No more lost fish! Finally a flopper tuning tool!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ค. 2021
- I would like to share a tool I have been using for several years that tunes your flopper and gives you flexibility of how you want your flopper to be tuned. Today it is possible to 3D Print it in metal at a very reasonable price (around $40). I think it will probably also work well if 3D printed in plastic with fiber reinforcement for about 1/4 of the cost of metal ... but I haven't tried that so I don't know if it works as well.
Nobody likes injuring fish and letting them go off to die. This dramatically reduces the number of fish you lose to fish slip outs and I highly recommend it! Every spearo should have this in their toolbox!
3D Printing Link
www.sculpteo.com/en/print/maj...
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Great video! I would really love to see you on a podcast, you have a wealth of information that every spearo could benefit from.
I asked the host at noopspearo podcast, and he said that they are keen, however they couldn't get on to him (was a period where majd was uploading anything).
I think I have shared everything I know in my videos :)
@@majdq8 Fair enough that is true, however a lot of spearos have never heard of you.
Your videos completely changed my spearfishing for the better. Great work. I have a 105mm gun fitted with 2 14mm bands at 360%. It’s sublime. I wish one day you would test the meandros argo like of guns, I would love to know what you think of them.
Madjq8,
This is a brilliant idea, a simple but yet effective tool. Thank you very much for this video. I will definitely get mine !
Nice tool, nice video too!!!
For over 30 years I use a small vice just to tight the floppers end closer to the shaft near the pin that keeps the flopper to the shaft.
If it gets too tight, I use a screwdriver (or whatever cylindrical shaft I have that is slightly wider than the spearshaft) on the back side of the flopper and I open the too closed ends of the flopper by using the small vice.
In that way, big forces can be applied accurately and also adjustments can be easy done.
By hammering we can easily achieve 10x the weight we punch so just making a portable tool like yours but metallic with threads and a screw applying the required force in order to deform the flopper would be ideal to have with us any time!!!
Love, respect and safe diving!!! :-)
NIce idea! I did make a few different proto types but things can get really complicated really quickly. I felt this was best as it is extremely simple and needs very simple tools that anyone on a spearfishing boat can use. I usually end up tuning everyone's flopper on the boat before we start spearfishing and it takes me less than a minute to do 4 floppers.
@@majdq8 the simplest idea is always the best!!!
Very very long time ago I used just a pair of pliers but afterwards since I was also reshaping the tip of the spearshaft, the vice was on the bench and it was more accurate and faster.
No matter what way anyone use, it is very important the flop to lock into position after penetrating the fish.
30+ years ago when I was 15 I had lost a couple big ones since the vibrations on the shaft sometimes made the loose flopper close even if the line was under tension.
It was then that I decided to have the flopper under the shaft and keep it closed with a piece of rolled tape around it. After the shot the rolled tape was on the line and the gravity was opening the flopper and that was it, no more excuses blaming the flopper!!! LoL
This video helped a lot, an interesting future test video that would be interesting to know is if “booster bands” are the way to increase inverted roller gun performance or is simply adding other another band to the bottom band battery the way to get a higher shaft velocity
Wow very creative sir! I will make this one too. Thanks for sharing...
Another great video. Thanks.
This is good for open water and predators fish....but in caves and cracks you will need more movement for the flopper .... imagine if it stucked in hole and stayed open.... difficult to take it out..... good tip for open water fish
Nice!
love the video
Nice Job! ;)
I like rob Allen flopper. They have specially big locking ears. Thanks for sharing very needed tool. I knock a little with hammer and try, if it is not enough then repeat. ) If locked too much put inside flopper flat screw close a little and etc.
With a hammer it is very easy to make a wrong hit and lock your flopper without having the initial part loose ... and sometimes you can even damage the flopper pin and bend it. This causes the shaft to vector off line with poor accuracy and sometimes if it locks the flopper too closed, fish will easily escape. I find this tool helps to get a precise hammer blow and thus give much higher margin or error and much more flexibility to tune your flopper exactly as you want and be able to repeat it over and over again consistently.
Thank you
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To all those getting an email from Sculpteo saying that there is a possibility of issues with the 3D print in Bronze/Steel being too thin ... don't worry about the issues and can accept the 3D print. These issues are related to text I added on the 3D print to prevent easy copying and will not affect the tool in any way.
Please do a video on a 120 rob allen carbon roller, there seems to be a lack of information online on them but there is coatsman unrolling the roller video that explains setup. I feel you could find a way to avoid heavy muzzle without losing accuracy. I have one myself and it is super crazy accurate but the muzzle is so heavy with a 7.5m shaft that hunting is sometimes hindered. I took the weight out of the muzzle but it loses accuracy. I think you do an amazing job on your videos and i feel you could workout the quirks of that roller gun.
hey mate I have a carbon roller with a rob allen roller head. I noticed it was muzzle-heavy too so I added some foam between the muzzle and the barrel plug and it has levelled out the gun.
Could you make a testing video with a meandros gun ? Because they say they are outstanding shooters
when will you do a test with the sigalsub nemesis?
Hey majd a quick question brother please between a pathos sniper and a Rob Allen tuna?
Hey @majdq8 I've recently purchased a 150cm sigalsub double flopper 7.5mm shaft for my 110 roller. I've never used a double flopper before so I don't really understand how to tune the floppers. Have you had any experience with the performance of this shaft? I've read some people comment that the shoulder of the flopper is a bit large so I've bought a penetration cone to hopefully counteract that. Cheers
Hi Majdq8, hopefully this reaches you soon. I am unable to post on Spearboard as a new user and I dont know who who else to ask besides mario himself thru instagram. But, I am currently working on a personal upgrade/build. Starting off with the Ermes Avatar handle, the "male insertion" piece is about 4mm too long for my barrel+plug. I am unsure of how to trim the plug itself within the barrel because it looks a little different (space for possible ballasting?). I could cut/file down the insert to my desired length but I would most likely compromise the first o-ring slot. As you would know, there are 2 o-ring slots and I only need the 2nd one since it is for a 26mm id barrel. I would just be sacrificing future builds if I were to buy a different barrel and choose to use the same handle for whatever reason. Would this have any effect on the structure of the handle in any way under pressure of band load of a conventional 120 gun? Thanks in advance
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Hey majdq8. Thank you so much for all the good content. Now that you have had some time with your 95 Salvimar Hero, do you wish you had gone with the 85 over the 95? I’m about to pick one up but am torn between the sizes. Mostly shore dives in 5-8m vis. Would appreciate your input. Thanks again.
It is a tough call ... the 95 definetly gives you more range when setup with the good setup I used in the video I even used it in the oil rigs to shoot fish I usually use a 120 or 130 gun for ... successfully! So a well setup 85 would be the equivalent in performance to a default Riffe 120 and a well setup 95 would be the performance of a Riffe 130. Personally for hunting in poor visibility I would just go for a 85 or even a 75. But again you need to fix the setup to get that performance gain.
Thanks for the reply. Yeah. I have 14mm small id prime line and Sigalsub Tahitian hrc 7mm to go along with it. I plan on removing the o ring on the release and hope that will get me close.
Hello friend, I want to consult you something I'll take a new speargun 82cm aluminum how to do the combination. Thank you from now
Hey buddy are you ok? You still weren’t here…What dou think about the 2x16mm small ıd rubber and 8mm 150cm shaft? Maybe rubbers has less power than 3x14,14,5 but is it enough for the penetration to long range.See you again buddy
I think best is not to go over 15mm small ID bands as the contraction of the bands of the thicker material is slow. I use 8mm @ 150cm a lot with 2 x 14.5mm bands. The 3rd band doesn't add much power and better is just to improve your loading technique and go for higher band stretch on 2 x 14.5mm or 2 x 15mm bands. I use this setup for large dogtooth and large YFT with great success. Also remember that a 7.5mm shaft is an excellent option as well. In some cases a 7.5mm shaft will perform better than an 8mm shaft if using 2 bands.
Try rob allen guns!
What band you can offer for a pathos 65 sniper speargun with 6.7mm shaft?
I try and source the smallest diameter ID band I can find for shafts at 6.75mm or 6.5mm. I presently use 13.6mm small ID bands for 75cm gun using 6.5mm shaft at super high stretch.
salam can you please do some rob allen speargun testing
roller and double bands
Hi majdq, I've seen you having good results with 7mm shafts and 14mm primeline bands (on the smaller diameters since they have some variation)
What bands have you found comparable from EU brands?
Asking for a 26/28 110cm carbon gun I'd like to prepare for summer.
Thanks for the content 🤙
I think there are only a few manufacturers of rubber bands in the world and most of the EU bands are done by the same rubber manufacturers to their specifications. The EU gun makers are a little behind the curve when it comes to providing the correct specs of bands, but they are catching on. Basically you want to match your bands to the shaft you are using. The latest Sigalsub and C4 bands and Cressi bands seem very good ... but nothing beats a new fresh batch of Primeline bands!
@@majdq8 The cressi pure linup has very good reputation out here, they take much higher coefficients than other brands for sure ! I have to give a try to their 14mm bands.
thanks :)
@@CoteVermeille0423 The new Cressi small ID bands are made by Primeline but Cressi has added a harder inner core in the middle. Some like that some don't and I am one that prefers without the harder shore inner core as I feel it makes the band more elastic. But they certainly are a huge improvement over older Cressi bands.
@@majdq8 I'd like to ask you another question man since you've tried more stuff than 99% of spearos will ever, would you take a meandros or ermes kit for tuning my d'angelo1 handle ?
Thanks again
@@CoteVermeille0423 I tried both ... the Meandros had a problem where the shaft was snagging on the line release and throwing off shot. Also the Meandros is a friction trigger which I don't like. The Ermes was perfect ... BUT ... I had the one with 10mm shaft sears. I heard there were some with 8mm sears which were not good. So if with 10mm shaft sear then definitely the Ermessub.
Hello majdq8,
I can’t find plastidip to coat my pathos ss trigger. Can I use epoxy?
Thanks for your immense contribution to the sport!
I don't understand "pathos ss trigger". Maybe you mean wishbone? If wishbone, best is pastidip ... if you can't find plastidip try just normal aquarium silicone (to glue glass together) and insert it before it dries. The main idea is to prevent water migration inside band cavity. As you dive the different pressures like a pump and can siphon water inside band cavity.
@@majdq8 sorry for my lack of clarity
I’m referring to this video of yours:
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It’s about the d’angelo II handle
You used plastidip to coat the stainless steel trigger in order to avoid the shaft sear from getting scratched.
I just acquired a brand new D’angelo II stainless steel handle but I can’t find plastidip. Can i use epoxy instead?
@@AVIRA972 Ah ... sorry I think you must have misunderstood something there. You cannot use epoxy or plasti dip for the SS trigger unfortunately. SS trigger will always scratch or gall as that is a phenomenon with all SS under stress. The two metals will "cold weld" with enough friction. Best is to have the trigger sear made of plastic (has its own problems) or use a roller.
@@majdq8 thanks for your qui response!
If you go back to your video (linked above), at 23 sec you say that you have put 3 layers of plastidip on. And on the photo, it’s seems to show it
I know you’re busy but would you mind being more explicit if I still don’t understand?
Thanks 😁
@@AVIRA972 Ok, now I see it. Yes that was during the period I thought that main scratching was from the shaft sear striking the trigger sear during recoil and thus causing scratching. This helped a little but the real reason for scratching was the actual friction between the two sears on top. This is why I went on a crusade to try and find a solution to this accuracy robbing problem ... and this ended up as the main driver to develop the Ermessub double roller trigger.
What gun are you using here? What gun set up do you use and why?
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Hello majdq8, great video, what are your thoughts on this? I Just bought a salvimar hero 125 and I noticed that the barrel is not perfectly straight (this is unloaded). I ran a string line through the rail and in the middle it was 1mm out from the centre. Will this effect my accuracy much? I am thinking of complaining about it. Look forward to hearing back from you.
Oh thats not good. Maybe it got damaged in shipping? Barrel needs to be absolutely perfectly straight otherwise I would think it would throw everything off. There is a fiber reinforced I beam inside the Salvimar Hero barrel to stiffen things up so a the barrel would have had to suffer a lot of force to get bent!
@@majdq8 Yeah, I sent an email with some photos and talked to the shop on the phone, I will get it fixed or replaced. I asked them if this has been a problem before and they said it has happened a few times.
@@majdq8 I ended up sorting this problem out and they gave me a complete new gun, and I got to keep the old gun's reel and spear. So happy days.