Lift or Lower your Toyota Pickup or 4Runner by adjusting the Torsion Bars
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- 2 Minute Tuesday: Adjusting your torsion bars is a quick and easy way to lift or lower your Toyota Pickup or 4Runner. Toyota Pickup's and 4Runner' from 1986 - 1995 came with torsion bars. The torsion bar is the mainspring or dampener for the Toyota off road suspension. tightening the torsion bar will allow you to lift the Toyota pickup or 4Runner but it will give you a more rough ride down the road. If you loosen the torsion bar you will lower your suspension and have a softer ride.
12 complete turns of the tensioning bolt lifted my truck 1.5 inches. This allows me to turn full lock to lock and not hit the tires against the inside of the wheel well. I was very happy with this easy quick solution to rise my Toyota off road truck, Lloyd.
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Since it's a Japanese truck the torsion bar bolt is metric. I'm doing it right now, it's 22mm
came here for this..
😂
I have a hammer that fits that. Crescent wrench lol
Lol I saw this comment just in the right time, saved me time thank you
Did the same thing to my 88 Toyota- changed my torsion bars to oldman Emu torsion bars (made a big difference 👍).
These old Toyota's are solid!🏜️✌️
Love them!
How tall is your lift
Dude, as a you tube learner, I thank you heaps for teaching me how to raised my Bighorn. Now I’m looking forward to apply what you have just showed me. I subscribed too.
Thanks mate. Haven’t been able to find a decent tutorial and this was finally the one. Made it much easier.
Glad to help
i dont even have a garage where i can work on my 4runner but i love watching your vids. They're always insightful and straight to the point! Thanks for the videos, keep it up!
Thanks I really appreciate it!
I work in the street on mine
I've never had a garage of my own and I've built several off-road trucks. Just work with what you've got!
Watching this video from nola. My ol lady laughed when you said you was hungover.
Better practice is to install 1.5” ball joint spacers in the front end. It will provide additional droop travel which will provide better handling characteristics over ruts and holes in the road.
I've actually bought some. I really dislike the ride with the tightened torsion bars. Im planning on installing 1.5" ball joints spacers and loosing the torsion bars back down to stock.
@@SnailTrail4x4 I have a 94 Toy truck with 3" bj spacers and heavy duty torsion bars.. works great for low cost lift.
Hmm.. I’ve talked to a few guys who ‘had’ BJ spacers and said it wrecked their BJoints prematurely.
@stoney renegade I've never heard that. But it did make the ride very uncomfortable. I'm going to be going to ball joint spacers soon.
SnailTrail4x4 did you already installed the bj spacers and if so what are your thoughts on them ?
Wow, That was easy . I always feared touching that adjustment and didn't know how. Back in 1993 a Yota guy did this an said his 91' truck ride got stiffer, so I left things alone on my 88' truck.
@3:50
12 X 365 degree turns huh? 😂😂
@@ahasaelee5236 some metric is the same as imperial sizes....
Lol, 360 degrees in a circle, 365 days in a year...
@@1966cambo no they are not, that’s how you strip hardware. You can get away with it but it’s never a good idea
@@TWIRKNOLOVE I know they are “close” , try and measure a bunch of different brand wrenches of the same size with a micrometer, lots of difference!
@@1966cambo A micrometer measures to the 10^-6 decimal, so yeah it would be acceptable if some metric wrenches have that much of a tolerance between each other - but the difference in SAE and metric is much more lol. Just best practice not to do it especially on aluminum hardware
Awesome pick up I just bought a 91..I haven't done much but cant wait to DIM. . Do it myself
so... How are those cv joints doing after a year of increased angle?
You answered my question I needed answered to finish my lift! Thanks for the video!
Great vid glad u remind me I forgot all about this system and I need to lift my land cruiser 100 series new tires bigger size up thanks so much
I would love to see all the videos on Loyd? Rear end work, tires, etc..... looks amazing and videos are awesome.
Sorry don't have the truck any more
You should do a follow up showing why an alignment is essential after winding up the torsion bars.
Really fast way to ruin tyres if you don't do it or get it done
I have a base 1994 Toyota pickup. I've watched general videos that explain how to remove the torsion bar, but yours explains simply to me how to adjust the height back to normal once everything is locked back into place. Thank you.
Happy to help! Thanks for the comment.
ah 90's. when liftup was cheap
So cheap it was free
Thanks, will try that as mine leans backward with new shocks :)
You you might need to lower yours then
I did this to a old blazer and effected the riide really bad, it was way to bouncy, maybe i needed to re ajust my shocks??? Dont know?
Is there any cons to timing up a torsion bars (lifting the vehicle) ? Such as premature wear on other parts or potentially breaking them ?
Yup. Changes angles on CV axles ball joints and steering components. Will eat all of them.
Is this similar on a 2wd pickup?
We used to do this back in the day...gnarly shitty stiff ride
Yes agreed
Nice. Just got a ‘90 SR5 xtracab 4X4 V6 auto with every factory option rust free extremely nice factory paint/graphics I’m thrilled to own one and got super lucky on the price.. how’s the ride after? Any cheap easy hack for a rear end leaf spring to axle spacer for rear lift?
Did it raise the hole truck or just the front
Just the front
Great video buddy that’s an easy lift right there.
Yeah, this lift is simple and free... I think I might actually go get a small lift for Lloyd, maybe 1.5 in, somewhere in that range.
SnailTrail4x4 right on. Couldn’t hurt
Love it!! Maby a video on body lifts?
Could someone PLEASE tell me if the rear leaf springs need to be adjusted after the torsion bar adjustment?? In other words, will I have to put spacers in between the leaf spring and u-bolt/shackle?
Yes, this only lifts the front
@@SnailTrail4x4 Thanks for the response!
Hi I wonder when you are going to lift the truck you need to loosen that top nut first and then turn on the other nut.
Yes!
Well hi 😂👌 the little guy is great
The Torsion Bar lifts the entire vehicle not just front or back?
Just front
Cool truck. How then you fix the camber? Need to correct my camber but don't see where to adjust is. Is with the torsion bars or with some bolts in the control arms?
I took mine to an alignment shop and the got it as close as they could but the camber was still off
@@SnailTrail4x4 with the research I made, to adjust the camber in these trucks, you need to add or remove shims, that are in the screws that attach the upper control arms to the frame. They are visible with the hood open.
I have a 1986 2wd, either the shocks are bad or the torsion bar is bad because I’ve tight it and it didn’t really lift up .
Well the shocks don't lift, they dampen the spring. So maybe your at the max. How much did you tighten, and we're you holding the nut on the top?
Awesome video! I have some serious rear sag in my 94' Yota pickup. I'm wanting to add some 2in lift leaf springs to the rear. Will I be able to just crank the torsion bars a bit to balance out the front from excessive rake? Also will I need to get an alignment after that? Thanks for any information!
Yes and yes.
Be careful of adda leaf, after a while they broke my stock leaf pack on my 88' sr5 4x4. But I did have a 1000. lb. camper in the back 24/7
Good video! Have you ever done the upper control arm bushings on that truck..they say the torsion bar must be removed...easy/ hard?..would be a great video as our trucks are getting older and their is no content on this subject..
I'm sorry Paul, I've never done it.
I have a 1991 Toyota pick up 3.0 V6 I wanted to know where is the torsion bar located?
Are you running 1" wheel spacers on your pickup here? It looks like it.
Hi SnailTrail4x4. Would greatly appreciate your opinion on this:
I recently got my hands on a Toyota 1994 Pickup, 4x4, 22RE truck. Truck's very clean and maintained at 260000 mi, however, previous owner apparently hit a curb or something with the front driver's side tire, possibly even got hit by that side, don't precisely know. Truck would lean to the left pretty harshly when driving. Caster was seriously out of specs, camber not so much. After some adjustment by an alignment shop, the truck stopped leaning and drove perfectly straight, but camber remained out of specs.
So anyway, truck was driving ok so, considering everything else is in very clean shape (body and frame are in perfect shape, no rust), I decided to keep it. Took it to a Toyota dealer which upon inspection found out that the left lower control arm rear mount is BENT UPWARD.
Thinking on it, I reflected that considering how overengineered these trucks are known to be, this shouldn't be so big of an issue. I mean with regards to risking breaking the mount or the frame area where it is welded to. Everything seems to be pretty solid and strong, no cracks are visible on the frame or around the mount. Also, I never really considered streightening the LCA mount or frame, better bent but still strong, than unbent but weakened.
So I again decided to keep the truck (in addition to engine work, I went on to change upper and lower ball joints, tie rods, steering relay rod (recall), as well as Old Man Emu steering stabilizer and front and rear shocks).
BUT THE THING THAT'S BUGGING ME NOW, is the left torsion bar, which I hadn't given much attention until now. Cause sometimes, when, for instance, having the left wheel turned halfway left, and at the same time the suspension on that side compressing-decompressing, as when entering a ramp, creaking-squeaking sounds can be heard from beneath the driver's side cabin floor. Other times, the sounds come simply from, wheel straight, the front end compressing and decompressing while driving over a - say - wide speed bump. I'm assuming those sounds are from the left torsion bar, and it has gotten a bit more frequent and louder over time. At first I thought "such sounds are normal in trucks this old", but then got thinking that maybe the left torsion bar was somehow also compromised by the hit the left front wheel took. So inspecting it, IT SEEMS TO BE SOMEHOW PUSHED UPWARDS where it exits the wheel well and goes beneath the cabin. There is actually not an inch of space between the torsion bar and the cabin, it seems to be actually in contact with the cabin metal floor.
I sincerely don't know if this is normal or not. However, the right torsion bar DOES HAVE AT LEAST 1.2 in of free space between it and the cabin, and doesn't touch anything at all anywhere along its full length. I would suppose torsion bars need to have some space around them in order to twist when working, but maybe I'm wrong.
So my questions are:
1) Is this normal?
2) When lifting the truck by tightening the torsion bar, does this actually widens the space between the torsion bar and the cabin floor? Maybe all my problem is is the left torsion bar is less tightened than the right side one if this is the case.
3) If the torsion bar, or any of its mounts (front or rear) are under abnormal stress from a probably bent frame, maybe I'm risking breaking something else if trying to replace the bar or even adjust it. What are the odds of this actually happening?
I'm just worried the torsion bar may break eventually, wouldn't want that to happen while driving at the highway :/ This truck's gonna be my DD and work truck.
THANKS for any advice!
#1. No
#2. No
#3. If the torsion bar breaks is kind of like not having a spring in the tire compress up into your wheel well. now if it will break anything else I am unsure and you should probably check with Toyota or a local trusted mechanic.
he did mention that you were concerned that one tortion bar might be tightened more than the other. I'm not really sure how to figure that out other than checking the height of each side and adjusting from there. There might be some way to count or measure the threads that are sticking out on one side compared to the other on the bolt that you tighten.
Standard sizes on a Toyota! Haha cool video bro.
I have the same problem with my 91 4Runner . So you lifted the front easily . Did it solve the problem? And, the car is now not leveled anymore , is it ? Isn’t the back „sagging“ now ? How to raise the back at the same time ?
Thank you 🙏🏻
You need new leaf springs with a bigger arc, or some spacers
What is the maximum lift you can put with this method?
So tightening the torsion bar would make for a stiffer ride right?
Yes, you are correct
I replaced my torsion bars from factory to 28mm, factory is 24mm I think. I had a 1995 4runner SR5 v6 with the 5 speed manual transmission.
Great video. I have a 1993. I wanna lower it this way. Can I just back the bolt counter clockwise or I have seen some videos where you have to take the torsion bar apart to adjust the pitch. Thanks for the help
Yes, you can do the opposite and lower the vehicle
Nice video Im running a 2004 hilux with torsion bars, trying this soon.
Your crank only one side ?
No, one side will lift only one side. You need to tighten both drivers and passengers sides
I’m curious if these trucks were setup balanced left to right? My truck was sitting about 3/4” higher on passenger side (front only) I thought possibly to balance out road pitch but probably worn suspension since it’s an almost 30 year old 4runner.
I did my best to even it out but now feels like it pulls a touch to the right. Probably because it was aligned as it was and will need a new alignment.
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Thanks James, and we like you!
Torsion bar adjustments don't tighten, loosen, stiffen or soften them. The adjusting bolts only change the height of the front suspension. Manufacturers do this to be able to level the vehicle off the assembly line. The adjusting bolts are nothing more than jack screws. When people adjust the screws too much or to the max, the control arms scrub the tires sideways (laterally) through their arcs so much as to give the impression of a "stiff ride", perpetuating the idea of "pre-loading" or "cranking". Also, adjust too high and there's little extension left, affecting ride quality. It's a 22 mm bolt head.
Great explanation. The ride does feel poor because you roved the travel that was available.
@@SnailTrail4x4
The good news is Toyota IFS torsion bars are said to be good up or down 1" (25-ish mm) from stock. Maybe lower it 5/8" (16 mm) and see what happens. Notwithstanding the ball joint spacers. I've had my '94 Pickup 25 years and, many times when I've tried to modify or supposedly improve something, it's Toyota engineers: 1, Michael: 0.
You turned the bottom bolt 12 turns to the left to bring it up just over an inch?
That sounds correct, but you should do your own measurement. Every torsion bar will be different
Thank you
My 1994 toyota 4 runner is not leveled. The front suspension is higher than the back suspension. When i try to lower the front suspension. it looks like the back is getting lower. I cant really tell if its getting higher or lower. But i want to know if my torsion bars on my 4runner either lower or lift the front of my vehicle or the back. I need some help!
Torsion Bars are only for Independent suspension. Your 4Runner has a Solid Rear Axle. Each torsion bar will either raise or lower the one independent suspension side it's connected too
hello, let me see if I understood, you have to loosen the top nut first and then tight the bottom one?
I’m new to the older trucks but what does it mean if the threads are super long on top does it mean it’s tight or lose?
I think it means it's loose, if you tighten them the threads should be less
what did you do with the nut uptop? just put the wrench up top? did you turn it or anyhting?
I heard the nut uptop still while I turned the lower bolt. If I didn't hold it still it would just spin.
Hi, what is the maximum turns you can put on the torsion bar? And is it possible to tell if it has already been wound up? Thanks Howard.
The max would be either when you run out at threads to tighten it with or if the tension bar breaks. I'm not sure how to tell if somebody has tightened it already. You could crawl under and look it should be close to the middle of the threads
How low can you go with most stock torsion keys? Would I need to buy new keys to drop 3" lower?
That's a good question, I'm not sure about lower, but when I raised my truck 2" it isn't a comfortable ride.
Hey, nice video. I just broke my upper control mounted on chessis. What could be the reason? Does over size shocks can do harm Or over tighten Torsion bar?
Tightening them definitely puts more stress on them, but I haven't heard of anyone breaking th mount off. We're you off-roading when this happened
@@SnailTrail4x4 not offloading normal riding.
How do you lift the rear wheels? Same process?
So now the front end is higher than the back end?
Yes, slightly
Quick question mate, can u do.this with a 04 hilux? Also do.i.need to upgrade shocks etc? Thanks in.advance mate great channel!
I'm not familiar with Hilux as we don't have them here in the states. But if the truck has torsion bars and not coils or coilovers you can do this lift
@@SnailTrail4x4 thanks mate
What about alignment and ride quality?
Edit: Never mind. You mentioned the alignment.
Ride quality was sub par. It was much better when I added the ball joint spacers
365 days in the year! sorry man good video, just found that funny
Haha what did I say?
@@SnailTrail4x4 365 degrees. I was assuming you meant 360 degrees (full circle) but got mixed up with 365 days in a year? But who cares, still a good video.
@@1968lr -- haha, too funny
My 92 Toyota pickup doesn’t have Torreón bars? Anyone else know anything bout it
What does it have?
Hi, I have an 89 Toyota pickup(22R). I also added a balljoint spacer. Any other ways to raise the front a little more?
If you have tighten the torsion bars and are using a ball joint spacer that is the quickest and cheapest way to start. The next step is going to be getting a lift kit from someone. If you have some fabrication skills you can also do a Solid Axle Swap (SAS).
Did it fix the rubbing on the tyres and what size are your tyres
32x11.5 wheels, 15x8 with a 4" backspacing rim
hi. i just purchased a 95 toyota extended cab. there are 16 inch wheels and 265/75/17 tires on them. when i crank the wheel fully or hit a bump I get rubbing. id like to also get tall skinny extreme tires for the winter seasons. I don't wanna spend $1,400 on a lift kit. first question: will my 95' allow to the torsion to be tightened and 2: what is your view on "ball joint spacers"? shop labor costs for ball joint spacer work on average? thanks so much!! Robert
I would go ball joints spacers all the way!
So is it worth it ? Lifting it this way and getting an alignment ? Want to smack some 33x12.50 on
It's the cheapest way to do that, but the ride sucks, very rough. I bought a set of ball joint spacer but haven't put them on yet. I think this might be a better answer.
If you want to put 33x12.50's on, you'll need more than 4 inches of lift, more like 6 inches. I had a 1990 with a 4 inch lift and it rubbed turning, cranked up the bars 2 inches making a 7 inch life to clear 33's.
So what size of tire you Got on en what size of rims .because I’m trying to figure it out what size I need and how much I need to lift it up.? Thank you ,nice video by the way .
Of i take off the wheel, would the torsion bolt turn easier?
Not really, but the wheel should be off the ground.
Saludos desde Honduras 22r Toyota es Toyota el mero mero 4x4
HI!!! Got a 92 single cab 4x4 but suspension its too hard.
I bougt a fox 2.0 set and still hard as well. Do you have some recommendations to get a softer driving?
Thanks
Sorry im not speaking english to much
Does this apply to a 2002 toyota preerunner 2wd ? Thank you
Thanks
Hi, there would this work on a 94 4Runner does lift all 4 tires or just the front ones ?
Just front, I'm not sure when the 4runner went to coil springs but if you have them, then this lift isn't possible
so if i do this i have to get an alignmnet was well?
I would advise it, yes. But that depends on how high you go up. That said, I didn't but I'm also planning on doing other changes to my front end.
I have a 92 pickup 2wd I tried to do that and the torsion bar didn't wanna budge with the wrench in but when I had it off the torsion bars didn't raise anything is there another way to tighten the torsion bars
You can try lifting the front end off the ground to release some of the weight.
Yeah I did that and when I tried tightening it the wrench just like slipped and I had the closed end in it and I tried loosening it and it just won't budge and I don't think even if I put like wd40 or pb blaster would take it off I need like an impact but that won't fit up there.
@@marcusmanuel4041-- last resort maybe a torch
Ok. Thanks how's that Samantha project coming along
@@marcusmanuel4041 -- slow, and that's my fault. I need to send more time with her.
Awesome video. Even better for me since we have the exact same Ute. Hahaha up the hilux
What year is that truck? I need that bumper, thanks plz reply, and good job on video bro
This raises the front end, no? How do I raise the rear end? I'm sagging on the passenger side of the rear end by over 2".
You can add a leaf, get longer shackles, get blocks under your rear springs, or get a lifted set of leaf springs.
@@SnailTrail4x4 when you get new rear coils with spacers so it levels it do you need to adjust the torsion bars?
@@frankgibs7704 -- there are no coils in these trucks... But if you have coils and add a spacer you can use this truck to lift the front if you have torsion bars. Just be careful you should only lift them 1" maybe a little more
Did winding it up stop the wheel from rubbing on lock?
Yes! But it made it a stiff ride. It rode much better after I installed Ball joint spacers and lowered the torsion bars a little.
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What are you talking about?
Are there any long travel options for the 90 2wd Toyota pickup?
I am sure there are. Check out total chaos
@@SnailTrail4x4 They got in touch with me and said they discontinued the 2wd long travel kit :\\\. Guess that means it's not worth keeping if it can't have long travel.
So is it important to hold the lock nut on top of the threaded bolt still whilst you tighten the Bolt underneath ?
Yeah, if the too bolt is spinning then your not being efficient.
I just tried putting a spanner on the lock nut it stopped spinning but the threaded bolt continues to spin is that right ?
You should be holding the nut still on the top while you tighten or loosen the thread bolt.
Does this change the camber on the front tires?
Yes
Are there two torsion bars? One on each side, or only one?
One on each side
Yep, what Kyle said, thanks Kyle!
Will it make the suspension any stiffer? I want to soften mine a bit
I believe if you lower it, it will make the ride softer, but I may be wrong
Yes it will make it stiffer, if you turn it the other way and lower the vehicle it will soften the ride.
My next step was to add ball joint spacers to give me 1.5" more lift then I lowered the suspension by loosing the torsion bars to give me a better ride
I have a 2018 4runner...will this work to lower it? A disabled family member is having a hard time jumping into it. Thanks
I am sorry this will not. The suspension is different between the new 2018 4Runner and the older Trucks and 4Runners. There are lowering Kits out there, but I don't know much about them. Maybe look at getting a Stool or some Steps on the side. Sorry I couldn't help more.
Did your tiers butterfly in cuz mine did and I'm Stock tiers for now.
Yes a little I went to get a wheel alignment
Nice video
Thanks!
I have a 1990 Pickup, I purchased it around 6 months ago I just put bigger tires on there. Is there a way to tell if the torsion bars have already been tightened? I put 265/75/16’s I don’t rub even at full lock, there’s a little over 6” from tire to fender is it safe to assume it’s already been tightened my ride quality is fairly good, I’ve read some comments that say the ride quality isn’t very good so I’m unsure if they’ve been tightened.
265/75r16 is about a 31.5 tire size. My guess is that the torsion bars havent already been tightened.
Can this be done on a 1998 T100?
Specifically I have a 1998 Toyota T100 SR5 Ext cab 4x4
This can only be done with vehicles that have torsion bars. I don't know if that truck has them or not
Will this work on my isuzu rodeo it has torsion bars
Yes, if it has Torsion Bars
You think 3in from factory on my 93 will be ok or Break anything ?
3" with only the torsion bar lift? That seams like a lot and I bet the ride is going to suck. No idea if you're going to brake anything, maybe the torsion bar since it's so tight
Plz hit me back bro, I already have a 3in spacer lift but looking get about a 1in or a lil more
Had a ? About the shift knob in the white 4runner, where did u get that and what is it called?
Trail4r got them from Ellis Precision, it's third TRD Shift Knobs. There is an entire blog written about them on Trail4r -
trail4runner.com/2017/10/26/ellis-precision-trd-shift-knobs-4runner/
I also want to apologize that I didn't respond earlier. I appreciate you following up. Please let me know if I can help with anything else.
SnailTrail4x4 no worries I appreciate you getting back to me.
Did you make a video of the ball joint replace? How would you lift the rear if wanted?
Bro will this work on a 2011 Toyota Tundra ?
Just remember.. expect to be changing your ball joints every 5-10k miles and enhanced tire wear after tightening the torsion bar up. Creates a lot more wear and tear on the moving part. Expect the boots on your bearing points to wear/tear out more often as well.
So what's the solution? Is there a best way to lift it?
@@driftingmaster2248 with a diff drop lift...
Will this work on my 02 Chevy Silverado?
Does it have torsion bars or springs?
How many turns can you do on the bolt ? Cause my buddy has a 97 and he wants to raise his and I didn’t know how many he can do
you can't, it has the coil spring type of suspension up front.
Thanks big help!!!!
Just broke the adjusting bolt. Now have no suspension on one side. Not sure what I did wrong, the drivers side tightened fine, lifted the truck like a half inch no issues. The passenger side snapped after a couple turns. It's a 1987 4runner.
I'm not sure if you can simply replace the bolt, you might be able to... If not you might need new torsion bars
@@SnailTrail4x4 I figured it out! New bolt, old anchors. And yes it was as simple as just putting the new bolts in and tightening them down. It's a little wierd because after '88 they changed the design a little bit. Pre '87 you have to use your old anchors with the new bolts. Also there is now just a single big nut instead the 2 that were on there before. Glad I didn't have to tear apart my entire front end to fix lol
Can you do this with a 99 4runner?
Nope, they don't have torsion bars, they have coils
I have a 1994 4runner. can this work on mine?
Yes, as long as you have Torsion bars. A 1994 Toyota Pickup has Torsion bars. You can also do a ball joint spacers lift and retain some soft suspension