Werewolves, Atlantis, & World Ice Theory: Occultism in the Weimar Republic & Third Reich
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- During the Late Nineteenth and Early Twentieth centuries, occultism, folklore, and new age religious movements abounded in Western Europe and the United States. Some of those ideas found their ways into the German völkisch movement of the 19th century, and from there, impacted by the horrors of WWI, into extremist politics
SOURCES:
Hitler's Monster, Kurlander
Volkisch Esoteric and Volkisch Religius Movements, Kurlander
The Coming of the Third Reich, Evans
Hitler, vol. 1, Kershaw
The Occult Roots of Nzsm, Goodrick-Clarke,
"World Ice Theory"
...we're going DEEP into the murky depths on this one
It’s very interesting you mention Theosophy here. My grandmother was a German speaking Jew from Czechoslovakia born in 1931 who survived the Holocaust and came to the US in 1947, and she was a dedicated theosophist all her life...I heard a lot about Atlantis, Tibet and seances during my childhood, sometimes she would wear a Sari and a Bindi and she had Buddha idols all over the house, she refused to move after the Earthquake in 1994 (I was 2, this is according to my dad) because apparently her street had the best vibrational frequency in the entire San Fernando Valley ...never associated it with Nazism just Old World eccentricity.
Oh wow, very interesting! That must’ve been an experience. Yeah the association is definitely and odd one, not to say that all theosophists joined that movement of course, it’s more like all of that stuff was just coexisting in the same sphere. Fascist movements in the interwar era were ideological scavengers-they took bits and pieces based on what they thought would be useful
@@TheFallofRome Yeah, if there were any sort of political associations with that whole movement I would’ve thought that it would’ve been broadly liberal. She was an old fashioned liberal, she didn’t trust “the man” and saw the government as basically a conspiracy to oppress humanity, though I don’t know how much of that came from theosophy and how much came from the California milieu that she lived in. She definitely loved German culture and literature, when I was in high school she gave me books of Heine’s poetry, Goethe’s Werther, Mann’s Der Zauberberg, Hesse’s Steppenwolf and Siddhartha etc and her idea was that the Nazis were basically an aberration or barbarians invading das Land der Dichter und Denker. She was a strange lady with her own ideas, totally different from my grandpa (who was also a German speaker from Vienna and a Holocaust survivor) who was a much more typical Conservative Jew, but one thing I will say is that it’s because of her that my parents sent me to a Steiner Waldorf school l, which are based on Anthroposophy, and that was a great experience and gave me an incomparable education.
She died New Years Day 2020 and I miss her a lot, I regret not having asked her more about her life and I think that she would’ve been a great resource for historians, since she lived through so many different important events....my aunt has her diaries which I know that she kept for at least 60 years and probably longer, I’m going to try and get ahold of them.
Theosophy is heavily antisemitic. How does that even work.
@@DonHavjuan early theosophists were mesmerist cranks. Regardie and Steiner, who split off from them had very interesting ideas.
@@TheFallofRometheosophy and aryan race theory are inseperably connected tbh.
The "aircraft" of ancient India were siege towers, people have misinterpreted the drawings of them and mistaken the rack and pinion gear system that people inside it turned to propel them towards city/fort walls as *helicopter blades*
Awesome! Hope this channel continues to grow!!!!
Nice encapsulation of a lot of stuff. Good one.
Great talk. End the Kali Yuga.
Around minute 5, you mention Kurlander's effort to take Nazi occultism seriously. That is, I think, consistent with academic historians' increasing interest in occult beliefs as part of history. Till recent decades, anything but the tussle between major religions was mostly treated as a novelty, beneath the interest of serious academics. (Thanks, Crowley.) Times are a changin'.
What a great channel!
Thank you!
Finally finally a good video about this topic regarding German culture German Empire Nazis and nineteenth century, from German perspective it's not from biased Anglo-Saxon understanding.
Great work congratulations
The belief that Germans had a natural resistance to the cold didn't play out well in Russia
Yeah... Turns out it's the Slavs that have that +2 resistance. 😂
@@FernandoMendoza-dw8nz The Slavs saw the Germans as heroes that were saving them from communism. Guess you've never been to Eastern Europe?
Australian here of English Immigrant descent in the early-mid 19th century... I was verbally raised with the violent Boy Who Cried Wolf. Never occurred to me there was a happy ending out there. A happy ending seems to defeat the moral of the story to my scarred ears.
I have only come across a “happy ending” for that tale once. And basically the wolves are driven away but the kid is traumatized. Not exactly a happy ending but at least he’s alive
This explains a lot about people who have Thule stickers on their cars.
Cool
World ice theory is basically a “scientistic” retelling of Germanic mythology. In the Eddas there are two primordial realms on the world tree which is the universe: the home of mist and home of fire. The mist runs from a river off the misthome into space and freezes into ice. This ice begins to bunch together and with the energy of the home of fire Ymir, one of the first beings, is born as well as the primordial cow. Many generations of beings are born from the asexual reproduction of Ymir who is essentially heaven and earth in one being. Eventually one of the descendants Odin in his primordial form as a tripartite god and who is the the divine intellect and craftsman of the world cleaves masculine heaven and feminine earth apart when he sacrifices Ymir to create the world. Mountains from his bones, trees from his hair, ocean from his blood, sky from his skull and so on(all these body parts being from the pieces of a FROST giant).
Reading Kurlander's (quite comprehensive and dispassionate) book right now.
Please note, and this has been studied a lot in Germany, teh Grimm versions of the "german" fairy tales, had very little to do with traditional stories even as they were told in those days among the majority of people. Instead the cherry picked and rewrote stories to fit into their "modern" sensibilities. Those stories of which we have written evidence that is older than the Grimm versions are very different, much more different than our stories of today compared to the Grimm versions.
The Grimms never had the intention of documenting German culture, but rather to create one. (Historian myself and this is something I studied quite a bit for various reasons)
Also would love you making a video on Theosphy. Many Indian mystics even OSHO remained v heavily influenced by it.
Been watching your history of fascism, comments off, absolutely brilliant, very thoughtful, well done. Thanks.
Comments off lol. He should also upload a video on irony.
I have Prussian ancestors from the time of Napoleon. He was a soldier in the Prussian army that defeated Napoleon at Waterloo. He was given a position in British Guiana where he went in 1817. I would like to know why he was sent there and remained there for the rest of his life. I would like to know why he did not return to Germany.
Very good video. I feel theosphy & it’s theories as well as Vedanta had a huge influence on Nazi occult philosophy.
This went by pretty quickly while I was playing Minecraft. Some really wacky stuff mentioned in here.
Not sure how much of this stuff should've been part of Wolfenstein.
Yeah it’s bizarre
I would never watch a video with this kind of title, if it were from any other channel. I know I can count on you for sober, nuanced scholarship, with no nonsense on the side, however.
I really enjoyed this episode. I am very interested in the connections of the occult, philosophy and fascism.
What are your thoughts on my attempt at an "intellectual sketch" of the Sonderweg? Rather than anything intrinsic to Germany, it being a combination of historical trends.
A Greco-Roman Solution to the Sonderweg Problem
The root of the Sonderweg or “special path” of Germany in the 20th Century, in my view, can be discovered through a broad-range historical analysis stemming from Greco-Roman heritage. It is the deep presence of the package of Roman law, Greek philosophy and Hebrew religion-in short, “Rome, Athens and Jerusalem”-for over 1500 years in Britain, France, the Low Countries, Spain and Portugal, and the legacy of Roman state administration over a unified provincial realm, that distinguishes these countries from Germany. Indeed, Germany historically was much more similar to the rest of the “Great East”, i.e. Poland, Russia, Hungary, etc until the Rise of Prussia under Frederick the Great. The combined absence of these two factors led Germany to its Sonderweg.
Both factors ultimately from the lack of any deep-historic Roman presence in *Germania*, largely due to the defeat at the Battle of Teutoborg Forest, that great frontier which naturally guards everything east of the Rhine from Rome-Athens-*Jersualem*. (Is it any coincidence that the Forest in Germany occupies a prominent place in the foreground of the German imaginary of romantic idealism of the 19th Century?) The formative period in this context is the Post-Roman Period, from roughly 400 to 900 AD, where the collapsed Roman administration was replaced by nomadic Germanic Barbarians. However, the trappings of Roman institution were not entirely destroyed in Britain, France or Hispania-for example, much of the Roman legal code survived intact in Gaul under the Salian Franks in the Merovingian Period. Greek philosophy and Judeo-Christian religion was lost, but came back via Muslim Hispania, the Byzantine Empire and the trade connections of the Italian city states-the latter themselves emerging due to the relative lack of power of the Holy Roman Emperor as King of Italy especially after the Investiture Controversy. Roman administration remained solid in Western Europe, as the provincial governments were re-designed under independent “Barbarian” Kingdoms. Charlemagne himself has been noted for pursuing a policy of autonomy or home rule, whereby the local cultures of each region was strengthened by a tripartite Roman-Frankish-local administration. But the lack of any Roman administration east of the Rhine meant that when the Frankish Empire under Charlemagne extended east, they had to restructure from scratch any mode of civilization out of the various East Germanic tribes. This led to the rapid rise of local fractured identities of various tribes that was sustained until the end of the Wars of Religion in the 17th Century and the gradual collapse of centralized authority in what became the Holy Roman Epmire. By contrast, during this time, there was a broad, millennium-long transfer of power back from the local to the central, whether it be London, Paris, Brussels or Toledo. Once again, no such long-term centralization occurred in Germany.
Much of the national identity formation of England and France, indeed, emerged through war, especially on the one hand via the Norman Conquest of England and the English Angevin Empire in France. (The TH-camr Thersites the Historian gives good background on these long-range trends taking place.) Finally, Greco-Roman culture, and in particular Greek philosophy, was the basis of the Renaissance and then Enlightenment out of which were derived the modern concepts of liberalism, democracy and the market.
Indeed it was the ambiguous status of the Holy Roman Empire which largely shaped German history and carved it out from the rest of Western-Central Europe. The lack of any central identity in Germany meant that just as Charlemagne had to construct a neo-Roman administration there from scratch, any later growth of a national identity in Germany-under Frederick the Great, in resistance to Napoleon, in 1848, or under Bismarck-would have to be accelerated and hence, naturally more militaristic than the long-range civic national identity of England and France which took 10x as long. Thus the establishment by 1871 of a unified German state, centuries after England and France were unified and centralized, made Germany naturally more open to what has been termed “Prussian militarism”. Prussia was an army with a state, because the state that they were trying to construct from scratch was the Germany which Charlemagne had unsuccessfully attempted to govern.
We have sketched out the formation of the Roman legal governance system and Germany’s lack thereof from ancient times to the 19th Century, but what of its philosophy and religion? We may consider the tradition of Germanic philosophy to be one in which the Roman, Greek and Jewish element was largely absent, not due to a conscious rejection of it, but due to again the lack of this presence from ancient times east of the Rhine. In fact, I would suggest that there is little substance of any “Germanic philosophy” that emerges beyond the anti-Jewish struggle of Luther and Calvin, until the 19th Century when new connections and ideas were taking shape.
Probably the biggest influence in later Germanic philosophy, in contrast with what can be called Anglo-Latin rational-liberalism (something like Analytic vs. Continental philosophy, though not quite), is the British conquest of India and the opening up of the East to Western colonialism. For example, beginning with Descartes, Newton, Diderot and Montesquieu, and culminating in individuals like Locke, the Anglo-Latin imaginary based the world on eternal Reason, based on empiricism, taxonomy, measurement and rationality. Descartes deconstructed the world, and Newton reconfigured it in the image of a God as a rational Watchmaker, ordering the world according to fixed Laws, much like the human world was ordered according to natural Law. In a Judeo-Christian conception, this was analogous to the Logos or Son of God; in the secular religion of the French Revolution, it was just Reason Herself, who was yet subject to a Cult.
A different path was taken in Germanic philosophy. In the early 1800s anthropological and linguistic discoveries by European scholars, primarily English and German, led many intellectuals to reconsider ancient long-range connections between Europe, Persia and India dating from the Indo-European or Aryan times. Given that Anglo-Latin rational-liberalism was seen at the time to be giving way to liberal democratic capitalism and the alienation of the modern industrial world, many philosophers of the Germanic tradition beginning with Hegel and Schaupenhauer began to look to the “spiritual East” to an alternative to the “materialist West”. Thus a great interest in Eastern philosophy and religion grew as an alternative to Greco-Roman tradition as a solution for the problems of Germany. With Eastern spirituality and the rejection of Rome-Athens-Jerusalem came a returned sympathy to Gnosticism, in Hegel again, as well as in his successor Marx. Connections were made between “Aryan” Gnosticism, Shinto, Hinduism, Buddhism, Zoroastrianism, and certain aspects of Greek philosophy on the one hand, and Judeo-Roman Christianity on the other, especially beginning with Nietzsche’s distinction of master and slave morality. While Anglo-Latin rational-liberalism orientalized the East, the orientalized East then re-orientalized Germanic philosophy to become Indo-Germanic spiritualism. This was manifested in traditions such as Theosophy and later Ariosophy; Ariosophy regarded Atlantis to be the home of the Ancient Aryan super-race that had built the great Indo-European civilizations.
It took the Volkisch movement under List and Ekhart, among others, to reconstruct a para-Christian Indo-Germanic spiritualism alternative to Christianity which rejected liberalism, capitalism and modernism (including Marxism). The Volkischists were the culmination of the synthesis of Prussian militarism with Indo-Germanic spiritualism. Symbolic of the problem of modernity was the pollution of the Germanic Forest-that great frontier which defended against the Romans-by industry, and at the root of the ideologies which made this possible, to the Volkisch movement, were Rome, Athens, and *Jerusalem*. The synthesis of Prussian militarism with the spiritualism of the Indo-Germanic imaginary lends naturally to an affinity with militant Islam despite the latter’s Semitic origins, due to militant Islam’s rejection of the Judaic and Roman element of classical Islam, and its Gnostic dream of liberation from the corrupt material world to the spiritual world through self-sacrificing violence.
Fascism and National Socialism are different yet in a way similar
There is also the Napoleon invasions which made Germans create/ look for a old glorified past. A Volk to rally around.
There's something about how German Mystics had the absolute nerve to blatantly usurp something very ancient and pretty much bastardized Atlantis. One word sums it up Blasphemy.
Very informative video, especcially for someone who is not familiar with the subject, well done! To anybody that might knows, I always wondered, what did the nazis believe will happen to the Jews after their death? Would they incarnate or be punished to hell?
i cant believe they thought this was true these guys had their heads in the clouds
Yeah it uh…it gets pretty weird, pretty quickly
And yet almost all of America's tech advancements comes from these weird German guys the government captured after the war. 🤔
In medieval Livonia there was werewolf trials. Even today in Baltic mythology You can find stories about wolfs, werewolfs, dogsnouts etc. Each has their distinctive role, some roles was mixed to. Some was perceived as defenders of people's and Gods world, most of them "demonized" under Christianity. Importance of nature... and healthy living is still of great importance to people of Baltic. So considering history, culture and current situation, in Baltic persons can still experience true Europen spirit, wich is modern and jet grounded in rich history and culture of uninterrupted, ancient cultures.
Wow. Source: It was revealed to me in a dream
Literally almost all bullshit cult movements.
thanks for this video! really interesting explanation of this movement and its relation with the zeitgeist of the fin de siecle. there's probably stuff that can be said about this through a postcolonial reading (i.e. said's orientalism on western knowledge seeking to 'uncover' and 'master' the world) but contextualizing it with the wacky stuff going on in germany is something new to me.
You’re welcome!
11:55 What about 'The Little Mermaid'? Not the Disney version. I liked the German version: It was so moving, even though I do appreciate the 80s Disney version as well. At least it was done plausibly, not tacky. In ROK, those German folk tales were popular, and yes, all original German edition, none of which were 'Hollywoodized'.
13:16 Is 'The White Wolf of the Hartz Mountains' one of those? What's your favorite? I love a good werewolf story.
13:57 Actually, 'The Thousand Nights', in a way, was far more ruthless, but at the same, real. In one of the tales, Sinbad survives by stealing food and water from both incapacitated men and women, all widows, condemning them to death basically by dehydration and starvation, and that's just Korean version!
In original, Sinbad actually kills these widowed men and women, by bashing them over their heads with a big, old rock, and stealing their food and water!
18:35 Again, ironic. That 'Back to the Nature' movement is in full swing in ROK today as well.
There is somewhat similar movement going on in ROK today, Hongik Ingan.
It sounds noble, and innocuous enough, but could have a sinister undertone.
11:55 The Little Mermaid technically is Danish, but it would still under a general category of Central European/Germanic folklore & mythology
13:16 The White Wolf of Hartz Mountain would absolutely be considered one of these. One of my favorites is "The Werewolf Belt", it's a folktale which revolves around a belt being able to turn whoever wears it into a werewolf. A kid gets a hold of it and all hell breaks loose!
18:35 I'll have to learn more about that movement. It sounds very similar to what was covered in the video! Things like this have always fascinated because of the connections movements and ideas like it always seem to have with extremist politics
@@TheFallofRome Wow! I had no idea it was Danish!
'The Werewolf Belt' sounds similar to 'Hyde Effect', a 80s werewolf novel, dreadful editing, a few sophomoric plot lines, but overall a very good horror story, with modern twist. I'll have to check it out, thanks.
''I'll have to learn more about that movement. It sounds very similar to what was covered in the video! Things like this have always fascinated because of the connections movements and ideas like it always seem to have with extremist politics''
One past derivation of it was Ilminism.
But today, it has grown beyond that: It's both globalist and nationalist.
At best, it's about helping others beyond one's own border.
You might call it, Korean version of 'White Men's Burden', the Japanese Co-prosperity sphere, Lebensraum and feudal Noblesse oblige, all combined together.
Since if one is rich and strong, one has a duty, or nobless oblige to help those who are less fortunate.
Since one's motive is 'pure' and sincere, and it is not only for the benefit of oneself, but the world, and the human race, anyone opposing it are evil, and to be destroyed ruthlessly without any pity and mercy.
One source of anti-Americanism in ROK today is that U.S. has lost 'the mandate of heaven' due to her failure to help those nations/peoples who are less fortunate, for her own very parochial interest, and MAGA is one symptom, that the ruling class in U.S. has forgotten their duty to their own people and the world.
For whatever its worth,
newtechmag.net/2021/03/06/bloomberg-innovation-index-2021-brazil-the-most-innovator-in-latam/
30:10 -- RE: Messiah; See also: Mahdi.
I did a quick etymology lookup because I suspected it would have the idea of "one who leads" in it. From Arabic.
"1792, from Arabic mahdiy, literally "he who is guided aright," past participle of hada "to lead in the right way." In Islamic belief, a spiritual and temporal leader destined to appear on earth during the last days."
^^ This matters if we identify where Greek borrowed "Messiah".
"...from Aramaic (Semitic) meshiha and Hebrew mashiah "the anointed" (of the Lord), from mashah "anoint." "
Nazi Werewolves whats not to like :-)
Idk if you’ve watched the full video yet, but it gets weird super fast!
Jews eaten by wolves! Kinda like how neanderthals (Jew's ancestors) were defeated by cromagnons, using wolves to help them.
@@EgoShredder Damn, that's a deep cut right there. Somebody did their homework.
Didn't the necessity of speaking High German start with Martin Luther?
25:45 It’s mysticism, not mystic-sism.
Great material,, but can you please script your vids. Too many ,uh, er, um...
I usually try to work from more notes/script to avoid that. This was just off the top of my head, so I guess that’s to be expected. The more in-depth videos should be of better quality once they’re produced
@@TheFallofRome I've never noticed, but then I am not pedantic.
31:31 and thus the twilit book were born lol
I wouldn't lump Anthroposophy with the other Occult movements. It was not a racist philosophy like Theosophy and the others.
Why is anything pro European or white called racist while anything anti- white called inclusive?
1:00 -- RE: The Third Reich and NSDAP's Ideological Fascination Value; You've only just started your video here so I'm going to be quite direct in making this comment, and then I'm gonna shut up and listen to the rest.
You characterized the 3rd Reich / NSDAP as being Terrifying and thus, Fascinating. I disagree and can show why really, really quickly. For starters, while the 3rd Reich did *not* invent the radio or propaganda, it did practically force most of the rest of the world to catch up with them, at least in terms of production values. And Secondly, while the 3rd Reich did *NOT* invent Leaders, it *DID* make Leader the ideological keystone. *Consequently,* since WW2 it seems like western populations have been consistently gulled into accepting the Leader Principle as being valid for them, regardless of the country they're in, its history, or its political forms.
Politicians are generally *NOT* Leaders, and shouldn't be considered as such. *Perhaps* it is a terrifying thought, sure.
^^ I can offer some proof for my speculation (if that's what it must needs be called!) above; take, as example, Obama. If we were to go back over Obama's historical speeches from before he got elected President and then during his 2 terms, how often would we find the word "folks" being used? I submit, if it wasn't for the Leader Principle, he wouldn't have a reason to be speaking for the Volk like that.
23:23 -- Aww Dang, couldn't make it. And the timecode I've linked is arbitrarily centered on the 23 Enigma somewhat for kicks although my run-on comment is to do with what you've just said in the video.
Blavatsky's listing of the races has been transmuted in the latter decades of the 20th century, and strangely enough, if we were to conduct a quick survey of "commonly reported alien races" they seem to include some of the ones Theosophists were interested in. This is not to say that the Theosophists were onto something. Quite the contrary, it seems to me that they've gone "pop culture occult" by updating their narratives to include UFOs and aliens.
This is made even more complicated in my opinion because of non-disclosure agreements between governments and their employees, mostly since 1950. A "UFO Experience" might be one of any number of things other than a credible report of an encounter with aliens or their technology; a stage hypnotist's regular show might even include some form of an alien encounter as part of the entertainment. And all this to say the only way some taboo things can be spoken is by referring to them metaphorically.
Blavatsky showed the danger of someone with a little knowledge thinking they are very knowledgeable
I have personally seen a ware wolf so I know they are real. Once I’ve seen something myself I don’t care what the rest of the world thinks. I’m a well educated sane adult, and that depiction is actually quite accurate of what I saw. It literally leapt over our rear cottage and then stood up. I remember feeling it hit the ground when it landed. I know if I saw it someone else did too.
real
Soyjack's be like: WORLD ICE THEORY IS DEBOOOOONKED
The derisive language was distracting. The topic is interesting. I think we can all agree that the national-socialist program was horrible.
"Europeans aren't allowed culture unless it's Semitic approved Christianity" yooo cringe
When did he say that?