I honestly can’t wait for future 5-Stars that uses DoT for DPS. Kafka’s strength will only go stronger with stronger DoT characters get added. Like rn, her only viable DoT partners are 4-stars.
@@coltzhao I don't think Black Swan is DOT character though. She is there to enable other characters with DOT, not do a lot of damage herself. At least based on her skills and traces.
Really great video! It answered a bunch of questions I've had about DOT interactions for a while now. Definitely gonna be sharing this around with my friends who are pulling for Kafka too
I have E1 Gepard so im super excited to try running Kafka/Sampo/Luka/Gepard. Gepard will be using his skill to trigger dots more since freeze wastes 1 enemy turn and then advance their next turn forward. Dot characters in general don't spam their skill so hopefully the skill point consumption works out.
I've been wondering for a LONG time if def-down affects the DoT damage because I use pela in my serval/sampo team quite often but never really bothered to test so this was really interesting!! Great video!
10:16 "DoT like March's freeze" the only proper DoTs in the game currently are Burn, Bleed, Shock and Wind shear. The effects of Quantum, Imaginary and Ice don't count as DoTs
Great guide! Was going crazy trying to find info on if elemental damage boosted dot damage. Unfortunately, I think Gepard might be the best teammate for a team of three dot dealers. I can Nat being good, but I can't say I'm very comfortable with only Nat or Fire mc as the sole defensive member. Maybe I'm just a wuss and am too used to comfy sim universe runs with two defensive members.
For light cones you should also check non nihility light cones. Breakfast and the Herta destruction LC both have conditional DMG boosts and can be equipped to characters like Himeko or Hook that apply DoT.
Can you also do a test on Welt's passive that increases dmg dealt by team? I think having Welt in the team will also helps in maintaining dmg and also survivability by slowing enemies down, we can stack more dots with his kit too! Having 2 dot charas plus welt and a healer/shielder should be great.
This is pure speculation but i do believe we will be getting the last eidelon for fire mc in 1.2. If that really is the case then fire mc will be exponentially better as a solo defense char, and you can run her with market.
Kafka now it's like getting the hammer while only having bronze nails, i won't spend resources in 4* characters to make a DOT team. I don't want to waste in characters that'll be benched as soon as a better 5* comes out.
I was thinking the same but aoe hits can still probably screw that up since you will have no way to heal but in simulated universe it might work with nihility path will work
I have E6 (Would be E8 if it were possible) Serval because this game hates me so now atleast when getting Kafka I'll have a chance to use it. Not putting my silver wolf on the team though as hopefully is Dan Heng Inhibitor comes home I can put her on that team
Hi @EODGamer, can you pls comment on the usefulness of DoT teams in MOC? If all the DoT will only take damage upon the beginning of the monster’s turn, does it mean it is more difficult for DoT to clutch and secure victory in 6 turns (for eg). I assume the next turn will usually trigger when it is the monster’s turn.
very useful video but ive been wondering about the chemistry between kafka and serval , some people said that they can not work well together cause their same lightning dot dmg will reset eachother.
Same buff/debuff or DoT can coexist as long as theyre from different source unless stated otherwise Edit: and im not sure why serval wont synergize well with kafka because she can extend both of her DoT and kafka's with her ult
@@Mjo9801 We'll see if thats the case because her ult description only said, "when ult hits, extend shock status by 2 more turns." So it save to assume that she can extend all kind of shock DoT. IIRC it even works with DoT from nihility's path skill in SU
Kafka, pre-nerf (CBT2), didn't have means to extend her DoT. They changed that to what we currently have but now where she can extend Shock on skill and ult, but she lost a lot of damage multipliers to compensate. Bringing Serval means you're wasting a party slot for a DoT Kafka can already sustain/maintain, Sampo on the other hand will bring Wind Shear so Kafka can reproc two different DoT's while also boosting DoT damage. Even Luka's Bleed will be better than Serval since Bleed is fixed %HP. This whats is currently on the 1.2 test servers, this could change or get buffed like Silver Wolf on release but as of right now you really need Sampo/Luka for her to work.
But the break effect does not count to the other DoT apart from ones caused when breaking, right? One calculation comparison I wanna see is if Sampo would do more damage with a DPS normal build or just an ATK dot-bot, could you please? 🙏🏼😭
musketeer is better with atk for hit scaling and also speed. remember break effect dont increase his kit DoT dmg, only the DoT of the sheild break effect. i hope they buff it to include all DoT insted
I do think Kafka might last longer than Blade in future meta. Because she speeds up DoT. So whoever unit that has crazy DoT in the future can become stronger with Kafka. But idk tho. Just an assumption. I'm noob anyway.
In theory yeah since she isn't a pure dmg dealer but a driver for DoT focus units, anytime a new good DoT unit is added Kafka will help it tremendously... So as long as DoT teams are viable you'll most likely always want to have Kafka driving the team... However if the payoff for the DoT team is mediocre the whole playstyle along with Kafka could just get swept under the rug while the more conventional dps units that are either sub dps or hypercarries units like Blade, Dang hung IL etc will still have better longevity than Kafka in the meta.
i think effect hit rate should've been mentioned here as well! it might not always be relevant but still good to know especially against those high effect res enemies and for chars like sampo who have a low base hit rate. nevertheless great guide! the various tests were very informative
Yeah although ironically, Sampo is one of the units people mistakenly want to give LOTS of EHR when he is the debuffer that doesn't need as much EHR as others for a few reasons. - Wind shear status lasts for 3 turns base/4turns with A2 and duration for ALL stacks is refreshed whenever you apply wind shear even once. What it means is that once you get full stacks, it's near impossible to not keep said stacks going. - His low base hit rate is compensated by how wind shear talent is hit-based on a multi-hitting char. normal hits 3 times, skill 5 times (6 with E1) and Ult 5 times. If you take both of these into account, you'll realize that Sampo can still stack wind shear reliably within 2 turns even with 40% EHR, or even a bit less, even against high RES enemies. And even if it does, in his case EHR isn't so much about the difference between buff/no debuff, but how many turns you need to fully stack up, which only matters in MoC pretty much. It also means that hitting one or two stacks less sometimes isn't nearly as much of an overall damage loss. If anything, Kafka and Luka, despite their 100% base chance, might actually need to run more EHR than he needs.
@@zmkatsu4885 on nice to know he can make the whole team survive And it’s not a skill issue more like I haven’t farmed any relics since the game began and I’m lvl 59
I'm don't want Kafka but this video helpe me anyway, i will try something crazy like Fire MC with Serval and Sampo in a DOT team, Fire MC with the "Trend of the Universal Market" LC and Serval and Sampo with their builds, it will probably be bad but i want to try it for fun lmao.
Thanks for that now I'll rather use my superimposed 5 of that lightcone instead of pulling for her lightcone since her 5* lightcone was nerfed (Talking about Kafka btw)
Im considering in pulling kafka as a support for crit serval but im not sure how well itd work Has anyone done theory of serval as the star and kafka supporting?
The only thing that matters for me is building the stellaron hunter team (Kafka, blade, silver wolf) i already have silver wolf so I’m pulling for both Kafka and blade
kafka is coming and so am i.
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I honestly can’t wait for future 5-Stars that uses DoT for DPS. Kafka’s strength will only go stronger with stronger DoT characters get added. Like rn, her only viable DoT partners are 4-stars.
Black Swan is 5 star wind DOT, and Guinaifen 4 star fire DOT are coming.
@@jamess359prob 1.6+
@@coltzhao I don't think Black Swan is DOT character though. She is there to enable other characters with DOT, not do a lot of damage herself. At least based on her skills and traces.
Quantum breake is dot dmg too
Really great video! It answered a bunch of questions I've had about DOT interactions for a while now. Definitely gonna be sharing this around with my friends who are pulling for Kafka too
I have E1 Gepard so im super excited to try running Kafka/Sampo/Luka/Gepard. Gepard will be using his skill to trigger dots more since freeze wastes 1 enemy turn and then advance their next turn forward. Dot characters in general don't spam their skill so hopefully the skill point consumption works out.
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Actually yeah that makes sense but now i gotta grind luka stuff
I've been wondering for a LONG time if def-down affects the DoT damage because I use pela in my serval/sampo team quite often but never really bothered to test so this was really interesting!! Great video!
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Very helpful video and straight to the point. Great content dude, keep it up!
10:16 "DoT like March's freeze" the only proper DoTs in the game currently are Burn, Bleed, Shock and Wind shear. The effects of Quantum, Imaginary and Ice don't count as DoTs
Thanks man, such a good content👍
Great guide! Was going crazy trying to find info on if elemental damage boosted dot damage. Unfortunately, I think Gepard might be the best teammate for a team of three dot dealers. I can Nat being good, but I can't say I'm very comfortable with only Nat or Fire mc as the sole defensive member. Maybe I'm just a wuss and am too used to comfy sim universe runs with two defensive members.
For light cones you should also check non nihility light cones. Breakfast and the Herta destruction LC both have conditional DMG boosts and can be equipped to characters like Himeko or Hook that apply DoT.
Can you also do a test on Welt's passive that increases dmg dealt by team? I think having Welt in the team will also helps in maintaining dmg and also survivability by slowing enemies down, we can stack more dots with his kit too! Having 2 dot charas plus welt and a healer/shielder should be great.
By slowing enemies, means they take less damage from DOT it’s not synergetic
@@EODGamerSG but don't we have Kafka to trigger DoTs? 🤔, she can trigger it earlier if she's faster than the enemies
@@mueru3826 her ult trigger 90-100% dot instantly + dont remove it
@@EODGamerSG stacking spd also slow enemies tbh effect is the same
This is pure speculation but i do believe we will be getting the last eidelon for fire mc in 1.2. If that really is the case then fire mc will be exponentially better as a solo defense char, and you can run her with market.
The eidolon isn't that broken
The team im planning on running is Kafka, Sampo, Healer and Fire MC/M7/Tank with Burn LC
Kafka now it's like getting the hammer while only having bronze nails, i won't spend resources in 4* characters to make a DOT team. I don't want to waste in characters that'll be benched as soon as a better 5* comes out.
That "soon" is like several months away tho, might as well wait for her rerun then
You'd be surprised to see that there will be better dot dmg dealer/supporter. Like Black Swan and more to come
@@xahxyy1551 The other guy's point still remains. That's months from now.
I feel Clara or destruction characters that can pull aggro can be the last slot for a hyper aggressive team.
I was thinking the same but aoe hits can still probably screw that up since you will have no way to heal but in simulated universe it might work with nihility path will work
I have E6 (Would be E8 if it were possible) Serval because this game hates me so now atleast when getting Kafka I'll have a chance to use it. Not putting my silver wolf on the team though as hopefully is Dan Heng Inhibitor comes home I can put her on that team
Another good synergy with Gepard is that freeze makes enemies take another bout of DoT damage
what do you mean? its like 2 turn enemay got DOT from their turn?
@@klyste4046 i see.. thanks
Hi, doé dot dmg reduced ưhen enemies dont have the weakness element of the attacker
Hi @EODGamer, can you pls comment on the usefulness of DoT teams in MOC?
If all the DoT will only take damage upon the beginning of the monster’s turn, does it mean it is more difficult for DoT to clutch and secure victory in 6 turns (for eg). I assume the next turn will usually trigger when it is the monster’s turn.
Somehow got welt's lc on std. Wonder if it's a good sign lmao
how much or how little does break effect, effect dots dmg?
Why wasn't the plannar 2 set that gives ehr and atk% wasn't mentioned? Is it worse than I thought?
It will depend on how much EHR the character needs, I would assume
Kafka Bronya synergy to proc the DoT multiple times?
inb4 they buff break effect to also increase dmg to character kit DoT like what they did to EM / Geo buff
very useful video but ive been wondering about the chemistry between kafka and serval , some people said that they can not work well together cause their same lightning dot dmg will reset eachother.
Same buff/debuff or DoT can coexist as long as theyre from different source unless stated otherwise
Edit: and im not sure why serval wont synergize well with kafka because she can extend both of her DoT and kafka's with her ult
@@pinkinglily6447 really ? t thought serval can only extend her own dot
@@Mjo9801 We'll see if thats the case because her ult description only said, "when ult hits, extend shock status by 2 more turns." So it save to assume that she can extend all kind of shock DoT. IIRC it even works with DoT from nihility's path skill in SU
@@pinkinglily6447 oh fk i forgot about that, i will test it right away
Kafka, pre-nerf (CBT2), didn't have means to extend her DoT. They changed that to what we currently have but now where she can extend Shock on skill and ult, but she lost a lot of damage multipliers to compensate.
Bringing Serval means you're wasting a party slot for a DoT Kafka can already sustain/maintain, Sampo on the other hand will bring Wind Shear so Kafka can reproc two different DoT's while also boosting DoT damage. Even Luka's Bleed will be better than Serval since Bleed is fixed %HP.
This whats is currently on the 1.2 test servers, this could change or get buffed like Silver Wolf on release but as of right now you really need Sampo/Luka for her to work.
Should we use spd boots or atk boots for dot characters?
Guys, anyone here, I just wanna ask, will Kafka, Himeko, Natasha and Gepard Work?
can i use tingyun with kafka and sampo team? i guess all tingyun's buffs boost dot dmg
My lvl 70 Sampo who now has 3400 attack in preparation for Kafka..
But the break effect does not count to the other DoT apart from ones caused when breaking, right? One calculation comparison I wanna see is if Sampo would do more damage with a DPS normal build or just an ATK dot-bot, could you please? 🙏🏼😭
I need that testing for welt lightcone
Anyone know if quantum weakness break counts as DoT-type damage?
Is the thief's set good, but not the best for Sampo?
musketeer is better with atk for hit scaling and also speed. remember break effect dont increase his kit DoT dmg, only the DoT of the sheild break effect. i hope they buff it to include all DoT insted
I do think Kafka might last longer than Blade in future meta. Because she speeds up DoT. So whoever unit that has crazy DoT in the future can become stronger with Kafka. But idk tho. Just an assumption. I'm noob anyway.
In theory yeah since she isn't a pure dmg dealer but a driver for DoT focus units, anytime a new good DoT unit is added Kafka will help it tremendously... So as long as DoT teams are viable you'll most likely always want to have Kafka driving the team... However if the payoff for the DoT team is mediocre the whole playstyle along with Kafka could just get swept under the rug while the more conventional dps units that are either sub dps or hypercarries units like Blade, Dang hung IL etc will still have better longevity than Kafka in the meta.
kafka would definitely last longer than blade 😏
i don't have Gep i might put Fire MC for def
i think effect hit rate should've been mentioned here as well! it might not always be relevant but still good to know especially against those high effect res enemies and for chars like sampo who have a low base hit rate. nevertheless great guide! the various tests were very informative
Yeah although ironically, Sampo is one of the units people mistakenly want to give LOTS of EHR when he is the debuffer that doesn't need as much EHR as others for a few reasons.
- Wind shear status lasts for 3 turns base/4turns with A2 and duration for ALL stacks is refreshed whenever you apply wind shear even once. What it means is that once you get full stacks, it's near impossible to not keep said stacks going.
- His low base hit rate is compensated by how wind shear talent is hit-based on a multi-hitting char. normal hits 3 times, skill 5 times (6 with E1) and Ult 5 times.
If you take both of these into account, you'll realize that Sampo can still stack wind shear reliably within 2 turns even with 40% EHR, or even a bit less, even against high RES enemies. And even if it does, in his case EHR isn't so much about the difference between buff/no debuff, but how many turns you need to fully stack up, which only matters in MoC pretty much. It also means that hitting one or two stacks less sometimes isn't nearly as much of an overall damage loss.
If anything, Kafka and Luka, despite their 100% base chance, might actually need to run more EHR than he needs.
@@Zephyrion22 yeah! makes sense that sampo doesn't need much but kafka may need even less, while other chars would need more
hi hi how do you have so many characters at level 71
Have you tried frozen on dot team? Is it count as dot or not?
Frozen is not a DoT, it's CC. Unfortunately the only DoTs in-game are: Wind Sheer, Burn, Bleed, and Shock
Do dots snapshot like in genshin
I really need a copy of GNSW man. But I've already wasted 10 pulls on the lightcone banner without success so i cant risk it anymore.
Test the 5 star lightcone please. I almost have enough to buy it from the store and I want to know if it is worth it in Kafka.
@@jamess359 yeah. I was talking about Welt's light cone.
I like Kafka but I don’t like dot😭
I want to use trailblazer and bailu but Kafka can’t have both of them
@@zmkatsu4885 but bro said that him alone can’t make the team survive
bro howd u get skill issue when u just need to press 2 buttons to attack 💀 and i think he was talking about TB fire in MoC
@@zmkatsu4885 on nice to know he can make the whole team survive
And it’s not a skill issue more like I haven’t farmed any relics since the game began and I’m lvl 59
@@frostzy8570 but his shield are so thin how can he carry the team alone without a healer??
@@bazah23 yeah i was agreeing with u that he cant solo sustain in MoC
I'm don't want Kafka but this video helpe me anyway, i will try something crazy like Fire MC with Serval and Sampo in a DOT team, Fire MC with the "Trend of the Universal Market" LC and Serval and Sampo with their builds, it will probably be bad but i want to try it for fun lmao.
Kafka's coming I'm gonna get adopted ☺️☺️
Is dot considered as a debuff or not?
Its a debuff
@@mtr3258so it can trigger the dmg bonus of good night sleep well
Thanks for that now I'll rather use my superimposed 5 of that lightcone instead of pulling for her lightcone since her 5* lightcone was nerfed
(Talking about Kafka btw)
Her dmg over time is more dmg in your face at one time, multiple times.
Im considering in pulling kafka as a support for crit serval but im not sure how well itd work
Has anyone done theory of serval as the star and kafka supporting?
I'm saving my stellar jade's so I can star RAIL kafka
The only thing that matters for me is building the stellaron hunter team (Kafka, blade, silver wolf) i already have silver wolf so I’m pulling for both Kafka and blade
I need dps. Idk kafka is going to solve it
if u struggle to have 2nd team for MoC kafka dot team is worth it. and dot dont care about sheild break
Finally, kafka milk chemistry guide 🧪🧪😀😀🍼🍼🍼