As a physicist with multiple publications under my belt, this is painfully accurate. Except for the grandmother stuff. In my case, it was my friend Timy. I miss Timy. He didn't deserve what happened to him.
For those that think this is satire, I had a previous student reach out to me because he couldn't get access to a paper he was a co-author on. Our university doesn't subscribe to that journal either. The alternative of sci*** also didn't work because they had pay walled the SI (which he also needed). The post-doc in the lab who was another co-author thankfully had an earlier version to share, but if not this would have required either reaching out to our collaborators or to another university.
@@PWLfr They were not the primary author. It was work we had been doing with a collaborator and it was undergraduate work they were finishing while they are currently at a graduate institution and I don't believe they kept copies of their contributions when they moved because that paper was done. They just needed it as a quick reference. It is possible I could have dug through their lab computer or tried to give them access so they could find it but that is also not easy.
have they tried this resource which I do NOT think is cool and of course totally NOT useful called sci hub? I would NEVER endorse anyone to take full advantage of sci hub to download articles for free.
@@sociallymediocre3711 Sadly they needed the SI which that totally illicit and completely illegal website which I can not recommend to anyone, does not pull. I completely did not check said website to make doubly sure of this fact.
We seriously should make all research open source. We could have universities pay other universities to review their papers before publishing instead of using journals. It would probably be a lot cheaper too. Those papers could then even list the institutions that greenlit that paper. It could be very beneficial freeing up a lot of time and money.
I agree with your position. I think it’s logical and rather sound. My only thing would be that it could push some schools to “race to publish” if they find out what the others are doing. Paleontology is in need of a new lab and equipment. It’d be a shame if their budget didn’t get the increase they needed because another school 9 time zones away published first. Where there’s money there’s politics.
The main challenge is in the transition because for their career scientists need to publish in a journal with a high impact factor (basically how "high quality" is the journal). At the start this new open source journal will have a nonexistent impact factor so the first people will have to choose between publishing in a classic journal or "sacrificing" their article to this new open source journal which might not bring a lot to their career. After some time the impact factor of the new journal will increase so the problem will go away, but at the start it will require abnegation or some sort of incentive...
Tbh paying the university instead of the publisher probably won't end well. If the reviewing university is published information, I can foresee reputable brand name universities putting a high price tag on their stamp of approval. If its not published information, then there is no way of knowing if the paper was reviewed by some for-profit degree mill or worse, nobody at all. Without a central system, I think many issues need to be solved for this to be viable.
The EU has made it mandatory to publish all the articles which received EU funding in open access and it is fantastic. The thing is that the publications charge a huge amount to publish those open access articles. Thankfully in my case the cost of those were covered by my research institute, but damn, journals are leeching hard on scientists.
This would be hilarious, if it wasn't truly horrific. I think I'll start a rival journal that pays people for their articles, pays reviewers for their hard work, is published widely and cheaply online, and makes money off ad revenue rather than the hard work of doctors.
I wish ad rev paid enough for that. Although, because it’s a niche audience maybe you could get really good targeted ad sponsors. It sucks that all this potential innovation is being pay walled. Actually it makes me sick. Who knows what advancements we are missing out on because of it
The problem with ad revenue is then eventually your most powerful and generous advertisers could put pressure on you not to accept certain articles that could negatively affect their sales. I think it's fine to charge a fee to authors for publishing honestly, just to cover the cost of paying the reviewers and the website fees.. compared to what some of these journals charge it wouldn't need to even be much. It should also have a comments section for other people to add their critiques, for what they might be worth.
Whenever you post a new video I stop whatever I am doing and get into the zone with no distractions whatsoever. I love your videos! But seriously sir, we need an update on the Jonathan Resistance.
As a med student currently in the middle of the review process of my second article, this baffles me. > Research is publically-funded by tax dollars > The researcher (me) is carrying out the research in the capacity given to me through my publically-subsidised degree > The clinicians who collect the data have their wages publically funded by our universal healthcare system > The hospital that the data is sourced from is a public hospital > The patients consent to the study with the belief that they will contribute to the greater good by doing so > To add a stamp of validity and credibility, a journal paywalls the product of taxpayer money and public goodwill forever, permanently preventing open public access. Insane.
But the journal went to the effort of sending it for review (for free) and then after all that sent it to India or China to get typeset! Must have sent those emails super-priority for it to be so expensive.
So, technically - and legally - anything funded by the gov't (via grants, etc) must be open access after a 12 month embargo. The University of Illinois has a good breakdown: researchguides.uic.edu/c.php?g=252224&p=2745823. There are technically fines. The problem is... enforcement. There is no Open Access Enforcement Squad. For a lot of the Clinical Trials, it's up to the researchers to update the data upon completion and I think (at present) only about 1% do.
My favorite part of peer review is how you change your attitude from beginning to end. At first, you are super nice and try to reflect on reviewers' comments and change the manuscript accordingly to their suggestions. In the end, after 4 or 5 rounds of reviewers' comments, you are basically telling them to fck off in a diplomatic way.
Or you have to decide if a 'nasty' reviewer has overplayed their hand and can you point this out to the Editor. If you have gone to more than 3 rounds of review you need to consider withdrawing the article. Eg if you have submitted to a good journal (IF>15) and been given the soft reject with potential for re-review if you do the suggested alterations that's one round. Then if you do most of that, but demurr on the least relevant stuff and present a (really) good rebuttal the reply from that is 2nd round. If they then only ask for typos, added citations, formatting etc that's 3 rounds - but if they ask for more experiments and you have significantly improved it, then consider that it is a viable prospect for a journal with similar impact. Only keep playing along if it is top level (Nature/Science/Cell) and you have kept the author count below 10-ish.
Well it's not my fault they're borderline illiterate and can't understand the damn paper. My research is flawless and there's 0 probability that any revision has to be done other than changing a sentence here or there.
Researcher: "How do I publish my paper?" Paper: "Oh, just loads and loads of money!" Researcher: "Oh great, how much would I get?" Paper: "Oh no- *YOU* pay *US* "
Can you do one on predatory journals next, especially the open-access ones with ridiculous fees. Sad to see desperate students fall prey to those scammers.
I actually thought that's what the agreement he had to sign would be. "Thank you for signing, now how do you wish to pay the $1,000 publication fee that you just agreed to?"
So good. Just had the third revision back. The “please submit with changes tracked” instruction that has been met by one reviewer each time with cries of “it’s got crossings out and alterations, I can’t believe this is a final submission” is what’s killing me at the moment…
Absolutely ludicrous. I don't even understand why Journals can't even bother to do one Basic Magazine-Print-like Page Copy for the soul that made the Article and pay for the WHOLE Journal in terms of knowing what else is happening in the community.
Ah reminds me of the time Taylor and Francis kept my submitted manuscript 'under review' since June 2019.... despite me emailing them at least a dozen times and getting no actual replies other than reply bots.... Oh wait, this is still true. Good job, T&F. Keep it up.
I exactly passed through 4 rounds of reviews addressing concerns to publish a paper while getting paid as a postdoc. I don't miss that at all. thank God 🤣 Dr. G, this video is 100% accurate.
This is so on point and sadly true. Makes me question my career plans to be a researcher for life but despite it, I know I am still going to do it for the love of science like all researchers. Researchers are prompted and valued by the number of publications they have under their belt. Research journals don't contribute to research grants or pay authors/reviewers. Even tenured professors at Ivy league schools are required to bring in 60%-75% of their salary (which btw is only for 9 months) through research grants. I am so glad that Dr. Will is bringing this to the limelight and stirring a chance. Kudos!
This hits so close to home. It's the same if you manage to publish a book or a book chapter, in a book that costs $200 that nobody will buy, except maybe a university library. It makes the whole dream of publishing feel hollow at the end of the day.
I'll be honest with you, as a former academic I have a really hard time watching the videos about this stuff. Keep them coming. They remind me why I left.
Also a funny thing i stumbled upon while coauthoring a paper - the "no show" policy. Quite long to describe ... but in short if you don't attend the conference and present your work, your paper will not be published, only be shared on-site + you lost the copyright to the IEEE
I'm sure I'm not the first one to say it, but you're such a good actor. Those facial expressions, changes in tone, smile, etc, are so good that you deserve an Oscar. Keep up the good work!
I left the accademic career many years ago but I still remember the anguish waiting for the notes from the reviewers. What the heck were they doing for all those months? 😂
Not to defend the journals and all of the other aspects of the process, but the reviewers are other peer scientists who, on top of doing their own research, are also asked to review papers (for free). Generally what they're doing while the paper is sitting on their desk waiting for review is trying to survive themselves....and often being nudged several times by the journals to get to it.
@@donnahenrikson1320 yeah, I know how it works. My senior colleagues were reviewers for others, I was just kidding. Being my very first papers I was really excited and worry about the outcome.
OMG so true!!! Published paper of my career last year after 23 years of trying. Got it in our best journal. Twenty-three years ago my field was only examined by a few labs in world, now it's the hottest field in my discipline. Now, good work in Interoception is "the field." I finally felt validated for our work. Glad I lived long enough to see it happen.
As a Neurosurgeon, and a mother to 10 month old AND a forever student (step 2 soon) .. I thoroughly enjoy your videos and find them so truthful and accurate and funny ! Thank you for making us smile :)
No there’s a winning business model. There’s no way anyone could get into any trouble and everyone will be sure to be happy in the end….. Fosho Thanks for all the great content! Keep up the fantastic work. I always get a pre video smile when I see a new video from you in my suggestions box. Take care and peace!
The paper title he cites in the video about the phylogenetics of vampyrrisine bats actually exists 😮Dr Glauc is a real OG published 👨🔬. Much respect ✊ doc. Thanks for the laughs. I’m gonna need it before I submit my first paper next week.
This is why what happened with covid was such an issue. When misinformation is free and everywhere, and actual studies are very hard to find, or very expensive to view...you got a problem.
This is so frustratingly true. You put your life behind your research, rob your family of valuable "together time", shut all doors to other opportunities to get the research ready, then the publishers treat you like dirt.
I realised this the hard way! Many rounds of rejection , lots of revisions, and lack of funds. 7 months later when the case report is published it's no longer unique! There are many case reports on the topic now!
Spot on. Painfully so. Now add on the control and ownership exercised by the University's research foundation (at least here in Wisconsin) and it's like birthing a baby and having someone taking it away. At least for your first piece and forbid it's connected to a patent. Even tangentially.
This was like a great movie with all the emotional highs & lows & I wanted to clap at the end. How long was this anyway? Felt like 3hrs of a great documentary.
I write this comment while being stuck in a 4th round revision and after not hearing from the journal for 5 months, the editor now sends me weekly emails that confuse me more than their silence ever did. I am lost. I am tired. I am beginning to question the value of my own research and whether it is really worth 3000 USD (and about 85% of my braincells) to tell a tiny priviledged fraction of the world about the influence of depression on Parkinson's. Does any of this even matter? Do I matter? Is the world truly a sphere? Why does the bread always fall buttered-side down? What is time? Man, I guess I need a coffee and a nap and then I'll get back to finishing that damned PhD. Happy Easter everyone!
This is so god damn true! Few months ago I published my papers in the journals to finish my PhD studies. Frustration is like the easiest thing that I've experienced. It took 5 years from my life, so now I expect that I'll live 5 years shorter xD. Thanks to my dog, this period was a little bit easier (key word is a little bit)! First attempt: rejected without any explanation. Second attempt: 3/4 reviewers did not even read the paper and they have rejected it without even giving me chance to answer their concerns! Oh yeah I waited 6 months for this c**p. On my third attempt, the reviewers were normal and decent, and give me good suggestions. I've answered on all their questions and I finally published! But that pain....man I'll never forget that!!
Pure truth. But the root of the problem is us, Doctors, who continue this practice, subdued, chasing the dream of an academic career, or simply driven by the virtue of offering. Conducting research and eventually handing the fruit of our labour to publishing companies, who make millions by selling it.
You need to do a skit on trying publish material and the reviewers have no idea what your specialty is about. Yet they ask questions that the editors want addressed. My husband complains of this often especially if he already addressed the questions within the paper but they aren’t specialists and didn’t catch that. He’s in planetary science.
Science is primarily sponsored by public funding and the nature of science demands access for everybody regardless of means or origin. It has to become free to everyone! This will be the next true civil achievement since public schooling and equality.
As always, your videos are hilarious…but serious question: I was under the impression that study authors are allowed to send you their article if you contact them directly? I work as a paramedic and can’t afford a subscription to damn near anything, so this has always been my ace in the hole if I run across an abstract that could be practice-changing.
Eh it is a maybe. Depends on the publisher as to whether thats in the clause. Very unlikely the publishing house will bother when it is person to person access, bit different if they self archive though.
I used to work in academia and I actually never ran into a journal that would have a problem with something like that. But then again, I was never involved in anything good enough to try for the top-tier journals; maybe they have different rules. By the way, if you are really wanting a full copy of a paper, you might want to pay special attention to the things mentioned in this video: th-cam.com/video/PriwCi6SzLo/w-d-xo.html
Usually academics have copyright over the pre-proof version of the manuscript and many institutions require academics to deposit this into an in-house repository; there are waiting periods for redistribution. Additionally most journals give you a watermarked PDF of the final proof version for emailing to collaborators, although this generally anyone who emails requesting it. I always say yes because it means they are more likely to cite it, and a lot of students all over the world are really happy to get a PDF of a paper they can't access otherwise.
I was kinda comforted when I found out my father died with a copy of my thesis on his bedside table (Because...I think he might have been the only person that read it...that I didn't have to pay) But now I'm wondering if the University didn't have him eliminated
One thing that I have done is go to the NIH. Look up the first author. Find his/her funding. Scroll through the publications listed that are associated with that grant. Click on it, and you wind up at the PubMed citation view. Most times I can read the whole article. It's also insertable into your citaton database. Or, it used to be that way.
Notes from a non-lawyer who knows a little bit about IP and contract law: 1) Contracts signed under duress, including with unreasonable timelines in which one or more parties are not able to read and understand their agreement, are potentially non-enforceable; 2) You still own the IP that you are licensing to a publisher; 3) The first sale doctrine gives the owners of copyrighted works the rights to sell, lend, or share their copies without having to obtain permission or pay fees, which means if you buy a copy of the journal, gift it to your grandmother, who in turn shares it with her nursing home community on the bulletin board the publisher cannot prevent any of that from happening. As an academic generating IP, it's important to know your rights and push back against the greedy corporatists masquerading as paragons of knowledge when they strong arm the actual generators of scientific knowledge.
Still just as painfully funny whenever I rewatch this. 😂 My PhD supervisor frequently asks me if I'm "certain" I want to continue in research and we both laugh and agree it's cursed
This is also all true. Hospital contracts with physicians now almost all state they own anything you make related to the business of medicine, including online content or books! It's actually what drove me into private practice.
Everytime i hear Bachelor all i can think about is: i0.wp.com/soulgurusounds.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/tumblr_pge2jl4TeR1tg01n9o1_500.jpg?fit=500%2C352&ssl=1 For non German speakers ... it says: "I think i only do Bachelor of the Universe for starters."
Oh the 4 revisions, months of silence and existential crises! And then on Friday evening they send an email that I saw on Tuesday morning and had to sign and submit in 1 hour! This is sooo true! And now I can't share it because of copyright!
This filled me with mild rage... Time to listen to Super Gore Nest to embrace it or the Home Depot Theme to turn it into productive energy that I won't use!
yeah, the whole publishing industry has certainly made me question if academic research is even worth it I fucking love my field and what I do, and I love playing with math and ideas, but dear God if it means I have to deal with publishers then I might just become a peasant who puts everything on arXiv, money and prestige be damned
It’s not. Go into industry where you are actually appreciated for your work and financially compensated in a reasonable way, as well as the ability to get promotions. Academia is a massive joke. The chemistry labs in my university that got the most funding were the ones that did the most useless research (but they can “sell” it as green!), and their students couldn’t even get jobs because their skills were completely useless in the real world. That with the publishing industry made me realize how stupid this whole thing is
It really makes me sick that it's so difficult to just be a helpful member of the community that saves lives and puts smiles on people's faces. You have to do almost 10 years of total training or even more for some specialities, then you have to deal with toxic hospital agendas, and it's made impossible for researchers to make any money on their research that took them literal years to produce. Just tear humanity down, they don't deserve the love of the millions of nurses and docs around the world. I hope one day someone pulls a Hitler on toxic corporations and successfully "takes down" these insufferable assholes. I'm sure if journal publications became open source and donation based that millions of people would gladly donate plenty to this cause, because just as there are so many insufferable parasites in these realms, there are probably even more good people who are glad to help such causes; we just need a decent group for once who can get enough power to overshine the success of other toxic corps, and not drown in that power. Sigh... We can only dream. God bless all of you doctors and nurses who are truly genuine and loving.
Love your publishing pieces. Such a coincidence, partner just submitted a paper, and complaining about these exact issue. I remembered some of your previous vids on the topic and came straight here to show him. And voilà new video! Nice, but how do we change this system?
As an academic with 100+ publications, this isn't even satire, just pure truth.
After 100+ publication
Does it worth the time and effort ?
@@ibrahimalgosair8667 No
so many existential crises...
Bruh please put my name on your next pub, I’ll even proofread it
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a physicist with multiple publications under my belt, this is painfully accurate. Except for the grandmother stuff. In my case, it was my friend Timy. I miss Timy. He didn't deserve what happened to him.
What.. happened to Timy?😟
They took the second M from his name
Those bastards...
😂😂😂😂
Timy knows what he did.
Timy met an untimy end...
For those that think this is satire, I had a previous student reach out to me because he couldn't get access to a paper he was a co-author on. Our university doesn't subscribe to that journal either. The alternative of sci*** also didn't work because they had pay walled the SI (which he also needed). The post-doc in the lab who was another co-author thankfully had an earlier version to share, but if not this would have required either reaching out to our collaborators or to another university.
Don't they have a version of the final article stored ? Or all versions for reference
@@PWLfr They were not the primary author. It was work we had been doing with a collaborator and it was undergraduate work they were finishing while they are currently at a graduate institution and I don't believe they kept copies of their contributions when they moved because that paper was done. They just needed it as a quick reference. It is possible I could have dug through their lab computer or tried to give them access so they could find it but that is also not easy.
have they tried this resource which I do NOT think is cool and of course totally NOT useful called sci hub? I would NEVER endorse anyone to take full advantage of sci hub to download articles for free.
so what if people just stopped publishing the manuscripts and stuff?
@@sociallymediocre3711 Sadly they needed the SI which that totally illicit and completely illegal website which I can not recommend to anyone, does not pull. I completely did not check said website to make doubly sure of this fact.
We seriously should make all research open source. We could have universities pay other universities to review their papers before publishing instead of using journals. It would probably be a lot cheaper too.
Those papers could then even list the institutions that greenlit that paper. It could be very beneficial freeing up a lot of time and money.
I agree with your position. I think it’s logical and rather sound.
My only thing would be that it could push some schools to “race to publish” if they find out what the others are doing.
Paleontology is in need of a new lab and equipment. It’d be a shame if their budget didn’t get the increase they needed because another school 9 time zones away published first.
Where there’s money there’s politics.
The main challenge is in the transition because for their career scientists need to publish in a journal with a high impact factor (basically how "high quality" is the journal). At the start this new open source journal will have a nonexistent impact factor so the first people will have to choose between publishing in a classic journal or "sacrificing" their article to this new open source journal which might not bring a lot to their career. After some time the impact factor of the new journal will increase so the problem will go away, but at the start it will require abnegation or some sort of incentive...
Tbh paying the university instead of the publisher probably won't end well.
If the reviewing university is published information, I can foresee reputable brand name universities putting a high price tag on their stamp of approval.
If its not published information, then there is no way of knowing if the paper was reviewed by some for-profit degree mill or worse, nobody at all.
Without a central system, I think many issues need to be solved for this to be viable.
You can get published open source. Just cough up 5000 USD or so, no biggie.
The EU has made it mandatory to publish all the articles which received EU funding in open access and it is fantastic. The thing is that the publications charge a huge amount to publish those open access articles. Thankfully in my case the cost of those were covered by my research institute, but damn, journals are leeching hard on scientists.
This would be hilarious, if it wasn't truly horrific. I think I'll start a rival journal that pays people for their articles, pays reviewers for their hard work, is published widely and cheaply online, and makes money off ad revenue rather than the hard work of doctors.
This better be true
I wish ad rev paid enough for that. Although, because it’s a niche audience maybe you could get really good targeted ad sponsors. It sucks that all this potential innovation is being pay walled. Actually it makes me sick. Who knows what advancements we are missing out on because of it
The problem with ad revenue is then eventually your most powerful and generous advertisers could put pressure on you not to accept certain articles that could negatively affect their sales. I think it's fine to charge a fee to authors for publishing honestly, just to cover the cost of paying the reviewers and the website fees.. compared to what some of these journals charge it wouldn't need to even be much. It should also have a comments section for other people to add their critiques, for what they might be worth.
I would volunteer my time and skill as a writer and an editor to help this venture succeed.
They’d probably band together to sue you out of existence since it ruins the game for them. 😔
Whenever you post a new video I stop whatever I am doing and get into the zone with no distractions whatsoever. I love your videos! But seriously sir, we need an update on the Jonathan Resistance.
Same here.
[quick nod]
*checks Visine bottle expiration date*
Viva la resistance
As a medical resident who is going through this exact process right now, it’s nice to see someone who gets it. Thanks Doc Gloc!
That is not limited to medicine, but academia in general. Open Access is the opposite. But also non profitable.
As a med student currently in the middle of the review process of my second article, this baffles me.
> Research is publically-funded by tax dollars
> The researcher (me) is carrying out the research in the capacity given to me through my publically-subsidised degree
> The clinicians who collect the data have their wages publically funded by our universal healthcare system
> The hospital that the data is sourced from is a public hospital
> The patients consent to the study with the belief that they will contribute to the greater good by doing so
> To add a stamp of validity and credibility, a journal paywalls the product of taxpayer money and public goodwill forever, permanently preventing open public access.
Insane.
But the journal went to the effort of sending it for review (for free) and then after all that sent it to India or China to get typeset!
Must have sent those emails super-priority for it to be so expensive.
@@IndigoIndustrial Not to mention - we then had to correct the typesetting mistakes ourselves
So, technically - and legally - anything funded by the gov't (via grants, etc) must be open access after a 12 month embargo. The University of Illinois has a good breakdown: researchguides.uic.edu/c.php?g=252224&p=2745823. There are technically fines. The problem is... enforcement. There is no Open Access Enforcement Squad. For a lot of the Clinical Trials, it's up to the researchers to update the data upon completion and I think (at present) only about 1% do.
@@mspang3233 I'm not in the US, but I agree it's near-impossible to enforce. Especially given the cost to publish open access.
its almost like some motive in the system is breaking it, someone has to be profiting from this
Send a unit of Jonathans asap to protect Nana!!!
We need to build an army of Jonathans to take down these toxic manipulative companies
I am currently in the process of writing and submitting articles to journals. I kid you not. There is not an ounce of lie in this video.
So you get no money, no credit and no free copy of that journal in which your article gets published. Why exactly are you doing that to yourself?
Well. Except for the Nana bit right..?
……..
R-right?…….
@@LavendelFeder Because the academic "community" defaulted into bibliometrics based evaluation system run by for-profit publishing industry.
@@LavendelFeder I ask myself that every day. And the answer is that we are probably crazy. We are absolutely mad. We are hopeless.
@@LavendelFeder somewhere along the line.... I forgot.... why are we still here? Just to suffer?
My favorite part of peer review is how you change your attitude from beginning to end. At first, you are super nice and try to reflect on reviewers' comments and change the manuscript accordingly to their suggestions. In the end, after 4 or 5 rounds of reviewers' comments, you are basically telling them to fck off in a diplomatic way.
So fucking true
Or you have to decide if a 'nasty' reviewer has overplayed their hand and can you point this out to the Editor.
If you have gone to more than 3 rounds of review you need to consider withdrawing the article.
Eg if you have submitted to a good journal (IF>15) and been given the soft reject with potential for re-review if you do the suggested alterations that's one round.
Then if you do most of that, but demurr on the least relevant stuff and present a (really) good rebuttal the reply from that is 2nd round.
If they then only ask for typos, added citations, formatting etc that's 3 rounds - but if they ask for more experiments and you have significantly improved it, then consider that it is a viable prospect for a journal with similar impact.
Only keep playing along if it is top level (Nature/Science/Cell) and you have kept the author count below 10-ish.
Well it's not my fault they're borderline illiterate and can't understand the damn paper.
My research is flawless and there's 0 probability that any revision has to be done other than changing a sentence here or there.
Researcher: "How do I publish my paper?"
Paper: "Oh, just loads and loads of money!"
Researcher: "Oh great, how much would I get?"
Paper: "Oh no- *YOU* pay *US* "
These bits covering academic research are so great. The absurdities in the publication process deserve attention
Can you do one on predatory journals next, especially the open-access ones with ridiculous fees. Sad to see desperate students fall prey to those scammers.
What's a non-predatory journal even at this point
Every journal is predatory. The hub helps a lot. I hope that we could change that.
Oh he's done plenty of videos on that topic 🥲
I actually thought that's what the agreement he had to sign would be.
"Thank you for signing, now how do you wish to pay the $1,000 publication fee that you just agreed to?"
Just came out of an oral ophthalmology exam where they asked me the VOGT triad and I excitedly said Glaucomflecken before they even finished it
Oral ophthalmology? For those rare mutations that make people eat with their eyes?
@@sacul2001 I know;)
@@McBethklok lol 👍
So good. Just had the third revision back. The “please submit with changes tracked” instruction that has been met by one reviewer each time with cries of “it’s got crossings out and alterations, I can’t believe this is a final submission” is what’s killing me at the moment…
It was $178 to get a physical copy of my own article from Dev Cell :(
Disgusting
Absolutely ludicrous. I don't even understand why Journals can't even bother to do one Basic Magazine-Print-like Page Copy for the soul that made the Article and pay for the WHOLE Journal in terms of knowing what else is happening in the community.
Ah reminds me of the time Taylor and Francis kept my submitted manuscript 'under review' since June 2019.... despite me emailing them at least a dozen times and getting no actual replies other than reply bots....
Oh wait, this is still true. Good job, T&F. Keep it up.
Wtf.....
NO! Not manuscript limbo for almost 3 years?!?!
Pretty sure one of my papers has entered a similar liminal realm. At least it has company in limbo :')
Hey T&F seems to have a notorious reputation for delaying review process, and here I thought 4 months was too long for my manuscript (also T&F)
I exactly passed through 4 rounds of reviews addressing concerns to publish a paper while getting paid as a postdoc. I don't miss that at all. thank God 🤣 Dr. G, this video is 100% accurate.
"Did you have an existential crisis?" 🤣🤣🤣
Well, that was just brutal. And another example of how corporations put greed over the health and welfare of the general public.
This is so on point and sadly true. Makes me question my career plans to be a researcher for life but despite it, I know I am still going to do it for the love of science like all researchers. Researchers are prompted and valued by the number of publications they have under their belt. Research journals don't contribute to research grants or pay authors/reviewers. Even tenured professors at Ivy league schools are required to bring in 60%-75% of their salary (which btw is only for 9 months) through research grants.
I am so glad that Dr. Will is bringing this to the limelight and stirring a chance. Kudos!
This hits so close to home. It's the same if you manage to publish a book or a book chapter, in a book that costs $200 that nobody will buy, except maybe a university library. It makes the whole dream of publishing feel hollow at the end of the day.
I'll be honest with you, as a former academic I have a really hard time watching the videos about this stuff.
Keep them coming. They remind me why I left.
Also a funny thing i stumbled upon while coauthoring a paper - the "no show" policy. Quite long to describe ... but in short if you don't attend the conference and present your work, your paper will not be published, only be shared on-site + you lost the copyright to the IEEE
I'm sure I'm not the first one to say it, but you're such a good actor. Those facial expressions, changes in tone, smile, etc, are so good that you deserve an Oscar. Keep up the good work!
I left the accademic career many years ago but I still remember the anguish waiting for the notes from the reviewers. What the heck were they doing for all those months? 😂
Not to defend the journals and all of the other aspects of the process, but the reviewers are other peer scientists who, on top of doing their own research, are also asked to review papers (for free). Generally what they're doing while the paper is sitting on their desk waiting for review is trying to survive themselves....and often being nudged several times by the journals to get to it.
@@donnahenrikson1320 yeah, I know how it works. My senior colleagues were reviewers for others, I was just kidding. Being my very first papers I was really excited and worry about the outcome.
@@TheCamiclo Very normal to be excited and nervous....and hate the wait. Good luck!!
They were making corrections to their articles…
OMG so true!!! Published paper of my career last year after 23 years of trying. Got it in our best journal. Twenty-three years ago my field was only examined by a few labs in world, now it's the hottest field in my discipline. Now, good work in Interoception is "the field." I finally felt validated for our work. Glad I lived long enough to see it happen.
one of my profs in college pirated all his papers, and also he pirated any papers that cited him. because "it's just my work anyways" absolute legend.
Honestly you guys Nana knows better
As a Neurosurgeon, and a mother to 10 month old AND a forever student (step 2 soon) .. I thoroughly enjoy your videos and find them so truthful and accurate and funny !
Thank you for making us smile :)
No there’s a winning business model. There’s no way anyone could get into any trouble and everyone will be sure to be happy in the end….. Fosho
Thanks for all the great content! Keep up the fantastic work. I always get a pre video smile when I see a new video from you in my suggestions box.
Take care and peace!
Thank you for the humour as always. One paper rejection, another for revision this week - the existential crisis comment resonates!
I laughed at this but also felt intense physical pain
The paper title he cites in the video about the phylogenetics of vampyrrisine bats actually exists 😮Dr Glauc is a real OG published 👨🔬. Much respect ✊ doc. Thanks for the laughs. I’m gonna need it before I submit my first paper next week.
Tristopher omg what a name. You are beyond hillarious
This is why what happened with covid was such an issue.
When misinformation is free and everywhere, and actual studies are very hard to find, or very expensive to view...you got a problem.
This is like a horror movie. The horror of doing work and someone else earns your money
This is outrageous, i had no idea this is how it's like
I've been sending these to my best friend who is in academics and I think I'm making her cry. (sorry Fran, love you)
This is so frustratingly true. You put your life behind your research, rob your family of valuable "together time", shut all doors to other opportunities to get the research ready, then the publishers treat you like dirt.
OH MY GOD.....this is sooooo accurate 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm simultaneously relieved and depressed that it's no better in the sciences than it is in the humanities.
Nana knows what she did...
Poor nana
Hey if the whole doctor thing doesn't work out definitely go for actor. Best shorts on TH-cam.
I realised this the hard way! Many rounds of rejection , lots of revisions, and lack of funds.
7 months later when the case report is published it's no longer unique! There are many case reports on the topic now!
Can you tell us what was the case report please?
I guess they waited the same amount of time as you or more
@@sayuas4293 Nope! If you have money or institution funds you, you don't have to waste time arranging funds there by delaying the publication.
The fact they also don't pay the reviewers is just the cherry on top
🤣 this went left field so fast I'm crying!! 🤣 💯 🙌🙌
Spot on. Painfully so. Now add on the control and ownership exercised by the University's research foundation (at least here in Wisconsin) and it's like birthing a baby and having someone taking it away. At least for your first piece and forbid it's connected to a patent. Even tangentially.
This was like a great movie with all the emotional highs & lows & I wanted to clap at the end. How long was this anyway? Felt like 3hrs of a great documentary.
I hope Pub Med sees this
Lol feels like PubMed is an actual person
Fighting the good fight!!! This is so important in ALL Science, not just medical science.
I write this comment while being stuck in a 4th round revision and after not hearing from the journal for 5 months, the editor now sends me weekly emails that confuse me more than their silence ever did. I am lost. I am tired. I am beginning to question the value of my own research and whether it is really worth 3000 USD (and about 85% of my braincells) to tell a tiny priviledged fraction of the world about the influence of depression on Parkinson's. Does any of this even matter? Do I matter? Is the world truly a sphere? Why does the bread always fall buttered-side down? What is time?
Man, I guess I need a coffee and a nap and then I'll get back to finishing that damned PhD. Happy Easter everyone!
Cool!! My grandmother lived in a New Horizons nursing home!!
In Australia
Plot twist : Nana works for that rival publisher
This is so god damn true! Few months ago I published my papers in the journals to finish my PhD studies. Frustration is like the easiest thing that I've experienced. It took 5 years from my life, so now I expect that I'll live 5 years shorter xD. Thanks to my dog, this period was a little bit easier (key word is a little bit)! First attempt: rejected without any explanation. Second attempt: 3/4 reviewers did not even read the paper and they have rejected it without even giving me chance to answer their concerns! Oh yeah I waited 6 months for this c**p. On my third attempt, the reviewers were normal and decent, and give me good suggestions. I've answered on all their questions and I finally published! But that pain....man I'll never forget that!!
Reminds me of Thieme, The Surgery Journal had me waiting for 11 months for a reply just to get a rejection. 😂
Have a great day doc ♥️
Part of me is glad that it's not just in Physics where this crap happens, but the other half is just depressed
The post doc salary hits home. So trueeee! It’s horrible.
Pure truth. But the root of the problem is us, Doctors, who continue this practice, subdued, chasing the dream of an academic career, or simply driven by the virtue of offering. Conducting research and eventually handing the fruit of our labour to publishing companies, who make millions by selling it.
You need to do a skit on trying publish material and the reviewers have no idea what your specialty is about. Yet they ask questions that the editors want addressed. My husband complains of this often especially if he already addressed the questions within the paper but they aren’t specialists and didn’t catch that. He’s in planetary science.
The post doc working 2 jobs rings true😆
That post doc salary hit me hard, bruh.
Science is primarily sponsored by public funding and the nature of science demands access for everybody regardless of means or origin. It has to become free to everyone! This will be the next true civil achievement since public schooling and equality.
Love u doc . Your every expressison gives different vibes. Feel like seeing different person althought all of the actually the same person🤣
As always, your videos are hilarious…but serious question: I was under the impression that study authors are allowed to send you their article if you contact them directly? I work as a paramedic and can’t afford a subscription to damn near anything, so this has always been my ace in the hole if I run across an abstract that could be practice-changing.
Eh it is a maybe. Depends on the publisher as to whether thats in the clause. Very unlikely the publishing house will bother when it is person to person access, bit different if they self archive though.
I used to work in academia and I actually never ran into a journal that would have a problem with something like that. But then again, I was never involved in anything good enough to try for the top-tier journals; maybe they have different rules.
By the way, if you are really wanting a full copy of a paper, you might want to pay special attention to the things mentioned in this video:
th-cam.com/video/PriwCi6SzLo/w-d-xo.html
Usually academics have copyright over the pre-proof version of the manuscript and many institutions require academics to deposit this into an in-house repository; there are waiting periods for redistribution. Additionally most journals give you a watermarked PDF of the final proof version for emailing to collaborators, although this generally anyone who emails requesting it. I always say yes because it means they are more likely to cite it, and a lot of students all over the world are really happy to get a PDF of a paper they can't access otherwise.
I can send you my article, but you're not supposed to post it on any public forum. Or Nanny gets it.
I was kinda comforted when I found out my father died with a copy of my thesis on his bedside table
(Because...I think he might have been the only person that read it...that I didn't have to pay)
But now I'm wondering if the University didn't have him eliminated
This is DARK...and VERY REALISTIC.
The funniest thing is that we laugh at this stuff instead of burning down their offices :)
One thing that I have done is go to the NIH. Look up the first author. Find his/her funding. Scroll through the publications listed that are associated with that grant. Click on it, and you wind up at the PubMed citation view. Most times I can read the whole article. It's also insertable into your citaton database. Or, it used to be that way.
RIP Nana
"Nana knows what she did"
It took well over a year for my last paper to get published 🙄 and I’m *still* waiting on two others!
Oh my Dr G is a genius 🤣🤣🤣
So accurate. Thank you for this story of my research life.
As a seasoned pirate... well you know what to do.
You're a legend man. Well done.
Notes from a non-lawyer who knows a little bit about IP and contract law: 1) Contracts signed under duress, including with unreasonable timelines in which one or more parties are not able to read and understand their agreement, are potentially non-enforceable; 2) You still own the IP that you are licensing to a publisher; 3) The first sale doctrine gives the owners of copyrighted works the rights to sell, lend, or share their copies without having to obtain permission or pay fees, which means if you buy a copy of the journal, gift it to your grandmother, who in turn shares it with her nursing home community on the bulletin board the publisher cannot prevent any of that from happening.
As an academic generating IP, it's important to know your rights and push back against the greedy corporatists masquerading as paragons of knowledge when they strong arm the actual generators of scientific knowledge.
Still just as painfully funny whenever I rewatch this. 😂 My PhD supervisor frequently asks me if I'm "certain" I want to continue in research and we both laugh and agree it's cursed
Run, Nana!!! Ruuunnnn!!! Oh, wait you're in a wheelchair.... Roll, Nana! Rooollllll!!!!!
NANA, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
This is why librarians are so amazing
This is also all true. Hospital contracts with physicians now almost all state they own anything you make related to the business of medicine, including online content or books! It's actually what drove me into private practice.
And this is a big part why I never bothered to pursue academics beyond my bachelor's degree. So many shenanigans.
Everytime i hear Bachelor all i can think about is:
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For non German speakers ... it says:
"I think i only do Bachelor of the Universe for starters."
The irony of how counter intuitive this really is... *We are doomed!*
There are some very accomplished people in the comment section. Hi y'all. Congratulations on working hard and achieving your goals.
Oh the 4 revisions, months of silence and existential crises! And then on Friday evening they send an email that I saw on Tuesday morning and had to sign and submit in 1 hour! This is sooo true! And now I can't share it because of copyright!
I clicked so fast- im addicted to binge watching your videos😂🤍
I've engaged in some unauthorized public dissemination myself
I like how they dont want the revolutionary idea to exist if they dont profit from it.
Journal guy is giving me extreme Mr. Cutter from Wolf 359 vibes.
Terrifying.
This filled me with mild rage... Time to listen to Super Gore Nest to embrace it or the Home Depot Theme to turn it into productive energy that I won't use!
I see you're a DOOM fan
nice
@@amsyarzero Hell yeah! I don't play many games, even though I'd like to, but Doom is my favorite!
Couldn’t finish this video. It gave me PTSD flashbacks 😭 It’s not even satire, just the truth.
1:45 “Tristopher!” 😂
yeah, the whole publishing industry has certainly made me question if academic research is even worth it
I fucking love my field and what I do, and I love playing with math and ideas, but dear God if it means I have to deal with publishers then I might just become a peasant who puts everything on arXiv, money and prestige be damned
It’s not. Go into industry where you are actually appreciated for your work and financially compensated in a reasonable way, as well as the ability to get promotions. Academia is a massive joke. The chemistry labs in my university that got the most funding were the ones that did the most useless research (but they can “sell” it as green!), and their students couldn’t even get jobs because their skills were completely useless in the real world. That with the publishing industry made me realize how stupid this whole thing is
Postdoc life aint for everyone, that's why Im a nurse. Actually there's way more reason's than that.
It really makes me sick that it's so difficult to just be a helpful member of the community that saves lives and puts smiles on people's faces. You have to do almost 10 years of total training or even more for some specialities, then you have to deal with toxic hospital agendas, and it's made impossible for researchers to make any money on their research that took them literal years to produce.
Just tear humanity down, they don't deserve the love of the millions of nurses and docs around the world. I hope one day someone pulls a Hitler on toxic corporations and successfully "takes down" these insufferable assholes. I'm sure if journal publications became open source and donation based that millions of people would gladly donate plenty to this cause, because just as there are so many insufferable parasites in these realms, there are probably even more good people who are glad to help such causes; we just need a decent group for once who can get enough power to overshine the success of other toxic corps, and not drown in that power.
Sigh... We can only dream. God bless all of you doctors and nurses who are truly genuine and loving.
commits 5 traffic violations on my way to the nursing home in hopes of catching the paper before tristopher arrives
Love your publishing pieces. Such a coincidence, partner just submitted a paper, and complaining about these exact issue. I remembered some of your previous vids on the topic and came straight here to show him. And voilà new video! Nice, but how do we change this system?
I published a book once. Mailed it to myself. The US postal mark I was told is a defacto copyright. Then I got it published.
Do not open the envelope.
@@miragegrey4177 I got it copyrighted properly before publishing. This was a pre copyright.