Has the BDS Movement hit a dead-end in exerting pressure on the Israeli Government? | Finkelstein

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  • This is an excerpt from Norman Finkelstein’s address to the UCD Philosophy Society, University College Dublin, on the current state of the occupied territories.
    In his address, Dr Finklestein discusses the recent conflicts in the occupied territories which followed the kidnapping and killing of three Israeli youths and a Palestinian teen; Israel's anti-missile defence system, the Iron Dome; Isreal’s Operation Protective Edge; and possible ways to resolve the conflict.
    Finkelstein, a political scientist, has written extensively on the political, social and historical state of Israel and the occupied territories. He famously and successfully dismantled and deconstructed 'From Time Immemorial' by Joan Peters which, at the time, was considered a foundational and invaluable text on the Palestine - Israel Conflict.
    Finkelstein received his doctorate in 1988 from the Department of Politics at Princeton University. He currently teaches at Sakarya University’s Center for Middle Eastern Studies in Turkey. He is the author of ten books that have been translated into 50 foreign editions. The title of his latest book is Method and Madness: The hidden story of Israel’s assaults on Gaza.
    “Mr Finkelstein's research is certainly thorough. His characterisations, too, can be brilliant, and he spares nobody...” The Economist (2012).

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  • @punchgod
    @punchgod 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    The comments are so weird. BDS is not a radical group. It’s a consumer based solution, what could be more milk toast and liberal? How could finkelstein’s issues with them be a symptom of centrism or moderate-ness?

  • @Zatzzo
    @Zatzzo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Wow and there's only like 40 people there? I would have paid money to be there!

  • @JMG_86
    @JMG_86 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Is this a (slightly) more moderate, more pragmatic version of Finkelstein or was he always like this?

    • @BlackLabelSlushie
      @BlackLabelSlushie 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      J MG I think he has become significantly more moderate.

    • @snowballeffect7812
      @snowballeffect7812 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@BlackLabelSlushie I don't think he's changed at all. Notice how he specifically says how BDS is behaving NOW. His positions is that BDS is not nearly enough and people should not presume that BDS is the end all be all to Palestinian liberation.

    • @TucsonProgressive
      @TucsonProgressive 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No. He's calmed down a lot and opened his eyes

  • @nadileshem
    @nadileshem 7 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Radiohead is playing in Tel Aviv next month, and Intel bought MobilEye for 15 billion dollars. Doesn't look like the BDS is getting much success

    • @RachelDerGolem
      @RachelDerGolem 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Israel’s economy is about 80% of Iran’s, with 1/10th the population and NO OIL.

    • @SuperErikRoss
      @SuperErikRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      give it time my friend give it time It's better for everybody including most of all yous jews especially those who live in Palestine

    • @SuperErikRoss
      @SuperErikRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Slowly but surely you are losing no more old lady in the soopreme court no more moshi'ach in the present dental office And the #MovementIDontKnowHowManyOfYouHasGoneDownNowFromThat Weinstein,Epstein, ??????????

    • @SuperErikRoss
      @SuperErikRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      yup yer goin down

    • @francishallare204
      @francishallare204 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Erik Ross how's the klan rally going?

  • @mauricet2840
    @mauricet2840 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Time to ramp up BDS now

  • @edokoblenz9391
    @edokoblenz9391 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Respect to this man!!!

  • @manuvera8527
    @manuvera8527 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fios bendiga a Filkenstein...por siempre buscar la justicia para el
    pueblo Palestino denunciando a los criminales sionistas ocupantes

  • @margarita8416
    @margarita8416 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    refugees status is not a title to be passed from generation to generation. once we apply the same definition to all the people claiming to be a refugee, we can agree on the return conformations.

    • @retrain35yo87
      @retrain35yo87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      1948 the arabs kicked all jews out of their lands and stole their property, about 600,000 jews. There are no Jewish refugees. Meanwhile not 1 arab state takes in any palestinian refugees except the country they are supposed to rule, Jordan, which anyways is historically Israel. BDS is just a hate movement to destroy Israel, it has nothing to do with peace or helping refugees or the poor. The PLO leaders get rich off the war and pocket billions from UNRWA while arabs suffer under Hamas and tribalism. In short, when the arab nations have an ounce of respect for their own people and stop perpetuating war, there will be peace. So long as people call to destroy Israel, which is exactly what BDS calls for, there will be war.

    • @rosemichelon103
      @rosemichelon103 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@retrain35yo87 lies. Boycott Israel

    • @retrain35yo87
      @retrain35yo87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rosemichelon103 you boycott truth, because everything i said was fact.

    • @JohnDelVentomusic
      @JohnDelVentomusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hasbarbara spotted

    • @rosemichelon103
      @rosemichelon103 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@retrain35yo87 you are pro ethnic cleansing
      Monster

  • @truthseekers9244
    @truthseekers9244 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    BDS along with Palestinian resistance and non stop international pressure will make a difference. By the grace of God

  • @Adam-K4
    @Adam-K4 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I am deeply sorry to hear after all of that struggle, Norman calls himself an atheist. I cannot digest this.

    • @stevestop10
      @stevestop10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Why's that?? It's a perfectly rational position to hold.

    • @user-fu8bf1go4z
      @user-fu8bf1go4z 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@stevestop10it’s not😂

    • @spointz8936
      @spointz8936 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Surprised all of that struggle dsnt turn more Palestinians atheist. But then again, I guess the situation is so bad onr couldnt rlly deal with it all without religion...

    • @carlkamuti
      @carlkamuti 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@spointz8936 Still they must think why has God done us dirty like this? Us being his chosen people living in the holiest place on Earth?

  • @sykes758
    @sykes758 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They felt sorry for Gulag prisoners in Siberia, so they relocated them to a warm location. So now we have Gulag Gaza.

    • @retrain35yo87
      @retrain35yo87 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      This is nonsense. There isn't even a P sound in Arabic. The word Palestinian comes from the Hebrew, not Arabic and from the Torah no less. Find me one source otherwise! The root of Palestinian in Hebrew is Polesh, 'Invader'.الغازي in Arabic, and they were from Greece millenia before Mohammad.
      The contested region, from Gaza to the East bank of Jordan, was Judea and renamed Palestine by Roman emperor Hadrian after Tiberius destroyed and scattered the Jews from Judea. Jesus was a Jewish rabbi around that time, and his disciple 'Judas' is a testament to Judea, a common name in Judaism. Josephus Flavius wrote about it. Augustine wrote about it. All of history and genetic testing attests to the fact that Jews are from Judea, and that modern Jews are from historic Semetic people. Even the Koran attests that Israel is the people of the bible. So the 'Ashkenazi' story does not hold up not even a little. Ashkenazi Jews were exiled to Italy, then moved north to the German region, before being dispersed to Russia/Poland and Eastern Europe. Regardless, there were 600,000 Sephardic Jews who were in Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Yemen - throughout the middle east and northern Africa. There are Ethiopian Jews and other African Jews. The narrative is bubkis.

    • @af5000
      @af5000 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@retrain35yo87 none of what you said which could be true has anything to do with what Sykes said.

  • @saffy4352
    @saffy4352 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you dreaming! What are you watching.

  • @bobcondoulis4171
    @bobcondoulis4171 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would guess that he is sorry for his view on BDS back then. He should have realized that it's the only way for change. That the world would see israel as an aparteid state, and isolate it culturally. And then slowly would come change as in S A. (not that israel would suffer do much economically, because of US and western support)

  • @RachelDerGolem
    @RachelDerGolem 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Israel’s economy is about 80% of Iran’s, with 1/10th the population and NO OIL.

    • @nabeelmohammedca
      @nabeelmohammedca 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Israel is not facing any sanctions unlike Iran which is imposed financial and other sanctions by U.S.A. Israel receives a lot of money from U.S government each year.

    • @oklol7555
      @oklol7555 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Iran brought those sanctions on herself by constantly threatenning very powerfull countries with violence and terror , and by destabilising the entire middle east because of its own grandeur delusions. Iran will be tought a lesson.

    • @SuperErikRoss
      @SuperErikRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@oklol7555 I sincerely doubt they ask for any of this I think the instigators are obvious

    • @SuperErikRoss
      @SuperErikRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@oklol7555 Let me make it clear I don't think Iran asked for any of this And it's high time to stop portraying them as the evil villains that they are not.That worked with the Germans and the Nazi's a 100 years ago it's not gonna work anymore you gotta come up with a new story

    • @SuperErikRoss
      @SuperErikRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@oklol7555 either you're really simple like a child or you think everybody is simple like a child like you. Good and bad in real life are not so simple read a news paper from a 100 years ago perhaps it would help your perspective

  • @andrewwells6323
    @andrewwells6323 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why is this at a Philosophy Society? How is this philosophy?

  • @bobbyrios2400
    @bobbyrios2400 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Return to its borders???In 1967 there was no Palestinian state???It was part of Jordan!!

    • @punchgod
      @punchgod 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You really denying the right of return to people over the name of the territory?

  • @SuperErikRoss
    @SuperErikRoss 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    success takes time give it time bound to have some fails along the way no reason to give up all the more reason to keep trying have a nice day and remember B.D.S. israel !!!!! 😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚😚

    • @partydave1067
      @partydave1067 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The question is not wether or not BDS will successed which by the way won't happened....
      The question is wether or not BDS help Palestinians?
      Spoiler alert no...
      The BDS doesn't ban Israeli products, wether or not it will be banned Israel will be successful they have protects that the world, including the BDS will never be able to give up, if you want to give up on Israelis products, how about you ban your smartphone and computers?
      No, the products BDS is banning is affecting the Palestinians econmics to the worse forcing Palestinians in the west bank to severe poverty and jobless....
      Also, how about helping the Palestinians that are being slaygrhered by Syria or Iran?
      Two countries that seems to be the leaderships of the BDS?
      But wait Israel is helping those Palestinians, ohhh.... guess they aren't "good" Palestinians....
      The BDS doesn't give a shit about Palestinians they only care for themselves, money and destroying Israel

    • @SuperErikRoss
      @SuperErikRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@partydave1067 ahh nice try the question is are you a mossad troll or not ?????????????

    • @SuperErikRoss
      @SuperErikRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just like Obama said , and i quote " The Arc of Justice is Long but Sure Super Jew Henry Kissinger even said , and again i quote, " Isreal Cannot Last another 20 Years " that was about 20 years ago so .....................????????

    • @SuperErikRoss
      @SuperErikRoss 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@partydave1067 and if B.D.S. doesnt work , because i think we should , and again i quote, "GIVE PEACE A CHANCE" , Then you better learn Arabic because then ???? " ALMASIMIR ALKHADIMA ALHNAYIYAT" Again THATS A QUOTE LOOK IT UP TROLL

    • @partydave1067
      @partydave1067 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SuperErikRoss Believe as you wish, the truth isn't based on popularity....
      No matter how much you chant or how many there are who do chant, the truth cannot be changed:
      Much like 99% of humanity used to believe the earth is flat, and now it's proven to be round, the same goes in this conflict....
      I know the truth and I massage it, that is all there is to it....
      You want to ban Israeli products fine, ban your smartphone and PC....
      You want to selectively ban Israeli products then congrats you increase the poverty within the Palestinian populotion making more and more of them losing their jobs....
      If you want to help Palestinians how about those in Syria or Iran?
      Heck Hamas is slaugthering the Palwstinians more then Israelis....
      The 4000 Palestinians?
      They were human shield....
      How about the thousents of Israeli (not neccesserly Jews) that Hamas have killed or aimed to kill?
      You want to help Palestinians? How about you move into Gaza and be slaugthered by Hamas, use yourself as shield instead of Palestinians....
      Or how about joining the IDF.
      they actually saved more Palestinians then any country in the middle east....

  • @dingdingdingding2871
    @dingdingdingding2871 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    #BDS

  • @Gog3453
    @Gog3453 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your getting soft Finky

  • @thomaspenoyer9711
    @thomaspenoyer9711 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    A complete and utter waste of time. He does not want to be held accountable to God or, any world courts of authority for better living. The outcome of that thinking had harmed lives on Earth through the past seventy years.

  • @MRrZero
    @MRrZero 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Norman was always an undercover agent

    • @YallaMiami
      @YallaMiami ปีที่แล้ว

      I knew it! He worked with the 9/11 truthers