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YongYea no, they probably just think they have to be the first one to announce it to get more attention to it. Then grow the culture for it, plus it's google, they got alot power to develop it
Stadia is for 5G.... They are trying to get ahead of the posse and be ready... So it is the future.... but not too early.... the future always begins in the past.
gog games , we should all buy games from them they know what people wants without bs always online and you have the installer in you so you have the option to uninstall and install games.
@@rindar1 there's a giant difference steam doesn't use streaming, you download the games in your hardrive also unlike google, it isn't something that is doomed to death STREAMING
Man, some ppl must have issues, or actually bein paid to defend something like Stadia. Like Smash said. Steam: download game once, use internet, even if slow, to auth game. Game playable, no major issues. Stadia: net is bad: gg, you f'd! And still ppl defend it as a good thing. Some people need to be separated from society.
I do admit this sounds interesting (not having to worry about the performance of your machine) but what happens if your internet goes out? I don't know that much about this other than this video but, doesn't this mean that mods/add-ons are out of the question? I love running mods and if that were the case I don't think this is for me for just this reason alone.
whats that reasoning? sounds like an old man refusing to use new things. there are a lot of arguments against stadia, but "im not really into this whole streaming thing" makes no sense.
Stadia has a lot of cool features, but... you won't be able to mod your games anymore. Also, they can make games unavailable at any point... even digital download-platforms like Steam lets you save game data locally, Stadia doesn't.
@@NormanReaddis this reminds me so much of the movie "The Circle", where a Google like company is really interested in controlling everything and everyone with new tech. Have us on their hands is basically their goal today
@@brandonwombacher2559 aggreed one thing we can do is not sign up for stadia or cloud gaming etc etc thats how itll fail and well get to actually own our games instead of paying 60 bucks to rent a game
@@Nick-N I'd agree to purely digital media if it was able to be sold again for real currency/given away and didn't require internet connection for single player functions. These big companies are going to make it frustrating and not fun somehow, you can count on that. On this route video games, of all things, will start to become a luxury because they can. Get your bank account ready.
I simply do not see any advantage for digital games besides shelf space. Don't like the game in the end? You're stuck with it. A friend wants to try out your game? Not going to happen. Your account gets hacked? Your games are gone. Shitty internet connection? Your game is not going to download. There is also the advantage of buying physical games used.
ABSOLUTELY! Someone in the comments was actually trying to say "google is probably doing this for convenience for gamers" HAHAHA yeah like they give a shit about anyone but them and how much is lining their pockets. Trusting google, hahaaha that was a good one, gave me a good laugh. Glad you understand, Alzar.
@@Wenyfile No, but the Cloud saves arent the only ones, you both have "real" saves on your harddrive and Cloud saves. Cloud saves ARE convenient, but i can always backup my most important ones.
@@Wenyfile The cloud saves are literally just copies of what you actually have on your computer, unless youre playing something that relies on the steam network (like items). Do you trust yourself to make backups?
I mean, I have shitty internet too, but still I only own 55 Physical games, and the rest is all digital (300+ games, across PC/Steam/Origin/U Play, Wii, 3DS, Wii U and Switch.) I don't even know why. I guess it's just the fact that I'm not as old as other people, meaning "age rated" games are harder to get physically than digitally. Also, everyones obssesed with the idea of not having to leave you're house for 15 - 20 Minutes too get a game, but rather just instantly buying it at home. Still, a bigger fan of Physical games tho (Surprisingly).
Same, and personally I like to have the disc physically, not that I hate digital format but I just prefer to have physical in case something happens that may affect a digital game
@@strikeforce1500 Me too. I'm worried that f.e. Steams Server's may once shut down (Or The Nintendo eShop, just an example), and I'll loose all downlosded games.
@Pyro The problem is that Stadia would really only be useful to people on a budget for gaming. Meaning they can't really splurge on good internet, let alone a full console and $60 dollar games (along with their expensive DLCs to actually be fun). They do not know their market.
Don't worry! For just $19.99 a month you can buy Stadia Pro +! No ads, and we'll even throw in a 5% discount on future game purchases!!! Isn't that epic, fellow gamers!???
Nothing like satisfyingly ripping off the brand new game case plastic, opening it pulling out the disk and looking at it's perfect reflective posterior then sliding it in the console for that satisfying instant start up (no further install required) maaaaan i miss those days
Gaming as a service is a fraud. You will never own your games when you stop your monthly subscription fees. The idea of needing to Internet to play games is ridiculous.
If you have any digital games, you don't even own those games. You own the license to play it and the company who is providing you with the digital service can at any moment revoke your license. Stop pretending that not "owning" games is a new thing.
@@adrianlim5144 I'm pretty sure that people mean that as in "The game is in my system and can be booted without an internet connection", obviously that varies from game to game. That being said, when was the last time a company came to your house and blocked your access to a certain game?
Yes but what about games being taken away because of licensing reasons. you're basically saying these companies do not revoke because they're respectable and would never do such a thing. The point is companies can abuse they're power and have done so before. Remember P.T? Well, you can't play it anymore. why, because Sony revoked the license from us.
- $150 minimum upfront, plus $10/mo, plus $60 per game for newer releases - must have a reliable connection to Google's servers to use - no personal copies of your games even if you pay $60 for it Man Google, you drive a hard bargain
That minimum upfront is just for early access and includes 3 months where you don't need to pay $10/month. It also includes 3 months that you can give to a friend.
Actually, It's free for 1080p, 60 $ per game, i have good internet cuz I don't live in a village, no copies of the game yes just like steam. Sounds like a great deal
@@AlexSKS "no copies of the game yes just like steam" When you buy a game on Steam you download the files to your computer. Theoretically you could reverse-engineer the DRM, uninstall Steam, and still play it. When you buy a game on Stadia it never leaves their servers, you just see the output. There is never a chance to access the actual files, so if you lose access, you can't play it. These are not the same thing.
@@dimethylhydra I agree it is not the same thing, but for me personally I don't fear Google to just dissolve Stadia and my games with it. If this were to happen there would be outrage and developers/Stadia might just give a way free copies or refunds. But I understand people who want a physical/Digital copy with them, but personally I don't care
That is because you have the consumer perspective. If you have the corporate perspective the money fleecing possibilities are endless. All with the bonus of total control of your game. No used game sales eating your massive profit margins either.
Me either. Also, TH-cam is trying to tell us what we can and can't watch via bans and demonetization. Imagine what they'll do to the gaming industry if they get their claws on it.
I'm on the same boat. But I think what Google is going for is the convenience of being able to play wherever on whatever device you want. This was the Switch's selling point with portability, but now you can do it with whatever console you want, on whatever device you want, and the experience is further streamlined through browser integration. There's a lot going for it, but I still agree with you and with Yong here. Being tethered to the internet makes this an unreliable proposition.
People are happy to be taken advantage of. Meanwhile, Google will be more than happy to partner with Facebook to sell your credit card and social security numbers to the black market
@@DaFro3713 people like you are just stupid... yes google and Facebook sell your data but it's not as personal as you might thing... you are not special to them, you are just one number in the statistics.
@Mega Aciej not continuing to buy their games also does that without boundlessly increasing the cost... having an attitude of "if I just throw more money at it it'll get better" is why things are already how they are.
As an Australian i can tell you our NBN infrastructure is rubbish... I can push between 60/72mbps on a good day during non-peak hours but that can quickly drop to under 10mbps. Cloud gaming in Australia would be a f*cking terrible idea and currently could not work in a wifi environment. Also it's as anti-consumer as you can get... Your paying a subscription service fee then paying full price for new release titles except you don't own them. Why the hell would you do something that f*cking stupid!?! Is it really convenient to play a game on every type of supported device just because the technology exists? I'd argue no... Not only are you paying basically a full priced rent fee for the "right" not ownership to play that game but changing devices means changing control schemes, resolutions and one of the most important elements in gaming 'which is immersion. Let's not forget the amount of job losses the entire industry would suffer from the use of this tech 'if it was mainstream and that the people that benefit the most aren't the consumer. Convenience my ass... This is what will bring down the industry and f*ck the gamers over!!
S-clone What job losses? Physical distribution is already dying so not sure what jobs would be lost? It’s the same as buying it digital, doesn’t touch jobs. Only difference is you own your digital software license and your data is stored locally
The fact that it's Google is enough for me to avoid like the plague.
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They're either canceling it 2 years later or... They're developing a messaging app specifically for Stadia right now. And cancel it 3 months after unsuccessful release. 😎😎😎
@@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou Yeah they just bought TH-cam, they didn't come up with it themselves. I was on TH-cam before it was owned by Google and liked it better.
@@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou There is not reasonable alternative to TH-cam. Everything I want to follow (podcasts, lots of independent news sources, etc) is only on TH-cam. With gaming, you have many choices - PC, console, mobile, switch, you can buy physical games, or pick between Steam, GOG, etc. TH-cam has a monopoly. I would love to use something else, but I can't. It's the only Google product I still use (and, well, android - where the alternative is Apple). But not gmail, not chrome, not drive.
@@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou like the other dude said, there is no competition to TH-cam. I guarantee you that if there was, I'd jump in a heartbeat
@@Knowbody42 wich is funny knowing they are ON STAGE. With Massive internet connection speeds and like a dozen engineers around backstage lol This stadia thing is flawed already i tell ya
Think about what you just said. All attempts at cloud gaming having failed miserably so far and you categorize it as easily achieved. I'm sure you can configure the family router like nobody else, but you might be slightly off on this one
And you can keep the installer saved on your ssd/hdd for as long as you want. They cant and dont want to pull the plug. They provide quality service, really listening to gamers. And I respect them for that very much. Its kind of surprising how they are not more popular.
$160 stadia $30 to 80 subscription? $60 game plus$100 of micro transactions $80 internet $200 my bank account well i guess im not playing games this month
Except those aren't even close to the announced prices of Stadia, or you can choose the free version and just buy your games like any digital storefront
that is a starter kit..nothing more or nothing less. if you have chrome and a xbox controller...than you dont need to buy anything else. 1080p 60 is FREE. the sub if you want 4k. for a console player who has to pay 10$ for a NON optional online play...uhm...an optional sub is not an issue. just another fake rage over here
@@BrotherO4 yes, the free service with no release date, probably rigged with ads and lovely queues, unless they want to gift you a PC for 300 hours Just because you bought some 10$ game
No access to data, save files or mods. And once servers go down you can't play it, bad internet and you can't play it, google screws up and you can't play it, no such thing as offline mode and etc. No thanks.
I agree with this guy fuck that idk what google is thinking That why i didnt buy or play bc the servers MIGHT go down... Bc i couldnt play them. Ughhhh Fortnite Pubg Destiny Division Warfram Any moba Any mmo Cod Battlefield Rainbowsix Overwatch
Ah yes. These days some games can never be played after servers go down. If this sort of thing spreads we wont even have the game files. I can see AAA companies loving this shit
@@TearThatRedFlagDown Yeah. Still imagining a really good AAA game releasing then them pulling the game for whatever reason many, many years down the line and it just vanishing never to be played again is a horrible thing. And something I can totally see AAA companies doing. I bet they'd love to do that with their older games like Baldurs Gate 1 and 2, Kotor etc. Imagine how much sales they could get if they pulled them offline ages before they started selling them again. If you want to play the game you got no choice. And oh hey no piracy too.
Yep, pre-ordering is for idiots. Why pay for something you don’t fully know about? It made sense back in the day, when physical copies of a game were limited and you didn’t want to drive around going from store to store, checking if they still had it in stock. With digital, pre-ordering is just plain dumb and ONLY benefits the publishers/devs. I’ll wait until gameplay and reviews are out now, before I buy a game.
Either if it's physical or if you possess the files in your hard drive or something. Point is, you must possess something that you can't be separated from over the internet
@@zeul787 no, even digital content can be taken away. If you use Steam, Epic, XB store, PS Store, etc, games are only liscensed to you and at any point egen when bankrupt, they can deny anyone access to their games. If you use GOG then you own your games somewhat.
I prefer physical just became I don't want to install 60gb games ever time I want to play the game straight away or if my mate asks me to play a game I have but I don't have it installed guess we ain't playing it
@@mycelia_ow Not entirely true. Valve has stated that they plan to allow people to to still access the games they bought on Steam if something went wrong and Valve had to shut Steam down for good. Epic would probably take everyones games away, though. Wouldn't be uncharacteristic of them.
It is way too early for cloud gaming. Input lag, lag in general, no access to game's files, no modding, no save data manipulation, requires a constant connection to the internet, requires the service provider to have its shit together and above all else the pricing model needs to be fair. There are just way too many disadvantages. I'll stick with owning my games, thank you very much.
And visual compression artifacts in the video as well, just like any other streaming. There's a reason people still buy lossless compression Blurays. It's still technically clearer visually than streaming, even with 4K streaming you're still bitrate limited and they compress the video. Bitrate is where a lot of the video clarity comes from which a lot of people overlook or aren't aware of -- moreso than just pure resolution numbers. When you're running the game on your own local hardware, not only is the input delay lower, but the visual clarity will always be better as well since it's not having to be compressed AT ALL -- just straight raw from your video card's frame buffer right to your monitor.
Yusblind 5G will make it capable of running smoothly. Alternatively, 5G is probably going to give all of us cancer. There’s been all sorts of protests that the media has ignored as of late, and I wasn’t pissed until they put a 5G tower behind my little siblings’ elementary school.
@@-Devy- Depends on the game. If it can be played offline then you own it. If you have all the data needed to run it and you don't need an internet connection the company can't take it from you.
Yes, technically you don't own the games if you read the fine print. With that said, no game publisher is ever going to come to your house and take your disc from you, meaning you will always be able to play offline games. This is not an option with a digital only future.
@@zalabit927 I'm actually trying to get away from Google as much as I can. The only thing I still use that is Google is Gmail and my Android phone. I've changed my browser and my search engine and I haven't looked back.
Yeah, even with the controller, it looks like he presses the jump button so many times before he jumps on the statue.... Unless that button does something else? I bought the founders pack because I'm a fool for new stuffs below $200 lol. But my hopes arent high lmao
Exactly, and one of the problems here is that those people are also some that play on their phones, and complain if a game is 5 ou 10 bucks, but then can spend hundreds in a f2p game full of microtransactions. Publishers want that ofc, and a future with streaming only is the future they wish the most because of shady things like this, because they could capture all of those casual gamers.
@@OwinBlazer cheaper to pay sub and game then go pay for game and play on your own machine. Remember the cost of running games on your PC, which is higher than stadias subscription
This is what confuses me the most about Stadia at the moment. It's clearly meant for folks who can't or don't want to spend much on games and don't care about issues like latency, but requires a strong and likely expensive Internet connection. On top of *that,* though, it uses a pricing model that is the worst of both worlds(you have a month sub fee, PLUS you have to purchase individual games). The pricing is just a mess, and the tech/infrastructure just isn't there yet. It could work well if they keep working on it until they hit on a good pricing model and things catch up...but it's Google, so I doubt that'll happen.
That con is streamings con's in general. I find it funny people think that this is the future. 65 hours and your 1 TB limit is up, yeah people are really going to be lining up for that.
When the nintendo switch was first revealed..many people assumed that it will fail. They mocked it laughed at it but look at them now. Same applies to Stadia. First reveal, people gonna shit on it, but technology advances over time! Imagine playing RDR2 on your fking mobile phone!! I see a high potential gaming leader going forward and im hell willing to invest in this. This is the future of gaming. MS / Sony said they are not worried, they will eat their words one day.
And I imagine that the same would happend with your steam library right? or with your physical games without the day one patch right? or without the servers? cmon thats a very very weak argument
@Chris Goody If you had them before the game was gone it remained. Also I don't approve of cloud games in general, GOG's approach is the most consumer friendly
@@niceone550 Im talking about that for everyone of your games in steam you only purchase a use license, its not your´s and if the game its remove from the plataform or steam its shut down you will loose all your games. The same point you make againts stadia
I think Stadia is going to fail. Not because of it's pricing or it's availability, but because Google servers have been really unreliable lately. If Stadia servers are going to be anything like TH-cam servers then we can expect major downs at least once every couple months.
@@Chrisace89 No !! It's not a native experience will always be much better than the streaming experience unless someone has a great internet connection which is not the case for most parts
@@nahimiYT how so? If the internet goes down you cannot play online only games, you cannot update digital games that require updates to start. Physical games are perfect from those 2 major issues
@@nahimiYT Fuck that shit. I need to actually own what I buy. The games industry already has too much control over consumers. Call people "old" all you want, but dumbass children like you don't understand the world yet. An all digital future benefits only the suits... not the creatives and not the consumers
I don't see pc gaming going anywhere soon. Modding is impossible with Stadia. The kind of freedom a PC offers as platform can't be replaced by cloud gaming
It's the endgame for developers/publishers. Where the concept of 'owning' a game is dead and you pay a re-occurring charge. They can do whatever they want with the game at that point because you're not paying for something you own. You're paying for the opportunity or 'privilege' to use their 'service'
So in essence you buy a game for full price and then lose access to it once Google shuts down Stadia like they do with almost all their services. Great idea!
For the games included on the subscription service side, consider one thing that's pretty common with Netflix: Licensing deals ending or for whatever reason a game/movie being removed from their lineup with zero warning.
Netflix warns you if you're watching that particular tv show or movie. I remember watching Blue Planet and before every episode i would get a notification that it was going to be removed in a month. They should show it when you browse too so you know if you want to bother watching something that is going to be removed in a month.
@@LordDeimosIV That would be very good. If I have 2 weeks before a, say, Bulletstorm is pulled from Stadia is one thing but if in 2 weeks a The Witcher 3 (or any other game that has 40-60 hours of content inside) is gonna be pulled then there's no reason to bother and rush through everything or risk to have the game removed before reaching the ending.
The service is free though, and relatively cheap. All you need is an okay internet service($40 m/o with COX, for 30 mb/s) and chrome-cast ($35 or $60 for Ultra 4K).
@@joesummerlin3873 "the service is free" yeah right, last thing I wanna see is an ad every 15min, and a warning message that I have to purchase the premium service in order to continue playing....
Vayne Fox I don’t think that’s how it’ll work. In fact I don’t think their will be ads at all, similarly to when you turn your PlayStation on you’ll be greeted with a splash screen and options of games. You buy FS19 for 60$ and just play it. Because you buy games through Stadia they wont need ads to pay for it. Edit - Your comment is a Hyperbole
From the things I've seen so far, it's around $10 a month for the service that'll get you games you can stream for free, but most Triple A games will still be full priced to play.
When you are such a tech giant that you create a product based on the assumption that everyone in the world is receiving a good enough Internet connection. Rip stadia.
@Pyro Cable providers charging more money for brandwidth is probably the most scary issue most people seem to have. And its not unheard of that subscriptions like these have like "Super ultra premium" which may take previous aspects that were either free or in a previously offered deal. See, i as said this idea is cool, but im personaly careful before i commit to something of this scale.
@Pyro Outrage doesn't stop greed. You get a large population dependant on cloud exclusivity and I will bet you anything in the world prices will go up.
@Pyro as the fellow commenter said, Rediclious microtransactions and season passes are already deep anchored in the business even tho it should have died in its infancy as nowdays you practically buy half a game for 60€, i can name various titles going with that. Things that will breed from Stadia will do the same with time no doubt.
"The only game we know you can play as part of the subscription is Destiny 2." That moment you realise they're trying to charge 10 bucks a month for a game that's already announced as going free to play in the very near future.
The subscription would include Destiny 2: The Collection which includes New Light, Foresaken, Shadowkeep, and the season passes. So in a sense it's actually a really good deal. Dont have to pay full price for DLC
@@nickdenino9297 you will only get Destiny 2 with Founders Edition I believe and that's 129$. Correct me if I am wrong, but that's what they showcased. There was no mention of Destiny 2 with Stadia Pro per se, only Founders Edition...
Destiny 2 is not going the free to play route, just some of the old content of destiny 2 will be free to hook others to waste money on the new future content
I want this to fail and blow up in the customers faces. People need a wake up call when it comes to them losing their property rights in gaming and this would put a death nail in it.
"Its called consolidation; strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals." I'd like to know how this is going to affect client-side stuff, mainly mods.
I'd be fine with paying cheaper for a game that disappears once it's finished. Seriously, there's so many developers making quality games these days, who has time to play a game you already finished 10 years ago. I'm forever playing new games then they go off to the hidden folder never to be played again.
@@dhoelath6648 DRM isn't that hard to overcome. You can relieve pretty much any digitally owned game of those shackles and slap it on a flashdrive/HDD for storage, if one really wanted. No chance of that, or having access to the files whatsoever, with streaming.
Always online was bad since diablo3 was announced and is still bad, if something happens to them or you, no game, ban without a word, and more, yay online only
Exactly why getting games on gog.com is my highest priority; even if I already have it on steam. If steam suddenly goes down, all those games go bye bye Good old games gives you cloud sure, bur also the .exe installing file. I already have them all saved on a drive so I can have them offline; all thats to gog. Why isn't this standard? Cloud and .exe file download options!
@@WakoDoodle I hear ya. I can see the draw but as far as I'm concerned they're selling *_the idea_* of ownership, not *_actual_* ownership. It's like that music streaming service I saw (and I think failed) a few years ago. You paid a monthly subscription and all you had to do is choose from their millions of songs and make your own playlists, the idea they were trying to sell was that you didn't worry about bringing the right CD's to the park/gym/party/road trip, you didn't worry about the cases of CD's, you didn't worry about buying a CD at full price then finding out you only like one song out of the entire album, you just sign into your subscription and everything you want and nothing you don't is there. However, I'm with you all the way on that shit. What if the service goes under? You don't keep anything because you don't own anything. You paid for air essentially. What if a (game) streaming service decides to bend at the knee to some SJW/political correctness bullshit (which seems to be all the rage with companies right now) and decides to pull down or censor a game you've paid for? What if the power goes out? What if the internet goes out, connection issues anyone? Driving where there is no signal, ever play handhelds on a plane? Not anymore. And the ever present danger, however unlikely but NOT impossible, ...zombie apocalypse. All the reasons you mentioned and more. Even if you have a digital copy of the game, you still have the game (without that bullshit online DRM even for single player, of course). As far as I'm concerned a digital copy on your HDD/SSD is as good as the real thing. I can see the draw with streaming games and if you have the money to burn then whatever, go for it. I personally don't see the pros outweighing the cons and prefer having the actual product in my possession. I'll be damned if I can't play games when there's zombies roaming around just because some company says so. Sorry about the wall of text. I was on the shitter a little longer than I thought.
If this flops, Sony and Microsoft would start rethinking their future cloud gaming plans. I would stay away as far as I can from this Stadia stuff then.
No they wont. Its inevitable that the vast majority of future gaming will be digital. To be honest I would rather not pay 200-500 quid for hardware to play games. That's 4-5 years of subscription alone.
@@kieranb3815 And a console's life span is 5-6 years so in the long run it's pretty much the same except you get to keep your console and games. It would be different if you don't need to pay for the game itself in addition to the monthly subscription. But you're right cloud gaming will stay in thr future but it won't takeover console or pc gaming.
@@arisart22 it will, because it's not driven by you or me, it's down to the next generation of gamers. They wont have nostalgia about consoles and physical games. Same argument with DVD players and film, look where that is.
Call me old-fashioned, but I like having a full game installed on my system or (shock horror) on a disc, so I know I've got the full thing I paid for with me. I don't even like WATCHING streams, let alone playing them.
@Kyle Castloo No, you wake up. You're so adamant about not supporting Google yet you're using TH-cam. You're being hypocritical and it doesn't fit your anti-Google agenda. Stop using Google's services (including TH-cam) and then maybe you can talk all day about your Google conspiracy theories. Until then you're just another hypocritical asshole.
Jesus christ I've already had three ads in a row on youtube once before, one at the end of the video and two consecutive ones at the start of the next. This is why I run adblock on literally every device I've ever owned. Now all I need is a way to put it on mobile. Google is just turning into a fucking shitshow with this nonsense.
TH-cam does not cover everything you watch with ads the content creators do monetization is not a standard enabled feature your just as likely to see ads on stadia games as you are on xbox and playstation
You are overly optimistic there. On a global level we are at least 70-80 years away from this. It would be a collosal undertanking both financially and technologically.
That's assuming people even want it. Personally I couldn't care less for it. To me that's like saying it's a massive undertaking to lay a trail of turds all across the world that everyone can smell.
lol Ouya. It was not even remotely as outrageous as this yet failed miserably. I smell disaster at launch, but google will keep pumping money into it to keep it afloat until everyone forgot it even exists, to save face, then they'll pull the plug and poof, those stupid enough to have bought all this shit will be left with overpriced paperweights and an unjustifiable hole in their bank account. But there won't be any massive backlash because it will only concern a few hundred of thousand people worldwide. It's still worrying for the future of video games, but I can't help but laugh at this idea that google will lose and make lose a tremendous amount of money on shit most people knew from the get go couldn't work.
@KDingo81 when I was talking about physical discs I meant consoles. But yeah not much point in buying physical PC games unless they're older. My copies of Morrowind and Oblivion both have the games on disc, but Skyrim just links to steam
@KDingo81 With services like Steam you can at least make offline backups of everything in your library. Valve (I've no idea about Epic, EA, etc.) has also gone on the record stating that in the event of a shutdown they'd push a de-DRM patch (or something along those lines) so you could play anything you'd backed up without needing to connect to their servers. Even in the event that Valve didn't, you can rest assured that, "someone else," would. Steam shutting down would be pretty disastrous, but you could preserve your gaming library (albeit with some effort). Cloud gaming.. well, you're up excrement creek without a paddle - it leaves you entirely at a corporation's mercy.
@@riseoftheflutes1739 Untrue. Games bought through places like GoG are DRM free. You 100% own those games. (also physical games you own, provided it isn't online required, that copy is 100% yours as well.)
I'm so excited to pay for games and then not own them and then also depend on my internet service quality to play the single-player games I just bought. Sounds something that every gamer would love to do!
@@DantesInferno96 That's true. Data caps are an issue. But Google has shown 720p 60 fps was viable at lower ends, below 10mbps. That's more than enough for the average user. And the way he structured the video, all pessimistic views.
@@DiaXisHD average users play on full HD so that's kind of the point. 720p was the standard 8 years ago. These days everyone has 2k TVs and monitors. Playing on 720p would not be suitable. So this entire thing isn't viable right now
Only the base Destiny 2 experience. The Stadia subscription will include evrry dlc and expansion. Nice try on your misinformation though, even if it completely drops flat.
its like playing games but just worse, there is no way they can get around the latency doesn't matter how fast your connection is, the latency will be there
Stadia pro is $10 a month, multiply that by 12 to represent the whole year. That's $120 a month for access to a small amount of games you don't have to pay for, all the others you will have to pay for and require constant internet to play not just multiplayer games but single-player games too. PS Plus 1 Year Subscription (in Australia where I live) is $80 and gives me access to new free games every month, online multiplayer (which is a bit of bullshit since they didn't do that on PS3) and good size of personal cloud storage plus deals on games and DLC pretty much every month as well. Cloud Gaming is not the future.
Exactly who is ‘games as a service’ for? Those who don’t own a: Console Switch Mobile device Decent pc Yet have: Fast reliable Internet Have money to burn every month Don’t mind never owning their games. Seems more like game publishers and their major investors want ‘games a service’, than actual gamers.
Its sounds like perfect for my Dad. He has mentioned wanting to try gaming again after 20+ years, but he don't want to buy a gaming pc/console or any games. Yet he has fiber internet, so this could be cool :)
Leif Moen does he have a modern pc? There are countless retro games and emulators out there that are run on modern hardware that you don’t even need gaming PCs.
Pyro how low though? Who doesn’t have any of the things mentioned? Console, Switch, decent pc, or mobile device. There are heaps of games you can play on modern non-gaming PCs at reasonable settings without the need for Internet and monthly subscriptions while all the while owning your games...that’s a pretty low entry level already.
@@SomsoKca yes and i have unlimited data since day one only this year i got 100mbs speed but still i have 0 interested in cloud gaming phisical copies for ps4 and steam for pc i want own my games not to rent them
My problem with digital purchases is that they can stop support at any time and if you don't have the games you bought downloaded you can potentially be screwed. Wii is losing support here very soon just as an example.
No problem for steam, steam have assured if Steam ceased to exist, game company will (or obliged to do so in their contract with Valve) to patch the game to make it "steam-free"(standalone launch).
This is one of the reasons i have never bought a digital version of any game and never will. Also i like having a nice collection of games, or movies for that matter, on my shelves.
@@Regnier575 Yeah. There are even physical games that you literally can't get anymore, either. It's basically the same as the complaint the op is making. If these physical games are no longer being made and you don't already have one in your possession, then you're fucked unless you find someone else who has it.
No joke. I don't know how it is on consoles, but on PC you can feel the difference between 20ms and 50ms ping. And that's without having to constantly stream full-size video at a stable FPS. Even if, at best, you only had to deal with micro-stutters of both the input and video (since those would be connected) from time to time, it would still ruin the experience.
Cloud Gaming? Swipe Left! I prefer to download the games than being at the mercy of an Incompetent Internet Service Provider and a Politically Motivated Company at the same time.
@Smattless And here Smattless is, not understanding, that even the digitally bought games, can be saved to your harddrive once downloaded or burned onto blank blue rays. But what do i know, im just a talking gumball machine
Your sarcasm is amazing perhaps Google didn't make a product specifically tailored for just you maybe they made it for people who don't have PC or current generation systems just a thought but maybe a company like Google has no interest in turning hardcore gamers away from their favorite consoles or PCS I could only assume they wish to bring actual new people into the ecosystem which is the real reason why you're probably upset because I highly doubt you are actually offended that you can't watch Google's ads
Caleb Bruce His sarcasm should’ve shed light on how much you’ll be saving compared to how much you’ll be milked for, and you’ll see how building a pc and buying games on PC is a hundred times better than going the streaming route.
cosmosofinfinity Yeah, spend a one time payment of $2500+ money and then your internet connection, plus games. Or, pay for Google Stadia, pay for better internet if needed or be stuck with lower res, pay a monthly fee to play your games, and pay the same premium game prices to play them. In the long run, the first option is the logical one. I fail to see any argument where the Google Stadia option is the smarter choice, unless you’re impatient and would rather get milked by Google’s hands. I’m not here to tell you how to spend your money though, more power to you.
If done correctly cloud gaming can be a powerful secondary option if used when you're done playing your physical copy and you're trying to go somewhere you can play 3 hours or so on the go then return home to your physical or downloaded copy of the game but I hope they decide not to make cloud gaming number one because cloud gaming can never be number one we still need our physical copies in our hands this was a problem for many people when Onlive service turned off and it was a cloud gaming service and many people lost all their games they paid for it was a cool service but when it died you can see why cloud gaming doesn't deserve to be number one just a secondary option like for instance if you buy a game and want to download it and want to slow the download a little because you want to play the game now you can play the game while it's downloading so then you can play your download copy when the game is done
Now you have to make a decision between an ultrabook and a gaming laptop or buy an ultrabook and a gaming desktop. With Stadia you only need an ultrabook and you can play the most demanding games without hearing the fan speed up a lot (still 4K demands more than FHD, so fan speed goes up a little) and getting your gaming laptop overheated and broken in a few years if you game a lot. No need for noise cancelling headphones to get rid of that horrible fan noise. No cheaters because you can't inject code in the game files because the files are on the server. Of course the downside is no modding unless they find a solution for that like letting users upload mods. But if they allow mods, they are probably going to be official paid mods like Steam used to do with Skyrim and Fallout 4... Basically microtransactions.
Same. And don't worry what "Sea Level Cain" thinks he obviously doesn't understand simple logic. I personally can't afford it, but I can also see that even people who CAN afford it, WHY should you buy it? There's NO real incentive to use it over already usable ways to play games. Sea Level Cain can waste his money, it'll be funny when his Internet goes out one day and he can't play xD
@@rolandhunt7542 No I would say it is the opposite. I got a nice ass gaming PC, why the fuck would I want to buy games to have to stream them?!? The only people interested in this are people who dont have good systems, so casuals or those without any money who would consistently feed into this shit and probably lose more money long term anyway.
WAY too early. Anyone who knows about US infrastructure for internet knows that it would be one hell of an undertaking for Stadia to be viable in most places. Companies have monopolies, and they would need a massive competitor to make better internet available in most of the country. I know the US isnt the only country, but many others suffer similar issues. Guess it's sucess will ride on how many people who are lucky to have great internet speeds usevthe service.
APocketMonster Most countries in the world don’t have the internet speeds required to run the stadia at its fullest potential and those that have the infrastructure like the US and parts of Europe and Asia, only have it in *very* specific areas.
Not really. At least according to their requirement of 35 mbps. That's like the lowest cable internet available in most cities (From my experience). At least up here in the North East speeds of 150 MBPS go for about $50 a month.
There's already satellites in orbit that aim to create a gigantic Internet network that will allow anybody to connect, no matter their location at full speeds. Girlll
I liked the part where he mentioned the 'no noticeable input lag' and yet while watching it I could swear there was noticeable input lag on the mouse movement vs the screen movement.
Have you ever played any multiplayer game? There is always input lag before the server registers it, now you will just have that same lag in single players games, I truly think it would be negligible especially if you are used to playing an online game. A 0.1-second delay or 100 ms ping really isn't that bad, hopefully, they would roll out enough servers than that giving you even less delay though.
actually on second thought if you had 100 ms ping, you would effectively have 200 ms ping, because it takes 0.1 seconds for your inputs to register and 0.1 seconds for the stream to show the game react to your inputs. If they could get it down to 50 ping input delay wouldn't be bad. However, there are many games where ping is a non-issue.
@@Nilloc1221 There might be a delay in multiplayer games, but you wont notice it yourself because the movement is handled locally. That obviously doesn't work with streaming.
If this ever gains any form of traction and cloud gaming becomes an overnight success (which I really doubt), competing streaming services will have to counter with promises or features such as "all purchased games are available offline, yours to own, less latency etc." Which will could create a new market where game streaming becomes the new Netflix and be bogged down heavily with exclusivity deals with companies trying to obtain the next Xbox, PlayStation and Nintendo hit. Which will make people less likely to pay for a streaming service if all their games are on different services. This system has little to no chance of success if there ever is any.
Tbh this is their evolution, Stadia provides a service (like Netflix), you are not buying a product, you are using it under permission of the service provider who will have any right to interrupt the service (also considering the relatively low price required to access it) whenver it wants. You'll probably have a nice bunch of ads plastering the login+selection Home of the service, possibly already showcasing "The Best Deal" in microtransaction for game XYZ, and I believe that probably at least for the free (and low tier subscriptions) you'll have ads running while you play. I might be very wrong, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with Stadia as a concept, if you are into it, I'm not. :)
Too late, games as service is in full force already with loot boxes/etc. Stadia is not attempting to necessarily do games as service, this is more of a competition against consoles. Don't have a PS4? Now you won't feel left behind.
I know, right? Don't think they realise how much gamers love collecting games and collector's editions. And the casual gamers would rather stick with Netflix than this.
@@Galohide Gamers love playing games. If you collect games you have a different title, it's called a collector. Real gamers don't fall for "collector's edition" trickery and just enjoy the games.
@@niteip187 Gamers are people who are into gaming.... not just playing videogames, but talking about them, diving into the lore of their favourite games, byung collectors editions. there isn't really one way to be a gamer, but it's more than just playing games. someone who just listens to the radio isn't a music-enthusiast. Someone who can heat up water isn't a hobby cook... people who enjoy wasting their hard earned money on videogames want something in return... those who just want to waste some time on videogames would rather have a neat little subscription
I don't care if the service was perfect and I had no data cap, I'm against trusting these companies out of principle. They will take this down worse and worse monetization schemes over time. Not thanks.
I wonder when they raise your monthly service fee later could you cancel it and still play the games you paid full price for? That is something we should be informed of before buying into their "virtual console".
@@Sabercat-ub9dc yes of course. You didn't pay attention to the video or something? The subscription fee is for free games and discounts on games you have to buy in the shop. You will be able to buy games and play them without subscribing
@@mbotela9979 having access to your cloud games without subscribing is basically asking for "I dont care if this business doesn't have profits but I guess I'll continue", which is the very last thing you'll gonna hear in a company like google. If neither they dont do ads while you play or suddenly interrupting your game with a warning message "In order to continue to play this game have to subscribe to our premium services", I guess they can go and sell your data route, remember if the service is free, you are the product....
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YongYea “it doesn’t feel like the world isn’t really ready for it”
They need to take more time to adjust things and not go down the route of rushing to release
YongYea no, they probably just think they have to be the first one to announce it to get more attention to it. Then grow the culture for it, plus it's google, they got alot power to develop it
YongYea think you meant the world isn’t ready for it yet.
Stadia is for 5G.... They are trying to get ahead of the posse and be ready... So it is the future.... but not too early.... the future always begins in the past.
Player:
*crashes his car multiple times in a racing game*
Google:
*bombs player with car insurance advertisement*
Good one
@@hamadalhmmady It's not a joke.
@@rustyshackleford3160 well why would Google do that anyway
Noooouuu thanks!!!
Google Employee: Don't you guys have Internet?!
100% internet connection for every game (including single player)
100% dependant on good Internet quality
100% no thank you
That's why you should just get a gamecube. There's no internet required at all
But we have it all already...
@@Bruh-jw8mg You say that, but there was an internet add-on for their few games that asked for it.
gog games , we should all buy games from them they know what people wants without bs always online and you have the installer in you so you have the option to uninstall and install games.
Thats gotta suck for those that dont have the best wifi. Or anyones wifi.
Can’t wait for Todd to reveal Skyrim for it at E3
You joke but I'm pretty sure Google already confirmed it's on Stadia
dont forget resident evil 4
We proudly announce... elder scrolls...
...
...
SKYRIM ON SKADIA
(proceeds to run away)
no starfield, so todd may not even show up.
Bethesda are doing terrible I’m not excited they need a new CEO
Full price games without the disk, I don't own the game... Once the service is over we don't own the game?
No thanks.
Ever heard of steam?
Stadia Base is free so you can still play the games you bought.. but no i wont be using this shit.
don't forget if teh service crashed and/or your internet became a potato in a second then you can't play at all
@@rindar1 there's a giant difference
steam doesn't use streaming, you download the games in your hardrive
also unlike google, it isn't something that is doomed to death
STREAMING
Man, some ppl must have issues, or actually bein paid to defend something like Stadia.
Like Smash said.
Steam: download game once, use internet, even if slow, to auth game. Game playable, no major issues.
Stadia: net is bad: gg, you f'd!
And still ppl defend it as a good thing. Some people need to be separated from society.
i'd rather stick to not streaming games, i like owning the system itself that will run the games i play. im not really into this whole streaming thing
The future is now old man
for real
I do admit this sounds interesting (not having to worry about the performance of your machine) but what happens if your internet goes out?
I don't know that much about this other than this video but, doesn't this mean that mods/add-ons are out of the question?
I love running mods and if that were the case I don't think this is for me for just this reason alone.
More Llif3 I prefer not being able to be banned and losing access to all the content I paid for...
whats that reasoning? sounds like an old man refusing to use new things. there are a lot of arguments against stadia, but "im not really into this whole streaming thing" makes no sense.
Cloud Gaming:
So massive companies can have even more control
That comment is against our terms of service. You have been banned from streaming any money grubber games.
Sincerely. Ban hammer.
Truth
Exactly. If we all start playing on google thats when google has more control and power
Control of what? What are you arguing? You play online on your PS4/Xbox One/PC/and Switch. What makes this different? I'm truly curious
@@undisclosedsteve6361 Google having way more power than all the others is another problem, too.
DRM: THIS ISN'T EVEN MY FINAL FORM!
yeah fuck cloud gaming
Cloud gaming is the final form unless they could somehow plug a chip in your head.
"You've violated our terms of service. You can't play for the next 2 weeks but thanks for your money. Love, Google."
Haha. Yea, imagine being banned because some company claimed the lyrics of a song you just randomly sang when winning a game. That would be "epic".
Very real possibility .FB is notorious for banning people for posting things that FB dont seem acceptable
I’ll stick to being able to play my games offline and owning my physical copies. Always online is a mistake
iNuclearPickle hells yeah i’m with u brother! We’re a dying breed, but let’s stay strong 💪
amen.
I'm with you on this one bro!
Yup I want to keep this going instead of relying on digital or stream cloud
@@Luisv951 no we arent people just download games but they still wany to own the fucking game.
Stadia has a lot of cool features, but... you won't be able to mod your games anymore.
Also, they can make games unavailable at any point... even digital download-platforms like Steam lets you save game data locally, Stadia doesn't.
That's what they want less community involvement as much as possible and more corporate chokehold
So like the TH-cam of gaming. Pass! Also modding is the best thing about PC gaming so Stadia isn't really PC gaming without that imo.
Great points.
@@NormanReaddis this reminds me so much of the movie "The Circle", where a Google like company is really interested in controlling everything and everyone with new tech. Have us on their hands is basically their goal today
@@system-error I really wish I could mod on my consoles
“This was announced all the way back
In March 2019” wow, feeling nostalgic
I had a , wait a second moment.
Only 2019 kids will remember
Time flies! This shit was like, last year already? Damn..
your comment was 57 minutes ago
wow, so nostalgic
Magnum_Koichi Yo! I remember this! Good times.
I’m sick of live services and subscriptions for literally everything.
No one's making u sign up for these services. I would prefer games on hard drives over games over internet
@@brandonwombacher2559 aggreed one thing we can do is not sign up for stadia or cloud gaming etc etc thats how itll fail and well get to actually own our games instead of paying 60 bucks to rent a game
Nope i want to play my single player games without a internet connection thanks.
Kojima's Death Stranding has got ya covered.
@Titanium Rage it looks like hot steamy ass under a 4k lens.
@Titanium Rage is... is that a good hot steamy ass or a bad hot steamy ass... just checking >_>
@Mischievous Emperor University kids dont have the money to afford something like that.....
Hell yeah
Always online, no mods, requires good internet speed
No thanks, I'll stick with physical copy.
Physical media is dying though, one way or another. Enjoy it while it lasts.
@@Nick-N It is dying. But Physical Media won't be going away for another few years or decades.
@@SergeantQuackersThe2nd Except when the service for the console shuts down.
@@Nick-N I'd agree to purely digital media if it was able to be sold again for real currency/given away and didn't require internet connection for single player functions. These big companies are going to make it frustrating and not fun somehow, you can count on that. On this route video games, of all things, will start to become a luxury because they can. Get your bank account ready.
I simply do not see any advantage for digital games besides shelf space. Don't like the game in the end? You're stuck with it. A friend wants to try out your game? Not going to happen. Your account gets hacked? Your games are gone. Shitty internet connection? Your game is not going to download. There is also the advantage of buying physical games used.
Teachers then: Get off Cool Math Games
Teachers now: Get off Assassin's Creed Odyssey
CoolMath4Kids was the absolute shit. I remember playing games on that site in 2007
RIP to Cool Math Games 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Holy shit!! So true, always played when the teachers weren't looking
I played a lot of Fire Emblem and Pokémon, while my friend played a lot of Resident Evil 4.
School's fault for giving us all our own laptops to use.
Lol please like any public schools internet is powerful enough to support like 200KB/s speeds let alone 10MB/s...
i'm from the future, this stadia is great but annoying because they replace loading screen with 5 second advertisement
Great point dude. F*@k adverts
More like three thirty second add.
i like actually owning my games
and i sure as shit don't trust Google to run this
i don't trust any company to run this cloud gaming thing
ABSOLUTELY! Someone in the comments was actually trying to say "google is probably doing this for convenience for gamers" HAHAHA yeah like they give a shit about anyone but them and how much is lining their pockets. Trusting google, hahaaha that was a good one, gave me a good laugh. Glad you understand, Alzar.
but you trust valve to keep all your game saves in the cloud?
@@Wenyfile No, but the Cloud saves arent the only ones, you both have "real" saves on your harddrive and Cloud saves. Cloud saves ARE convenient, but i can always backup my most important ones.
@@Wenyfile game saves are different to an entire game
@@Wenyfile The cloud saves are literally just copies of what you actually have on your computer, unless youre playing something that relies on the steam network (like items). Do you trust yourself to make backups?
As someone with low quality internet, I'll always prefer physical copies over cloud.
With shitty internet your Google Stadia would be useless anyway so why even bother
I mean, I have shitty internet too, but still I only own 55 Physical games, and the rest is all digital (300+ games, across PC/Steam/Origin/U Play, Wii, 3DS, Wii U and Switch.)
I don't even know why. I guess it's just the fact that I'm not as old as other people, meaning "age rated" games are harder to get physically than digitally. Also, everyones obssesed with the idea of not having to leave you're house for 15 - 20 Minutes too get a game, but rather just instantly buying it at home. Still, a bigger fan of Physical games tho (Surprisingly).
Same, and personally I like to have the disc physically, not that I hate digital format but I just prefer to have physical in case something happens that may affect a digital game
@@strikeforce1500 Me too. I'm worried that f.e. Steams Server's may once shut down (Or The Nintendo eShop, just an example), and I'll loose all downlosded games.
@Pyro The problem is that Stadia would really only be useful to people on a budget for gaming. Meaning they can't really splurge on good internet, let alone a full console and $60 dollar games (along with their expensive DLCs to actually be fun). They do not know their market.
Imagine an ad from Google will interrupt your game every 15 min
Oh great I only need to make this jump to complete the level. Boom ad. Fission mailed.
5 min lol
Don't worry! For just $19.99 a month you can buy Stadia Pro +! No ads, and we'll even throw in a 5% discount on future game purchases!!! Isn't that epic, fellow gamers!???
Oh come on. They would never do this....at launch.
*Every death an loading screen
Call me old fashioned but I still prefer physical over digital
BearCore 667gaming same
A rational human being. A rare find indeed.
amen brother
Not old fashioned, just common sense
Nothing like satisfyingly ripping off the brand new game case plastic, opening it pulling out the disk and looking at it's perfect reflective posterior then sliding it in the console for that satisfying instant start up (no further install required) maaaaan i miss those days
Gaming as a service is a fraud.
You will never own your games when you stop your monthly subscription fees.
The idea of needing to Internet to play games is ridiculous.
You're confusing lazy cut-out content games aka games as a service with limited selection games aka streaming
If you have any digital games, you don't even own those games. You own the license to play it and the company who is providing you with the digital service can at any moment revoke your license. Stop pretending that not "owning" games is a new thing.
@@adrianlim5144 I'm pretty sure that people mean that as in "The game is in my system and can be booted without an internet connection", obviously that varies from game to game. That being said, when was the last time a company came to your house and blocked your access to a certain game?
Yes but what about games being taken away because of licensing reasons. you're basically saying these companies do not revoke because they're respectable and would never do such a thing. The point is companies can abuse they're power and have done so before. Remember P.T? Well, you can't play it anymore. why, because Sony revoked the license from us.
@@foodini666 but still, you have to buy them at full price and almost alot of people own PC, ps4 xboxone, and Nintendo switch so stadia is useless
- $150 minimum upfront, plus $10/mo, plus $60 per game for newer releases
- must have a reliable connection to Google's servers to use
- no personal copies of your games even if you pay $60 for it
Man Google, you drive a hard bargain
Plus you can bet that even before this would put stress on internet traffic , net providers will milk this and use it as an excuse to hike prices
That minimum upfront is just for early access and includes 3 months where you don't need to pay $10/month. It also includes 3 months that you can give to a friend.
Actually, It's free for 1080p, 60 $ per game, i have good internet cuz I don't live in a village, no copies of the game yes just like steam. Sounds like a great deal
@@AlexSKS "no copies of the game yes just like steam"
When you buy a game on Steam you download the files to your computer. Theoretically you could reverse-engineer the DRM, uninstall Steam, and still play it.
When you buy a game on Stadia it never leaves their servers, you just see the output. There is never a chance to access the actual files, so if you lose access, you can't play it.
These are not the same thing.
@@dimethylhydra I agree it is not the same thing, but for me personally I don't fear Google to just dissolve Stadia and my games with it. If this were to happen there would be outrage and developers/Stadia might just give a way free copies or refunds. But I understand people who want a physical/Digital copy with them, but personally I don't care
In my opinion cloud gaming should NOT be the future.
Its gonna be an option for sure, but it will not be the future
Roxas Yeah, there are some things that should stay as they are.
I like your opinion
In my opinion internal-combustion engine vehicles should NOT be the future.
It won't. Not unless Google overhauls the nation's entire internet infrastructure.
"Google Stadia's Pricing Model Kills It For Me"
What?! What kills it for me it is that it is a frickin' streaming service.
I just don't see what is interesting about not owning my games either digitally or physically
That is because you have the consumer perspective. If you have the corporate perspective the money fleecing possibilities are endless. All with the bonus of total control of your game. No used game sales eating your massive profit margins either.
Me either. Also, TH-cam is trying to tell us what we can and can't watch via bans and demonetization. Imagine what they'll do to the gaming industry if they get their claws on it.
We are a different generation, Stadia could have been very successful 2 generations from now. And the business model is not enticing to consumers.
They can kill your digital copy at any moment they see fit.
I'm on the same boat. But I think what Google is going for is the convenience of being able to play wherever on whatever device you want. This was the Switch's selling point with portability, but now you can do it with whatever console you want, on whatever device you want, and the experience is further streamlined through browser integration. There's a lot going for it, but I still agree with you and with Yong here. Being tethered to the internet makes this an unreliable proposition.
This is just online DRM for single-player games.
and every game being sold as a subscription...
People are happy to be taken advantage of. Meanwhile, Google will be more than happy to partner with Facebook to sell your credit card and social security numbers to the black market
@@DaFro3713 people like you are just stupid... yes google and Facebook sell your data but it's not as personal as you might thing... you are not special to them, you are just one number in the statistics.
@Mega Aciej or to make them annoyingly grindy with other possible monetization options... Which they already do
@Mega Aciej not continuing to buy their games also does that without boundlessly increasing the cost... having an attitude of "if I just throw more money at it it'll get better" is why things are already how they are.
As an Australian i can tell you our NBN infrastructure is rubbish... I can push between 60/72mbps on a good day during non-peak hours but that can quickly drop to under 10mbps.
Cloud gaming in Australia would be a f*cking terrible idea and currently could not work in a wifi environment.
Also it's as anti-consumer as you can get... Your paying a subscription service fee then paying full price for new release titles except you don't own them.
Why the hell would you do something that f*cking stupid!?!
Is it really convenient to play a game on every type of supported device just because the technology exists?
I'd argue no...
Not only are you paying basically a full priced rent fee for the "right" not ownership to play that game but changing devices means changing control schemes, resolutions and one of the most important elements in gaming 'which is immersion.
Let's not forget the amount of job losses the entire industry would suffer from the use of this tech 'if it was mainstream and that the people that benefit the most aren't the consumer.
Convenience my ass... This is what will bring down the industry and f*ck the gamers over!!
Wise words, friend
S-clone What job losses?
Physical distribution is already dying so not sure what jobs would be lost? It’s the same as buying it digital, doesn’t touch jobs.
Only difference is you own your digital software license and your data is stored locally
I sit at 10mps most of the time. *cries in Australian*
exactly it varies, and its a fact they cant get around the latency, doesnt matter how fast the internet is
It's not even going to be available in Australia...
The fact that it's Google is enough for me to avoid like the plague.
They're either canceling it 2 years later or...
They're developing a messaging app specifically for Stadia right now. And cancel it 3 months after unsuccessful release. 😎😎😎
And here you are, on TH-cam. Owned by Google.
@@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou
Yeah they just bought TH-cam, they didn't come up with it themselves.
I was on TH-cam before it was owned by Google and liked it better.
@@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou There is not reasonable alternative to TH-cam. Everything I want to follow (podcasts, lots of independent news sources, etc) is only on TH-cam.
With gaming, you have many choices - PC, console, mobile, switch, you can buy physical games, or pick between Steam, GOG, etc.
TH-cam has a monopoly. I would love to use something else, but I can't. It's the only Google product I still use (and, well, android - where the alternative is Apple). But not gmail, not chrome, not drive.
@@IdRatherNotHaveAHandleThankYou like the other dude said, there is no competition to TH-cam. I guarantee you that if there was, I'd jump in a heartbeat
"You know what gaming needs? MORE LAG!"
-nobody ever
If "LAG" means Love Ambition Google, then yeah I think Google might say that.
If "Lag" means log alligator gatorade hitler, then yeah I think Google might say that.
Exactly.
If LAG means Laugh At Google, yes we all need it
Shows it off on massive fiber backbone with a dozen network engineers monitoring the demo. Your experience - **results may vary**
If you watch closely, you can see noticeable lag between him moving the mouse and the character moving.
@@Knowbody42 wich is funny knowing they are ON STAGE. With Massive internet connection speeds and like a dozen engineers around backstage lol
This stadia thing is flawed already i tell ya
@@Knowbody42 i now lol it's shit give it 20 years and mabby
Think about what you just said. All attempts at cloud gaming having failed miserably so far and you categorize it as easily achieved. I'm sure you can configure the family router like nobody else, but you might be slightly off on this one
I played the beta (ACO) extensively (probably about 40-50hrs) on a 100mb connection and I never had an issue once.
Never noticed any input lag either
I'd rather go with GOG (Good Old Games) instead, DRM-free
And you can keep the installer saved on your ssd/hdd for as long as you want. They cant and dont want to pull the plug. They provide quality service, really listening to gamers. And I respect them for that very much.
Its kind of surprising how they are not more popular.
@@kadenturnbull6545 the website itself and its proper name is GOG.com it just used to be called good old games.
@@egghead6048 oh aight
That's the acronym? Damn now I have an even HIGHER opinion on GOG now.
GOG is the best store ever, as in how it works. if there's a game there, that's where you should get it. always.
Yeah, this is not how the future should be, screw this.
Cloud Gaming is definitely not something made for the benefit of the consumer.
it could be, though... just not as a stand-alone service
Live services for software almost never are.
the idea of inclusion without reaching high end hardware is very nice. the pricing and unreliability is what makes me concerned.
"I fear no man, but that thing"
*streaming gaming*
"It scare me"
Anything but the 'straming'
I t ' s s c a r e m e
This is too funny
please, teach us your ultimate stram tech
*STRAMING IS THE NEW GAMING*
The future can stay distant.
Amen.
Correct.
👌
Stadia will censor and demonitize gamers too. Why give them any more money?
I keep hearing Jim Sterling's derisive "games as a suuuhhhrvice" in my head as I watch this video.
Trrrriiple aaaaaaaayyeeee
Thank God for him.
Thank God for him.
Hypello talk Gov? 😅
Liiiivvvee services
$160 stadia
$30 to 80 subscription?
$60 game plus$100 of micro transactions
$80 internet
$200 my bank account
well i guess im not playing games this month
j dogg huh??
Except those aren't even close to the announced prices of Stadia, or you can choose the free version and just buy your games like any digital storefront
.....and play your game at shity quallity
that is a starter kit..nothing more or nothing less. if you have chrome and a xbox controller...than you dont need to buy anything else. 1080p 60 is FREE.
the sub if you want 4k. for a console player who has to pay 10$ for a NON optional online play...uhm...an optional sub is not an issue. just another fake rage over here
@@BrotherO4 yes, the free service with no release date, probably rigged with ads and lovely queues, unless they want to gift you a PC for 300 hours Just because you bought some 10$ game
I'll keep my Switch for portability. And owning my games.
i will keep my ps4 and pc for good multiplayer and offline shit with the switch (because switch online is shit)
@@jwatsss453 same here. Perfect setup.
@@jwatsss453 both things youre talking about arent portable and switch online isn't even bad lmao
grumboo it’s trash and has no security it happens everytime with Nintendo consoles
grumboo the latency? Don’t get me started
No access to data, save files or mods. And once servers go down you can't play it, bad internet and you can't play it, google screws up and you can't play it, no such thing as offline mode and etc.
No thanks.
Even if you have a great internet connection and the framerate is great your frametimes might suffer incredibly.
Also INPUT LAG in single player games
to be fair no access to data save files or mods allows these game to not have cheaters at all (looking at dark souls remastered)
@@ak1996able There are cheaters in ds games....
I agree with this guy fuck that idk what google is thinking
That why i didnt buy or play bc the servers MIGHT go down... Bc i couldnt play them. Ughhhh
Fortnite
Pubg
Destiny
Division
Warfram
Any moba
Any mmo
Cod
Battlefield
Rainbowsix
Overwatch
Requires you to be dependant on something, i'd rather not do this, physical copies ftw!
You're dependant on things all the time if you play multiplayer games. If you strictly play solo then I could see you having a point.
I want my games to have LAN modes, being Internet something both secondary and irrelevant.
More specifically local copies for the win.
@Smattless Physical copies have similar issues as downloaded copies. Both can become unplayable, scratches/breaks and corrupted drive.
Tf is a physical copy
Ah yes. These days some games can never be played after servers go down. If this sort of thing spreads we wont even have the game files. I can see AAA companies loving this shit
Exactly why I'm not liking this one bit. Hope it crashes and burns.
Not that I really play AAA games outside of a few exceptions, but still.
@@TearThatRedFlagDown Yeah. Still imagining a really good AAA game releasing then them pulling the game for whatever reason many, many years down the line and it just vanishing never to be played again is a horrible thing. And something I can totally see AAA companies doing.
I bet they'd love to do that with their older games like Baldurs Gate 1 and 2, Kotor etc. Imagine how much sales they could get if they pulled them offline ages before they started selling them again. If you want to play the game you got no choice. And oh hey no piracy too.
Crash and burn crap is pretty stupid to say.
@@WolfyboiRTCT It's just a figure of speech but you're entitled to your opinion, mate.
Even if it's stupid.
@@TearThatRedFlagDown I know it is a figure of speech but it is still stupid to say you want something to ultimately fail cuz you don't like it.
Remember folks
NEVER PRE-ORDER.
Specially new stuff like a "digital console service"
Heard it in echo voice from R6S
Yep, pre-ordering is for idiots. Why pay for something you don’t fully know about? It made sense back in the day, when physical copies of a game were limited and you didn’t want to drive around going from store to store, checking if they still had it in stock. With digital, pre-ordering is just plain dumb and ONLY benefits the publishers/devs.
I’ll wait until gameplay and reviews are out now, before I buy a game.
I hate game as a service like this. You dont own anything. Gaming is good when its physical, period.
Either if it's physical or if you possess the files in your hard drive or something. Point is, you must possess something that you can't be separated from over the internet
@@zeul787 no, even digital content can be taken away. If you use Steam, Epic, XB store, PS Store, etc, games are only liscensed to you and at any point egen when bankrupt, they can deny anyone access to their games. If you use GOG then you own your games somewhat.
I prefer physical just became I don't want to install 60gb games ever time I want to play the game straight away or if my mate asks me to play a game I have but I don't have it installed guess we ain't playing it
Disc all the way. I like actually having something that isn't fairy dust and rainbows.
@@mycelia_ow Not entirely true. Valve has stated that they plan to allow people to to still access the games they bought on Steam if something went wrong and Valve had to shut Steam down for good. Epic would probably take everyones games away, though. Wouldn't be uncharacteristic of them.
It is way too early for cloud gaming. Input lag, lag in general, no access to game's files, no modding, no save data manipulation, requires a constant connection to the internet, requires the service provider to have its shit together and above all else the pricing model needs to be fair. There are just way too many disadvantages.
I'll stick with owning my games, thank you very much.
And visual compression artifacts in the video as well, just like any other streaming. There's a reason people still buy lossless compression Blurays. It's still technically clearer visually than streaming, even with 4K streaming you're still bitrate limited and they compress the video. Bitrate is where a lot of the video clarity comes from which a lot of people overlook or aren't aware of -- moreso than just pure resolution numbers. When you're running the game on your own local hardware, not only is the input delay lower, but the visual clarity will always be better as well since it's not having to be compressed AT ALL -- just straight raw from your video card's frame buffer right to your monitor.
You're beyond stupid if you think that you've actually owned game in the last 25 years. At most you've owned the disc or cartridge it sits on.
Yusblind 5G will make it capable of running smoothly. Alternatively, 5G is probably going to give all of us cancer. There’s been all sorts of protests that the media has ignored as of late, and I wasn’t pissed until they put a 5G tower behind my little siblings’ elementary school.
@@-Devy- Depends on the game. If it can be played offline then you own it. If you have all the data needed to run it and you don't need an internet connection the company can't take it from you.
Yes, technically you don't own the games if you read the fine print. With that said, no game publisher is ever going to come to your house and take your disc from you, meaning you will always be able to play offline games. This is not an option with a digital only future.
No thanks. I'll stick to what physical is left on consoles. And drm free when I can on PC. I dont want my games to have anything to do with Google.
ForbiddenMachina Agree, i'm fine with Google just as a navigator.
@@zalabit927 I'm actually trying to get away from Google as much as I can. The only thing I still use that is Google is Gmail and my Android phone.
I've changed my browser and my search engine and I haven't looked back.
ForbiddenMachina Ah sh*t that's right, i could use Firefox instead.
@@zalabit927 I actually went to Brave browser. Chromium based so its just like chrome, but it has a built in ad-blocker and script blocker as well.
@@Sean-dg6hn Have you looked into custom roms for your phone?
I will not support streaming in any way shape or form. If this is the only option then I will go retro full time..
You and me both, my friend. You and me both.
Cool. You still buy music CDs as well?
@@16xthedetail76 hey not everybody's into that keep it to yourself
@@numptyur when stadia servers go down and everything you ever bought on it is lost forever you won't be cracking jokes about it anymore
@@16xthedetail76 but i dont need minimum 10mbps internet speed to play a live music stream.
1:07 no input lag? Look at the lag between mouse and monitor. Thats a deal killer. No way to play fp shooter.
Yeah, even with the controller, it looks like he presses the jump button so many times before he jumps on the statue.... Unless that button does something else?
I bought the founders pack because I'm a fool for new stuffs below $200 lol. But my hopes arent high lmao
Stadia has only ONE pro which is only applicable to people who don't own a console or mid/high end PC..
Meanwhile the list of cons has no end. 🤦🏼♂️
Exactly, and one of the problems here is that those people are also some that play on their phones, and complain if a game is 5 ou 10 bucks, but then can spend hundreds in a f2p game full of microtransactions. Publishers want that ofc, and a future with streaming only is the future they wish the most because of shady things like this, because they could capture all of those casual gamers.
Then again someone with low to mid paying subscription AND full price game? I have my doubts
@@OwinBlazer cheaper to pay sub and game then go pay for game and play on your own machine. Remember the cost of running games on your PC, which is higher than stadias subscription
This is what confuses me the most about Stadia at the moment. It's clearly meant for folks who can't or don't want to spend much on games and don't care about issues like latency, but requires a strong and likely expensive Internet connection.
On top of *that,* though, it uses a pricing model that is the worst of both worlds(you have a month sub fee, PLUS you have to purchase individual games).
The pricing is just a mess, and the tech/infrastructure just isn't there yet. It could work well if they keep working on it until they hit on a good pricing model and things catch up...but it's Google, so I doubt that'll happen.
That con is streamings con's in general. I find it funny people think that this is the future. 65 hours and your 1 TB limit is up, yeah people are really going to be lining up for that.
It was always gonna be a hard no for me. This just reaffirmed my decision.
reason one, google
Primitive physical copies
When the nintendo switch was first revealed..many people assumed that it will fail. They mocked it laughed at it but look at them now.
Same applies to Stadia. First reveal, people gonna shit on it, but technology advances over time! Imagine playing RDR2 on your fking mobile phone!! I see a high potential gaming leader going forward and im hell willing to invest in this. This is the future of gaming.
MS / Sony said they are not worried, they will eat their words one day.
@@jigglypuff5480 Hopefully you like politically correct games, because that is what you are going to get with this.
@@striper70 What? How is Google any more PC than Microsoft or Nintendo
Google shuts down Stadia, oh damn all my games i bought are GONE. Forget it.
And I imagine that the same would happend with your steam library right? or with your physical games without the day one patch right? or without the servers? cmon thats a very very weak argument
@@urssusoso4934 day one patches are not gone forever what are you talking about
@@urssusoso4934 and steam games have local files which you can play, you don't need to be online
@Chris Goody If you had them before the game was gone it remained. Also I don't approve of cloud games in general, GOG's approach is the most consumer friendly
@@niceone550 Im talking about that for everyone of your games in steam you only purchase a use license, its not your´s and if the game its remove from the plataform or steam its shut down you will loose all your games. The same point you make againts stadia
I think Stadia is going to fail.
Not because of it's pricing or it's availability, but because Google servers have been really unreliable lately.
If Stadia servers are going to be anything like TH-cam servers then we can expect major downs at least once every couple months.
When the new console come out at 600 dollars or you can play all the new cool games on Stadia without buying a console. GAME OVER.
@@Chrisace89 No !! It's not a native experience will always be much better than the streaming experience unless someone has a great internet connection which is not the case for most parts
@@frequencyatom7052 no fuck off
@@Chrisace89 you still have to pay for stadia
@@sneakysnake7695 Stadia is free why is this so hard to understand?
More corporate control and less physical ownership? Nah fam
This exactly
If that is your concern you are too late man. They already have all control. This won't get them more control, they already have all control
@@pizzapunt3960 it's a massive difference having the files on your PC and having them unaccessible in a far away cloud PC.
@@Isaax depending on the store you buy from there is no difference
To be fair Im a PC gamer and have not owned a physical game in over 10 years.... so physical ownership has been dead to me for a long time.
I don't care for Cloud gaming, shitty pricing model or not.
Thanks but no thanks...
Old man. Get fibre
@@nahimiYT I got fiber. I want physical games please.
@@Dewi666 Then you have no reason to not want it. Physical games are undeniably worse than digital ones. By far.
@@nahimiYT how so? If the internet goes down you cannot play online only games, you cannot update digital games that require updates to start.
Physical games are perfect from those 2 major issues
@@nahimiYT Fuck that shit. I need to actually own what I buy. The games industry already has too much control over consumers.
Call people "old" all you want, but dumbass children like you don't understand the world yet.
An all digital future benefits only the suits... not the creatives and not the consumers
the moment we have ONLINE only no customer hardware required games is the moment I stop playing games.
I will only stop playing NEW games. There will always be an old game to entertain me.
Bye
@@Nojintt Bye
I don't see pc gaming going anywhere soon. Modding is impossible with Stadia. The kind of freedom a PC offers as platform can't be replaced by cloud gaming
It's the endgame for developers/publishers. Where the concept of 'owning' a game is dead and you pay a re-occurring charge. They can do whatever they want with the game at that point because you're not paying for something you own. You're paying for the opportunity or 'privilege' to use their 'service'
So in essence you buy a game for full price and then lose access to it once Google shuts down Stadia like they do with almost all their services. Great idea!
For the games included on the subscription service side, consider one thing that's pretty common with Netflix: Licensing deals ending or for whatever reason a game/movie being removed from their lineup with zero warning.
Netflix warns you if you're watching that particular tv show or movie. I remember watching Blue Planet and before every episode i would get a notification that it was going to be removed in a month. They should show it when you browse too so you know if you want to bother watching something that is going to be removed in a month.
@@LordDeimosIV That would be very good. If I have 2 weeks before a, say, Bulletstorm is pulled from Stadia is one thing but if in 2 weeks a The Witcher 3 (or any other game that has 40-60 hours of content inside) is gonna be pulled then there's no reason to bother and rush through everything or risk to have the game removed before reaching the ending.
You've heard of games as a service, you've heard of premium console services, now get ready for...
*THE CONSOLE AS THE SERVICE*
The service is free though, and relatively cheap. All you need is an okay internet service($40 m/o with COX, for 30 mb/s) and chrome-cast ($35 or $60 for Ultra 4K).
@@joesummerlin3873 "the service is free" yeah right, last thing I wanna see is an ad every 15min, and a warning message that I have to purchase the premium service in order to continue playing....
Vayne Fox I don’t think that’s how it’ll work. In fact I don’t think their will be ads at all, similarly to when you turn your PlayStation on you’ll be greeted with a splash screen and options of games. You buy FS19 for 60$ and just play it. Because you buy games through Stadia they wont need ads to pay for it.
Edit - Your comment is a Hyperbole
@@joesummerlin3873 well then how are they supposed to earn if you can just play your game without subscribing??? Hmmm... Maybe selling your data???
From the things I've seen so far, it's around $10 a month for the service that'll get you games you can stream for free, but most Triple A games will still be full priced to play.
I swear, 4K gaming on cloud will eat more bandwidth than my cat, dog, and tortoise combined x2.
get an isp with no data cap. it wont cost much, softening the blow will be if you skip your precious $500 console.
It’ll eat more bandwidth than what you’d eat in a month
Ha sucks to be you! My dog is on a landline
alot of places only have one isp across north America there is no choice
Your pets eat bandwidth?
When you are such a tech giant that you create a product based on the assumption that everyone in the world is receiving a good enough Internet connection.
Rip stadia.
imagine buffering or dropping to 240p in RE4's water room its a no from me
Lol the hell is not knowing what the hell is going on and all of a sudden heart attack
😱😱😱😱
Idea is pretty cool but, Its way too exploitable for a business, which just scares me so i dont want it.
@Pyro Cable providers charging more money for brandwidth is probably the most scary issue most people seem to have. And its not unheard of that subscriptions like these have like "Super ultra premium" which may take previous aspects that were either free or in a previously offered deal. See, i as said this idea is cool, but im personaly careful before i commit to something of this scale.
@Pyro Outrage doesn't stop greed. You get a large population dependant on cloud exclusivity and I will bet you anything in the world prices will go up.
@Pyro as the fellow commenter said, Rediclious microtransactions and season passes are already deep anchored in the business even tho it should have died in its infancy as nowdays you practically buy half a game for 60€, i can name various titles going with that. Things that will breed from Stadia will do the same with time no doubt.
This is the type of mentality that holds back progress.
Pretty scary what they can control with it
"The only game we know you can play as part of the subscription is Destiny 2."
That moment you realise they're trying to charge 10 bucks a month for a game that's already announced as going free to play in the very near future.
The subscription would include Destiny 2: The Collection which includes New Light, Foresaken, Shadowkeep, and the season passes.
So in a sense it's actually a really good deal. Dont have to pay full price for DLC
@@nickdenino9297 you will only get Destiny 2 with Founders Edition I believe and that's 129$. Correct me if I am wrong, but that's what they showcased. There was no mention of Destiny 2 with Stadia Pro per se, only Founders Edition...
Destiny 2 is not going the free to play route, just some of the old content of destiny 2 will be free to hook others to waste money on the new future content
@@justsomeguy2142 Inside Gaming has a video out today stating Destiny 2 is going Free 2 Play around November.
So, you're saying that when Destiny 2 goes F2P, you can play it for free, even though you don't have a good enough computer for it? Nice!
I want this to fail and blow up in the customers faces. People need a wake up call when it comes to them losing their property rights in gaming and this would put a death nail in it.
Well... You got your wish lol.
>Be me
>mid glitch lich fight
>have to switch guns
>get ad that doesn't pause my game
>die
Fin
galaktikpotato aka scrub man if you use duct tape you won’t need to switch guns ;)
in middle of raid or boss fight and get a 10 minute ad.
Another step towards you not owning your games. I'll pass I think.
"Its called consolidation; strengthen governments and corporations, weaken individuals."
I'd like to know how this is going to affect client-side stuff, mainly mods.
That step exists for many years now with Steam, Xbox Live, Playstation Store etc. You don't own anything you buy from them.
I'd be fine with paying cheaper for a game that disappears once it's finished. Seriously, there's so many developers making quality games these days, who has time to play a game you already finished 10 years ago. I'm forever playing new games then they go off to the hidden folder never to be played again.
Yup, they only have to restrict you from access to their cloud/ ban you and you lose everything...
@@dhoelath6648 DRM isn't that hard to overcome. You can relieve pretty much any digitally owned game of those shackles and slap it on a flashdrive/HDD for storage, if one really wanted. No chance of that, or having access to the files whatsoever, with streaming.
Always online was bad since diablo3 was announced and is still bad, if something happens to them or you, no game, ban without a word, and more, yay online only
Exactly. That right there.
Exactly why getting games on gog.com is my highest priority; even if I already have it on steam.
If steam suddenly goes down, all those games go bye bye
Good old games gives you cloud sure, bur also the .exe installing file.
I already have them all saved on a drive so I can have them offline; all thats to gog.
Why isn't this standard? Cloud and .exe file download options!
@@WakoDoodle I almost exclusively buy from GOG. It is sad that more people don't buy from them.
@@WakoDoodle I hear ya.
I can see the draw but as far as I'm concerned they're selling *_the idea_* of ownership, not *_actual_* ownership.
It's like that music streaming service I saw (and I think failed) a few years ago. You paid a monthly subscription and all you had to do is choose from their millions of songs and make your own playlists, the idea they were trying to sell was that you didn't worry about bringing the right CD's to the park/gym/party/road trip, you didn't worry about the cases of CD's, you didn't worry about buying a CD at full price then finding out you only like one song out of the entire album, you just sign into your subscription and everything you want and nothing you don't is there.
However, I'm with you all the way on that shit. What if the service goes under? You don't keep anything because you don't own anything. You paid for air essentially.
What if a (game) streaming service decides to bend at the knee to some SJW/political correctness bullshit (which seems to be all the rage with companies right now) and decides to pull down or censor a game you've paid for?
What if the power goes out? What if the internet goes out, connection issues anyone? Driving where there is no signal, ever play handhelds on a plane? Not anymore.
And the ever present danger, however unlikely but NOT impossible, ...zombie apocalypse.
All the reasons you mentioned and more.
Even if you have a digital copy of the game, you still have the game (without that bullshit online DRM even for single player, of course). As far as I'm concerned a digital copy on your HDD/SSD is as good as the real thing.
I can see the draw with streaming games and if you have the money to burn then whatever, go for it. I personally don't see the pros outweighing the cons and prefer having the actual product in my possession. I'll be damned if I can't play games when there's zombies roaming around just because some company says so.
Sorry about the wall of text. I was on the shitter a little longer than I thought.
never sub to these things. making you pay for a game then pay again every month to play it, and if you dont pay, you cant? no thanks.
That's exactly Xbox Live
I mean have you used PS+ or GWG. They both do it. Also you don't need to pay every month if you buy the game outright it's free
If this flops, Sony and Microsoft would start rethinking their future cloud gaming plans. I would stay away as far as I can from this Stadia stuff then.
Im praying it flops streaming games can be annoying to a lot of people with slow internet or for people who have low data caps
I feel like Sony is making their version of cloud gaming just to fool proof their future regardless whether cloud gaming succeeds or not.
No they wont. Its inevitable that the vast majority of future gaming will be digital. To be honest I would rather not pay 200-500 quid for hardware to play games. That's 4-5 years of subscription alone.
@@kieranb3815 And a console's life span is 5-6 years so in the long run it's pretty much the same except you get to keep your console and games. It would be different if you don't need to pay for the game itself in addition to the monthly subscription. But you're right cloud gaming will stay in thr future but it won't takeover console or pc gaming.
@@arisart22 it will, because it's not driven by you or me, it's down to the next generation of gamers. They wont have nostalgia about consoles and physical games. Same argument with DVD players and film, look where that is.
Call me old-fashioned, but I like having a full game installed on my system or (shock horror) on a disc, so I know I've got the full thing I paid for with me.
I don't even like WATCHING streams, let alone playing them.
The whole comment section is with you my guy.
Just like niggas who didn't want to move to mp3 y'all sound like dumbfuck boomers to the max
Post Internet explorer explain to me how this will be mainstream
Post Internet wow, your grammar is literally blowing my mind
@@whales0310 That guy must've had a really bad day. Or a third grader just letting out all the curse words he learned.
30Mbps link at home
"Yay! I can play Stadia at really good quality!!"
Someone else: Starts Torrent
BOOM
*FBI wants to know your location.*
Do i want to watch porn? Or play stadia???
@@a11abubeck Are you saying that you watch porn while gaming?
I tried the "test" and it says I have a download speed of 41mbps and I actually only have 15 o.o
Professional esports player ....
Torrent:im gonna ruin this mans whole career.
I just don’t support any of this cloud shiet call me old school but i like physical games
I have zero interest in cloud gaming.
Whenever someone brings it up, all I can think of is 'playing my games on someone else's computer'.
@Kyle Castloo lol why u hate google so much?
@Kyle Castloo why are you on TH-cam then? Seeing it's a platform owned by Google.
@@adrianlim5144 then why are you supporting Google then? They show their true color and is the Same color as EA
@Kyle Castloo No, you wake up. You're so adamant about not supporting Google yet you're using TH-cam. You're being hypocritical and it doesn't fit your anti-Google agenda. Stop using Google's services (including TH-cam) and then maybe you can talk all day about your Google conspiracy theories.
Until then you're just another hypocritical asshole.
@Kyle Castloo not taking any advice from someone who finds reading a few sentences too hard. Oh well, have fun with your ignorance.
One thing you never covered is ads. My worry is like TH-cam they might after it is established start adding ads everytime you wanna play
about to beat this boss....but wait do you want to buy some cat food?......i dont own a cat...
Jesus christ I've already had three ads in a row on youtube once before, one at the end of the video and two consecutive ones at the start of the next. This is why I run adblock on literally every device I've ever owned. Now all I need is a way to put it on mobile. Google is just turning into a fucking shitshow with this nonsense.
You are paying, no ads should appear, same goes if you pay for youtube premium
Edit: nevermind I didn't watch the full video
TH-cam does not cover everything you watch with ads the content creators do monetization is not a standard enabled feature your just as likely to see ads on stadia games as you are on xbox and playstation
Oh i'm sure it'll have it
Stream gaming will work when everyone's on Tera-fiber and there are millions of nodes. In other words, about 40 to 60 years from now.
> Tera-fiber 40 to 60 years from now
Optimist
You are overly optimistic there. On a global level we are at least 70-80 years away from this. It would be a collosal undertanking both financially and technologically.
35 mbps? That's nothing
That's assuming people even want it.
Personally I couldn't care less for it.
To me that's like saying it's a massive undertaking to lay a trail of turds all across the world that everyone can smell.
@@Tinnur_ Not to mention graphics 40-60 years from now will demand way more bandwidth.
Cant wait for ads popping up every 1 minutes and force you to buy microtransaction 🤣 google stadied
I'm kinda getting Ouya vibes from this (except Google is funding it). Just a feeling.
How many times will they say Television in the next coming months lol
Controller looks like shit
Juicero
lol Ouya. It was not even remotely as outrageous as this yet failed miserably. I smell disaster at launch, but google will keep pumping money into it to keep it afloat until everyone forgot it even exists, to save face, then they'll pull the plug and poof, those stupid enough to have bought all this shit will be left with overpriced paperweights and an unjustifiable hole in their bank account. But there won't be any massive backlash because it will only concern a few hundred of thousand people worldwide.
It's still worrying for the future of video games, but I can't help but laugh at this idea that google will lose and make lose a tremendous amount of money on shit most people knew from the get go couldn't work.
Paying full price just to _rent_ a game? And for a max of 65 hours? Screw that noise.
What?
@KDingo81 either buy physical or from GOG at every opportunity
@KDingo81 when I was talking about physical discs I meant consoles. But yeah not much point in buying physical PC games unless they're older. My copies of Morrowind and Oblivion both have the games on disc, but Skyrim just links to steam
@KDingo81 With services like Steam you can at least make offline backups of everything in your library. Valve (I've no idea about Epic, EA, etc.) has also gone on the record stating that in the event of a shutdown they'd push a de-DRM patch (or something along those lines) so you could play anything you'd backed up without needing to connect to their servers. Even in the event that Valve didn't, you can rest assured that, "someone else," would.
Steam shutting down would be pretty disastrous, but you could preserve your gaming library (albeit with some effort). Cloud gaming.. well, you're up excrement creek without a paddle - it leaves you entirely at a corporation's mercy.
You rent the game until you stop paying for stadia or it stops existing
Yeah no thank you, i like owning my games.
Keep in mind, any game you've bought that has DRM, you don't necessarily own.
@@nigralurker you can always pirate after you buy the license to make sure you own it
Technically you dont own your games. You own the license to play it.
@@riseoftheflutes1739 Untrue. Games bought through places like GoG are DRM free. You 100% own those games. (also physical games you own, provided it isn't online required, that copy is 100% yours as well.)
RiseOfTheFlutes stfu
I'm so excited to pay for games and then not own them and then also depend on my internet service quality to play the single-player games I just bought. Sounds something that every gamer would love to do!
Thanks for the breakdown. I had minimal interest in Stadia to begin with; now I have none :D
It's quite biased, though.
ಠ_ಠ all news is.
@@DiaXisHD it's pretty objective actually. He told us how it's not really viable right now because of the internet speeds and data cap.
@@DantesInferno96 That's true. Data caps are an issue. But Google has shown 720p 60 fps was viable at lower ends, below 10mbps. That's more than enough for the average user. And the way he structured the video, all pessimistic views.
@@DiaXisHD average users play on full HD so that's kind of the point. 720p was the standard 8 years ago. These days everyone has 2k TVs and monitors. Playing on 720p would not be suitable. So this entire thing isn't viable right now
Stadia/Google: "You get Destiny 2 for free!"
Bungie: Destiny 2 is F2P now
OOF
Yeah didn't realise that!
Shadowkeep and Forsaken+2019 Annual Pass aren’t F2P. And those come with Stadia Pro.
shadowkeep comes with stradia pro . the rest does not
Only the base Destiny 2 experience. The Stadia subscription will include evrry dlc and expansion. Nice try on your misinformation though, even if it completely drops flat.
I literally like nothing, absolutely nothing about this.
its like playing games but just worse, there is no way they can get around the latency doesn't matter how fast your connection is, the latency will be there
Then this is not meant for you, this is meant for people with bad pcs that can't play this games normally
Not even playing PS5 games without buying a PS5 (eventually)?
It's not for you? You have high end PC? You have Ps4, plan to buy PS5? Then this is not for you.
@@hex110 I don't think people who can't afford pcs can afford that crazy internet connection.
Stadia pro is $10 a month, multiply that by 12 to represent the whole year. That's $120 a month for access to a small amount of games you don't have to pay for, all the others you will have to pay for and require constant internet to play not just multiplayer games but single-player games too.
PS Plus 1 Year Subscription (in Australia where I live) is $80 and gives me access to new free games every month, online multiplayer (which is a bit of bullshit since they didn't do that on PS3) and good size of personal cloud storage plus deals on games and DLC pretty much every month as well.
Cloud Gaming is not the future.
Cloud gaming with a Netflix model could be. Not sure why google thinks it can work any other way
Exactly who is ‘games as a service’ for?
Those who don’t own a:
Console
Switch
Mobile device
Decent pc
Yet have:
Fast reliable Internet
Have money to burn every month
Don’t mind never owning their games.
Seems more like game publishers and their major investors want ‘games a service’, than actual gamers.
For those who don't own a:
Brain
Its sounds like perfect for my Dad. He has mentioned wanting to try gaming again after 20+ years, but he don't want to buy a gaming pc/console or any games. Yet he has fiber internet, so this could be cool :)
Leif Moen does he have a modern pc?
There are countless retro games and emulators out there that are run on modern hardware that you don’t even need gaming PCs.
Pyro how low though?
Who doesn’t have any of the things mentioned?
Console, Switch, decent pc, or mobile device.
There are heaps of games you can play on modern non-gaming PCs at reasonable settings without the need for Internet and monthly subscriptions while all the while owning your games...that’s a pretty low entry level already.
@Pyro barrier to entry for PC gaming is one of the lowest, there's hundreds of good free games that run on potato hardware
20Mbps = 2.5MB per second
60 x 2.5 per 1 minute = 150MB per minute
60 x 150 per hour = 9,000MB or 9GB per hour
Only uncapped unlimited internet package can handle this bandwidth.
@@SomsoKca yes and i have unlimited data since day one only this year i got 100mbs speed but still i have 0 interested in cloud gaming phisical copies for ps4 and steam for pc i want own my games not to rent them
111 hrs is not bad.
I want my games to last forever, not to last until the moment a lawyer says the license for the music tracks have expired
@Beat My Meat less*
9gb = 9216mb
My problem with digital purchases is that they can stop support at any time and if you don't have the games you bought downloaded you can potentially be screwed. Wii is losing support here very soon just as an example.
No problem for steam, steam have assured if Steam ceased to exist, game company will (or obliged to do so in their contract with Valve) to patch the game to make it "steam-free"(standalone launch).
This is one of the reasons i have never bought a digital version of any game and never will. Also i like having a nice collection of games, or movies for that matter, on my shelves.
There's downsides to literally everything. Discs they can be scratched, snapped in half, lost or stolen nothing is perfect.
@Super JLK then RELOADED and SKIDROW exists.
@@Regnier575 Yeah. There are even physical games that you literally can't get anymore, either. It's basically the same as the complaint the op is making. If these physical games are no longer being made and you don't already have one in your possession, then you're fucked unless you find someone else who has it.
Without net neutrality I cant wait to have to pay extra on my ISP to have the full streaming package, to be able to use this in a few years.
I can't tell if that was sarcasm or not
No noticeable input lag as long as servers are in your building
Had coupe million of people playing and lag gonna follow.
No joke. I don't know how it is on consoles, but on PC you can feel the difference between 20ms and 50ms ping. And that's without having to constantly stream full-size video at a stable FPS. Even if, at best, you only had to deal with micro-stutters of both the input and video (since those would be connected) from time to time, it would still ruin the experience.
5g is supposed to be 1ms ping, at that speed input lag would be unnoticeable. I'll still stick with my consoles for now though I think
@@wildwarturkey8356 1ms between your finger and the device maybe. To the server and back though? Along with 1080p+ streaming? I highly doubt it.
Pretty much! It turns out we had cloud gaming all along. We put the server on our desk :D
Cloud Gaming? Swipe Left!
I prefer to download the games than being at the mercy of an Incompetent Internet Service Provider and a Politically Motivated Company at the same time.
@Smattless And here Smattless is, not understanding, that even the digitally bought games, can be saved to your harddrive once downloaded or burned onto blank blue rays.
But what do i know, im just a talking gumball machine
@Smattless Oi m8. GOG is a thing, you know. It is DRM-free and allows you to download game istallations and store them however you want.
@Smattless 30 bucks is my cap for digital games, 60 for physical. Keeps the world intact and balanced.
@@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx This is surprising effective, nice idea
@Smattless you a idiot like there's like 2 to 3 comment are like has more then like then you and i hope you can still see the dislike
Yes because if there's anything I want, it's my PC to turn into an expensive console with a subscription.
Your sarcasm is amazing perhaps Google didn't make a product specifically tailored for just you maybe they made it for people who don't have PC or current generation systems just a thought but maybe a company like Google has no interest in turning hardcore gamers away from their favorite consoles or PCS I could only assume they wish to bring actual new people into the ecosystem which is the real reason why you're probably upset because I highly doubt you are actually offended that you can't watch Google's ads
Caleb Bruce His sarcasm should’ve shed light on how much you’ll be saving compared to how much you’ll be milked for, and you’ll see how building a pc and buying games on PC is a hundred times better than going the streaming route.
cosmosofinfinity Yeah, spend a one time payment of $2500+ money and then your internet connection, plus games. Or, pay for Google Stadia, pay for better internet if needed or be stuck with lower res, pay a monthly fee to play your games, and pay the same premium game prices to play them. In the long run, the first option is the logical one. I fail to see any argument where the Google Stadia option is the smarter choice, unless you’re impatient and would rather get milked by Google’s hands. I’m not here to tell you how to spend your money though, more power to you.
If done correctly cloud gaming can be a powerful secondary option if used when you're done playing your physical copy and you're trying to go somewhere you can play 3 hours or so on the go then return home to your physical or downloaded copy of the game but I hope they decide not to make cloud gaming number one because cloud gaming can never be number one we still need our physical copies in our hands this was a problem for many people when Onlive service turned off and it was a cloud gaming service and many people lost all their games they paid for it was a cool service but when it died you can see why cloud gaming doesn't deserve to be number one just a secondary option like for instance if you buy a game and want to download it and want to slow the download a little because you want to play the game now you can play the game while it's downloading so then you can play your download copy when the game is done
@@Echoesoftimelover lol $2500? I spent $1200 on mine and that was a high end computer, monitor included. The monitor was like $600.
Now you have to make a decision between an ultrabook and a gaming laptop or buy an ultrabook and a gaming desktop. With Stadia you only need an ultrabook and you can play the most demanding games without hearing the fan speed up a lot (still 4K demands more than FHD, so fan speed goes up a little) and getting your gaming laptop overheated and broken in a few years if you game a lot. No need for noise cancelling headphones to get rid of that horrible fan noise. No cheaters because you can't inject code in the game files because the files are on the server. Of course the downside is no modding unless they find a solution for that like letting users upload mods. But if they allow mods, they are probably going to be official paid mods like Steam used to do with Skyrim and Fallout 4... Basically microtransactions.
I'm not buying that crap. Don't care for it.
can't afford*
Same. And don't worry what "Sea Level Cain" thinks he obviously doesn't understand simple logic. I personally can't afford it, but I can also see that even people who CAN afford it, WHY should you buy it? There's NO real incentive to use it over already usable ways to play games. Sea Level Cain can waste his money, it'll be funny when his Internet goes out one day and he can't play xD
Sea Level Cain Yeah, he can't afford crap.
@@rolandhunt7542 No I would say it is the opposite. I got a nice ass gaming PC, why the fuck would I want to buy games to have to stream them?!? The only people interested in this are people who dont have good systems, so casuals or those without any money who would consistently feed into this shit and probably lose more money long term anyway.
Dont pander and dont yea !!!!!!!
WAY too early.
Anyone who knows about US infrastructure for internet knows that it would be one hell of an undertaking for Stadia to be viable in most places.
Companies have monopolies, and they would need a massive competitor to make better internet available in most of the country.
I know the US isnt the only country, but many others suffer similar issues.
Guess it's sucess will ride on how many people who are lucky to have great internet speeds usevthe service.
Not just that, just wait for the first DDoS attack. Especially if it happens anytime during the Holidays.
Aya Reiko Yep. The entire service down for a day or two or a PSN/XBL attack? A week.
APocketMonster Most countries in the world don’t have the internet speeds required to run the stadia at its fullest potential and those that have the infrastructure like the US and parts of Europe and Asia, only have it in *very* specific areas.
Not really. At least according to their requirement of 35 mbps. That's like the lowest cable internet available in most cities (From my experience).
At least up here in the North East speeds of 150 MBPS go for about $50 a month.
There's already satellites in orbit that aim to create a gigantic Internet network that will allow anybody to connect, no matter their location at full speeds. Girlll
I liked the part where he mentioned the 'no noticeable input lag' and yet while watching it I could swear there was noticeable input lag on the mouse movement vs the screen movement.
Absolutely, I noticed it too
Have you ever played any multiplayer game? There is always input lag before the server registers it, now you will just have that same lag in single players games, I truly think it would be negligible especially if you are used to playing an online game. A 0.1-second delay or 100 ms ping really isn't that bad, hopefully, they would roll out enough servers than that giving you even less delay though.
@@Nilloc1221 no, there was more than a 0.1 second delay. Visibly noticeable and more than any multiplayer game I've ever played
actually on second thought if you had 100 ms ping, you would effectively have 200 ms ping, because it takes 0.1 seconds for your inputs to register and 0.1 seconds for the stream to show the game react to your inputs. If they could get it down to 50 ping input delay wouldn't be bad. However, there are many games where ping is a non-issue.
@@Nilloc1221 There might be a delay in multiplayer games, but you wont notice it yourself because the movement is handled locally. That obviously doesn't work with streaming.
If this ever gains any form of traction and cloud gaming becomes an overnight success (which I really doubt), competing streaming services will have to counter with promises or features such as "all purchased games are available offline, yours to own, less latency etc." Which will could create a new market where game streaming becomes the new Netflix and be bogged down heavily with exclusivity deals with companies trying to obtain the next Xbox, PlayStation and Nintendo hit. Which will make people less likely to pay for a streaming service if all their games are on different services. This system has little to no chance of success if there ever is any.
Good, let's bury Games As A Service "full mode" before it takes off for good.
Tbh this is their evolution, Stadia provides a service (like Netflix), you are not buying a product, you are using it under permission of the service provider who will have any right to interrupt the service (also considering the relatively low price required to access it) whenver it wants.
You'll probably have a nice bunch of ads plastering the login+selection Home of the service, possibly already showcasing "The Best Deal" in microtransaction for game XYZ, and I believe that probably at least for the free (and low tier subscriptions) you'll have ads running while you play.
I might be very wrong, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with Stadia as a concept, if you are into it, I'm not. :)
Too late, games as service is in full force already with loot boxes/etc. Stadia is not attempting to necessarily do games as service, this is more of a competition against consoles. Don't have a PS4? Now you won't feel left behind.
Buddy this will aid games as a service aswell games that are sold to us 10% complete and the rest of the 90% comes later
This is the next step as games as a service. Its the worse step in the evolutionary ladder.
I'll stay with my physical copies. Thank you.
I know, right? Don't think they realise how much gamers love collecting games and collector's editions. And the casual gamers would rather stick with Netflix than this.
@@Galohide the guy who revealed stadia himself has no idea what gamers want, he only plays fifa19.
@@drftr6073 Oh wow. And Fifa is the most horrible form of gaming. Micro transactions have taken over so much on that game.
@@Galohide Gamers love playing games. If you collect games you have a different title, it's called a collector. Real gamers don't fall for "collector's edition" trickery and just enjoy the games.
@@niteip187 Gamers are people who are into gaming.... not just playing videogames, but talking about them, diving into the lore of their favourite games, byung collectors editions. there isn't really one way to be a gamer, but it's more than just playing games. someone who just listens to the radio isn't a music-enthusiast. Someone who can heat up water isn't a hobby cook...
people who enjoy wasting their hard earned money on videogames want something in return... those who just want to waste some time on videogames would rather have a neat little subscription
I don't care if the service was perfect and I had no data cap, I'm against trusting these companies out of principle. They will take this down worse and worse monetization schemes over time. Not thanks.
I wonder when they raise your monthly service fee later could you cancel it and still play the games you paid full price for? That is something we should be informed of before buying into their "virtual console".
@@Sabercat-ub9dc yes of course. You didn't pay attention to the video or something? The subscription fee is for free games and discounts on games you have to buy in the shop. You will be able to buy games and play them without subscribing
@@mbotela9979 Thats it? They will lose so much money on this.
@@mbotela9979 having access to your cloud games without subscribing is basically asking for "I dont care if this business doesn't have profits but I guess I'll continue", which is the very last thing you'll gonna hear in a company like google. If neither they dont do ads while you play or suddenly interrupting your game with a warning message "In order to continue to play this game have to subscribe to our premium services", I guess they can go and sell your data route, remember if the service is free, you are the product....