Part of the scam seems to be that pieces are loaned to museums for a few years so that they can add that to the item's provenance when they want to sell it through an auction house.
Stannous Flouride Correct. That’s why some museums refuse to take privately owned pieces on loan. Museums should be permanent repositories for artefacts, not promoters of the antiquities trade.
Yep. I know a guy who did exactly this at Yale. Loan it, cite the loan, bingo, you've got a prestigious history. In his case I'm not sure the art was even a fake, it just needed its provenance polished up.
Yes, that's real crafty and cunning. It's really sad that we can't enjoy buying and selling antiquities and antiques to the fullest because of criminals that fake things. There needs to be a law where if one is convicted of making forgeries of antiquities and antiques he or she will be imprisoned for life with no parole. No appeals and no deals either. I would ( just in case) like this man in the video, have all the fake stored somewhere until it can be examined thoroughly before destroying them.
Rush's Tumor I can buy expensive art without a bank. Cash. Can’t do that with a house or land without raising red flags of your income and where it comes from. Banks are easier way to get caught than art. Paper trails are never good.
matanuska high I’m not saying your wrong about art being used to money launder, it’s common knowledge in collectors circles. but you might be surprised how often real estate is used, regardless if they have to take a few extra steps paper work wise. Just read about billionaires row for the most egregious examples
Larsanator if you find a seller willing to renegotiate after sale value agreed, possible. Needs help from selling agent as well to find suitable seller willing to take some clean some dirt cash
Still though, since its about circulation, you would expect there would be more than enough genuine antique art to buy at crazy prices to launder money.
Outside of being a great emperor, Augustus's one mistake should have led to that head examination. Letting his failed general brother in law take legions into Germany was a pretty bad one.
the justification for this disproportionate ratio is that the heads, being the thickest part of the statue, are most likely to survive for 2-3 millennia.... they also tend to be made of higher quality/ purer material - as it's the most malleable on, since faces need more molding and detail work than the rest of the statue
I have heard in art school that forgeries can sometimes be worth more than the originals simply because of the skill of the artist and the beautiful pieces they are able to make, that coupled with the "infamy" of certain forgers and you have value even in a forgery. For instance, did you hear how excited that man sounded when he said it was going to be the first forgery by The Spanish Master that he was able to examine. This "Spanish Master" is already making a name for himself based on the quality of his forgeries and soon it might be a "thing" to have some "exciting black market art" from a "famous forger". We are the ones that place value on objects based on our own criteria, if we decide that forgeries by The Spanish Master are valuable, then they will be. Edit: Museums really should only display the real ones as real, but since they have so many forgeries they should exhibit the forgeries in an exhibit of their own, a forgery room, maybe where they display the forgeries next to the real ones to show how realistic the forgers can make it, or how obviously fake.
@@DanWoodTomwoodson Michaelangelo started as an art forger. He was caught and could have been severely punished however the cardinal thought he was so talented that he hired him as a personal artist.
i'm 2 years late, but you'll be pleased to hear that there are a couple of "fake art" museums! there's one in the USA i think, and one in Austria if i'm not mistaken. lots of art forgers (ex-forgers) also have their fakes displayed in galleries (or sell them legally). John Myatt has his fakes in a London gallery, for example.
Excellent documentary, so well filmed, and the montage too, someone is having fun, so much humour, the sequence with Chris Leon in the BMW with the Swiss landscape along operatic music is as funny as his entrance near Marseille (once theatres the Rolling Stones festive spirit) along 'Sympathy for the Devil'.
This is SO much worse now than it was four years ago. And not just with sculpture or antiquities but with all types of art. With online bidding gaining in popularity, now, everyday people are spending their savings or inheritance money just to own one "museum piece" and they are falling for every fake out there. So sad!
The point is, they're not worthless. Experts are willing to pay big money for these pieces because they are still top quality. As a piece of art, they should still go for a good price, just not top money.
You can buy reproductions online of loads of antiquities, but once an object in a collection has been proven a fake it isn't sold on, simply because it could reappear on the market again. You'd be surprised how cheap some reproductions sell for.
Nick Farinacci Heck just paint them yourself. Most of that stuff looks like my 5 year old nephew painted them anyway. I’ll guarantee you nobody would even question it.
Pertaining to the libel suit, the fact that the piece disappeared and even more revealing the fact the gentlemen has carried on with his public research says a lot about the outcome of the undisclosed settlement reached. I would confidently bet the decision went the way of it being a fake or that the case for it being a fake was very convincing and the plaintiff absolutely refused to allow any degree of independent validation of its legitimacy thus completely destroying their case and very likely resulting in their paying for fees and lost time of the defendant as an agreement to stop further public embarrassment that comes from a publicly known ruling against them.
They don't get the clue: every sculpture is easy to make a exact copy, with not so much effort, sculptors knew the difference, and that is professional secrets.After copy has been made, they do afterworks mastering original look, especial, at bronze sculpture.For many ordinary people....they dont know the difference between forgery and original, because its an art mastery.
...Roman empire lasted for 1000 years but sheer number or bronze heads is still remarkable to me. I mean what are the odds that there are so many heads and so few busts and are all in near perfect condition...
They're missing the boat - open up an art gallery/museum with only known fakes, showing how great the forgers were. You'd make more in ticket sales and pay far less for your displays.
So.... The Art World knows ,collectively, that there is a forger, often recognized as The Spanish Master. He has been forging in specifically, Ancient Bronzes for 45 years., and possibly has made 300 pieces. Yet.... Not one Museum director will look critically at his own collection, and if confronted, will deny that HE has been duped. Not one Museum director will look critically at his colleagues' collections, and try to find any examples. Not one Museum director will even take a critical look at the collections of Museums they compete with. The more denial there is, and resistance to provenance, the bigger this issue becomes. Every high end collection world has this issue. Wine, Art, Manuscripts, Maps, even Automobiles. Why don't we get a national tour group together and go see all the Spanish Masters' works on display around the US? Waltz right into Museums, and tell the staff, "We are here to see just the Spanish Masters' works, please."
I know this is a comment you posted a while ago - but I'm just reading it now and I whole-heartedly agree. I think this is exactly what should happen. Kind of like the museum of counterfeits/forgeries in Thailand (I think its in Thailand... it might be Cambodia!).
I also liked how the archeologist admired the artistic quality of the fake bronze had. It only shows that for him, it is a matter of honest historical research rather than a question of whether he is allowed to like the piece :-)
8:11 "Even the best of us can fall for a fake... There's nothing more to say..." He definitely knew he would be sued if he even slightly implied that it was being intentionally passed off as real
I've never heard a better case for using gut strings for early classical music. The wonderful countertenor whose voice is heard briefly is Philippe Jaroussky.
I thought that one was highly suspicious. Strong emotion is not a hallmark of classical antiquity representations and not a trustworthy piece of evidence. Quiet dignified power on the other hand is more typical.
"The Spanish Forger" is the name which was given to a forger active in the first decades of the twentieth century and who probably was Spanish. One picture he produced was alleged to show Columbus arriving on the American shore and you still see it used that way. It was sold to Wilfrid Voynich, a bookdealer then resident in London. He sold it to the British Museum/Library which realised it was a forgery. Voynich did the honourable thing and bought it back, though it has resurfaced since. The Spanish forger's title has just been re-used for the modern maker(s) of these heads.
What...and lose out on tens of thousands of dollars in commission? Not to mention ostracizing a member of the exclusive art/antiquities clique (which happen to be both buyers and sellers) thereby giving cold feet to other collectors who were thinking of putting their own items up for auction. This ripple effect could cost an auction house millions of $.
Berny, it only costs them the reputation in the whole network, that is if the buyer bleat this to the papers or higher up trustees. most times they are too embarrassed .
It does beg the question, doesn't it? However, those willing to buy a piece with murky provenance might be unwilling to bear the expense or be too naive or too trusting of their dealer to ask for the item in question to be studied as a possible forgery. The documentary did an excellent job of explaining how dealers get around this by not taking personal responsibility for the sale, etc. Also, as it's not a matter of simply doing a CT scan, you are involving a number of experts, and as we saw, a regular CT scan was too weak to "read" the interior of the head, and it also required expert interpretation, so that is a lot of expense and rare expert opinions, as gathered for this documentary. Why would one do that if one trusted their dealer and it had already been sold before as a believable antiquity? I believe these are some of the reasons why your question wouldn't result in this, as well as the reasons provided in the documentary. Other types of art might not benefit as much from a CT scan for determining if it's the genuine article. I'm thinking of some paintings. Although? in an attempt to properly "date" a canvas, I know some forgers have been known to paint over a canvas from the correct era, which would x-ray or CT scan as an underpainting and might provide a clue. But that alone might not be the smoking gun. Excellent documentary, btw... on a subject that I truly enjoy learning about and have been studying. Fascinating...very well presented doc.
They don't also have to because buyers want to think it's real, almost as if it's more important to get the bragging rights by owning something, it being authentic ain't that important if everyone thinks it's real and it serves it's purpose. Furthermore if you have owned something years and can't even retrack to seller, you don't want to hear you spend 200k on bullshit and look like a fool. This same stuff is happening in wine auctions, auction house wants the commission and buyer want's to think it's real so who is there to bring anybody in reality.
Such an interesting documentary. As an artist myself, I am always looking at the provenance of what it is I am buying even though it's on a different scale than these wonderful pieces of art or, fakes.
Photography it's part of my hobby and love it. I never thought Art forgery will be so extended and less exploited cause High Society is the reason to kept it under the rug as long it takes=forever .To me DW Documentary its an eye opened learning things that barely imagine. Amazing work!!
fascinating film. it reminds me of a quote from one of the great works of literature of our time: George Smiley: Ever bought a fake picture, Toby? Toby Esterhase: I sold a couple once. George Smiley: The more you pay for it, the less inclined you are to doubt its authenticity.
@@anodyne57 I think you were right the first time. Hahaha. Definitely some Hopcraft massaging of the original text. I can't remember when I have loved so much the filmed version of a book that I loved.
The irony, of course, with shows like this is the amount of really useful information it provides to forgers. Just like newscasts where they describe the details about how a hacker-a scammer-a killer was caught: great info for the criminals.
I’m an artist and have studied semiology in college, in one book made by Umberto Eco he talks about putting attentions to little things like how the ears. Fingers etc are made, so it makes sense you see discrepancies on the way the hair is done, as an artist who has done sculpture and studied the masters the first thing that came to my mind was the patina that would have been the first thing I would have checked, I’m obsessed with forgeries and fakes, post truth etc, great doc
I've seen docs about forgeries in painting mention the ears as a dead giveaway in detecting or ascribing authenticity for certain painters. As if comparing signatures and idiosyncrasies in the way letters were formed.
Anyone with an eye for detail can see fake bronze sculptures parading as antiques - as the sculptor has injected expressions and a bit of themselves into the work - it looks odd - whereas in antiquity the sculpture was totally form based and restricted in expression. Ultimately rich collectors don't care about whether an artwork is genuinely from antiquity or not - all they care about is its 'value on the art market' ....the real criminals are the 'ART Dealers' who pass on these fakes as real - or suggest them as possibly the real deal - the end result is always suggested at auction - 'caveat emptor' or buyer beware!!
Forgers do "exact copy" from the original, in that point is truth, never to be discovered because, if you want to "discover", you must have an artist knowledge!
I am so happy to read your comment on expression! It's the first thing I looked for - and found - in the first three minutes of this video. Who needs experts and x-rays? It's about feeling ... subtle energies and intuitions .. something's not quite right - ah! there it is - the mouth, the lips. I'm no expert, simply an art lover who's seen a lot of it , soul food. Can 'smell it' when something's off no matter how minute (Virgo Rising in my chart!). Thank you for "restricted in expression".
The "Spanish Master" also has difficulty rendering consistency in the eyes. In all the examples they showed, one eye was slightly higher than the other.
Yes, my impression exactly. The 'Spanish Master' has a style (an expression of themselves - who they are - like a fingerprint) and he/she can't help putting it into their work.
We have a counciller here on the Sunshine Coast Australia, that bought a cheap painting, and was told later on, that it was worthless. A few years later, Village Road Show re examined it.... and found that it was worth about $350,000 !
I've read about Forgeries at the "Getty Museum" , years ago,; while studying as a Conservator . Thank you for enlightening me to this Brilliant Work of Art Dealers' around Europe. Absolutely Brilliant. ! 🇬🇧⚠️
Early in his career Michelangelo would sometimes bury his pieces to give th3m an aged appearance so he could sell them as antiques. There's nothing new under the sun.
at 41:02, I got to the Met all the time, and I've seen that partiular bronze head in person; after watching the video, I can't help but realise how fake it looks, and on the description card, it even says something like 'private collection'! I would never have been suspicious before, but now it's too obvious to deny
As an ancient art collector, I try to get my pieces lab tested when I make purchases, even if they have great provenance (e.g. previously from a museum). The good thing is that reputable auction houses will typically refund if the item was determined to be a forgery, so there is quite a low risk on my part.
Whole episode made the "Spanish Master" look so brilliant. The fact that some or most of his work has been noticed and documented as fake, he has made over the years millions of dollars selling them to museums and private collectors through art dealers with most staying mum on the subject. Alas letting him stay in the shadows collecting even more millions of dollars to buy more ancient coins. Ultimately melting them down to cast new busts of famous history book individuals from antiquity.
Of course they sued you, You were making their art investment worthless. It was a matter of not losing their money. If the court can shut you up the rich will use it to nail you.
Excellent documentary (subtitles dire as usual) this video seems to prove that there are far more bust's and heads than there were statues possibly....
why wouldnt they just test the alloy composition, I am sure the alloys back then were very different from what a modern forger guy would just get at home depot today (so to speak)
Fascinating and pretty sobering. I wonder how many forgeries have I seen back when I was living and travelling through Western Europe? Thanks for sharing this documentary.
@@zoutewand There are multiple museums, one in France and in New York, who admitted themselves that they have collections of coptic art and paintings that are one-third and one-half fake. They say it in these documentaries too, stupid.
The result of the super duper high radiation ct scan could be achieved simply by looking inside through the bottom of the head with an endoscope or camera to see that there was no patina there. What about for instance investigating the broken edge of the sculpture. A metallurgist versed in metal fatigue methods should be able to recognize when a surface came undone in one blow or a cut or was sculpted that way.
33:30-36:20 From the documentary, the CT scan took cross sectional scans of the entire bust. This would allow them to determine metal stress or fatigue lines from the inside to the outer layer. The material scientists present would have taken metal samples and chemically analyzed it. Modern material science is the product of a combination of discipline including metallurgy, chemistry, and physics. I think the documentary underplay the level of scientific sophistication that was needed to arrive at their conclusion.
@@taotzu1339 It would take several hours to educate an audience as to the specific techniques, the science behind them, and then their application within the context of the artists technique vs. that of the sophisticated art forger. I think those who understand the implications of conducting such a thorough analysis on the bust already have forgone the conclusion that any additional tests or means of positively confirming the result.
The fact that art is increasing its value exponentially without any serious reason gives a good reason for a fake art to exist. Personally even though that i have not academic background or experience I accept and consider the Spanish master if it is one person as a classic grant master with his sculptures having the same market value like all others(i saw the eyes of the professors and their appreciation on his art ). After all everything you pay in art it is just an illusion of the effect and value it has but it is a globally shared illusion.
Really pains me to know these forgers are melting ancient coins to make fake art objects. Ancient coins handled by hundreds or thousands of humans, who are no longer alive, leave a tiny negative mark on a coin. Like the saddle seen in ancient stairs or the shine on the paw of a library lion.
One of the ironies of this is when the Art Institute of Chicago opened they had almost exclusively copies of well known paintings and plaster castes. And there is an interesting story when terracotta warrior sculptures were requested from China, they made exact copies and sent them to the US. They were bewildered to find out that they only wanted the originals. The point being is this obsession with originality in art is a relatively knew phenomenon that started in the late 19th century.
IMO the thing with bronze heads is that they´re a source of knowledge of what people looked like back then. And they tell us a lot about the ancient societies. For example, I found it fascinating that ancient sculptures never have their eyes turned up, they look directly at the world; while the forgeries might have been subsonsciously inspired by Baroque statues of martyrs who lift their eyes towards Christian God. And just notice, comparing the fake Augustus and the probably genuine Augustus, how the fake Augustus´ nose is smaller, his face slightly broader and shorter etc. He´s very similar to the original one but is actually a different type, might even be of a different ethnicity.
Strange story. 20 years ago I was a sculpter, I was good but worked mostly in ceramics. At a show, a guy who seemed Turkish came up to me and asked if I worked in stone. I had absolutely no desire to chisel away at rock. He told me I should try and he'd pay me a lot for Greek and Roman busts because he has clients looking for them. He was pushy. He asked me if I think I could do this or that.. I said "Given enough time, probably and I'd hate every minute of it" He kept on me about it, gave me his card and walked off. Now it all makes sense.
They say that the sculptures would be immediately worthless should they be proven fake but aren't they at least worth something on merit alone? it's impressive art whether genuine or not.
"Worthless" was an exaggeration, but if a bronze head sold for 2 million is discovered to be a fake someone would be willing to pay one thousand for, it will seem almost worthless in comparison.
if they produce art that moves people with emotion and beauty...they will hopefully be discovered and rewarded...if these qualities are absent...then that is usually reflected in the value buyers place on their work... ...Look at Warhol...Poons, Lichtenstein...Koons....Basquiat...even Jackson Pollock and Edward Hopper...etc....all sold for millions while still alive....Koons now sells for $50 million plus for his work..
@@zeroceiling stop the CAP. Many of the so called masterpieces were pretentious. You don't need to explain to someone why the art is important to incite appeal. Aesthetics is lost in art nowadays
...but the expert can tell the difference. That's kind of the point of the documentary. They also say, quite validly, that you can't study history using forgeries.
its the thought and inspiration that created the image in the mind of the artist...so you are paying for a part of his soul...so to speak......a forgery on the other hand...is like a dead body...it still looks the same but some aspect of it is different...
They can definitely tell the difference and part of the reason for the doc was to show how they're being passed off intentionally regardless just for the cash
Speaks to the impeccable provenance of buying new art. Plus you know, if we'd kept up producing beautiful things, instead of falling down into the dank hole that was most of the 20th Century, there would be such a plethora of art in all forms in the market that then mostly, the price of older works, wouldn't be worth the gains from counterfeiting it. Sure it would still be done, you can't stop this, but it would be a dilute nuisance rather than a very real threat to our heritage.
Several artists who created beautiful paintings lived in my town in the 20th century, and this is just a small provincial town in Czechia we´re talking about. No, I think Ancient Rome has been considered fascinating for many centuries now, hence the value. The bronze heads of emperors who lived 2.000 years ago attract people, no matter how much beautiful art we´re creating now.
It might be that the Spanish Master deliberately creates deviations from the real antique busts. If he is caught he can state in court that it is obvious that this statues are not genuine. That might help to reduce his sentence a bit.
These amazing sculptures today would not or barely be considered art (no serious gallery would exhibit them). But if they're ancient, they are art again. The powers that be (dealers, curators, critiques) in the art world lead us astray constantly. For example, they seek out artists who perform in the same style monotonously for decades, most creatives will tell you that is mind numbing and not creative at all - it's factory work. The whole industry is smoke and mirrors, controlled by people who do not create and make money for the few. Reclaim art for yourself and forget this world.
The fine art world is a scam and I love forgeries being caught. It's like saying FU fo the rich bastard trying to get away with not paying taxes. I also think after they catch forgers they should go to the top of the art world and have a chance to prove themselves under their own style
It is deeply in bedded in human nature that cheating is the surest way to make a quick profit. It's not going to change in any way. It's like trying to stop men from checking out women's backend.
So it's typical for the "Spanish master" that he never succeeds in creating a "real" classical head. But maybe they do it all the time. Just that these pieces wouldn't be suspected.
Who ever the Spanish is he should go legit.He could make a fortune selling his own works to the art world and not be afraid of hiding in some dark alley.
Ok, it is a forgery, and they do not belong in museums ( if not the exhibition is focused on forgeries). But all the heads shown here are absolutely BEAUTIFUL! Clap clap, well done spanish master.
To pick up a piece of filth on the floor of a art exibition is concidered stealing, it might belong to a painting that needs restoration. Your question does not make sense.
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Good job Dr Stefan Lehmann - we need more people with integrity like you.
Purchasing antiquity sculptures a lot are you to need a professional appraisal?
Nothing is as it seens...
Part of the scam seems to be that pieces are loaned to museums for a few years so that they can add that to the item's provenance when they want to sell it through an auction house.
Stannous Flouride
Correct. That’s why some museums refuse to take privately owned pieces on loan. Museums should be permanent repositories for artefacts, not promoters of the antiquities trade.
You are right, he mentioned that at the end of the video.
I forgot I've already watched this. :-)
Yep. I know a guy who did exactly this at Yale. Loan it, cite the loan, bingo, you've got a prestigious history. In his case I'm not sure the art was even a fake, it just needed its provenance polished up.
Yes, that's real crafty and cunning. It's really sad that we can't enjoy buying and selling antiquities and antiques to the fullest because of criminals that fake things. There needs to be a law where if one is convicted of making forgeries of antiquities and antiques he or she will be imprisoned for life with no parole. No appeals and no deals either. I would ( just in case) like this man in the video, have all the fake stored somewhere until it can be examined thoroughly before destroying them.
What an eye opener. Excellent documentary. This is a must watch for all those with a passion for ancient art works.
Or to all forger wannabe 😀
@@laz5590 Yeah I think I went into the wrong business. I need to start forging art lol
There are plenty of forgeries of modern works, too.
Or to people who love conmen . I love forgery bank robbery & counterfeit money . I've missed my calling .
Have you watched the biggest art con of the 20th century ?
Absolutely fantastic documentary! Do more stuff like this please.
The reason everyone is tight lipped and says nothing is because Art Dealing is really Money Laundering.
Exactly.....
Rush's Tumor I can buy expensive art without a bank. Cash. Can’t do that with a house or land without raising red flags of your income and where it comes from. Banks are easier way to get caught than art. Paper trails are never good.
matanuska high I’m not saying your wrong about art being used to money launder, it’s common knowledge in collectors circles. but you might be surprised how often real estate is used, regardless if they have to take a few extra steps paper work wise. Just read about billionaires row for the most egregious examples
Larsanator if you find a seller willing to renegotiate after sale value agreed, possible. Needs help from selling agent as well to find suitable seller willing to take some clean some dirt cash
Still though, since its about circulation, you would expect there would be more than enough genuine antique art to buy at crazy prices to launder money.
Fakes in the art world is an astonishing documentary! I truly did appreciate it so much. Thanks a lot for sharing! Keep it up!
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@@williamnordeste9653 you do enough to of left a comment
The content of this channel never ceases to amaze me. Brilliant!!
Luckily, this documentary is genuine -- no doubt about that!
Nope, forged camera was utilised
Has your account been subject to forensic analysis?
"So Augustus will have to have his head examined again"
I noticed and enjoyed that one, too!
Outside of being a great emperor, Augustus's one mistake should have led to that head examination. Letting his failed general brother in law take legions into Germany was a pretty bad one.
Excellent video. Very interesting, informative and worthwhile video.
With all these heads on the market, you'd expect an equally vast market for separated torsos and limbs...
Authentic, but low-value body fragments would be the perfect material to melt down for a million-dollar fake head. I wonder ...are there any left ?
LOL
the justification for this disproportionate ratio is that the heads, being the thickest part of the statue, are most likely to survive for 2-3 millennia.... they also tend to be made of higher quality/ purer material - as it's the most malleable on, since faces need more molding and detail work than the rest of the statue
Well I have a fake torso I know I could sell if only someone would lend me a hand or two.
Ba-dum-chh
What a great documentary. Very well done, and absolutely jaw-dropping to think so many forgeries are being shown as authentic.
I have heard in art school that forgeries can sometimes be worth more than the originals simply because of the skill of the artist and the beautiful pieces they are able to make, that coupled with the "infamy" of certain forgers and you have value even in a forgery. For instance, did you hear how excited that man sounded when he said it was going to be the first forgery by The Spanish Master that he was able to examine. This "Spanish Master" is already making a name for himself based on the quality of his forgeries and soon it might be a "thing" to have some "exciting black market art" from a "famous forger". We are the ones that place value on objects based on our own criteria, if we decide that forgeries by The Spanish Master are valuable, then they will be.
Edit: Museums really should only display the real ones as real, but since they have so many forgeries they should exhibit the forgeries in an exhibit of their own, a forgery room, maybe where they display the forgeries next to the real ones to show how realistic the forgers can make it, or how obviously fake.
Forgers were imitating the work of Van Meegeren, a forger himself.
In the Royal Armouries in Leeds UK, several forgeries of medieval items are displayed in this way, in their own exhibition of fakes.
@@DanWoodTomwoodson Michaelangelo started as an art forger. He was caught and could have been severely punished however the cardinal thought he was so talented that he hired him as a personal artist.
i'm 2 years late, but you'll be pleased to hear that there are a couple of "fake art" museums! there's one in the USA i think, and one in Austria if i'm not mistaken. lots of art forgers (ex-forgers) also have their fakes displayed in galleries (or sell them legally). John Myatt has his fakes in a London gallery, for example.
@quistwing Nice! I'll have to check those out, thank you!
The Alexander looks like something you'd pick up in a good gardening centre.
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Excellent documentary, so well filmed, and the montage too, someone is having fun, so much humour, the sequence with Chris Leon in the BMW with the Swiss landscape along operatic music is as funny as his entrance near Marseille (once theatres the Rolling Stones festive spirit) along 'Sympathy for the Devil'.
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Pure class!!!
This is SO much worse now than it was four years ago. And not just with sculpture or antiquities but with all types of art. With online bidding gaining in popularity, now, everyday people are spending their savings or inheritance money just to own one "museum piece" and they are falling for every fake out there. So sad!
so how do I go about buying worthless proven forgeries for next to nothing, because Id love to decorate my house with certified fakes for dirt cheap.
The point is, they're not worthless. Experts are willing to pay big money for these pieces because they are still top quality. As a piece of art, they should still go for a good price, just not top money.
@@magichands135 I disagree, no expert would spend big money on a known fake.
You can buy reproductions online of loads of antiquities, but once an object in a collection has been proven a fake it isn't sold on, simply because it could reappear on the market again. You'd be surprised how cheap some reproductions sell for.
Nick Farinacci Heck just paint them yourself. Most of that stuff looks like my 5 year old nephew painted them anyway. I’ll guarantee you nobody would even question it.
Go to any art museum basement and make cash offers. Over 65 percent of everything down there is bogus.
DW makes the best documentaries.
Anti-Indiana Jones: 'That doesn't belong in a museum!'
Ha, they should make a new film where he's stealing these from museums and taking them to a scrapyard.
Indi-anti? I named the dog Indi-anti!
Pertaining to the libel suit, the fact that the piece disappeared and even more revealing the fact the gentlemen has carried on with his public research says a lot about the outcome of the undisclosed settlement reached. I would confidently bet the decision went the way of it being a fake or that the case for it being a fake was very convincing and the plaintiff absolutely refused to allow any degree of independent validation of its legitimacy thus completely destroying their case and very likely resulting in their paying for fees and lost time of the defendant as an agreement to stop further public embarrassment that comes from a publicly known ruling against them.
If I had the Spanish Master's talent.....I would have done a little more research...
BETTER yet, I would have started My Own ART career and Become a Famous ARTIST!!
He or she likely creates what sells well, not what looks convincing. There is almost no overlap between these categories.
...mastering any craft takes time, so does reasearching history. I guess one has too little of if to master both...
Why bother? It all sold.
They don't get the clue: every sculpture is easy to make a exact copy, with not so much effort, sculptors knew the difference, and that is professional secrets.After copy has been made, they do afterworks mastering original look, especial, at bronze sculpture.For many ordinary people....they dont know the difference between forgery and original, because its an art mastery.
...Roman empire lasted for 1000 years but sheer number or bronze heads is still remarkable to me. I mean what are the odds that there are so many heads and so few busts and are all in near perfect condition...
there were so many bronze heads in the streets of rome you could hardly walk
Conveniently for these Bronze heads, radio-Carbon C14 dating will not work as it's only possible for organic textures...
They're missing the boat - open up an art gallery/museum with only known fakes, showing how great the forgers were. You'd make more in ticket sales and pay far less for your displays.
Great idea!
My God, you're a goddamned genius!!! They are TRULY missing the boat!!! Wow!!! Great idea!!!
There have been exhibits dedicated to forged art. Specifically the Spanish master. Some of his known forgeries are still worth good money
Good idea, probably against the law in most countries though 🤷🏼♂️
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So....
The Art World knows ,collectively, that there is a forger, often recognized as The Spanish Master.
He has been forging in specifically, Ancient Bronzes for 45 years., and possibly has made 300 pieces.
Yet....
Not one Museum director will look critically at his own collection, and if confronted, will deny that HE has been duped.
Not one Museum director will look critically at his colleagues' collections, and try to find any examples.
Not one Museum director will even take a critical look at the collections of Museums they compete with.
The more denial there is, and resistance to provenance, the bigger this issue becomes.
Every high end collection world has this issue.
Wine, Art, Manuscripts, Maps, even Automobiles.
Why don't we get a national tour group together and go see all the Spanish Masters' works on display around the US?
Waltz right into Museums, and tell the staff, "We are here to see just the Spanish Masters' works, please."
I know this is a comment you posted a while ago - but I'm just reading it now and I whole-heartedly agree. I think this is exactly what should happen. Kind of like the museum of counterfeits/forgeries in Thailand (I think its in Thailand... it might be Cambodia!).
I love it, a great idea.
MarkH10 isn’t it grand when these so-called art collectors’ egos are so fragile that they are in denial about their own collection of art forgeries?
Excellent cinematography.
@Rahim Muy excelente !
Fascinating program, thank you!
I also liked how the archeologist admired the artistic quality of the fake bronze had. It only shows that for him, it is a matter of honest historical research rather than a question of whether he is allowed to like the piece :-)
8:11 "Even the best of us can fall for a fake... There's nothing more to say..." He definitely knew he would be sued if he even slightly implied that it was being intentionally passed off as real
He was probably framed!!
I dunno if it’s the translation but the art dealer at 4:08 made me laugh. I love how he talks.
Excellent and fascinating documentary.
And the music at the beginning, a subtle joke - Scherza Infida - from Handel's Ariodante. Icing on the cake
Thank you. I was looking for this specifically.
I've never heard a better case for using gut strings for early classical music. The wonderful countertenor whose voice is heard briefly is Philippe Jaroussky.
The plaster cast at 18:21 in the background is amazing! the emotion and power! They said these are all originals too. Best ive ever seen.
I thought that one was highly suspicious. Strong emotion is not a hallmark of classical antiquity representations and not a trustworthy piece of evidence. Quiet dignified power on the other hand is more typical.
Great video! What a fascinating subject
Informative. I had longed to watch a documentary on this topic. I request for a similar one made on painting. Thank you DW!
There have been several documentaries on fake paintings from the 'Masters' over the decades. They are indeed fascinating!
"The Spanish Forger" is the name which was given to a forger active in the first decades of the twentieth century and who probably was Spanish. One picture he produced was alleged to show Columbus arriving on the American shore and you still see it used that way. It was sold to Wilfrid Voynich, a bookdealer then resident in London. He sold it to the British Museum/Library which realised it was a forgery. Voynich did the honourable thing and bought it back, though it has resurfaced since. The Spanish forger's title has just been re-used for the modern maker(s) of these heads.
Brilliant documentary.
Very interesting information. One would think that the auction houses would do a CT scan on the sculptures before putting them out on the market.
Too expensive
What...and lose out on tens of thousands of dollars in commission? Not to mention ostracizing a member of the exclusive art/antiquities clique (which happen to be both buyers and sellers) thereby giving cold feet to other collectors who were thinking of putting their own items up for auction. This ripple effect could cost an auction house millions of $.
Berny, it only costs them the reputation in the whole network, that is if the buyer bleat this to the papers or higher up trustees. most times they are too embarrassed .
It does beg the question, doesn't it? However, those willing to buy a piece with murky provenance might be unwilling to bear the expense or be too naive or too trusting of their dealer to ask for the item in question to be studied as a possible forgery. The documentary did an excellent job of explaining how dealers get around this by not taking personal responsibility for the sale, etc.
Also, as it's not a matter of simply doing a CT scan, you are involving a number of experts, and as we saw, a regular CT scan was too weak to "read" the interior of the head, and it also required expert interpretation, so that is a lot of expense and rare expert opinions, as gathered for this documentary. Why would one do that if one trusted their dealer and it had already been sold before as a believable antiquity? I believe these are some of the reasons why your question wouldn't result in this, as well as the reasons provided in the documentary.
Other types of art might not benefit as much from a CT scan for determining if it's the genuine article. I'm thinking of some paintings. Although? in an attempt to properly "date" a canvas, I know some forgers have been known to paint over a canvas from the correct era, which would x-ray or CT scan as an underpainting and might provide a clue. But that alone might not be the smoking gun.
Excellent documentary, btw... on a subject that I truly enjoy learning about and have been studying. Fascinating...very well presented doc.
They don't also have to because buyers want to think it's real, almost as if it's more important to get the bragging rights by owning something, it being authentic ain't that important if everyone thinks it's real and it serves it's purpose. Furthermore if you have owned something years and can't even retrack to seller, you don't want to hear you spend 200k on bullshit and look like a fool. This same stuff is happening in wine auctions, auction house wants the commission and buyer want's to think it's real so who is there to bring anybody in reality.
Another great documentary DW
Great documentary.
A fascinating documentary. When he was in the room of plaster casts, I almost expected one of them to turn and look at him 😳
Such an interesting documentary. As an artist myself, I am always looking at the provenance of what it is I am buying even though it's on a different scale than these wonderful pieces of art or, fakes.
Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts on the topic. We’re glad you liked the documentary.
"This one is so fake it stinks." I love this guys confidence!
Photography it's part of my hobby and love it. I never thought Art forgery will be so extended and less exploited cause High Society is the reason to kept it under the rug as long it takes=forever .To me DW Documentary its an eye opened learning things that barely imagine. Amazing work!!
Your garbled post makes it difficult to respond.
Academics and scientists stepping in to the art market racket and telling forgers they are on their radar. I love it.
They should just have a museum of known forgers.
That would be very cool! I would absolutely visit. They're part of the history of Earth
There is one in Vienna
Augustus looked shocked when he heard he was fake.. 😂😂😂
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fascinating film. it reminds me of a quote from one of the great works of literature of our time:
George Smiley: Ever bought a fake picture, Toby?
Toby Esterhase: I sold a couple once.
George Smiley: The more you pay for it, the less inclined you are to doubt its authenticity.
Those are wonderful lines by Le Carré...succinct, pithy, eloquent, and humorous. Redolent of the complexity of human existence.
@@anodyne57 I think you were right the first time. Hahaha. Definitely some Hopcraft massaging of the original text. I can't remember when I have loved so much the filmed version of a book that I loved.
The irony, of course, with shows like this is the amount of really useful information it provides to forgers. Just like newscasts where they describe the details about how a hacker-a scammer-a killer was caught: great info for the criminals.
Exactly. They wouldn't have a way to access the real experts so easily otherwise.
You only have to read the several 'disclaimer' pages at the end of an auction catalogue to get an idea of the mentality of these institutions !
I’m an artist and have studied semiology in college, in one book made by Umberto Eco he talks about putting attentions to little things like how the ears. Fingers etc are made, so it makes sense you see discrepancies on the way the hair is done, as an artist who has done sculpture and studied the masters the first thing that came to my mind was the patina that would have been the first thing I would have checked, I’m obsessed with forgeries and fakes, post truth etc, great doc
I've seen docs about forgeries in painting mention the ears as a dead giveaway in detecting or ascribing authenticity for certain painters. As if comparing signatures and idiosyncrasies in the way letters were formed.
Anyone with an eye for detail can see fake bronze sculptures parading as antiques - as the sculptor has injected expressions and a bit of themselves into the work - it looks odd - whereas in antiquity the sculpture was totally form based and restricted in expression. Ultimately rich collectors don't care about whether an artwork is genuinely from antiquity or not - all they care about is its 'value on the art market' ....the real criminals are the 'ART Dealers' who pass on these fakes as real - or suggest them as possibly the real deal - the end result is always suggested at auction - 'caveat emptor' or buyer beware!!
Forgers do "exact copy" from the original, in that point is truth, never to be discovered because, if you want to "discover", you must have an artist knowledge!
I am so happy to read your comment on expression! It's the first thing I looked for - and found - in the first three minutes of this video. Who needs experts and x-rays? It's about feeling ... subtle energies and intuitions .. something's not quite right - ah! there it is - the mouth, the lips. I'm no expert, simply an art lover who's seen a lot of it , soul food. Can 'smell it' when something's off no matter how minute (Virgo Rising in my chart!). Thank you for "restricted in expression".
The "Spanish Master" also has difficulty rendering consistency in the eyes. In all the examples they showed, one eye was slightly higher than the other.
Yes, my impression exactly. The 'Spanish Master' has a style (an expression of themselves - who they are - like a fingerprint) and he/she can't help putting it into their work.
We have a counciller here on the Sunshine Coast Australia, that bought a cheap painting, and was told later on, that it was worthless. A few years later, Village Road Show re examined it.... and found that it was worth about $350,000 !
Soundtrack from “The Talented Mr. Ripley”
I've read about Forgeries at the "Getty Museum" , years ago,; while studying as a Conservator . Thank you for enlightening me to this Brilliant Work of Art Dealers' around Europe. Absolutely Brilliant. ! 🇬🇧⚠️
I love how he said “this is so fake it stinks!” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Early in his career Michelangelo would sometimes bury his pieces to give th3m an aged appearance so he could sell them as antiques. There's nothing new under the sun.
at 41:02, I got to the Met all the time, and I've seen that partiular bronze head in person; after watching the video, I can't help but realise how fake it looks, and on the description card, it even says something like 'private collection'! I would never have been suspicious before, but now it's too obvious to deny
Mention to the Curator in passing how fine an example of The Spanish Master he has.
As an ancient art collector, I try to get my pieces lab tested when I make purchases, even if they have great provenance (e.g. previously from a museum). The good thing is that reputable auction houses will typically refund if the item was determined to be a forgery, so there is quite a low risk on my part.
Is there an exhibition somewhere about the „Spanish Master“? I would love to visit it.
Whole episode made the "Spanish Master" look so brilliant. The fact that some or most of his work has been noticed and documented as fake, he has made over the years millions of dollars selling them to museums and private collectors through art dealers with most staying mum on the subject. Alas letting him stay in the shadows collecting even more millions of dollars to buy more ancient coins. Ultimately melting them down to cast new busts of famous history book individuals from antiquity.
Of course they sued you, You were making their art investment worthless. It was a matter of not losing their money. If the court can shut you up the rich will use it to nail you.
Excellent documentary (subtitles dire as usual) this video seems to prove that there are far more bust's and heads than there were statues possibly....
Welcome to the art world: where everything is made up and the points dont matter!
Alex because it is subjective. The process of making art is meaningful but money and the current culture make it impure.
That's funny!! Drew friggin carie
why wouldnt they just test the alloy composition, I am sure the alloys back then were very different from what a modern forger guy would just get at home depot today (so to speak)
Fascinating and pretty sobering. I wonder how many forgeries have I seen back when I was living and travelling through Western Europe? Thanks for sharing this documentary.
They estimate that 1/3 to 1/2 of the art in museums is fake.
@@EGarrett01 highest I've heard is 20% of art sold at auctions, "half of all museumpieces" is way too high
@@EGarrett01who is they like give me some sources man do you even know what you're saying lol
@@zoutewand There are multiple museums, one in France and in New York, who admitted themselves that they have collections of coptic art and paintings that are one-third and one-half fake. They say it in these documentaries too, stupid.
Excellent soundtrack by a little-known composer. I found this video fascinating. Good job Deutsche Welle!!
The result of the super duper high radiation ct scan could be achieved simply by looking inside through the bottom of the head with an endoscope or camera to see that there was no patina there.
What about for instance investigating the broken edge of the sculpture. A metallurgist versed in metal fatigue methods should be able to recognize when a surface came undone in one blow or a cut or was sculpted that way.
33:30-36:20 From the documentary, the CT scan took cross sectional scans of the entire bust. This would allow them to determine metal stress or fatigue lines from the inside to the outer layer. The material scientists present would have taken metal samples and chemically analyzed it. Modern material science is the product of a combination of discipline including metallurgy, chemistry, and physics. I think the documentary underplay the level of scientific sophistication that was needed to arrive at their conclusion.
@@taotzu1339 It would take several hours to educate an audience as to the specific techniques, the science behind them, and then their application within the context of the artists technique vs. that of the sophisticated art forger. I think those who understand the implications of conducting such a thorough analysis on the bust already have forgone the conclusion that any additional tests or means of positively confirming the result.
The fact that art is increasing its value exponentially without any serious reason gives a good reason for a fake art to exist. Personally even though that i have not academic background or experience I accept and consider the Spanish master if it is one person as a classic grant master with his sculptures having the same market value like all others(i saw the eyes of the professors and their appreciation on his art ). After all everything you pay in art it is just an illusion of the effect and value it has but it is a globally shared illusion.
Really pains me to know these forgers are melting ancient coins to make fake art objects. Ancient coins handled by hundreds or thousands of humans, who are no longer alive, leave a tiny negative mark on a coin. Like the saddle seen in ancient stairs or the shine on the paw of a library lion.
Loving the Talented Mr. Ripley vibes
The good news is that your sculpture is genuine. The bad news is that it is now highly radioactive.
Radiation doesn't cause radiated items to become radioactive.
I like the song Radioactive, from the 80's.
what a stupid comment ....clearly u understated nothing fro what they said
One of the ironies of this is when the Art Institute of Chicago opened they had almost exclusively copies of well known paintings and plaster castes.
And there is an interesting story when terracotta warrior sculptures were requested from China, they made exact copies and sent them to the US. They were bewildered to find out that they only wanted the originals.
The point being is this obsession with originality in art is a relatively knew phenomenon that started in the late 19th century.
IMO the thing with bronze heads is that they´re a source of knowledge of what people looked like back then. And they tell us a lot about the ancient societies. For example, I found it fascinating that ancient sculptures never have their eyes turned up, they look directly at the world; while the forgeries might have been subsonsciously inspired by Baroque statues of martyrs who lift their eyes towards Christian God. And just notice, comparing the fake Augustus and the probably genuine Augustus, how the fake Augustus´ nose is smaller, his face slightly broader and shorter etc. He´s very similar to the original one but is actually a different type, might even be of a different ethnicity.
Strange story. 20 years ago I was a sculpter, I was good but worked mostly in ceramics. At a show, a guy who seemed Turkish came up to me and asked if I worked in stone. I had absolutely no desire to chisel away at rock. He told me I should try and he'd pay me a lot for Greek and Roman busts because he has clients looking for them. He was pushy. He asked me if I think I could do this or that.. I said "Given enough time, probably and I'd hate every minute of it" He kept on me about it, gave me his card and walked off. Now it all makes sense.
Carbon dating can be done. Oxidation of metals can accurately work.
Not really. One never knows the conditions in which the piece was kept. By the sea? In a dry climate? Under sand for a thousand years?
Bold and daring, but interesting view of one side
I would pay to be an apprentice... The Spanish master... What a legend
Good documentary, but no reference about the music: seems to be G.FHaendel's HW33, Ariodante "Scherza Infida"..who is the singer?
beautiful opera recording in the intro- anyone know the recording and artist?
ozmotic for the soundtrack at 20:55 !!! Love this
They say that the sculptures would be immediately worthless should they be proven fake but aren't they at least worth something on merit alone? it's impressive art whether genuine or not.
Probably not. Its like a knock off Louis Vuitton handbag. Not even worth 10% of the original
@@drshaynescott yeah but a sculpture takes a lot more time and effort than a leather handbag.
"Worthless" was an exaggeration, but if a bronze head sold for 2 million is discovered to be a fake someone would be willing to pay one thousand for, it will seem almost worthless in comparison.
Supper interesting documentary, makes me want to research art
Hi @Spencer Thompson, thanks for watching!
I'd really love to have a museum of fake art, I find most of this pieces are pretty beautiful and can't see why they are *worthless*
Because they are not over one thousand years old...
BRAVO !
If people cared to buy art from alive artists then maybe artists wouldn’t have to make copies and fake old art
if they produce art that moves people with emotion and beauty...they will hopefully be discovered and rewarded...if these qualities are absent...then that is usually reflected in the value buyers place on their work...
...Look at Warhol...Poons, Lichtenstein...Koons....Basquiat...even Jackson Pollock and Edward Hopper...etc....all sold for millions while still alive....Koons now sells for $50 million plus for his work..
@@zeroceiling stop the CAP. Many of the so called masterpieces were pretentious. You don't need to explain to someone why the art is important to incite appeal. Aesthetics is lost in art nowadays
good job. well done.
At the end of the day, 'masterpieces' aren't about art... they're about age. In a thousand years, the Spanish master will be worth millions !
The " Spanish Forger", is passing down his " craft of how to " onto younger brillant and talented people, whom are making sculptures ......
I guess youtube recommendations have brought us all back together again
if an expert cant tell the difference between a fake and the real thing,
then the fakes are just a good as the real thing.
...but the expert can tell the difference. That's kind of the point of the documentary. They also say, quite validly, that you can't study history using forgeries.
@@EGarrett01 It's like using counterfeit money instead of real money
its the thought and inspiration that created the image in the mind of the artist...so you are paying for a part of his soul...so to speak......a forgery on the other hand...is like a dead body...it still looks the same but some aspect of it is different...
They can definitely tell the difference and part of the reason for the doc was to show how they're being passed off intentionally regardless just for the cash
Speaks to the impeccable provenance of buying new art. Plus you know, if we'd kept up producing beautiful things, instead of falling down into the dank hole that was most of the 20th Century, there would be such a plethora of art in all forms in the market that then mostly, the price of older works, wouldn't be worth the gains from counterfeiting it. Sure it would still be done, you can't stop this, but it would be a dilute nuisance rather than a very real threat to our heritage.
Several artists who created beautiful paintings lived in my town in the 20th century, and this is just a small provincial town in Czechia we´re talking about. No, I think Ancient Rome has been considered fascinating for many centuries now, hence the value. The bronze heads of emperors who lived 2.000 years ago attract people, no matter how much beautiful art we´re creating now.
It might be that the Spanish Master deliberately creates deviations from the real antique busts. If he is caught he can state in court that it is obvious that this statues are not genuine. That might help to reduce his sentence a bit.
These amazing sculptures today would not or barely be considered art (no serious gallery would exhibit them). But if they're ancient, they are art again.
The powers that be (dealers, curators, critiques) in the art world lead us astray constantly. For example, they seek out artists who perform in the same style monotonously for decades, most creatives will tell you that is mind numbing and not creative at all - it's factory work. The whole industry is smoke and mirrors, controlled by people who do not create and make money for the few. Reclaim art for yourself and forget this world.
The fine art world is a scam and I love forgeries being caught. It's like saying FU fo the rich bastard trying to get away with not paying taxes.
I also think after they catch forgers they should go to the top of the art world and have a chance to prove themselves under their own style
It is deeply in bedded in human nature that cheating is the surest way to make a quick profit. It's not going to change in any way. It's like trying to stop men from checking out women's backend.
So it's typical for the "Spanish master" that he never succeeds in creating a "real" classical head. But maybe they do it all the time. Just that these pieces wouldn't be suspected.
33:53 “make sure we get a shot of the lights flashing, and make sure we get good audio too. It’s essential”
Who ever the Spanish is he should go legit.He could make a fortune selling his own works to the art world and not be afraid of hiding in some dark alley.
That was fascinating. What a fantastic character.....ta da....the SPANISH master. Can't wait for the movie!!!
I imagine this Spanish master reading Lehmann's book and taking lots of notes.
Ok, it is a forgery, and they do not belong in museums ( if not the exhibition is focused on forgeries). But all the heads shown here are absolutely BEAUTIFUL! Clap clap, well done spanish master.
So if a forgery is worthless, is it a crime to steal art if it's determined to be a forgery?
If i steal your shoes, is it still count as a crime?
Stealing isn't allowed.
To pick up a piece of filth on the floor of a art exibition is concidered stealing, it might belong to a painting that needs restoration. Your question does not make sense.
worth has NOTHING to do with stealing.