Growing up I use to forge autographs. Cause my fav athlete wouldn't sign and I'm to lazy to wait outside coliseums lol. One time I seen my bogus forgery at a comic sports card store. Doesn't take much for a sucker to fall for fakes
@@taylorj6177 you dont get it... its all a big scam.. the art world perpetuates this nonsense called "abstract art" by giving a deeper meaning to something that is basically garbage.. to sell it big time...how they convince people is a mix of hype, perception, popularity, and "expert validation"
@@paulocuento9949- This is one of the reasons I always come straight to the comment section. looking for someone who can explain more clearly, what I always thought
rich people don't care about the artist or the painting its the value they care about they use it as a tax dodge by getting loans against it whose repayments are cheaper than income taxes
The critic at the end was right, if you like a piece of art and end up owning it, it doesn't really matter who made it. But, with this art bubble people often use works as investments instead which is a double edge sword. On one hand it make sure that great works of art are kept well preserved, while making art that may be quite ugly to some more valued.
Unless the artist duplicated the type of canvas and the stretcher boards, and aged the paintings, they should have been determined as fakes by any good restorer. Due diligence is required when spending a lot of money, so I suspect the major dealers and the auction houses were complicit in the scheme. But that information has been known for a good number of years, so it is no surprise.
The forger isn't forging old masterpieces, these are modern contemporary works (I won't call it art), on modern canvas using modern paints that are all easily obtainable.
Their are very few legit art works left in the world . Many of ur ancient epics and greatworks are forgery . During the Renaissance it was very common to forge great works and epics .
This made me laugh when the art expert said Forgers can splash paint too! Well so can my kids, and if somebody wants to pay me millions for their efforts, I accept bank transfers.
Lol. If you have the opportunity to buy a real Rothko or Pollock for $100 you would. Nobody would turn that down... If it had the provenance and the authentication certificate you could sell it the next day for literally 500,000 times what you spent on it.
The art world is absurd. It's a competition to show off "success" by having rare, expensive things and to appear more cultured. Fake it 'til you make it. But, similar to having a designer structure everything in your home without knowing much about you, having a roughly painted square on a canvas could say more about you than you think.
If want to...You can choose to watch and then rewatch the last ten seconds of this film at 6:45 for a shot of this master's technique. The way he strikes and then pulls the brush up and out against the canvas makes for a glimpse at a last stroke that is striking.
Incredible how experts could be forged despite all the advance tech to prove if paintings were really made by the proper author. Pigments and type or painting are very effective. Some type of paintings have not existed at the time the work was painted. As has happened with Pollock’s and others. I refuse to believe a gallery sells a fake in order to get millions. Reputation, clients and lawsuits are highly important. A life time in the art business can be destroyed in a second. Money just brings prejudice.
Funny you say that - I painted something quite, quite similar when I was oh, fourteen?? Not as good, but, perhaps passable. Does that mean I'm equal to Rothko - or any other, for that matter? NO. And THAT is the entire point you all seem to be missing. There is much more to a history than just the fact one was a master painter, or whatevr
Are these people even serious to consider that art? Yes, it's just two different color rectangles. I'm not an artist, but I'm sure I can paint that. Also the Pollock painting just looks like he just splashed paint on a wall. I'm sure most people can do that also. I wouldn't consider either painting to be art.
He couldn't fake a Velasquez, a Carravagio, or a Singer Sergeant, so that shows anyone with a minimum of artistic ability could create fake modern art.
Rothko and Pollocks work is great. It’s the art market that everyone should be upset with. If you think Rothko and Pollocks work is simple and devoid of meaning, you should take some time out of your day to learn about them, and most important of all, stand in front of their work and then make a judgment. Art history is much more complex than a simple “Realism” vs. “Abstraction”. Enroll in an art history course at your local community college. That’ll help broaden your perspective. You may still hate Rothko and Pollock, but at least you’ll be able to say why, and expand beyond a snap judgement that social media encourages.
Some of the people who spend obscene amounts of money may be art lovers, but let's be honest, for most part it's money laundering and tax evasion schemes that fuel the prices nowadays... And the so called art experts just give the market what it wants...
The Chinese painter got $10.5 million from the $80 million painting.that he had painted .. this came out the New York Times newspaper i read the articles Pg10-11 he did get paid ten million after it was sold by the auctioneer
Lol art forgers used to need a high level of painterly skill. Nowadays modern art is such a joke that a construction worker can paint coloured squares and rich idiots pull out their chequebooks
The guy at the end is wrong - the lesson isn't that "people don't care about quality of the art, just the name." Many admitted themselves they liked them until they were known fakes... It's that there is more to ANY object that has some specific HISTORY, or "provenance," if you like - it's that we as humans value what we imagine to be a past and its story... a very human thing to do. And that is quite, quite valuable. Would you say the same about, for example, the "lost arc" or something similar? I doubt it...
Oh noes, my abstract masterpiece (that you can't tell which way up it should go) turns out to be by this guy and not by that guy, it's no longer 'real art'!
For centuries, art has fascinated people. The sensitivity of the audience resulted from being stimulated by cultural events, social changes, wars, etc. This is how new directions in art emerged. Today's world needs something else, and that's why Compmaturism. The works of the Compmaturists relate to today's human needs; they are emotional, devoid of routine and calculation. They are filled with art juice.
This just goes to show you how ridiculous it is to buy a "block" Rothco or a "dribble" Pollock is. There is nothing special about them like paintings by the hundreds of artists that came before them. Van Eyke, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Carravaggio to Van Gough, Renoir, Monet, to all of the Renaissance masters. I laugh at anyone who buys a Warhol painting of soup cans. What a joke. I don't like Picasso's or Dali's paintings but they at least have artistic value. I know people will hate this comment but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Am actually amazed ppl pay millions for abstract paintings that are so simple to paint...why are ppl so stupid to pay in millions for just random red and black boxes 🙄 ... What about those who spend hours on minute detailing....
Art is a feeling. What someone feels when they look at it. An artist is a person that can communicate through an object its not easy to explain. The art world is also used to hide money by lots of 1%. Non tangible text my a**. Thats why there upset..
The problem is that Rothkos and Pollocks are garbage "modern art" that are no better than children's paintings but a bunch of wealthy people have been fooled into thinking they have some imaginary value. The forger was simply capitalizing on a market full of buyers that are idiots whether they're buying "real" paintings or fakes.
The problem with contemporary art is there's no technicity involved in creating those so called masterpieces. As you don't have to be a high technician to paint it, anyone can forge that kind of painting. And because those painting had been made using modern pigments, there's no chance to identify a fake with scientific analysis. To be honnest, making a fake abstract painting is not that hard. Pollock, Rothko, Basquiat and other are really far far away from genius like Cravaggio, Da Vinci, or even from modern artists like Cesar Santos...
You have to be fair, Basquiat is a tad bit better than the likes of Rothko, Franz Kline & Pollock. More on the level of Twombly & Warhol whose work has a more abstract cerebral quality to them.
Also a REAL Basquiat would be rather difficult to duplicate for anyone who knows his work, he had a distinguished, unique hand regardless of his lack of formal technique, unlike the others you mentioned.
People who say a child can do better paintings make a common mistake nowadays of replacing a concept with a technique. A technique can ultimately be learn by anyone through repetition but an original ideea needs the spark of genius. Yes anyone can paint a Rothko but nobody could have done it if it Rothko didn`t do it in the first place.
"Art history" is a sham too bro. It's a narrowed perspective on the actual history of art to benefit, promote & validate a small select group of so-called artists, see Koons, Hirst (both corporate artists who barely touch "their" own work), Rothko, Pollock, Franz Kline etc. There is a stage for all sorts of art but there seems to be a lack of art that doesn't need a written explanation to appreciate.
That it's "probably" a fake??? No, it IS a fake! I'm an artist and independent curator and can tell from this video that the fake Pollock is a fake by the vibrancy and tone of the colours.
Like how can come one look a the Pollock painting and think it's a good work of part I use to make them in MS paint back in the day and I've seen my niece make one does that mean I can sell them for 58 million
For some reason chinese art has never climbed the top ladder of European and Western Art. Can this chinese forger could imitate a Michelangelo's David ?
Everything you see on the showroom floor is factitious, it’s all narrative . For those of familiar with the subject being able to forge a master work is an accomplishment. Michelangelo and many other of the great Renaissance master were great forgers .
This goes to show how art is not about talent, rather it's about perspective. A highly talented individual can turn out reproductions of art, yet why can't he use his talent and create original artwork of his own?! Because he has no perspective.
This artist does create his own work but like most unknowns, he went unrewarded for it. Chinese artists, given the sheer population size of China, would be a dime a dozen. All the perspective in the world won't make a difference if the stars don't all align. It takes luck. Can't tell me that only famous artists have perspective.
2:46 that is insane some rich a##hole would pay $58,000,000 for that. My 9 year old daughter makes better art. There’s starving people around the world and somebody would pay that much for something like that… insane…
I love how they asked him to paint, and he doesnt even have any paint on the brush
Lmao yes, and the paint on the pallette is dry as hell.
@ 😂😂😂😂
You Go Chinese construction worker master painter.
i think construction worker has more knowledge about bricks so he probably surpassed the original rathko brick like painting?
Its silly that stuff like this sells for fortunes and talented artists stuggle
Growing up I use to forge autographs. Cause my fav athlete wouldn't sign and I'm to lazy to wait outside coliseums lol. One time I seen my bogus forgery at a comic sports card store. Doesn't take much for a sucker to fall for fakes
You mean like Van Gogh
'tis life. It's what happened for Van Gogh (who personally I believe is a bit overrated..))
WHAT??? I'm dying for a famous painting of a circle! : D
@@colinsushiboy745 youre my hero bro
The real hustle is the real Rothko painting
I love the fact that idiots pay huge money for fakes , they own trash .. lmao
What does it say about the intrinsic value of art when they can be faked to begin with? Maybe we are being duped by the real paintings.
Finally someone in the comments gets it.
Nicholas St.Clair right
@@taylorj6177 you dont get it... its all a big scam.. the art world perpetuates this nonsense called "abstract art" by giving a deeper meaning to something that is basically garbage.. to sell it big time...how they convince people is a mix of hype, perception, popularity, and "expert validation"
@@paulocuento9949- This is one of the reasons I always come straight to the comment section. looking for someone who can explain more clearly, what I always thought
rich people don't care about the artist or the painting its the value they care about they use it as a tax dodge by getting loans against it whose repayments are cheaper than income taxes
How the hell are these squares selling for that much?
The critic at the end was right, if you like a piece of art and end up owning it, it doesn't really matter who made it. But, with this art bubble people often use works as investments instead which is a double edge sword. On one hand it make sure that great works of art are kept well preserved, while making art that may be quite ugly to some more valued.
Modern contemporary art is of such a low standard even construction workers can successfully fake them.
Exactly... just the fact that people are paying huge amounts for it is beyond me.
Unless the artist duplicated the type of canvas and the stretcher boards, and aged the paintings, they should have been determined as fakes by any good restorer. Due diligence is required when spending a lot of money, so I suspect the major dealers and the auction houses were complicit in the scheme. But that information has been known for a good number of years, so it is no surprise.
The forger isn't forging old masterpieces, these are modern contemporary works (I won't call it art), on modern canvas using modern paints that are all easily obtainable.
Their are very few legit art works left in the world . Many of ur ancient epics and greatworks are forgery . During the Renaissance it was very common to forge great works and epics .
Jackson Pollock - why not do your own ? Who's to know. Obviously not the 'experts'
Lol uh, hello YOU would know. The lack of any concept of integrity in these comments is a sad sight for humanity.
This made me laugh when the art expert said Forgers can splash paint too! Well so can my kids, and if somebody wants to pay me millions for their efforts, I accept bank transfers.
If you spend that much on paintings. You deserve to get scammed
Hold on a minute, I'll be right back. I'm rich! I think I have one of those on my fridge.
Modern art forger; easiest part time job for toddlers.
This is all BS, auction houses thrive on forgeries, they know exactly what they are doing.
6:16 Honest opinion with plenty of wisdom.
I would love to have a good copy from the old masters!!
3:11 that is a gorgeous painting. I don't care if it's fake. That is beautiful to look at.
I would not even buy a real one for more than 100$
Good for you?
Lol. If you have the opportunity to buy a real Rothko or Pollock for $100 you would. Nobody would turn that down... If it had the provenance and the authentication certificate you could sell it the next day for literally 500,000 times what you spent on it.
The art world is absurd. It's a competition to show off "success" by having rare, expensive things and to appear more cultured. Fake it 'til you make it. But, similar to having a designer structure everything in your home without knowing much about you, having a roughly painted square on a canvas could say more about you than you think.
FIFTY SIX MILLION for two rectangles of color? AAAahaha, ha! No wonder they're easy to copy! And drips of paint for the other "painting", LOL!
If want to...You can choose to watch and then rewatch the last ten seconds of this film at 6:45 for a shot of this master's technique. The way he strikes and then pulls the brush up and out against the canvas makes for a glimpse at a last stroke that is striking.
I don't get it how can someone pay that much for blocks? What the hell am I missing how can anyone fork over so much money for this shit fake or not?
Incredible how experts could be forged despite all the advance tech to prove if paintings were really made by the proper author. Pigments and type or painting are very effective. Some type of paintings have not existed at the time the work was painted. As has happened with Pollock’s and others.
I refuse to believe a gallery sells a fake in order to get millions. Reputation, clients and lawsuits are highly important. A life time in the art business can be destroyed in a second. Money just brings prejudice.
Jackson Pollock’s so-called art is proof that the art world is easily duped.
72% of ALL artwork is fake. Sports memorabilia is even worse!!!!
No truer words have been spoken. From 2021 its is a epic bubble of proportions
What a great man 👏
p.o.s called art, thats why easy to fake it. good job forgers
a child can imitate rothko successfully
Funny you say that - I painted something quite, quite similar when I was oh, fourteen?? Not as good, but, perhaps passable. Does that mean I'm equal to Rothko - or any other, for that matter? NO. And THAT is the entire point you all seem to be missing. There is much more to a history than just the fact one was a master painter, or whatevr
Are these people even serious to consider that art?
Yes, it's just two different color rectangles. I'm not an artist, but I'm sure I can paint that. Also the Pollock painting just looks like he just splashed paint on a wall. I'm sure most people can do that also. I wouldn't consider either painting to be art.
@@vshah1010 Lmao. Aren't you aware of what a cliche that is? "Oh, I can do that..." Yeah? Then do it. Cuz ya CAN'T.
Is your avatar a rothko?
What happened to art!! When I think of art, the Ghent alter piece comes to my mind. Not Rothko.
He couldn't fake a Velasquez, a Carravagio, or a Singer Sergeant, so that shows anyone with a minimum of artistic ability could create fake modern art.
So many lessons here
You really need imagination to paint like that.
Let’s be honest, if you truly are an art fanatic you should be able to tell the fake from the real really easily
If you're an art fanatic you're not buying these garbage children's splotches in the first place.
Very important.and very important, the ESTYLE OF COLORS,LOOKING FRESH.RECIENT. COLORS.????? Yes Baby.
That’s a SMART CHINA MAN.Good job sir👍
Dude, Asian American is the preferred term now, dude.
Rothko and Pollocks work is great. It’s the art market that everyone should be upset with. If you think Rothko and Pollocks work is simple and devoid of meaning, you should take some time out of your day to learn about them, and most important of all, stand in front of their work and then make a judgment. Art history is much more complex than a simple “Realism” vs. “Abstraction”. Enroll in an art history course at your local community college. That’ll help broaden your perspective. You may still hate Rothko and Pollock, but at least you’ll be able to say why, and expand beyond a snap judgement that social media encourages.
Whatever happened to due diligence for provenance? - those burnt through foolish pride, hubris and arrogance are deservedly 'rewarded'
Any person who has millions to spend on a painting deserves what he gets. For me forgers are heroes !
Some of the people who spend obscene amounts of money may be art lovers, but let's be honest, for most part it's money laundering and tax evasion schemes that fuel the prices nowadays... And the so called art experts just give the market what it wants...
The art word isn't up in arms, it is well aware there are fakes about and it turns a blind eye.
As an artist i am glad these people and galleries are being scamed! Art is not a commodity and if you buy or trade for gains you deserve to be fooled!
A lot of dealers know what their selling.
Stupid paintings. If only Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Rembrandt is alive today, they will laugh at these paintings.
I think my pet cat can forge those.
So if you want to buy a Roscoe block of colour....I'll do you one....I've got several I'm using to stop a leak in the rabbit hutch.....
This goes to show that shitty art can easily be copied 😂 he’s just proving the point that we were all thinking that anyone can do those works
Truly. It's not that he's a great forger. I have similar "art" on my fridge, thanks to my grandkids.
That guy knew along what he was getting into!!!
How on Eart someone could come up with the idea it was ART ? :))))))))))))))))
amazing art world
58mill for painting wow
The Chinese painter got $10.5 million from the $80 million painting.that he had painted .. this came out the New York Times newspaper i read the articles Pg10-11 he did get paid ten million after it was sold by the auctioneer
Even fakes are articulate as the OG. The greed of the riches lead to fakes.
the squares and splashes can be easily done by a 3yr old
G people buy that art out of demand. It can be done by a child. But a childs paintings are not in demand.
You're right Im The Mapp. That's why contemporary art is fraud.
The Chinese guy shouldn't have forged the signature. Because he did it's hardly convincing that he was just painting replicas.
Lol art forgers used to need a high level of painterly skill. Nowadays modern art is such a joke that a construction worker can paint coloured squares and rich idiots pull out their chequebooks
Kinda feel bad for the forger. He got paid scraps for his talent.
The guy at the end is wrong - the lesson isn't that "people don't care about quality of the art, just the name." Many admitted themselves they liked them until they were known fakes... It's that there is more to ANY object that has some specific HISTORY, or "provenance," if you like - it's that we as humans value what we imagine to be a past and its story... a very human thing to do. And that is quite, quite valuable. Would you say the same about, for example, the "lost arc" or something similar? I doubt it...
6:28 is exactly right
1:40 who the hell would spend millions of dollars on that crap. I can throw spaghetti at the wall and make it look better.
Oh noes, my abstract masterpiece (that you can't tell which way up it should go) turns out to be by this guy and not by that guy, it's no longer 'real art'!
Most funny lisp I've heard in a while
if you can see the painting you're buying, and decide to pay a surden amount for it, how was you fooled?
For centuries, art has fascinated people. The sensitivity of the audience resulted from being stimulated by cultural events, social changes, wars, etc.
This is how new directions in art emerged. Today's world needs something else, and that's why Compmaturism.
The works of the Compmaturists relate to today's human needs; they are emotional, devoid of routine and calculation.
They are filled with art juice.
Im no expert but the way the forger was using that brush i qustion if hes ever painted
This just goes to show you how ridiculous it is to buy a "block" Rothco or a "dribble" Pollock is. There is nothing special about them like paintings by the hundreds of artists that came before them. Van Eyke, Vermeer, Rembrandt, Carravaggio to Van Gough, Renoir, Monet, to all of the Renaissance masters. I laugh at anyone who buys a Warhol painting of soup cans. What a joke. I don't like Picasso's or Dali's paintings but they at least have artistic value. I know people will hate this comment but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Am actually amazed ppl pay millions for abstract paintings that are so simple to paint...why are ppl so stupid to pay in millions for just random red and black boxes 🙄 ... What about those who spend hours on minute detailing....
Art is a feeling. What someone feels when they look at it. An artist is a person that can communicate through an object its not easy to explain. The art world is also used to hide money by lots of 1%. Non tangible text my a**. Thats why there upset..
its all mind games
Is this a joke! Give me a break..
Vextation of spirit
The problem is that Rothkos and Pollocks are garbage "modern art" that are no better than children's paintings but a bunch of wealthy people have been fooled into thinking they have some imaginary value. The forger was simply capitalizing on a market full of buyers that are idiots whether they're buying "real" paintings or fakes.
6:22 sums up the human behaviour
The problem with contemporary art is there's no technicity involved in creating those so called masterpieces. As you don't have to be a high technician to paint it, anyone can forge that kind of painting. And because those painting had been made using modern pigments, there's no chance to identify a fake with scientific analysis. To be honnest, making a fake abstract painting is not that hard. Pollock, Rothko, Basquiat and other are really far far away from genius like Cravaggio, Da Vinci, or even from modern artists like Cesar Santos...
You have to be fair, Basquiat is a tad bit better than the likes of Rothko, Franz Kline & Pollock. More on the level of Twombly & Warhol whose work has a more abstract cerebral quality to them.
Also a REAL Basquiat would be rather difficult to duplicate for anyone who knows his work, he had a distinguished, unique hand regardless of his lack of formal technique, unlike the others you mentioned.
Even the original Rothko is garbage and worthless crap.
People who say a child can do better paintings make a common mistake nowadays of replacing a concept with a technique. A technique can ultimately be learn by anyone through repetition but an original ideea needs the spark of genius. Yes anyone can paint a Rothko but nobody could have done it if it Rothko didn`t do it in the first place.
I think rather that no one could sell it if he didn't..
Thats also an interesting point of view...
"Art history" is a sham too bro. It's a narrowed perspective on the actual history of art to benefit, promote & validate a small select group of so-called artists, see Koons, Hirst (both corporate artists who barely touch "their" own work), Rothko, Pollock, Franz Kline etc. There is a stage for all sorts of art but there seems to be a lack of art that doesn't need a written explanation to appreciate.
*in the art establishments & institutes.
That it's "probably" a fake??? No, it IS a fake! I'm an artist and independent curator and can tell from this video that the fake Pollock is a fake by the vibrancy and tone of the colours.
Like how can come one look a the Pollock painting and think it's a good work of part I use to make them in MS paint back in the day and I've seen my niece make one does that mean I can sell them for 58 million
Do it then
For some reason chinese art has never climbed the top ladder of European and Western Art. Can this chinese forger could imitate a Michelangelo's David ?
Theres alot of crap art today
if you cant tell the real deal from a fake, what is the point of art????????????
That's what you get for buying splatter and color blocks for millions
Anyone willing to plunk down $3 m for this ==> 02:00 forfeits the right to complain.
What's next.....fake IPhones?
That interviewed artist on the run is not the real forger, but a quasi-look-alike paid to double as the man himself. Fooled again :o
If it’s good enough to trick critics, then it’s good enough. The forgers are nothing but talented hustlers
No comparison to Wolfgang Beltracchi !
My 11yr nephew could fake z Rothco.
People really want to believe.
any jews involved ?
If you’re gonna fake a painting to sell for millions Rothko is the easy choice
oh his name is .. unfortunate. gopnik is not the most classy word to call yourself. i know it is not his fault, but... poor guy.
The blocks were painted by 4th graders in art class...lol...
This easy the paint looking new and colors difetent,and material canvas looking new. This Fake.???.Ye'S.
Art is Hype
Who would buy this crap paintings for millions? I do not feel sorry for buyers, even it is a crime to sell fakes
Everything you see on the showroom floor is factitious, it’s all narrative . For those of familiar with the subject being able to forge a master work is an accomplishment. Michelangelo and many other of the great Renaissance master were great forgers .
This goes to show how art is not about talent, rather it's about perspective.
A highly talented individual can turn out reproductions of art, yet why can't he use his talent and create original artwork of his own?! Because he has no perspective.
This artist does create his own work but like most unknowns, he went unrewarded for it. Chinese artists, given the sheer population size of China, would be a dime a dozen. All the perspective in the world won't make a difference if the stars don't all align. It takes luck. Can't tell me that only famous artists have perspective.
2:46 that is insane some rich a##hole would pay $58,000,000 for that. My 9 year old daughter makes better art. There’s starving people around the world and somebody would pay that much for something like that… insane…