I loved how they switched back and forth between Old Bill and Cyber-Bill. Say what you will about Moffat’s tenure as showrunner, but those last couple episodes were spectacular.
@@probablyaproblem6549 I think Matt Smith’s era was definitely Moffat at his best, it was during Peter Capaldi’s time where most of the cracks really started to show
@@MichaelTabrizi1997 Meh. I preferred Peter Capaldi over Matt Smith. David Tennant is best and then Capaldi, then Jodie, and Matt Smith last. He was alright but he’s not the best.
I liked capaldi's acting in this scene, very subtle but the whole time he treats Bill differently, more cautiously, like he's testing the waters to see just how much of Bill remains inside the suit. To him she talks like them and walks like them and it shows through his performance how grating it must be to speak to a friend whose entire identity is missing but whose personality still remains. The Doctor sees the human beneath the suit but knows what that suit can do.
And it kinda does a parallel to Inside of the Dalek where he was so blinded by old rage that he couldn't bring himself to accept the existence of a nice Dalek, and was actually cheering to know he was right, dancing in the ashes of people that died to prove a point, while here he is testing her but he is also trusting completely that she is still Bill, he is not antagonizing her or anything, he is being kind and friendly as always, only with a little bit of caution. It is no Dalek but it is still one of the creatures that would fuel his deep hatred and instead he approaches it like a friend. It's a great display of his overall character arch.
It reminds me of When 11 talked to Oswin, he learned then how powerful a human mind can be, how it can prevent itself from changing by protecting their personalities, but he still can't help but be wary. No matter how much he wishes he could just see them purely for who they are, his experiences with what they have become make that impossible.
@@fooliecoolie5284 There's nothing he could have done. At most, he could have been a bit quicker, however, by the time he realised mere seconds made a difference, he was already on the move.
@@cynicat74 he put her in a dangerous situation because he was cocky. the entire point of "world enough and time" is to show that the doctor isnt invicible as the audience or he himself thinks. he puts her, missy and nardole in an unkowns situation even when bill says she doesnt feel good about doing it. then when the blue man comes in, he waits until he is pointing guns to intervene. and even after the guy has bill at gun point, the doctor still tries to win him over with a Big Speech instead of just getting them all into the tardis. the doctor consistently put her life in peril because he was overconfident, and thats what makes it all so tragic, that he knows and we know that this is his fault too
@@thequarrywoman1 it's a great thematic callback to God Complex, where he was different but still felt like he had the control of all things on his hands. I think tho that the 12th might have been more affected by the notion that he saved his planet in the end, it sure may have put a toll on his mind as a reassurance of power. He isn't anything different than the usual nor does he threatens to become another Timelord Victorious but we can feel how big he sees himself on season 10, specially with the pairing of teacher/student he had with Bill and caretaker/cared for he had with Missy. It showed throughout the episodes that he was in a more higher position, maybe unintentionally, and it affected him in the end. At the end of the day, it was only one of the various flaws the Doctor has throughout their journey that always ends up being destructive to themselves.
@@cynicat74 the doctor holds himself to a higher standard of responsibility. he has to given the power and ability he wields or he'll end up Time Lord Victorious.
When her hand switches to the gloved Cyber hand, and she tries touching her hair I legit got chills and even a little bit of fear when they cut to Cyber Bill. Idk how they managed to make such a campy design actually scary, but damn they did a good job.
Original cyberman design is honestly the scariest in a different way. New cybermen are imposing but the old cybermen show that they are very much from humans, but something way less so
While the modern cybermen designs are threatening in their numbers and military strength, there is no beating the original Mondasian designs. They really lean into the uncanny valley with it, the surgical masks just barely disguising the decomposing remains of a human being underneath. Even the exposed hands (not present here) are a chilling reminder that this was once a full fledged human, but that this is all that remains intact. The Mondasian cybermen might not have looked the most advanced, but that was never the point. They say themselves that they were augmented by "spare parts" just to survive, they used what they had for the survival of their race, and they are willing to do the same to any other regardless of their consent. That's what makes these cybermen scary, even back in the 60's, not that they are imposing, but that they are very clearly a walking corpse animated merely by their own will power to survive.
Oddly enough, despite being the oldest cyberman design, I feel like the mondasian design is the only classic design that still holds up. All the others were just rubber pretending to be metal, whereas this works because it's cloth with a few parts that actually look like metal. Although it isn't as futuristic advanced or impressive as Cybus and Cyberiad cybermen, they're definitely really eerie and realistic. Also from what I've seen they're the least emotional of classic cybermen, because it seems like the later versions are just kinda guys
her story is so heartbreaking, oh my gosh. It's definitely the most shattering. The way they shoot this scene, the little snippets of her being a cyberman and then a human omg. It makes me weep omg.
But she does get to go on to be something more- and something freer. In a weird way, Bill gets to regenerate, too- and she's luckier than the Doctor because she gets a more permanent companion to share the adventure with in the end. What makes me sad about it is that the Doctor never (as far as I know) gets to know about any of that.
@@georgerogers2120 He does! When the glass memory people show up Bill tells him that water girl came for her and she's travelling the universe with her.
I think that was the point...we were made to think that the doctor made everything alright again just like he did so so many other times, but he didn't, he couldn't, not this time
I think Capaldi was an incredible choice for the Doctor, but I found much of his time AS the Doctor to be incredibly tedious to sit through. The biggest issue, in my mind, was Clara. I fucking hated Clara. When she jumped into the timestream, they should've had her die, instead they had her hang around FAR too long. She had no story, no arc, so it was just her being stuck into every story. Just using Moffat's writing, look at Amy. She joins the Doctor running away from her "boring" and normal relationship with Rory. She spends time with the Doctor because he represents adventure. Then, at the end, she gives up being with the Doctor to spend the rest of her life with Rory. Clara's? She's a mystery, then the mystery gets solved, and then there's just multiple seasons of her...being a teacher? Getting a boyfriend? Who CARES! Every episode that revolved around that school was just god awful. By the time Bill came around I was honestly just tired of Moffat's writing, and Smile was probably the straw that broke the camel's back.
@@HappyLarry. You can dislike Clara for plenty of reasons but not having an arc isn't one of them. Her relation to the doctor is probably one of the most dynamic things Moffat has written as showrunner
I can only imagine her pain. I would also feel absolutely lost. Distraught. And it come out so well it's so well acted and so well cut between how she is and how she sees herself. I hate watching this episode because it makes me sad, but I marvel at it anyway, because it's so well made and written.
I really liked how messed up this was, and i feel like it was a bit of a cop-out when Bill became that water alien thing. I kinda like it when Doctor Who companions have sad endings, because it feels like a natural result of the Doctor putting these people in dangerous situations. It also would have been interesting to see Bill make the most of life as a Cyberman.
Considering she still had emotions while being a Cyberman, it wouldn’t be that bad. She is pretty much a super human and can choose whenever she wants to die. She just looked a bit scary.
@@JBexplores @JB Explores Ok you know I see were your coming from, and that reason is exactly why I hated the decision to let Danny Pink keep his face post conversion- it makes it ACTUALLY seem like an upgrade! However in Bill's case, the procedure is far more crude and in all lilklyhood any identifying features are GONE. I imagine that the fact that all your friends and family will never recognize you, and that half the universe will view you as one the worst creatures around would make it pretty bad. Also note that 3:50 the Doctor starts to say "It wont last long," seemingly indicating Bill will eventually see herself as she appears in the mirror.
@@kehi1809 Considering the fact that the previous episode showed Bill's human eye shedding a tear beneath the cyberman face cloth, I think there's more of her left than you might think.
@@SuperNoah9999 Yes but as the Doctor said, hes never seen a Cyberman cry. Im pretty certain that the tear was meant to forshadow the water-alien twist, which again I felt was a bit of a copout.
So the beam is powered by the energy of the emotions the inhibitor blocks? That's pretty unique. It also puts the terrifying thought of if all Cyberman weaponry is like that, and how destructive they are.
I will say one thing about Moffat, he did find a way to save the Doctor’s companions from what should be certain death only to have a catch attached. River lives, but as a computer program in The Library. Rory and Amy end up together, but are trapped in the past. Clara can go on despite us seeing her killed by the raven, but she’ll be stuck her last two heartbeats. Bill can keep going after being turned into a cyber man, but she’s now a watery thing (at least she gets to travel with Heather)
We definitely have different perspectives on this. As opposed to your view of the ends of the companions' stories coming with a catch, I see it as The Doctor doing as Clara has always told him: he was being a Doctor and making his companions' lives/deaths better. River sacrifices herself to save 10 but thanks to the Sonic that was gifted to her by 12, she gets to live forever, saved in the Library, amongst friends that became dear to her in her final corporeal years. Saved by the Doctor who knew her completely, and knew himself so well and he'd be clever enough as 10 to figure it out. Amy and Rory got the normal life they wanted and got to spend the rest of their years together, always cherishing the time they spent with The Doctor and how they became inseparable to each other. It took traveling with the Doctor, a hiatus, and a reunion with the Doctor for them both to realize they were far better together. For Clara, she died trying to become like the Doctor, but because the Doctor pulled her from her fate, she now lives as long as she wants to between those final heartbeats. The Doctor gave her the choice to live and live with meaning. He so badly wanted Clara to live that he sacrificed his knowledge of her so that she could be free. Bill was saved from a most horrible existence and now basically has the same deal as Clara. For everyone, tragic as their deaths/separation from the Doctor was, life wasn't ending, but it was changed.
Clara didn't have to go through knowing the doctor for a long time plus Clara messed up the daleks memory of the doctor and blew up the whole dalek plannet, bill on the other hand knew the doctor for a long time, turned into a cyberman and then had to fight with cyber programming and it was clearly getting to her via scenes where it shows her being party cyberman and bill had to live seeing the doctor lieing on the floor and presumably dead whilst being a cyberman.
This episode hit my in the stomach hard. No one being able to see her and only seeing a dangerous cyberman and not being able to do anything about it...
Now I really want to see this Cybermen story, it’s so unique and shows off the Modas Cybermen… I’ve only know the Cybus and Nightmare Sliver Cybermen, and I have a soft spot for the Cyber Warriors and Cyber Masters… in terms of designs.
If I had a nickel for every time Steven Moffat turned a companion into a doctor who monster I'd have three nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened thrice.
In my opinion, I think that Bill had the worst fait of the modern who companions. Watching this scene makes me so sad to see the switching between Cyberman Bill and Old Bill. I know she got to go off and be happy in the end, but seeing this scene is truly heartbreaking.
Indeed. Whereas the majority of New-Who companions either get separated from the Doctor by force (Rose, Donna, Amy & Rory) or end up leaving him/her on their own terms (Martha, Clara, The "Fam"), Bill has indeed suffered the most out of them all, only in the span of two episodes.
Rose was abandoned. Martha was second-favorite. Donna was forced to forget. Amy was trapped in the past. Clara was forgotten. Bill became a fucking cyber man. *Never become friends with the Doctor.*
There was also the fact that Martha's entire family was enslaved by an alien psychopath for an whole year but yeah the Doctor picking favourites was pretty bad too I guess.
If I had a nickel for every time a companion had been converted into a monster, but was in denial of what they'd become, I'd have two nickels, which is not much, but actually strange that it's happened twice.
I wish there was an alternate cut of the episode with just Cyber-Bill. Not saying it would be better; It would be a different kind of heart breaking to see this sadness, rage, and confusion when the one feeling it can’t express emotion.
So not sure if I just forgot but don't Cybermen have an emotional inhibiter in them. So even if her mind has created a veil around her showing her as she is, wouldn't the electronic part of her still suppress her emotions?
Mondasian Cybermen don't remove / suppress emotions and pain, they're just programmed to ignore it. And yes, the programming of the Cybermen was winning in her mind, she likely only lasted as long as she did because she spent so long isolated from the rest of the Cybermen, and she wasn't fully patched into the neural net anyway. She was only able to locate Bill in the neural net because obviously she is Bill.
The emotional inhibitor also comes with an emotional inhibitor inhibitor that is only active whenever it is necessitated by the plot. See, CyberDanny, CyberLethbridge-Stewart, CyberCraig, CyberYvonne, CyberHartigan And last but not least, CyberBill.
@@abbyalphonse499 it’s almost like characters who have been shown to have strong wills or greatly care about certain things like country or another person can win
Which makes sense, as a Borg is easier to turn back. A Cyberman is tricky to be restored from, as it depends on how much was removed. A Dalek is almost impossible to reverse, as they only use your head.
Sure Daleks and weeping angels and Sontarans and Silence are scary but all they do is kill you… Cybermen strip away who you are leaving you a literal shell of who you once were
@@malphasblackwing420 That's not the same. That's proper death in your own time. The other is a, in a twisted sort of way, a second shot at life under different circumstances but you are still you.
By far worse the worse companion fate ever in Doctor Who what’s worse she didn’t know she was a cyberman bruh I couldn’t deal like my mind broke for her because Jesus I’d freaking lost it
Now this is Doctor Who. It covers difficult subject. The recurring idea that when someone undergoes something as traumatic as this their mind rejects it and builds an illusion of them from their memories. Where did it go wrong after this? :( Interesting how Bill is shown alternately as the cyberman and her old self. When she shoots that laser you can see tracings of the Cyberman head over her own. This scene is masterfully (heh) done
Bill must have been the companion with all the bad luck. Yeah, she was constantly reminding us she was a lesbian, but the Doctor’s companions were usually left in good shape. They didn’t usually die or be assimilated. She waited...
This is such a horrifying and heartbreaking scene and would've been a top-tier way for Bill to depart the show, but instead Moffat had to ruin it by turning her into some weird space water instead.
This is your fault, Doctor. You abandoned her. You left her for dead. You left her in that place for 10 years. You allowed them to turn her into that thing. You allowed them to strip her of her body and trap her in an inescapable hell. This all your fault, you monster.
This was the only point that I felt anything positive for Bill for how soul-shattering this was for her. I mean, who wouldn’t feel pain for her despite the flaws of her character?
_"Because you're a Cyberman!"_
*cuts to upbeat jazzy outro music*
Ikr
@scftlcve Year late necropost
@@WiloPolis03wait how did uou post this a year before your original post
@@justsomeguywithaforeheadmu6209 I didn't?
Also that's a two year late necropost lol, so many necroposts. Maybe I'll start a chain
@@WiloPolis03 tf is a necropost
I loved how they switched back and forth between Old Bill and Cyber-Bill. Say what you will about Moffat’s tenure as showrunner, but those last couple episodes were spectacular.
yeah i actually liked moffat (if anything hes better than chibnall ugh)
Cybill
@@probablyaproblem6549 I think Matt Smith’s era was definitely Moffat at his best, it was during Peter Capaldi’s time where most of the cracks really started to show
@@MichaelTabrizi1997 Meh. I preferred Peter Capaldi over Matt Smith. David Tennant is best and then Capaldi, then Jodie, and Matt Smith last. He was alright but he’s not the best.
@@mystics1ay3r17 I think he was the best tied with Tennant.
I liked capaldi's acting in this scene, very subtle but the whole time he treats Bill differently, more cautiously, like he's testing the waters to see just how much of Bill remains inside the suit. To him she talks like them and walks like them and it shows through his performance how grating it must be to speak to a friend whose entire identity is missing but whose personality still remains. The Doctor sees the human beneath the suit but knows what that suit can do.
And it kinda does a parallel to Inside of the Dalek where he was so blinded by old rage that he couldn't bring himself to accept the existence of a nice Dalek, and was actually cheering to know he was right, dancing in the ashes of people that died to prove a point, while here he is testing her but he is also trusting completely that she is still Bill, he is not antagonizing her or anything, he is being kind and friendly as always, only with a little bit of caution. It is no Dalek but it is still one of the creatures that would fuel his deep hatred and instead he approaches it like a friend. It's a great display of his overall character arch.
It reminds me of When 11 talked to Oswin, he learned then how powerful a human mind can be, how it can prevent itself from changing by protecting their personalities, but he still can't help but be wary. No matter how much he wishes he could just see them purely for who they are, his experiences with what they have become make that impossible.
Notice how he makes sure bill isn’t between him and the door before the conversation gets hard
You could tell he wanted to offer her a Jelly Baby.
Doctor: Because you’re a cyberman.
Disco music: *starts*
must be a work of a enemy stand
@@lumine9595 bruno wth are you doing here go back in to your universe
@@aresskay639 it got reset to much and now I'm here
@@lumine9595 damn was it Pucci again?
@@aresskay639 yeah
She waited...
That scene will haunt me for years.
Pity Bill only had one season .
She was an amazing companion. Also having that girl who was killed? by the water thing come back for her was fantastic writing.
I never liked her as a companion. I found her annoying. But doing this to her seemed all kinds of fucked up
I love how gentle the Doctor was as he tried to break it to Bill that she was a cyberman.
Well he should be walking on eggshells, he abandoned her, it's his fault she's that way
@@fooliecoolie5284 There's nothing he could have done. At most, he could have been a bit quicker, however, by the time he realised mere seconds made a difference, he was already on the move.
@@cynicat74 he put her in a dangerous situation because he was cocky. the entire point of "world enough and time" is to show that the doctor isnt invicible as the audience or he himself thinks. he puts her, missy and nardole in an unkowns situation even when bill says she doesnt feel good about doing it. then when the blue man comes in, he waits until he is pointing guns to intervene. and even after the guy has bill at gun point, the doctor still tries to win him over with a Big Speech instead of just getting them all into the tardis. the doctor consistently put her life in peril because he was overconfident, and thats what makes it all so tragic, that he knows and we know that this is his fault too
@@thequarrywoman1 it's a great thematic callback to God Complex, where he was different but still felt like he had the control of all things on his hands. I think tho that the 12th might have been more affected by the notion that he saved his planet in the end, it sure may have put a toll on his mind as a reassurance of power. He isn't anything different than the usual nor does he threatens to become another Timelord Victorious but we can feel how big he sees himself on season 10, specially with the pairing of teacher/student he had with Bill and caretaker/cared for he had with Missy. It showed throughout the episodes that he was in a more higher position, maybe unintentionally, and it affected him in the end. At the end of the day, it was only one of the various flaws the Doctor has throughout their journey that always ends up being destructive to themselves.
@@cynicat74 the doctor holds himself to a higher standard of responsibility. he has to given the power and ability he wields or he'll end up Time Lord Victorious.
I love that her movements before she saw her reflection were almost robotic
Never noticed that till now good eye.
“You left me alone for 10 years. Why can’t I be angry?”
**LASER GETTING FIRED**
@@Iknowhowbadthisnameis8828because of that
@@charlesweber5052that’s why
@@Iknowhowbadthisnameis8828 *DOOR GETTING BLOWN ALL TO HELL*
Anger leads to hatred, hatred leads to... PEW PEW!
When her hand switches to the gloved Cyber hand, and she tries touching her hair I legit got chills and even a little bit of fear when they cut to Cyber Bill. Idk how they managed to make such a campy design actually scary, but damn they did a good job.
Original cyberman design is honestly the scariest in a different way. New cybermen are imposing but the old cybermen show that they are very much from humans, but something way less so
While the modern cybermen designs are threatening in their numbers and military strength, there is no beating the original Mondasian designs. They really lean into the uncanny valley with it, the surgical masks just barely disguising the decomposing remains of a human being underneath. Even the exposed hands (not present here) are a chilling reminder that this was once a full fledged human, but that this is all that remains intact. The Mondasian cybermen might not have looked the most advanced, but that was never the point. They say themselves that they were augmented by "spare parts" just to survive, they used what they had for the survival of their race, and they are willing to do the same to any other regardless of their consent. That's what makes these cybermen scary, even back in the 60's, not that they are imposing, but that they are very clearly a walking corpse animated merely by their own will power to survive.
Oddly enough, despite being the oldest cyberman design, I feel like the mondasian design is the only classic design that still holds up. All the others were just rubber pretending to be metal, whereas this works because it's cloth with a few parts that actually look like metal. Although it isn't as futuristic advanced or impressive as Cybus and Cyberiad cybermen, they're definitely really eerie and realistic. Also from what I've seen they're the least emotional of classic cybermen, because it seems like the later versions are just kinda guys
her story is so heartbreaking, oh my gosh. It's definitely the most shattering. The way they shoot this scene, the little snippets of her being a cyberman and then a human omg. It makes me weep omg.
You know I thought Donna’s departure was sad because she got her memories erased. This is MUCH worse.
But she does get to go on to be something more- and something freer. In a weird way, Bill gets to regenerate, too- and she's luckier than the Doctor because she gets a more permanent companion to share the adventure with in the end.
What makes me sad about it is that the Doctor never (as far as I know) gets to know about any of that.
@@georgerogers2120 He does! When the glass memory people show up Bill tells him that water girl came for her and she's travelling the universe with her.
Its sad both clara and bill that they turn into dalek and cyberman. But both of them had strong mind and spirit to fight back the system.
That wasnt clara, that was just a copy. Doctor himself said those other versions arent her.
@@theprodigaltrue Clara did it again in series 9, wish they at least acknowledged that it had happened before tho
@@WiloPolis03 whst do you mean? The episode with clara and missy on scaro when missy tricked her into getting in a dalek suit?
@@theprodigaltrue Yeah, not sure which instance the commenter is talking about though
@@WiloPolis03 hes talking about asylum of the daleks when the daleks turned another version of clara into a dalek
ok, a cyberman with proper emotions is incredibly dangerous.
This scene tricked me so much thinking Bill was nolonger a cyberman. Im just too thick. Its so sad to see Bill angry.
I think that was the point...we were made to think that the doctor made everything alright again just like he did so so many other times, but he didn't, he couldn't, not this time
This is why I believe the Capaldi era is underrated. The writing towards the end was fantastic.
Capaldi is my favorite Doctor.
I think Capaldi was an incredible choice for the Doctor, but I found much of his time AS the Doctor to be incredibly tedious to sit through. The biggest issue, in my mind, was Clara. I fucking hated Clara. When she jumped into the timestream, they should've had her die, instead they had her hang around FAR too long. She had no story, no arc, so it was just her being stuck into every story. Just using Moffat's writing, look at Amy. She joins the Doctor running away from her "boring" and normal relationship with Rory. She spends time with the Doctor because he represents adventure. Then, at the end, she gives up being with the Doctor to spend the rest of her life with Rory.
Clara's? She's a mystery, then the mystery gets solved, and then there's just multiple seasons of her...being a teacher? Getting a boyfriend? Who CARES! Every episode that revolved around that school was just god awful. By the time Bill came around I was honestly just tired of Moffat's writing, and Smile was probably the straw that broke the camel's back.
@@HappyLarry. You can dislike Clara for plenty of reasons but not having an arc isn't one of them. Her relation to the doctor is probably one of the most dynamic things Moffat has written as showrunner
"Because you're a cyberman."
The funkiest tune ever begins to play
I can only imagine her pain. I would also feel absolutely lost. Distraught. And it come out so well it's so well acted and so well cut between how she is and how she sees herself. I hate watching this episode because it makes me sad, but I marvel at it anyway, because it's so well made and written.
Bill nearly goes through all five stages of grief here. And goes through all five stages until the stories end.
I really liked how messed up this was, and i feel like it was a bit of a cop-out when Bill became that water alien thing. I kinda like it when Doctor Who companions have sad endings, because it feels like a natural result of the Doctor putting these people in dangerous situations. It also would have been interesting to see Bill make the most of life as a Cyberman.
Considering she still had emotions while being a Cyberman, it wouldn’t be that bad. She is pretty much a super human and can choose whenever she wants to die. She just looked a bit scary.
@@JBexplores @JB Explores Ok you know I see were your coming from, and that reason is exactly why I hated the decision to let Danny Pink keep his face post conversion- it makes it ACTUALLY seem like an upgrade! However in Bill's case, the procedure is far more crude and in all lilklyhood any identifying features are GONE. I imagine that the fact that all your friends and family will never recognize you, and that half the universe will view you as one the worst creatures around would make it pretty bad. Also note that 3:50 the Doctor starts to say "It wont last long," seemingly indicating Bill will eventually see herself as she appears in the mirror.
@@kehi1809 Considering the fact that the previous episode showed Bill's human eye shedding a tear beneath the cyberman face cloth, I think there's more of her left than you might think.
@@SuperNoah9999 Yes but as the Doctor said, hes never seen a Cyberman cry. Im pretty certain that the tear was meant to forshadow the water-alien twist, which again I felt was a bit of a copout.
@@kehi1809 I think he was referring to cyberman not having emotions due to the emotional inhibitor, which Bill managed to resist.
This finale had so much to do and it did it all fantastically imo. And they still somehow have time for great character moments like this.
So the beam is powered by the energy of the emotions the inhibitor blocks? That's pretty unique. It also puts the terrifying thought of if all Cyberman weaponry is like that, and how destructive they are.
Because your a cyber man....
*not just 2 milliseconds later*
🎉🥳🎈🎊🎁🍾
I will say one thing about Moffat, he did find a way to save the Doctor’s companions from what should be certain death only to have a catch attached. River lives, but as a computer program in The Library. Rory and Amy end up together, but are trapped in the past. Clara can go on despite us seeing her killed by the raven, but she’ll be stuck her last two heartbeats. Bill can keep going after being turned into a cyber man, but she’s now a watery thing (at least she gets to travel with Heather)
We definitely have different perspectives on this. As opposed to your view of the ends of the companions' stories coming with a catch, I see it as The Doctor doing as Clara has always told him: he was being a Doctor and making his companions' lives/deaths better.
River sacrifices herself to save 10 but thanks to the Sonic that was gifted to her by 12, she gets to live forever, saved in the Library, amongst friends that became dear to her in her final corporeal years. Saved by the Doctor who knew her completely, and knew himself so well and he'd be clever enough as 10 to figure it out.
Amy and Rory got the normal life they wanted and got to spend the rest of their years together, always cherishing the time they spent with The Doctor and how they became inseparable to each other. It took traveling with the Doctor, a hiatus, and a reunion with the Doctor for them both to realize they were far better together.
For Clara, she died trying to become like the Doctor, but because the Doctor pulled her from her fate, she now lives as long as she wants to between those final heartbeats. The Doctor gave her the choice to live and live with meaning. He so badly wanted Clara to live that he sacrificed his knowledge of her so that she could be free.
Bill was saved from a most horrible existence and now basically has the same deal as Clara.
For everyone, tragic as their deaths/separation from the Doctor was, life wasn't ending, but it was changed.
Who the hell thought that outro was the best for this moment??!
CyberBill is in the same situation as Oswin Oswald.
Both situations are pretty nightmare inducing, thought I think Bill has it ever so slightly more bearable
Clara didn't have to go through knowing the doctor for a long time plus Clara messed up the daleks memory of the doctor and blew up the whole dalek plannet, bill on the other hand knew the doctor for a long time, turned into a cyberman and then had to fight with cyber programming and it was clearly getting to her via scenes where it shows her being party cyberman and bill had to live seeing the doctor lieing on the floor and presumably dead whilst being a cyberman.
This episode hit my in the stomach hard. No one being able to see her and only seeing a dangerous cyberman and not being able to do anything about it...
"because of that. because you're a cyberman."
the music: 💃✨🎶
Moffat's writing was hit or miss at best, but boy was he on fire when he put this story together. It's always so haunting and heartbreaking.
His writing was amazing at best (Heaven’s Sent, Blink, Silence in the Library) and hit or miss at worst.
This two episode arc was so frightening and disturbing.
"Because you're a Cyberman"
*Funk intensifies*
Now I really want to see this Cybermen story, it’s so unique and shows off the Modas Cybermen… I’ve only know the Cybus and Nightmare Sliver Cybermen, and I have a soft spot for the Cyber Warriors and Cyber Masters… in terms of designs.
God this hurts. Notice how he moves to be closer to the door before he answers the question.
Bill: "I'm fine!"
Narrator: She was, indeed, not fine.
"Because you're a cyberman."
**funky music plays**
the one time doctor who made the cybermen genuinely horrifying
Wow, that was distressing to say the least. I would rather be dead. Guess I need to catch up on my Doctor Who episodes.
I missed the little connection with the monks being the reason Bill could beat one the programming for so long. Neat way to include that
bill turning into a cyberman detroyed me and the doctor more so god this arc was gorgeous
If I had a nickel for every time Steven Moffat turned a companion into a doctor who monster I'd have three nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened thrice.
In my opinion, I think that Bill had the worst fait of the modern who companions. Watching this scene makes me so sad to see the switching between Cyberman Bill and Old Bill. I know she got to go off and be happy in the end, but seeing this scene is truly heartbreaking.
Indeed. Whereas the majority of New-Who companions either get separated from the Doctor by force (Rose, Donna, Amy & Rory) or end up leaving him/her on their own terms (Martha, Clara, The "Fam"), Bill has indeed suffered the most out of them all, only in the span of two episodes.
This was such a powerfull scene!
I love how she helps fight alongside then
Rose was abandoned.
Martha was second-favorite.
Donna was forced to forget.
Amy was trapped in the past.
Clara was forgotten.
Bill became a fucking cyber man.
*Never become friends with the Doctor.*
Was any of those his fault? They all where going to die without him
There was also the fact that Martha's entire family was enslaved by an alien psychopath for an whole year but yeah the Doctor picking favourites was pretty bad too I guess.
@@elliesteele2027 forgot abt that mb 😂😂😂
If I had a nickel for every time a companion had been converted into a monster, but was in denial of what they'd become, I'd have two nickels, which is not much, but actually strange that it's happened twice.
Reminds me of Dalek Clara
Carla
CarLa
@@toogaytolift9176 carla
@@dairebeare7839 ah, carla
Carla
I wish there was an alternate cut of the episode with just Cyber-Bill. Not saying it would be better; It would be a different kind of heart breaking to see this sadness, rage, and confusion when the one feeling it can’t express emotion.
JELLY BABY!
I shrieked!
I love it when they show you the horror of what the cybermen are, that they were humans, were normal, and how each part of them was stripped away
The episode that finally uses the Dr Who and the Scratchman scarecrows.
This is..Horror, its incredible. Not gore, blood everywhere and fluids.
God i loved this episode
0:58 Tom Baker moment
youtube just wants me to cry today, it does
Thank you so much. I love that scene.
Did you enjoy this contemplative, emotionally gripping scene? Well what better way to top it off than with some loud-ass funk music?
She has every right to be angry
Not so fun fact: bill isn't the only companion that became a Cyberman the Brigadier died and was resurrected as one.
0:51-0:59 Such a valuable life lesson. You should never have to apologise for being kind.
Jelly Baby.
Guess I missed this episode.
So not sure if I just forgot but don't Cybermen have an emotional inhibiter in them. So even if her mind has created a veil around her showing her as she is, wouldn't the electronic part of her still suppress her emotions?
Mondasian Cybermen don't remove / suppress emotions and pain, they're just programmed to ignore it.
And yes, the programming of the Cybermen was winning in her mind, she likely only lasted as long as she did because she spent so long isolated from the rest of the Cybermen, and she wasn't fully patched into the neural net anyway. She was only able to locate Bill in the neural net because obviously she is Bill.
@@tTaseric That's a good point, actually. Thanks for clearing it up.
The emotional inhibitor also comes with an emotional inhibitor inhibitor that is only active whenever it is necessitated by the plot.
See, CyberDanny, CyberLethbridge-Stewart, CyberCraig, CyberYvonne, CyberHartigan And last but not least, CyberBill.
@@abbyalphonse499 it’s almost like characters who have been shown to have strong wills or greatly care about certain things like country or another person can win
@@JustCallMeEm. And apparently those 6 characters are the only to do so out of the trillions of people who were converted
The Modas Cybermen are the creepiest and I love it.
"I'm not a cyberman, I'm not a cyberman, (cyberman voice) I-am- human"
"Not anymore"
Who gets this reference?
@@The-Lone-Dalek Uhm no
Asylum of the Daleks 😂. Oswin (Clara's timesplinter) believing she was still human
“Why do they hate you-“ “SO. MUCH? THEY. HATE. YOU. SO. MUCH. …WHY?”
Emotional scene barn door gets blown of upbeat music 🍳🍳😂😂
Brings new meaning to explosive temper
Well that's alright then!
This was definitely peak modern era dr who
Way Better Doctor Who Than What We Have Now
🎵 IIIII'm looking at the cyberman in the mirror! 🎵
Loved seeing the two of them together.
Because youre a Cyberman.
UPBEAT FUNK MUSIC PLAYS
That’s why they have inhebeter chips in there brains for exactly bill’s situation
Why did I feel like doctor who turned into a 70’s cop show after the last line?
Twelve is like: "dealt with this before. a little more grace this time, then?"
"Because that's why, because you're a Cybermen."
*Cut to THEVALEYARD video exit disco tune*
Cyberwoman thank you
If I had the choice of being turned into a Borg, Cyberman or Dalek, I'd choose to be turned into a Borg.
Which makes sense, as a Borg is easier to turn back.
A Cyberman is tricky to be restored from, as it depends on how much was removed.
A Dalek is almost impossible to reverse, as they only use your head.
Same thing really
Sure Daleks and weeping angels and Sontarans and Silence are scary but all they do is kill you… Cybermen strip away who you are leaving you a literal shell of who you once were
Weeping Angels send you to some other time, no? Not kill. Hence Rory and Amy got to grow old together.
@@TheSilvershadow200
If someone pushes me off a bridge and I die sure the fall kills me but the person who pushed me is the one who caused it.
@@malphasblackwing420 That's not the same. That's proper death in your own time. The other is a, in a twisted sort of way, a second shot at life under different circumstances but you are still you.
Calling Rose,Jackie,Pete Tyler, Mickey Smith and Jack Simmonds for this mission rn
This reminds me of that game remake from a few years ago, Colossus? You pick a friend and the other's brain was put into a robot.
He just couldn't really understand what she was going through, what with being a male-presenting time-lord and all.
Gender has nothing to do with being abandoned for 10 years and turned into a cyborg lol
extremely realistic writing for a small child
Still leagues better then anything chibnail could come up with
By far worse the worse companion fate ever in Doctor Who what’s worse she didn’t know she was a cyberman bruh I couldn’t deal like my mind broke for her because Jesus I’d freaking lost it
Now this is Doctor Who. It covers difficult subject. The recurring idea that when someone undergoes something as traumatic as this their mind rejects it and builds an illusion of them from their memories. Where did it go wrong after this? :(
Interesting how Bill is shown alternately as the cyberman and her old self. When she shoots that laser you can see tracings of the Cyberman head over her own. This scene is masterfully (heh) done
I really liked Bill and the 12th dr
Bill must have been the companion with all the bad luck.
Yeah, she was constantly reminding us she was a lesbian, but the Doctor’s companions were usually left in good shape.
They didn’t usually die or be assimilated.
She waited...
Bill was forced into a hellish prison after being abandoned for a whole decade and she’s not even allowed to be angry about it!? That’s bullsh1t!!!!
I was so angry at how they did Bill 😭 the foster kid representation was elite with her😢❤
This is such a horrifying and heartbreaking scene and would've been a top-tier way for Bill to depart the show, but instead Moffat had to ruin it by turning her into some weird space water instead.
Without a doubt, one of the most grim endings to ever befall a companion.
Not so fun fact: bill isn't the only companion that became a Cyberman the Brigadier died and was resurrected as one.
This is your fault, Doctor. You abandoned her. You left her for dead. You left her in that place for 10 years. You allowed them to turn her into that thing. You allowed them to strip her of her body and trap her in an inescapable hell. This all your fault, you monster.
This was the only point that I felt anything positive for Bill for how soul-shattering this was for her. I mean, who wouldn’t feel pain for her despite the flaws of her character?
Want a jellybaby
how tho is my question
Can someone make a cover with just the cyber voice
Great speech to tell she is in denial
That's the best thing that could happen to Bill. I always laugh when she says "I'm Bill Potts" in that cyber voice.
Surprise !!
Jelly baby?
What if doctor turn into a cyberman instead of bill ?
Mmm. 10 fps videos
I hate this. I hate this so much.
Probably pissed her off because you basically called HER a MAN lmao. I'd be pissed too 😂