...I hear you Brotherman...vibration elimination with electrical tape at strategic points on inner barrel to snugg fit to the outer barrel and improve harmonics...damn 🤪🤯!
www.monkeemods.com/wbb/titan-gel-stopper?keyword=gel%20stopper. Just beware these drop into a 7.5mm inner.Tighter bores you will have to machine / drill out. They also have brass and stainless inner barrels. shipping to aus quite fast as well but expect to pay around $28 shipping
Go to a hobby shop that specialises in rc helicopters. I’m currently using carbon fibre tubes for an inner barrel. You can get it in 1 metre lengths they come in various inner and outer diameters. Im currently using 7.24mm inner diameter and 9.52 outer diameter solid carbon fibre inner barrels. And it works great.
As a solution to all my blasters, I line my inner barrel with heatshrink so its snug inside the outer barrel - and I have some laser cut foam discs (from gym mats) that fit inside the handguard and outbarrel really snug so it takes most of the vibrations and movement out - Im getting super accurate hits from 30m+ under 300fps.
Yea that’s a great idea, I use electric tape instead, but the idea is definitely to reduce vibration as much as possible. 280-300 FPS is definitely the sweet spot for better trajectory as well.
copper / aluminium. heat - expansion/contraction. corrosion (salts in water supply). would a synthetic (or stock) inner be more consistent and survive longer? support it more or a teflon inner coating to reduce friction and corrosion. I have NFI but thought I'd ask
The copper tube I use has been treated and does not oxidise, as for expansion and contraction, I have yet to notice any significant effect on performance as I was just playing a few games just a few weeks back and it was 5 below zero. The gel balls freezing up and clogging up the magazine was more of a problem. As for the material you mentioned, that's a bit too high end and beyond my experience. I would encourage you to experiment, but you should also get all the other kinds of tube to compare results. The copper tube I use has mirror finish inside I use it for all the blasters I have and it has served me well for quite a long while now. At the end of the day, what you want is a material that is heavy enough to not get affected by vibration as much as possible. As for the finish inside the tube, I have only experienced mirror finish with the associated material, have never tried coating with other material. However, I have seen people add a bit of laundry detergent to their gel balls to reduce friction, whether that really improved performance, I have yet to try myself as I don't want any soap residue inside my blasters. Anyway, experiment! Share the results with the community.
@@galapagosj3021 excellent response. many thanks. that the metals are treated is good. aussie water has lots in it (that aint water). I agree on detergent. perhaps soluble oil - perhaps not. I will try the mat gels (got milkies) and barrel stabilisation before going any further. at 20m, I get about a 1m spread with less than 10% striking a small plate. cheers and fingers crossed for more subs
I order from a store called Mr. Gel Ball and he custom orders the pipes with specific diameters, although I’d imagine it also comes from refrigeration pipes, it’s possible, but I haven’t compared yet.
What's the opinion on Stainless Steel? I'm running a 7.1mm inner diameter Steel barrel. My ACR is running on average 95m/s (320 FPS) and my Gen8 M4 is running the same at 74m/s (240FPS) Both running Rizer R1 Hopups, and both are relatively accurate to 30-40m.
Hi Melekharn, the idea for choosing a different material other than aluminium is to have something heavier that won't be affected by vibration as easily. I have not tried stainless steel before but if you keep your current 7.1mm inner diameter with a 9.5mm standard outer diameter, I'd imagine to be very heavy, which is what you want. You just need to make sure that the inner barrel can be mirror finish because at 7.1mm, you are applying a bit of pressure on the gel balls as they go through the barrel, so less friction the better. 95m/s is considered high speed for gel blasters so if you were able to get good accuracy for 30-40m, that's very good already, doesn't seem like you need to consider stainless steel. I chose copper because it's heavy yet still easy to modify, stainless on the other hand might be a bit difficult unless you have the tools. So it's more of a balance. Your M4's range is good due to the hop-up but I would not say that is effective range, because at 74 m/s, hitting someone around 20-30m would feel like a tap. Effective range to me would be the range that can still hurt enough for the person you hit to call out "hit". So having considered all this, I would leave the ACR as is, and upgrade the M4, including the steel barrel as a test subject, once you have it all figured out, then apply it to the ACR.
@@galapagosj3021 Both are currently running the steel barrels - and yeah, they've been polished to a mirror finish. The Rizers fit snuggly inside the outer of the ACR which offers a nice amount of stabilization, and since the M4 barrel is a bit shorter, the suppressor helps that out as well. I was actually a bit shocked when I found my M4 only doing 74m/s (240fps), as its been modded and that's supposed to be the stock velocity.. Might have to pull the box apart again. I just recently found your channel, and you've inspired me to look into building my own CQB blaster, and I'll certainly look at some of the upgrade options you've shown off.
I got it from a gel blaster seller called Mr. Gel Ball, but he has yet to open up sales to international market, I'm talking to him right now to see if he can open up an eBay store for you guys or something.
Hi Benjamin, regarding the steel barrels, another commenter had already asked the same question so I'm just going to post the reply I gave him here to maintain consistency: "I'd say any material that is heavy enough to reduce vibration would be good. I haven't tried stainless steel before but I'd imagine it to be a lot more difficult to modify compared to copper (other than cutting to length, you still need to polish and bevel the exit ends of the tube). Stainless steel is much too hard and requires a lot more machinery that my work shop does not have. Copper is still soft enough that many of my hand tools are able to deal with. The consideration would then be, is it really necessary to have an inner barrel at such high tensile strength? Inner barrels don't experience any wear and tear anyway, so as long as it meets the need of reducing vibration and it doesn't get affected by water (rusting), easy to modify, then its already good enough. That would be my consideration when selecting a new material for inner barrel tubing. It's always good to experiment though, let me know what other materials you discover in the future!"
Regarding copper barrels, try sourcing it at those huge DIY stores where you can find copper refrigeration pipes or air conditioner pipes. The guy I source it from doesn't deal internationally, so he won't be able to ship to you, but this shouldn't be too difficult to find locally.
Here you go bro: m.tb.cn/h.V11cwyt?sm=1cf8c2 If you understand the language or have someone who can help you, this store has a lot of great stuff specifically developed for gel blaster. While other stores may sell items borrowed from airsoft, this store's merchandise are all specially formulated for gel blasters, including the springs and such. Other than the hop-ups, you can pretty much get everything else I mention from here.
hi. i have a lehui vector v2 and i upgrade the gear to metal one and the spring to 1.3. but i still have the plastic inner barrel. what kind of barrel do you recomend and how long? its the better for you?
I'd say any material that is heavy enough to reduce vibration would be good. I haven't tried stainless steel before but I'd imagine it to be a lot more difficult to modify compared to copper (other than cutting to length, you still need to polish and bevel the exit ends of the tube). Stainless steel is much too hard and requires a lot more machinery that my work shop does not have. Copper is still soft enough that many of my hand tools are able to deal with. The consideration would then be, is it really necessary to have an inner barrel at such high tensile strength? Inner barrels don't experience any wear and tear anyway, so as long as it meets the need of reducing vibration and it doesn't get affected by water (rusting), easy to modify, then its already good enough. That would be my consideration when selecting a new material for inner barrel tubing. It's always good to experiment though, let me know what other materials you discover in the future!
All from an online shopping platform from PRC, a lot of sellers for all things gel blasters but the whole site is in Chinese so if u have a Chinese friend, get him / her to help you out, I can recommend all the most reliable shops.
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...I hear you Brotherman...vibration elimination with electrical tape at strategic points on inner barrel to snugg fit to the outer barrel and improve harmonics...damn 🤪🤯!
where about roughly would you place the tape to achieve that O_O?
at the moment i lay the whole barrel length with masking tape for now lol
Great video. I’m a huge stainless fan but I think I’ll have to give copper a try.
Thanks.
Fantastic video !
That’s the kinda stuff you want to know !
Thanks m8
Great video mate. As an Australian i'm yet to see copper barrels and gel ball stoppers over here.
For the gel ball stopper, it might be harder to find, but for the copper tubes, try getting it from refrigeration parts.
Bruismaster sells the copper barrels m8. But be prepared to wait. I've had mine on order since mid December.
www.monkeemods.com/wbb/titan-gel-stopper?keyword=gel%20stopper. Just beware these drop into a 7.5mm inner.Tighter bores you will have to machine / drill out.
They also have brass and stainless inner barrels. shipping to aus quite fast as well but expect to pay around $28 shipping
Go to a hobby shop that specialises in rc helicopters. I’m currently using carbon fibre tubes for an inner barrel.
You can get it in 1 metre lengths they come in various inner and outer diameters.
Im currently using 7.24mm inner diameter and 9.52 outer diameter solid carbon fibre inner barrels. And it works great.
As a solution to all my blasters, I line my inner barrel with heatshrink so its snug inside the outer barrel - and I have some laser cut foam discs (from gym mats) that fit inside the handguard and outbarrel really snug so it takes most of the vibrations and movement out - Im getting super accurate hits from 30m+ under 300fps.
Yea that’s a great idea, I use electric tape instead, but the idea is definitely to reduce vibration as much as possible. 280-300 FPS is definitely the sweet spot for better trajectory as well.
Copper is difficult to find in Australia. Brass is easier to find
copper / aluminium. heat - expansion/contraction. corrosion (salts in water supply).
would a synthetic (or stock) inner be more consistent and survive longer? support it more or a teflon inner coating to reduce friction and corrosion.
I have NFI but thought I'd ask
The copper tube I use has been treated and does not oxidise, as for expansion and contraction, I have yet to notice any significant effect on performance as I was just playing a few games just a few weeks back and it was 5 below zero. The gel balls freezing up and clogging up the magazine was more of a problem. As for the material you mentioned, that's a bit too high end and beyond my experience. I would encourage you to experiment, but you should also get all the other kinds of tube to compare results. The copper tube I use has mirror finish inside I use it for all the blasters I have and it has served me well for quite a long while now. At the end of the day, what you want is a material that is heavy enough to not get affected by vibration as much as possible. As for the finish inside the tube, I have only experienced mirror finish with the associated material, have never tried coating with other material. However, I have seen people add a bit of laundry detergent to their gel balls to reduce friction, whether that really improved performance, I have yet to try myself as I don't want any soap residue inside my blasters. Anyway, experiment! Share the results with the community.
@@galapagosj3021 excellent response. many thanks. that the metals are treated is good. aussie water has lots in it (that aint water).
I agree on detergent. perhaps soluble oil - perhaps not.
I will try the mat gels (got milkies) and barrel stabilisation before going any further. at 20m, I get about a 1m spread with less than 10% striking a small plate.
cheers and fingers crossed for more subs
Great video thanks.
You probably already are but are you using refrigeration grade copper pipe? because that comes vacuum sealed and the inside is polished.
I order from a store called Mr. Gel Ball and he custom orders the pipes with specific diameters, although I’d imagine it also comes from refrigeration pipes, it’s possible, but I haven’t compared yet.
Thanks for the video. Do you mind sharing a taobao link for the copper barrels?
Sure, here it is: m.tb.cn/h.VcZGpgg?sm=c14033
Hi, is there any other glue that can use in stead of the air tight seal glue?
What's the opinion on Stainless Steel?
I'm running a 7.1mm inner diameter Steel barrel. My ACR is running on average 95m/s (320 FPS) and my Gen8 M4 is running the same at 74m/s (240FPS)
Both running Rizer R1 Hopups, and both are relatively accurate to 30-40m.
Hi Melekharn, the idea for choosing a different material other than aluminium is to have something heavier that won't be affected by vibration as easily. I have not tried stainless steel before but if you keep your current 7.1mm inner diameter with a 9.5mm standard outer diameter, I'd imagine to be very heavy, which is what you want. You just need to make sure that the inner barrel can be mirror finish because at 7.1mm, you are applying a bit of pressure on the gel balls as they go through the barrel, so less friction the better. 95m/s is considered high speed for gel blasters so if you were able to get good accuracy for 30-40m, that's very good already, doesn't seem like you need to consider stainless steel. I chose copper because it's heavy yet still easy to modify, stainless on the other hand might be a bit difficult unless you have the tools. So it's more of a balance. Your M4's range is good due to the hop-up but I would not say that is effective range, because at 74 m/s, hitting someone around 20-30m would feel like a tap. Effective range to me would be the range that can still hurt enough for the person you hit to call out "hit". So having considered all this, I would leave the ACR as is, and upgrade the M4, including the steel barrel as a test subject, once you have it all figured out, then apply it to the ACR.
@@galapagosj3021 Both are currently running the steel barrels - and yeah, they've been polished to a mirror finish. The Rizers fit snuggly inside the outer of the ACR which offers a nice amount of stabilization, and since the M4 barrel is a bit shorter, the suppressor helps that out as well.
I was actually a bit shocked when I found my M4 only doing 74m/s (240fps), as its been modded and that's supposed to be the stock velocity.. Might have to pull the box apart again.
I just recently found your channel, and you've inspired me to look into building my own CQB blaster, and I'll certainly look at some of the upgrade options you've shown off.
Where did you get those Gel Ball stoppers? Cheers.
I got it from a gel blaster seller called Mr. Gel Ball, but he has yet to open up sales to international market, I'm talking to him right now to see if he can open up an eBay store for you guys or something.
Awesome vid. Again! 👍👍 2 Q’s:
What do you think of stainless steel barrels.
Is there a link for a copper barrel supplier you can recommend?
Thanks J
Hi Benjamin, regarding the steel barrels, another commenter had already asked the same question so I'm just going to post the reply I gave him here to maintain consistency: "I'd say any material that is heavy enough to reduce vibration would be good. I haven't tried stainless steel before but I'd imagine it to be a lot more difficult to modify compared to copper (other than cutting to length, you still need to polish and bevel the exit ends of the tube).
Stainless steel is much too hard and requires a lot more machinery that my work shop does not have. Copper is still soft enough that many of my hand tools are able to deal with.
The consideration would then be, is it really necessary to have an inner barrel at such high tensile strength? Inner barrels don't experience any wear and tear anyway, so as long as it meets the need of reducing vibration and it doesn't get affected by water (rusting), easy to modify, then its already good enough.
That would be my consideration when selecting a new material for inner barrel tubing. It's always good to experiment though, let me know what other materials you discover in the future!"
Regarding copper barrels, try sourcing it at those huge DIY stores where you can find copper refrigeration pipes or air conditioner pipes. The guy I source it from doesn't deal internationally, so he won't be able to ship to you, but this shouldn't be too difficult to find locally.
Thanks again. I’ll let you now if I find anything interesting out there. 👍
@@galapagosj3021 what's the wall thickness of the tube? 0.81mm is available here in AU, but 0.91mm is like hens teeth.
#GalapagosJ A list of where to get all these parts would be great !
Where can I find that copper barrel? I try searching taobao but you know, it's hard if I don't know Chinese. Thanks.
Here you go bro: m.tb.cn/h.V11cwyt?sm=1cf8c2
If you understand the language or have someone who can help you, this store has a lot of great stuff specifically developed for gel blaster. While other stores may sell items borrowed from airsoft, this store's merchandise are all specially formulated for gel blasters, including the springs and such. Other than the hop-ups, you can pretty much get everything else I mention from here.
hi. i have a lehui vector v2 and i upgrade the gear to metal one and the spring to 1.3. but i still have the plastic inner barrel. what kind of barrel do you recomend and how long? its the better for you?
If u can source copper barrel try that but since it’s such a short inner barrel aluminum will do fine as well. And I use 12cm.
Love your videos, what's your thoughts on stainless steel inner barrels?
I'd say any material that is heavy enough to reduce vibration would be good. I haven't tried stainless steel before but I'd imagine it to be a lot more difficult to modify compared to copper (other than cutting to length, you still need to polish and bevel the exit ends of the tube).
Stainless steel is much too hard and requires a lot more machinery that my work shop does not have. Copper is still soft enough that many of my hand tools are able to deal with.
The consideration would then be, is it really necessary to have an inner barrel at such high tensile strength? Inner barrels don't experience any wear and tear anyway, so as long as it meets the need of reducing vibration and it doesn't get affected by water (rusting), easy to modify, then its already good enough.
That would be my consideration when selecting a new material for inner barrel tubing. It's always good to experiment though, let me know what other materials you discover in the future!
How would one even polish an in copper tube?
It's pre-machined, I would think it's very difficult to do it yourself lol
Hi, just wondering where did you get your metal T-Hops/ T-Pieces from?
All from an online shopping platform from PRC, a lot of sellers for all things gel blasters but the whole site is in Chinese so if u have a Chinese friend, get him / her to help you out, I can recommend all the most reliable shops.
@@galapagosj3021 Thanks mate, I'll see what I can do
Instead of a hopup what about rifleing the barrel like they did with muskets and today weapons would it work
No, round objects need to rely on the Magnus effect to maintain an upward trajectory, rifling is more for long ammunition to maintain stability.