Big 10, SEC to Poach Teams from Expansion Big 12: Analyst Predicts West Virginia, Texas Tech GONE.
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Texas Tech has a very large alumni base in DFW
As a Penn State fan West Virginia is the only Big12 team worth taking if the BiG10 comes calling.
Interesting. You don't want to have a school or two in the lucrative Texas TV market? Fox does. Remember, we are not talking about athletics or academics in this conference realignment craziness, we are talking about who can sell beer & soap ads well enough for Fox/CBS/NBC & ESPN spending so much money on the B1G & SEC. I can all but guarantee at least 2 TX teams will be in the final Big 10 set up & owned by Fox/CBS/NBC.
As a WVU grad I'd prefer the SEC. But if the B1G comes knocking first I wouldn't turn it down
They can't compete in the big 12 much less the big 10
@@stevekelly9509 show me on the doll where WVU hurt you
@garagebeers1 Pitt fan probably
WVU has a very passionate and loyal fan base, I hope that all teams stay in the Big 12 and build it into a conference that competes with the Big boys
Yes but you guys over at WVU are to good to be playing in that conference you should come over to the SEC where you will be given the respect your school and brand deserves west virginia should have 2 to 3 national titles by now look at that sugar bowl from 2007 not to many schools can do that to the strongest program in the nation as you all did respect is earned not given
Big 12 will never compete with the big boys
@@stevekelly9509 probably not but WVU has a winning record against your conference historically just so you know
@@stevekelly9509 WVU vs Auburn. WVU vs Georgia WVU vs Georgia Tech. WVU vs Mississippi. WVU vs Mississippi state even WVU vs LSU was always close and that was honey badger lsu bye the way
Same as WVU vs Alabama could have went either way but hey we respect Saban since he is from west virginia bye the way as all the best coaches in cfb history are
Tech had all bad BS in their football for a decade. While ESPN tries to lock everyone in their 2023 position, the Big 12 allows schools to grow sports. I hope for the best for our members including the newest ones. My family is all Tech or SMU. Techs underdog status is one reason i picked it for undegrad. I hope the Big 12 can the league of inderdogs snd overachievers. I dont want in the SEC or Big 10.
Hogwash utah is never going to be invited to the Big 10, their market 1.1 million households is too small. It was the smallest in the PAC, and they split that small number with BYU. BYU is fortunate to have a national brand.
The only brand I see that the big 12 has left is WVU and that's it realistically and it's not hogwash because the SEC has been after WVU for years even before UT And OU my conference has money its not about the market its about the brand and the history and honestly WVU is all you guys have left nobody wants to see a repeat of TCU getting the doors blown off of them or OSU in the big 12 championship game for the 1000th time that is hogwash and the sad part is you guys don't even push your best brands I'd argue WVU was a bigger brand then even Oklahoma
@@jacksonstonebreaker SEC is NOT after WVU at all.
But the ACC will take WVU in 5 years and WVU will GO THERE with the rest of the TOP of the Big 12.
BYU is a thing of the past and hasn't done a damn thing in almost three decades despite their fanbase and brand. Utah is the here and now, and has made a significant impact on college football world since the Urban Meyer days. Whittingham has taken Utah to a whole another level. Like Boise St and TCU, Utah has earned everything on the field they have without a so-called "national brand." If BYU is trying to boost their program to the P4 level, then they better figure it out! If Utah didn't exist, BYU would still be struggling to remain revelant. Utah just so happens to be a damn good football program that BYU is trying to compete with for the top spot in the state of Utah. Unfortunately for BYU fans, they just don't have what it takes to be a P4 school and probably won't regardless of who they hire for coaches or recruits. So if Utah stands in BYUs way to remain relevant, then that's not a Utah problem, that's a BYU problem.
@@JT-uu5we sounds just like WVU and Marshall university
@@JT-uu5we and all of the Texas teams Ohio State Cincinnati excetra
Love the debate. Good stuff !
The biggest problem I see with this “super league” is that when there are only so many seats at the table it will end up killing the sport all together. By doing this you now have the upper Midwest and south east that is interested in the sport, but no one else. College football isn’t the NFL it depends on local or alumni ties to care about it. So by splitting into these more exclusive leagues the SEC and BIG10 that money I predict will dry up.
Do a super league, then I won't ever feel the need to watch football on Saturdays. Coming from an ISU fan who watches football all day on Saturdays. Whether it be Big 12, Big 10, SEC. Maybe I will get some stuff done on Saturdays and save some money on sports betting.
Love the Big 12 but as a West Virginia fan I’d rather see us move to the Big 10 if possible because of the regional competition. In reality though most of our fan is in the south so the SEC makes more sense. West Virginia has a lot to offer to any conference. Fourth most watched team in the country on all platforms.
That's another big fact 2 all these big 12ers seem to be missing if you guys were in my conference the SEC you would already have a national title but as long as your in the stuck in the mudd conference where realistically you are the biggest brand they have left and they're not even doing a good job of promoting you then I think it's time to move on my friend you guys are to loyal to the big 12 just ask yourself what has the big 12 done for west virginia university owh we went 9 and 3 last year well before you joined the little 12 you were going 11 and 1. And 10 and 2 against arguably a tougher big east that was stacked and I'd argue was better then the big 12 the only thing keeping them alive was UT OU and A and M and now your all they have left and they're not even promoting you its hilarious to me
It's hilarious to me that you think WVU would have already won a national title if they were in the SEC. They would be a mid to lower tier football program in that league.
Hopefully, like staples thinks, OKLAHOMA STATE, makes the cut for the big boy conferences. 👈🤠👉🔥🔥 GO POKES!!
If anything the SEC will go after Okst & Florida st, possibly TCU. WV could go either way to the Big10 or ACC if & when FLst pulls out. And if the Big12 loses a couple of teams Wash St. & OR st. Will go into the Big12.
WVU won’t leave big 12 for acc no way
The Staples article lost me at KSU over KU. That's just dumb. KU has one of the biggest remaining brands, and even the SEC presidents care about flagship AAU schools. He also assumed the Big 10 would double down in Pennsylvania, and the SEC would triple down in Texas and double down in Oklahoma. And Utah to the Big 10 is very unlikely.
The big 10 and sec don't care about money they are the richest conferences in all of ncaaf all that makes since to us is location and tradition witch is why yes we are actively seeking to poach WVU as soon as possible they will never succeed in that shitty conference send them where they belong with the big boys as you big 12ers say lmao
I just happened upon the live show. Guess I'll stick around.
Lol, I think the intern messed up
The SEC and Big 10 dont need money i promise you realistically location and demographic is all that matter which is why WVU looks all the more appealing right now and maybe just maybe OSU and TCU ot tech at a later time but right now from a realist stand point WVU is really the only school that makes sense for the SEC at this current point in cfb
Wvu brings nothing to the sec .they would never be able to compete
@@stevekelly9509 not at first they'd be a middle of the pack team historically they have a winning record against auburn ole miss and Mississippi state but that's when they were in the big east with d2 recruits now they have better recruits so they'd automatically be a middle of the pack team especially since defensively they're better then most sec teams right now sure it would take them a few years and they are known for beating teams like georgia in bowl games but give it four years and they will be recruiting at the level of atleast lsu lsu is a team that's alot like wvu not to mention in the north vs south game wvu plays for the south and its usually a wvu player that gets player of the game like pat white did in 2007
And you say that but the same Texas team wvu usually beats just beat your cfp Alabama so I don't know whatvreality you are in lol
Tech just announced that they have money to pay players
Lol, that's not new, they started an NIL fund as soon as NIL was approved. They're actually one of the best NIL schools in the country.
Duh. Been doin that for years.
Congress needs to step in to protect this smaller, lower tier schools. Leagues shouldn't have to worry about being cannibalized to line ESPN's pockets. And I don't know, could the DOJ take anti-trust action? I just know I'm tired of this crap, the breaking up of rivalries and all that have been taking place.
Congress needs to stay out of it .
@@stevekelly9509 Something needs to be done about it, because ESPN, the SEC, and the Big 10 are willing to destroy college sports for the rest of the nation as long as they're making more money for themselves.
@@stevekelly9509although I agree but wait until a congressman/senators Alma mater gets screwed in the next round of musical conference chairs
The superleague and big 12 as a lower league is cool on paper, but completely lacks logic. The SEC & B1G haven't invited teams left in the big 12 for a reason. They aren't going to give up a big brand on a down year> for KState, Iowa State,UCF, BYU, Houston or any of your other group of 5 additions. It also would make no sense with how they schedule a couple years out. This is the idea of fans of teams on the outside looking in.
I would think Oklahoma State is the only team that sort of fits the SEC culture. Especially Rivalry with Oklahoma, Texas and Texas A&M.
Texas Tech is a way bigger brand than TCU
I literally see 5 times as many Tech plates as TCU living in DFW
TCU is a bigger national market@@dariusrucker7854
@@jacob.2525-BMore Tech fans fill up TCUs stadium, fields, and courts.
@@jacob.2525-Bno they aren’t lol. They actually have to make moves that prevent Tech fans from taking over their stadium/gym.
@@Orfix33 in texas, ttu is the bigger market cuz they have a lot of alums, but i think as a national brand that tcu is more known especially bc the past couple years. i could be wrong tho
My two cents: Texas Tech should go to the Big Ten, not SEC. The B10 would stamp their flag in the Lone Star state. Besides, UT and A&M already market the SEC there. It would be a perfect sense for that to happen.
It will be a cold day in you know where before the sec offers tech a place .they bring nothing to the conf
The only team the SEC is actively pursuing right now is WVU and they have been for 10 plus years there's a big article in our news paper down here in Alabama about how the SEC has actively been pursuing WVU ever since the 2007 sugar bowl and that it was one of Nick Sabans last wishes to get his home states team into the super conference so its true the SEC is actively pressuring WVU into joining the SEC the sec is even willing to buy out they're contract with the big 12 since it's not about the money it's about the location demographic and recruiting in the north east
@@jacksonstonebreaker wvu brings nothing to the sec
You guys aren't differentiating the future of Cable TV Industry and College Athletics Associations. You assume they have complete mutual interests and they do not. The conference associations were created to make regional associations for competition against historical centers for college athletics such as Notre Dame and the primary state schools. The college athletics associations are against the interests of limiting industry participation. Same as the interests of TH-cam are opposite the interests of Disney and Fox. WVU and Tech are described as attractive targets because they have the more intrinsic monetary value in Athletics as a member of the Big 12 Association than selected current members of the SEC or Big 10 such as Vanderbilt or Northwestern. Absent a competing new association, The Big 12 would consequently acquire an additional target school with the most intrinsic value. The conference association is naturally nonbeneficial to the school with the highest income from athletics and beneficial to the low athletic income schools. There is no long term benefit from only one conference. That's why Notre Dame, one of the historically highest grossing schools for college athletics has never joined a conference.
Big facts plus WVU and TTU have alot of Deutch heritage witch pulls that demographic of people as well that equals even more views you hit the nail on the head with that one brother
KU is logical given its closeness to Kansas City and it is an AAU member.
By now it should be obvious that AAU membership means nothing in conference realignment. It all about selling beer & soap ads.
I stopped watching the NFL about 10 years ago and havent watched a single down not even the super bowl. I stopped watching NASCAR because they priced out the fans that made them. If all this happens to CFB i will stop watching them. I quess ill have to give Spring football a try...
I think he was predicting if it were to happen, I’m not so sure it’s going to happen, but the future lies with growth, market size, etc. and if that’s the case, you see us the biggest school in the country with one of the fastest growing markets and being in Central, florida is going to be considered and I’m betting that they’ll probably be a handful of school second booted out of the conference once he gets that kind of level and that point things will change
4:04 there’s no way this new super duo goes football only. The players are all multi sport colleges with profitable teams spanning basketball baseball volleyball softball and more. People love to see Nebraska vs Texas Penn State Stanford Kentucky volleyball but not TT vs Baylor. Your brands are dead or facing a FCS future.
relegation is the way to go(include both FBS & FCS, maybe div 2 & 3), but with that there are no more easy games at the top. football & basketball need to be separated from the other sports for conferences(maybe each have their own). media contracts should be negotiated by a single college football commission, they should include a flat rate for the level of play the team is at plus bonusses for viewership, and post-season play. the commission would also negotiate player benefits/rights with a player union. but a relegation model would really incentivize better play all around.
The B10 only wants AAU schools historically.
Nebraska wasn't in the AAU
@@averagecitizen8491 Nebraska was in the AAU when they joined the B10. They stated that if they weren’t an AAU school, they wouldn’t have been invited to join.
Nebraska was when they joined@@averagecitizen8491
I find it mighty strange that you guys would eat your own conference feed off your own conference. Also, I noticed whenever expectations is not met then you guys start to feed off of each other or should I say off yourselves which is kind of weird in this new big 12 you’re not gonna see the old members winning things those days are over here and there you might see this or not but it’s gonna be teams from the Pac 12 the old Pac 12 and which also called a group of five team is going to dominate the big 12.I know y’all may not like it but it’s it’s a reality
That's true. But real Big 12 loyalists will always hold a higher place in their heart for the University of Texas, which caused all of the Big 12 Conference's problems. They aren't holding any ill will with those PAC 12 schools that changed conferences. I'm sure PAC 12 loyalists have the same feelings about actions by USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington and the Commissioner who didn't secure a deal , which weakened the association they abandoned without considerate notice to their partners.
I haven't seen them play many B12 schools yet, plus They officially haven't played a B12 conference game.
I think at this point, it is obvious that this is where we are heading. Since Fox said they did the deal with the Big 12 because they wanted to maintain a presence in Texas, I think Fox adds Tech & Houston to their B1G conference. This gives them a chunk of the DFW and Houston markets. Tech has one of the largest alumni and new student base in DFW and certainly the most passionate & loyal in all sports. Tech draws more fans to the Tech/TCU game in FW than TCU does, to the point to where you have to buy a 3 game plan if you want to buy a ticket to the Tech/TCU game. While UT & TAMU own the Houston market, the Coogs can get a lot of attention when they are winning.
A lot of DFW , Houston area is ruled by out of city alumni, like from Texas, A&M, and even Tech... that is why TCU would get left behind.... and a school like Tech would get in...
What’s next South Dakota State join the Big Ten? North Dakota State?
The Big 12 will be the third best conference in football. They'd be dumb to leave.
Clemson and North Carolina to the SEC and Florida State and Virginia to the B10 will be the next 4 to drop.
North Carolina and Virginia will just make the conference weaker. Their football brands are not that good would give a conference a TV market but remember they have to give them some of the money also. Really Clemson and FSU is the only teams that will probably pull their weight financially. Does Virginia or the tar heels ever win a game in the Big ten or sec?
All four of those could wind up in the Big Ten.
@@davidframe1613 um, the BIG isnt a deep FB conference..they do have teams like Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Minnesota, Purdue ect....none of these are any better than UVA or UNC
WVU would be a good fit for the SEC the only problem is we have a president Gordon gee that came from Ohio that's got us in a lot of debt which is resigning soon also he hired an athletic director that got hit with a haymaker of Bob Huggins issues and now he just signed Neal Brown to an extension basically another haymaker he looks like he's spaghetti legs all over the place. So I'm not for sure who we would beat in the SEC definitely probably Vanderbilt. 😁🤣😂 But I would say West Virginia is in the Big 12 for sometime still until people at the top figure it out or get replaced by more competent people. I'm personally for bringing in a new president and replacing everyone.
Sadly, what does WVa offer the SEC? Small state and the SEC does not need another good but not great football team.
@@observer466WVU is the flagship university of its state, no small consideration when the SEC is severely limited in the number of new states it can expand into that can be considered "southeastern". The state's northern panhandle where Morgantown is located lies just miles from its borders with Ohio and Pennsylvania---two large B-10 states. Also, WVU has a large passionate fan base in this region that travels well. Just look at the huge number of fans WVU sent to the Mayo Bowl this year.
I think WVU should definitely be on the SEC's short list (and I'm not even a WVU fan-----lol).
Unfortunately you don't know much about football but that's okay most people don't but West Virginia is the 15th most winningest team and West Virginia has about 2 million people not counting all the fans that moved, with good TV ratings and great rivalries with pitt backyard brawl and others. WVU also travels well we packed Charlotte stadium with 90% of mountaineer fans against the tar heels and beat them 30 to 10 this year. We have pretty much owned the ACC in about every bowl game. Even beat the SEC bulldogs in a bowl game. We lost two national championship games one to Notre Dame unfortunately. I could go on and on.
@davidframe1613 What did the 15th most wins in football get them? Conference championships?..national championships?
Gee is retiring in 2025
Let's set up a relegation in college football
This is the way
No.
@@__hjg__2123 you don't want all the teams to be strong in a conference?
too much player turnover year to year@@kevinm9246
Tech women might toast a lot of teams. Dont think the men will
They'll get destroyed in SEC but be in the middle of the pack in the B1G.
Maybe, maybe not, but we will sell a lot of DFW TV advertising, which is what the networks want. CFB is not what it used to be, it is owned by the networks, get used to it, like it or not. Also, we will probably see unequal revenue sharing in the B1G and SEC in the very near future.
The men will do just fine. They stomped the last two sec teams they played in football. Sec is always top
heavy and overrated the rest of the way. Tech basketball/baseball easily compete too. Oh and I’m pretty sure we’re number 1 in track at the moment and are usually a power there.
Big ten schools are already set. So the lower tier schools in that conference are lucky to already be in that conference so they get all that tv money. Sorry. Big 12 just doesn’t have crap that anybody wants.
Other than Ohio State and Michigan. Who really wants Big 10 football.
Maybe ok st
@@jameslittles5228well said
Who wants Purdue football who wants Indiana football who wants Minnesota football who wants Iowa football who wants Michigan State football who wants Nebraska football who wants UCLA football. Don't act like it's not a bunch of crap over there. Lol. Hold on I forgot Illinois Northwestern and Wisconsin. Im just realizing that the Big 10 is a 2 team league sometimes three with Penn State. OMG. Lol
I only care about the league my team plays in.
I would be ok for asu to join the big ten lol
TCU doesn't get any views on TV.
Sir I’m going to need you to do some research before you make a blanket statement. TCU viewership is higher than most big 12 schools not named Texas & OU. If TCU leaves the Big 12. The conference is done with. Everybody in this conference should be rooting for TCU to be good every year for relevance. The big 12 got its TV deal largely because of the TCU squad that played in the Natty.
And the fact hthey want an easy win.
Just admit it. UTAH , Kansas, Arizona, and TCU are on a different level. Sorry not sorry BYU Y'all haven't been relevant in the last 30+ years. Deal with it
With Texas and Oklahoma gone the big 12 has no teams worth the big ten or sec’s time. They’re all division 2 schools.
Except WVU
The Horns and Aggies would block TT. The worst fan base in the country. At least 1A/1B with Ohio St. Pure trash.
Stfu entitled whorn. Most of your fans didn’t even go to college
Not so fast. A&M trided to block the Horns last time around. That so called gentleman's agreement to where an member in the schools same state doesn't fly anymore. Example USC/Clemson UF/FSU Miami etc
Oh bless your heart. 😂
Always an idiot commenting on here, grow up little boy.
We all know what Longhorns are full of. They drop it everywhere and it always stinks. Especially when they spew it out of their mouths.
Trxas Tech would be a very bad choice for either conference
Tech soundly beat Miss St, Ole Miss, and Cal the last three years in bowl games and it is a big school with a large alumni base who support their teams even when they were underachieving for several years in FB. They also have been good in other sports.
@@georgevan2589 maybe in the MWC
Tech would be fine for either. But I prefer them in the current Big 12 league as is.
Butthurt Texas fan?
Dallas belongs to the longhorns, not TCU
The only people checking for the Longhorns is their fanbase. It’s just as many Longhorn detractors as fans in Texas these days.
F*** Texas Tech F*** West Virginia😮😮😮 Go TCU
Riff raff zam zoo Eat a Dick TCU
Riff raff zam zoo. Eatadick TCU
😂 whatever, toad.....
Guy said BYU!😂 they haven't been relevant in 30 plus years.. TCU baseball CWS, TCU football won a CFP..
Tcu got blew out in the cfp wvu has been to 2 national championships in an Era when it was much harder to get there known as the bcs
"I'm a die-hard BYU fan..."
Yeah... no shit. The reality that all BYU fans can't seem to understand is that NOBODY CARES YOU HAVE A BIG FANBASE.
In 2010, all the P5 conferences added teams and nobody wanted or was interested in BYU and guess what... The Big XII wasn't interested even if Holmoe and Mendenhall begged for 6 years for an invite.
If Texas and Oklahoma never left, the team down south would still be a wannabe Notre Dame independent. That's a fact.
"I think BYU is the most powerful but I don't know if that translates into TV ratings..."
The delusion is strong with this one. Nobody cares about the team down south outside of Utah. Their TV ratings are and have been terrible, regulated to Thursday and Friday night games with an occasional ABC bone given on a Saturday afternoon. Which nobody watched either.
This is what Ute fans deal with every year... A tds fanbase whose team hasn't done squat in 30 years but think "they're the most powerful" because of some kind of irrational logic of having a big fanbase.
Win some games first, win more than 5 games first, win a Big XII Championship first, make the playoffs first before you start calling yourselves "the most powerful."
...and you thought Texas was bad, wait until the tds gets a little success in football and tell me in 5-10 years if the tds doesn't remind you of Texas and that statement was just a little taste of what's to come. Hilarious.
::pats this guy on the top of the head::
@@PunkProfess0r yeah, you losers seem to hate facts then make up some fantasy, some kind of alternative reality for a reply. Typical zoob. Hilarious.
I sorta love how obsessed Utah fans are with BYU. For a team you say you don't care about, you sure have a lot to say!
@@lzestrara1518 When did I ever say that? I'll wait...
Fat chance.