It’s funny how there was a,ways the bjj vs wrestling debate.. but bjj has definitely started forming more into wrestling then it used to be. Even tho it’s always been wrestling in a way it’s very wrestling heavy these days. And I love it
I like it. Hopefully in the next lets say 5 years we're gonna see real high level wrestling. This is high level grappling, but in terms of raw technical wrestling skill, there's other guys in the jj artform that are better and more explosive with their wrestling.
Put simply, scrimmage wrestling is wrestling under the ADCC ruleset, where points aren't awarded easily, e.g. where the top guy has to establish control for a whopping 3 seconds before getting his 2 points. As you can see, Barbosa's pure wrestling skill didn't help much against Ryan's playing the ruleset and just standing back up after each gas-draining takedown. Scrimmage wrestling, as I understand the term when employed by jiu-jitsu people, is a philosophy of wrestling focused on saving energy (do judo rather than shooting for the legs), hunting for the back (duck-under / throw-by), avoiding submissions (again, avoid shooting), and preventing your back from being taken (e.g. the wizzer uchi mata, etc).
Honestly, that was no better than high school wrestling. The narrator is really over-selling their skills, riding on their jj fame. Just because they're good boxers doesn't make them good kick-boxers.
That’s nonsense. First, they are not wrestling. The rules and objectives are different because it’s a different sport. Second, NR wrestling is basically sitting down to explode for a messy scramble to double/body lock/wtf. Ugly to look at and works only as long as the engine is there. No distance management whatsoever. Watch him try standing up with Owen Livesey. It’s pathetic, like a grown up, toying with a toddler.
anyone who uses the most half assed wrestling technique in jiu jitsu becomes a master, because jiu jitsu guys just have too much of a ego to learn grappling that has existed and been advanced carefully by humanity over thousands of years, they insist on coming up with everything from scratch or it has to be some gracie guard bullshit from the 80's
You said someone who is good at Uchi Mata then put a video of Craig Jones LOL. You were better off putting a video of Fabricio Andrey. Uchi Mata has nothing to do with the knee…
Craig's advice actually makes sense. You're either tripping the far knee (arai goshi), or the nearside knee. If you're in the middle, the guy is going to stay balanced on your leg. Remember, this is no-gi, it can get very slippery and often don't have the opponent's opposite triceps. That's why they put you put one hand on the floor.
It may be, but it gets the job done by not spending too much energy (not shooting, keeping straight standing posture...) and focusing on counter wrestling (kimura, guillotine)
Wrestling for submission grappling is very different than "traditional" wrestling (amateur/collegiate/Olympic). The different duration, ruleset and overall objective change the posture/stance, impacts which takedowns are better, requires adjustments for follow-ups, etc. It may not look like good "traditional wrestling", but it's not trying to
What other matches should I break down?
You should break down Gable Stevenson takedowns, then apply them to BJJ
Please keep making videos, it’s soooo good !!!
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It’s funny how there was a,ways the bjj vs wrestling debate.. but bjj has definitely started forming more into wrestling then it used to be. Even tho it’s always been wrestling in a way it’s very wrestling heavy these days. And I love it
I wish all sports had breakdowns like this. Great Video! Liked and Subbed!
I like it. Hopefully in the next lets say 5 years we're gonna see real high level wrestling. This is high level grappling, but in terms of raw technical wrestling skill, there's other guys in the jj artform that are better and more explosive with their wrestling.
I love watching Gordon take our guys that usually never lose
Awesome stuff
Let's not forget that Gordon injured his right hand also which makes its more impressive
What is “scrimmage wrestling”?
Probably nothing
Put simply, scrimmage wrestling is wrestling under the ADCC ruleset, where points aren't awarded easily, e.g. where the top guy has to establish control for a whopping 3 seconds before getting his 2 points. As you can see, Barbosa's pure wrestling skill didn't help much against Ryan's playing the ruleset and just standing back up after each gas-draining takedown. Scrimmage wrestling, as I understand the term when employed by jiu-jitsu people, is a philosophy of wrestling focused on saving energy (do judo rather than shooting for the legs), hunting for the back (duck-under / throw-by), avoiding submissions (again, avoid shooting), and preventing your back from being taken (e.g. the wizzer uchi mata, etc).
Honestly, that was no better than high school wrestling. The narrator is really over-selling their skills, riding on their jj fame.
Just because they're good boxers doesn't make them good kick-boxers.
Did anyone else hear him say „NWO“ at the beginning?
Good
He's wrestling against another BJJ guy, so it looks better than it actually is. Nicky Rod's wrestling is actual wrestling.
That’s nonsense. First, they are not wrestling. The rules and objectives are different because it’s a different sport. Second, NR wrestling is basically sitting down to explode for a messy scramble to double/body lock/wtf. Ugly to look at and works only as long as the engine is there. No distance management whatsoever. Watch him try standing up with Owen Livesey. It’s pathetic, like a grown up, toying with a toddler.
On god
@@vodginator Nicky Rod beat Owen Livesey. How is that your example? He took him down several times.
@@vodginatorwell for the some reason he was not very important at wrestling
Nicky rod couldn't win a national title at a d3 level 😂
I forgot how close this match was. Barbosa got some good takedown attempts and could have won if Gordon wasn't so good at standing up
anyone who uses the most half assed wrestling technique in jiu jitsu becomes a master, because jiu jitsu guys just have too much of a ego to learn grappling that has existed and been advanced carefully by humanity over thousands of years, they insist on coming up with everything from scratch or it has to be some gracie guard bullshit from the 80's
You said someone who is good at Uchi Mata then put a video of Craig Jones LOL. You were better off putting a video of Fabricio Andrey. Uchi Mata has nothing to do with the knee…
Craig's advice actually makes sense. You're either tripping the far knee (arai goshi), or the nearside knee. If you're in the middle, the guy is going to stay balanced on your leg.
Remember, this is no-gi, it can get very slippery and often don't have the opponent's opposite triceps. That's why they put you put one hand on the floor.
it gets the job done but coming from wrestling this is horrible lol
It may be, but it gets the job done by not spending too much energy (not shooting, keeping straight standing posture...) and focusing on counter wrestling (kimura, guillotine)
Wrestling for submission grappling is very different than "traditional" wrestling (amateur/collegiate/Olympic). The different duration, ruleset and overall objective change the posture/stance, impacts which takedowns are better, requires adjustments for follow-ups, etc. It may not look like good "traditional wrestling", but it's not trying to
That’s like saying his ballroom dancing ain’t it.
Dude thank you. The dick riding has to stop. This is good wrestling
@@tomasgreen77What if he is not a wrestler but an analyst? Wrestling fans always say that BJJ just became into "mid wrestling"
This is not going to age well. Jiu jitsu will wake up to wrestling fundamentals probably this decade.
ok boomer