, and he uses dual v-shaped di-pole speakers...
Hoping you could make a video on a vintage TANNOY MONITOR GOLD OR HPD 15IN. Tnx.
interesting. the martin logan entry and mid range electrostats are about the same width, and they too cross the woofer at around 400hz
Can't watch this till lunch time but looking forward to it. These must be NEW or at least I never knew they even had such desktop babies.
I have enjoyed varying models of Magnepans since first hearing them in the late 1970's, but you need to be aware of their limitations. I think cone drivers do a better job overall, for most people.
I know a few people that love Maggies, but I have never, ever heard them in a system I liked. And some were some pretty high $ systems.
Still waiting for your old-school 3-way kit.
Hard to believe that only your speakers measure and sound like they should lol…I enjoy watching these videos 😂
That probably delivers excellent imaging in the nearfield, as a desktop monitor. Paired with a sub, that'd be a very nice desktop setup - with Danny's mod, of course. I'm all about imaging, so I'd love to hear those in that kind of application. Beyond that, though, well, Danny pretty much said it all...
Hi Danny,
Would all this still apply if the DWM mid/bass panel is being used?
The Tinker Toy cable risers are the bomb diggety troll triggery 😂
That's true.
I was thinking it was the new LEGO monorail battery play set🚉😁
I run an old set of Maggie MGlls, and I wish they had a little more oomph in the high end...my only critique. I love them and wouldn't change them for the world!
Danny is exposing the entire audiophile industry. Good work!
Have you ever heard the Mini Maggie? They sound amazing, but this is only *part* of a Mini Maggie -- it's missing the woofer panel, and it's also designed for *near field listening* (desktop use).
I was lucky enough to buy a almost new second hand B&G pro1.3fr ME with a 50 inch planar strip, the planar driver is build in a housing of mesh metal and aluminium weighing 20 Kg, what I don't understand is that in a datasheet I found it says it also houses 4 5.25 inch woofers, but I could only open a small plate and found no woofers, did I misread it or the wrong model maybe because B&G doesn't exist anymore? or are they are hiding the woofers behind the RD50 planar driver? has anybody an idea? thanks.
I have 5 magnepans , finally yesterday for the first time I changed my main speakers (Tympani I) out for a cone again
As we got new furniture, and it became a bit crowded in the living room. I went back to a cone system (infinity kappa 8 was the choice we liked)
I don't regret it , I didn't realize how much I was missing again having a dynamic speaker.
Magnepans are fantastic speakers , but have a certain set of demands. I never liked them without a subwoofer... I rebuild 3 of them.
They all suck on terms of termination, cheesy connectors. Crudely made speakers in general
I own the Magnepan 2.7 great speaker, what Denny says about the connection is absolutely true. it's heavy junk, also too many transitions to different metals and shapes this is never a good idea between an audio path. I myself have silver wiring directly to the membrane directly to the filter and then directly to gold connections, this only gives so much more detail. never used the fuse rings on any model, never had any problems with them.
Nice video, I am amazed about that original performance and how they could put something like that on the market.
Because they are like BOSE. All marketing to people that don't want big nice sounding speakers taking up space in the Hipster living rooms, so they end up with gimmick speakers like these junkers.
@@AudioGuyBrian Not quite like Bose. Bose have never made a speaker that sounds anywhere near audiophile nor even vaguely accurate. Talk about a true audio mess! Sold only on an inflated reputation based on one speaker that was hyped often in a consumer magazine known for it’s paid for reviews which were never critical nor accurate.
I am adding that this magazine and it’s reviewer became an early meme in the audiophile community and a standing joke and universal laughing stock.
As is Bose…IMHO!
Review MBL Extreme ;) or Bayz Audio. And their off-axis
It's heart sound signature
Manual focus is your friend. 🙂
Their 2 way Quasi Ribbon would have worked out better but I guess there was a market for a desktop sized version of a 3.7.
They must be selling.
Still an interesting video.
Magnepan owner here but not those.
Having mini maggies myself I found them way too bright. I really enjoy larger maggies (1.7, 3.x) but these are not working for me. Any chance you'll be offering an upgrade kit?
We are.
@@JohnLee-db9zt Did you see the frequency response? Did you see the cheesy parts in the signal path? Did you see the steel connectors used? These needed help badly. No positioning of any kind will fix those issues.
@@dannyrichie9743 When might we see these? And will the upgrade kit take the whole system as intended, with the DWM, into consideration?
@@spraguec They are available. We just didn't add them to our site. Just give us a call to order one.
Naas jawb hawkleberry… When your last hearing test done?
I like to explain beaming to people by telling them a speaker will broadcast any frequency that can "fit" inside of it like a parabolic reflector or satellite dish. Seems to get the point across. Especially if they ever went to a science center and used the two parabolic dishes to have a soft conversation 50 feet apart from each other with hardly a lost db!
So basically the ribbon tweeter Is a super tweeter without the super high frequency response. So even more basically almost a nuisance.
how could they sell that? Also i dont think that panel can handle a fullrange signal, without overheating.
Looks pretty flat already, but curious about the response.
Maggie’s Almost impossible to drive with Vacuum Tube Amplification unless you have over 100 watts. Driving a 4Ohm load at 80dB Sensitivity is extremely difficult! This is exactly the reason why in the 1960s manufactures came up with solid State Amplification because they could go down to lower impedances like 4Ohms
and a good quality built solid-state Amplification, that doubles its output at 4Ohms and its output into 8Ohms is half the wattage! With that said some of the DIY Loudspeaker designs that Danny Manufactures like his NX-Treme and NX -Otica, can use a 10
Watt Vacuum tube amplification because the drivers work at 8Ohm and 16Ohm loads at 94.5Db at 1 Watt! at a combined load of 8Ohms, ideal for Vacuum Tube amplification!
No Problem driving the Maggie LRS's with My Primaluna Prologue @ 35 Watts. They sound amazing!
Hey, what is your opinion about the Mini DSP? Or DSP in general?
The MiniDSP is known for sucking the life out of the music.
What about for movies? Same thing too?
People hype it up and I understand the logic and reasoning based on its claimed to be capable of doing (for subwoofers that is)
These things are $1300 🙀
Nah fuck that…….
Danny I really like what you do some people think if its expensive it must sound good anyway what i want to say is I have a Krell KSA 150 amp since the late 80s early 90s my music source is acoustic signature xx solid TT Cart sumiko pearl MC spkrs are Martin logan ETHOS Elec Stat & my early THIEL 3.6 4ohm plimius pre amp no mater what i do i always feel like something is just not right Plus sound defusers too i have upgraded the drivers in the thiels SCANSPK wire world ribn cables Eclip6 what is wrong with me a 68 yo USMC VETERAN still in that fox hole
Check your ears: possible damage. (thank you for your service!)
Check your gear: might be something like worn out leaky caps, etc. DON'T let anyone pry that amp away from you. They couldn't make it today for under $15K! Make sure to have gear checked out by someone trust-worthy.
Check your synergy: try to swap out a component for comparison. Use friend or good dealer or maybe the repair tech.
Check your set-up: Clean all connections, double check your speaker placement, make sure your vinyl rig is as perfect as you can get it. Also the Pearl is a MM. Double check your cart. loading is for MM. Try loading it at 100Kohm instead of 47. change stylus pressure. Try something different like a Nagaoka MP110 or Goldring E3?
You may not have funds to do some of this but if you have patience you should be able to get that turntable dialed in, if it happened to have moved over time.
Hope one of these will help!
See if you can borrow a tube preamp to try in your system. The results may please you.
By all means, get that Krell amp checked out and serviced if needed. Don’t ever think of selling it!
For me LRS. Sold my Harbeths.
So just put a cap on a Twitter and that's it? Let the mid panel run for full range?
When you say you are a trained listener, you actually make sense with your logic. When Amir from ASR says he’s a trained listener, you can immediatly tell he’s full of shit
Nice job on the beaming description. There are a few manufactures out there that use a single large driver or large 10"/8" pro drivers with a tweeter. Doing the math I see the beaming begins in the 1,300 to 1,700 Hz range for these sizes. My question is does the addition of a wizzer cone in the center of the large drivers affect their beaming performance, or does the tweeter in the 2 way designs need to be able to play down to the beaming frequency in order to have a change at uniform frequency dispersion? Thank you. Also please, please, please do NOT talk about the tinker toy cable risers on you tube. ;-)
A whizzer cone extends the high frequency response of the driver at the cost of adding a ton of color and distortion. They do not help with beaming.
Most speaker designers address the issue (if it is an issue with their design) by using some type of wave guide. A waveguide can help off axis response at the crossover point a great deal.
To get really good off axis response you have to move to constant-directivity horns. These tend to be really big and expensive. I don't think Klipschorns have constant-directivity, but they should be pretty close to having it if not - but that is the size of speaker you end up with.
The Minis come with a DWM panel for bass.
HE did not test the entire system.
The customer did not send us the lower section. He was using something else.
Can somebody please identify the dispersion panel directly behind his head in front of the curtains?
I don't see the upgrade kit on your site.
We did not know if there would be much interest in this one. So it was not added to our site, but we do have an upgrade for it.
@@dannyrichie9743 Does the upgrade do anything with the DWM Panel or just the mid/tweet speaker?
@@spraguec It doesn't do or change anything on the bass panel.
@@dannyrichie9743 Sounds like Magnepan crosses the DWM at 200hz, so that leaves a pretty big hole between 200-300hz (or up to 400hz as you mentioned around 14:09). Hmm.
So do we call you to get instructions or what? Are you selling a crossover for this?
We did put together an upgrade package for it.
Had to do a double take the first time he said “cone filtering “
That's comb filtering.
Aside from this Maggie model, I have owned 4 pairs of Magnepan’s over 20+ years. There’s always a Magnepan in my arsenal of 5-6 pairs of speakers. My system is incomplete without a Magnepan… I downgraded to the smaller LRS
TH-cam really wanted me to watch this.
So, the midrange panel is decent as far as it goes, and the tweeter is a bit of a mess.
Why focus on the directivity ? You sit at your desk and put the speaker correctly toward you to have the best sound. Less directivity = wider spot but my chair is always in front of my computer screen and speakers are correctly positionned. Anything else I don't see ?
In fairness Danny stated that for desktop nearfield, that they may be very good for the application. Wouldn't be a good choice to fill a room however due to the directivity. And he stated that the spectral decay was superb, so a very fast, detailed speaker. This is how I use my Monsoon planar speakers.
U take me to school every single time.... are big Maggie's considered as line arrays
6:50 mark
joppe peelen (check his channel out) makes planar speakers for already 8 years. As DIY staff. His latest panels have amazing FR and sound really-really open, airy, and overall good. That FR of these mini-magnepans is simply terrible comparing to his measurements.
Camera gets a bit shaken at around the 7 minute mark.
Yeah, I will have to remember to turn off that auto focus.
Weren't these designed originally as desktop computer speakers and they were sold with a bass panel? IOW, they were never meant to be used for room listening unless you are sitting directly in front of them? That would make a little more sense.....
First I love your videos, but you seem to degrade manufacturers for building to a price point and using ‘cheap components’. We’ll, yeah of course they do. How else could you sell speakers for sub-$1000 price tag. I really hate it when you degrade less expensive equipment, what did you think you were going to find, $2000 parts in a $800 speaker. Now if you find $800 parts in a $2000 speaker, by all means crush’em. Please temper your disgust a bit…BTW you sell $1400 speakers with $40 woofers in them so someone could crush you just the same. Thanks, and you do a nice job, keep it up, the information you provide is appreciated.
In this case, the issue wasn't the amount of money spent on the design. The problem was that it was poorly designed.
Secondly, there is a reason we can hit low price points with our drivers. Most of it involves quantity buying and no supplier or middlemen. If they were sold using dealers and in low quantities like most of the more commonly available drivers out there, then they would cost three times as much ore more. Quality levels are top notch!
“Welcome back to another episode of… whatever this is that we do.” 😆
Tried a pair of the MMG W maggies for a week many years ago. About 3x bigger than those minis. Sounded like an alarm clock radio. Couldn't send back fast enough.
Blame your amplifier and/or your setup. Not the Magnepans. Your experience is very abnormal. Maggies sound awful when powered by a consumer level receiver. The speaker you bought needs an amp capable of high current output. If the selling dealer did not enquire about the amp you intended to use, he/she did you no favor. If you made your purchase without consulting a dealer or Magnepan, you have only yourself to blame for your poor results.
@@rogercobb3092 Agreed! I had no business looking at them let alone buying them. I wanted home theater speakers that I could use in 2 channel mode at times and run off a THX AVR.
@@Selene_M3 If a receiver has preamp outputs there are some modesty priced amplifiers that will allow one to be reasonably happy with Magnepans. The Adcom GFA-535 was an inexpensive amp that provided enough current and adequate power to drive Maggies at modest sound levels. As I remember, the maestro Nelson Pass had a hand in it’s design. From personal experience, the James Bongiorno designed Sumo Nine (a class A amplifier) can be found at reasonable prices because of it’s age and recapped inexpensively and sounds very nice. I intend to try an updated Onkyo M-504 with the Magnepan LRS very soon. We’ll see what happens.
@@rogercobb3092 The receiver does have preamp outs for 5.2 channels but 125 watts RMS into 6 Ohm x2 channels when running Stereo into my Q Acoustics towers which are 6 ohm. Very happy with the sound of them and 5.1 for movies. I've heard of Adcom and remember them very plain looking but praised for clean power.
@@Selene_M3 Adcom amps of that era were mostly plain dark gray boxes with a couple indicator LEDs. They featured sound quality beyond their mundane looks and modest prices. Also took to modification extremely well.
The best of the bunch were probably the GFA-555II and the 565 mono blocks. (Hope I remember the model numbers correctly)
Lol have u ever seen a (ugh.) Lol I think my neighborhood heard me laugh. I was outside to
How the F are they mate it with there DWM if it already drops at 800 hz... and that tweeters is a monstrosity. jeees :(
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As in depth as you study this topic, Danny, you must have a lot of Scorpio in your chart or the correct placement in Scorpio.
Oh boy, haven’t watched yet, but expect problems. The crossovers on these are really rudimentary
In my experience, just turning your head when listening to Maggies makes the imaging fall apart. I do like the transient response, but the tradeoffs are excessive.
That might be something Danny could fix if you can disassemble them relatively easy without breaking something.
I wish I could find a non-panel speaker that had the sound of Maggies but without those trade offs. I love everything about Maggies except those trade offs.
@Gumshoe Beaumont The best example of a wide sweet spot that I have ever experienced was with the Shahinian Arc and Shahinian Obelisk speakers. Sit down, stand up, walk around and you can see the soundstage still solid in place. I wish I could afford those.
@Gumshoe Beaumont That review by J Gordon Holt is controversial. Many years ago I visited a shop in Long Island NY who carried a close relationship with Shahinian. The story I was told was that Holt’s article was rewritten by the new Stereophile leader who didn’t like Holts positive review. Holt communicated with Shahinian apologizing and saying that he no longer had any authority at Stereophile. Exactly how much of this is true, I can’t say. Nevertheless, I know what I liked about the speakers.
Wondering when and if some Walsh Ohms will get reviewed or if I can stomach sending one in for evaluation. Soundstage is 3 dimensional and reminds me of the Maggie SMGs...when in the sweet spot and "in the vice."
Welcome back to whatever it is we do. oh you mean piss reviewers off 🤣
Honestly I found nothing in they video disrespectful. I think some of the reviewers have too much egoism.
This is not an easy speaker to make a bass box for since you have to have such a wide frequency and where a bass does not play well.
You must then have a high value crossover parts for the bass speaker to make good sound.
Or an active crossover and an EQ. to avoid phase shift that you can get with large coils in low frequencies.
Magnepan MADE a matching bass panel that was sold as a set with these panels. The contributor neglected to furnish the bass panel or didn’t have it more likely.
Getting disillusioned with this Guy , great he could improve the panel they are meant to be near field with bass panels like a subwoofer under the desktop, what doesn't he get about that
Did you watch the video? I took a 10db peak out of the top end and raised the sensitivity 5db.
Also, a woofer needs to cross to them at about 400Hz. So a sub-woofer under the desk is not going to play up that high and is too far away at that crossover frequency.
Uh Yikes 😱
Come on….”beaming” is not a real problem for Magnepans: these are usually used to listen to music and sitting in the sweet spot….not to run a dance club. It is a design feature of these…not a failure of any kind!
Why would Magnepan produce such a mess? It's not like they can't do the measurements and listening themselves ....
I believe the term "good enough" might be part of their design philosophy and it's hard to argue against based for their price. I don't think they offer these anymore just like my favorite, the MG10. If it cost more than $500 for an improvement kit then that is hard to justify when the LRS is $800 and flat out excellent. Hard to use the LRS as a desk mount though!😁Sorry!
Emminent Technology still have their small speaker which I think is about $1400. They are still in production at least. Danny has a new desktop called the LGK2? Can't wait to hear them.
I take it unlike the Quad 57's electrostatic speakers that I use the mIni Magnepan are not a dipole design i.e. no rear radiation.
Unless the Mini is different, Magnepans are dipoles, just as loud on the back side as the front.
Are you really comparing Quad 57s to those mini Maggies? Lol
They are both dipole speakers not sure where you are getting your information from.
Pick up the Phone Danny, I wanted to address baffle frequency cancellation.. but you keep talking...
I much doubt most people listening to these speakers can hear anything above 12khz or 14khz and if you do it will not be for long. Basic biology.
So what the hell is Magepan thinking? Why put this piece of garbage out with the worst frequency response AND bad off axis. What were they thinking?
if they are speakers for a PC or desktop, why would you listen to them off axis?
Magnepan was thinking that this was a DESKTOP speaker!
Danny knows this speaker wa designed to be a desktop. He knows they are meant to be listened to in a sweet spot. That's the whole point. He makes the designer's I tent seem to be some huge failure.
I love all of Danny's videos but this one I think he went too far. This is a desktop speaker. To talk about things like room response and off access listening is just not what this speaker does. This speaker is designed for one person to sit and listen in a predetermined spot.
Yes, that is correct. The rest of that stuff is need to know information and using this speaker was a good way to illustrate those issues.
Moral of the story...this is a poorly designed speaker right from the beginning... Pretty impressive what Danny was able to do with it, but even still, it will be difficult to get great sound with its bass limitations and poor off-axis response....
Your video is refocusing in and out difficult to watch at times
Jeeze Loueeze! This was designed as a DESKTOP speaker! The panels sit on either side of a monitor with you in the middle. They were also sold with a matching woofer panel which your contributor apparently neglected to furnish with the two mid/tweeter panels. Your “review” is interesting but is rather like asking a cat to bark and dance on it’s front legs at the same time. Try reviewing this speaker as it was intended to be used. And for heaven’s sake, include the woofer panel.
You lost credibility with this alleged review.
Magnepan speakers (Even the full sized ones) are the worst sounding speakers ever invented. Just a Gimmick. I feel bad for people that paid more than $40 for a pair of ANYTHING made by Magnepan.
Get your ears checked. Magnepan is the best selling high end speaker manufacturer for a very good reason.
@@rogercobb3092 I heard a brand new set about 6 years ago. The Highs and Mids were so over-emphasized it was like listening with soup cans over your ears. Give me large conventional driver speakers any day.
@@AudioGuyBrian Some consumers will never appreciate Magnepan speakers. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Although it is not widely shared.
Why anybody interested in hifi would even consider flat panel speakers is beyond my comprehension. I just think some people are impressed with the gee wiz factor or think their friends will be impressed. Pure garbage as for recreating hifi music.
Because they have much better transparency and are natural dipoles. Some of them can embarrass any box. I miss Apogee Acoustics...
Magnepans are amazing speakers. They're fast.