Looking forward to seeing the entire process! I do not have time for this now, but when I was young I made model houses and even cars for my Märklin trainset - so you are fulfilling a dream / memory from yesteryear.
Thank you. This project is another new opportunity for me to learn and follow step-by-step. We keep watching whole building process from beginning to complete.
Plan looks good. The advantage of a central back scene is that you can model a different landscape or even a different season (summer one side, winter the other for example) as opposed to a scenic divider like hills or buildings. Or course with buildings as a divider it does allow for some very tall buildings if you are modelling a city. So both have their pros and cons. No doubt things will get tweaked when construction starts, they always do!
Good to see you back. Love your practical approach to everything you do. That includes the precise and detailed explanations of your ideas/processes. Stay well and keep posting your progress. From Florida.
I realize now what I missed building my previous layout. Great advises! I have now shut down my line and converted to outdoor railroading with 184 mm gauge. But I will continue to follow you! :)
Interesting layout plan for you space. We decided to use one of the rooms in the Basement of our new house for my layout it's around 4m * 5m but also has to double up as my workspace. 3d print room is going to be in an out building . I shall be following your new layout build with great interest. :-)
Hello, nice to see a new video from you. If I may give my suggestion, instead of a center backdrop I would make a hilly scenary with some buildings and forests and occasional watercourses/waterfalls. Best regards from Brazil.
This is so cool. I have seen others going through full design/build/run but for some reason this is cooler because - I don't know, it is real time? Like I am coming along for the ride and not just getting the reports afterward.
I don't have Space, Time, or Money for a layout at present but even I have started compiling a list of all the fun stuff I would want if I ever do have the Space, time and money for a layout
Nice plans. Well thought out. My wife wants to move off of this mountain into town. Maybe then I can get started on a new layout. Until then, I continue to build my turn of the 19th century freight cars which were mostly based on the truss rod flatcar. I usually don't have to worry about much brake detail 'cause they didn't have any or very crude ones. Then came the K-brakes which I have on a few of my freight cars. I'd much rather build my rolling stock from kits like IHC old time freight cars, BTS (Better Than Scratch), Silver Streak, Train Miniatures and Tichy Train Group. I can personalize them as I go and I love building kits. Cheers from eastern TN
You actually touched on an aspect that is all too often overlooked, especially in this age of the youtube model railroad design and advice bureaus. That is: you love building kits, and jolly well done. Where this is at, is all too often the layout design advice all have the expectation that every modeller is after the same end goal using the same methods and ideas to get there. Modellers of course have this great thing that unites them: they're all different. An example is dcc saving wiring, which is true. What that overlooks is that very often a modeller might actually enjoy wiring their layout. Use the widest radius curves you can, again, works for some, not necessarily to everyone's taste: I purposely try to run the smallest radius I practically can: I like the look of Swiss crocodiles bending their articulated frames around the tight alpine passes. Some like to build kits, with many, many details and an aesthetic masterpiece. Sometimes a layout, let alone a system style layout, isn't a priority, nor a necessity, for their personal enjoyment of the hobby. I always feel, especially to those modellers who denigrate by saying it's just a toy train then, as being extraordinarily blinkered. Why does a hobbyist who enjoys toy trains, who builds kits, who has 165 locomotives and a short piece of flex track to run them on have any less enjoyment? Keep building those kits: tichy are awesome, and silverstreak...
That looks like an interesting concept. In my case, I'd have to have my layout both ceiling and wall-mounted as I don't have enough room for a layout on a number of ikea tables (Floor space is just not enough without making the room unnecessarily cramped (The room that I plan to build my layout in is small)). Will apply a similar concept to my layout when it's eventually built. Jolly good show Martin @marklinofsweden
Hi @marklinofsweden. For the climbing spiral, i had the same issue. But the solution of me was to let the train climb behind the picture of the clouds and sky. This way dust stays out of the climbing tracks and you can even make an integration in some modules. So more train fun and more "mainline" fun. If you lay a double track you can have two or even more trains going up and down at the same time. I've created three tracks like this where trains can run without ever being a chance that they would collide. I've also found out that hills and mountains are a perfect place to park trains, like a "shadowstation" kind of way.
Great video. Nice explanation of your design decision process. Before starting my layout, I created MANY different designs using RailModeller Pro before I started the build - and like you, I had a pretty clear idea of what I wanted to include in these designs. Having a good plan makes the actual build go so much better! Looking forward to seeing this build progress!
I feel an enlarged martinstown would be pretty cool, with its multi industries, shadow stations, off shore staging, and a purpose for train movements. There's soooo many track planning references available: I do like the alba gleispläne publications. The old GDR plans were very detailed: the obvious track plans, but also, for example Gerhard Trost' Kleine Eisenbahn, the author prescribes what every siding is for, and best practice manoeuvres. Very well thought out. I feel something too add is the advice that geographically specific operations can be extremely limiting: the US industrial spur type layout that's so frequently espoused as a switching layout, just plain doesn't work in 99% of other prototypes, they practically don't exist elsewhere, and make zero allowance for passenger traffic which is so prevalent elsewhere. I'm not a fan of helixes: they hide a serious amount of track and although they serve their purpose, I always feel that there's a more aesthetically pleasing way to facilitate the same function. Look at Burr Stewart's layout where it just grows in multi layered scenic joy. Have fun doing your thing Martin, just don't let layout building get in the way of putting in that new bench top...
Hi! I totally agree with you about geographically specific operation can be limiting. That´s why I prefer implementing it in a second step if at all valid or possible. I also agree on your opinions about helixes. Sometimes necessary for certain applications, but is to be avoided if not absolutely necessary.
You are off to a good start. I would like to make a couple of suggestions. 1. Abandon the "walk around" in favour of more layout real estate. The area by the wall could be used for "loop" running passenger trains. 2. You are not getting any younger. Move your wiring from under the layout to the top and/or front of the layout. Your knees, back and eyes will thank you. I am in the process of doing this, wish I had done it years ago. Love your channel.
Hi, like your layout plan, it's your railway.... personally I always thing a centre peninsula type, as you are now planning, is not using the space to it's best advantage. Your original idea of double with spiral oblong to increase track length... possibly where work bench is currently located... give far better use of space.... Cheers Andrew
Hi Andrew, Yepp. You´re right about usage of space. Lines could be longer following the walls around the room. However, such layout configuration is much harder to fit into another space in someone else's home. Since I plan now to complete this layout in the coming 2-3 years and then build a new again, it´s important to also make the design easy to disassemble, transport and re-build somewhere else.
Hello It looks like a good mocking approach, I'll follow you to see how it evolves, a question of the use of the design of the model? Thanks, greetings from Madrid, Spain
Hi! Thank you! No, half way was not considered. It would be very hard to realize a helix going through the wall like that. Also, since I intend to sell the layout, it does not make any sense.
Looks like a similar sized space as what I have to use. Be interesting to see how different the layouts end up being. However i would put trains (helix) before 3d printing as multilevel means more layout in less space. I'm sure a spot could easily be found for 3d printing! Also in the space if you build it sneakily, instead of a helix, you have a incline that starts at the doorway works its way along the wall so that by the time it reaches around to the table it should be the height of the next level as long as its not to high. Then you can hide it behind backboard scenery.
So..just to correct you on something, and I may be wrong on this, but I've never heard a yard be refereed to as a "division yard" here in the US. We do use division, but that term is very specific in the cases I've heard it used, which is to refer to a specific rail-line & the trains that operate over it, never yards. In modeling terms we have a main yard, but in the real world it's typically either a regional yard, local yard, or transfer yard. Edit: I remembered that disivion is also railroad specific after posting, so to build on that; CSX uses both Division & Sub-division, BNSF uses the same language, UP(Union Pacific) uses district, however with CPKC (Canadian Pacific Kansas City (former Canadian Pacific & Kansas City Southern respectively)), and Canadian National use some sort of the two, however I'm not familiar with their language. And for those asking about Amtrak...they only have the Northeast Corridor(NEC), I doubt they actually have any divisions, or districts, however Amtrak owned trains running in "corridors" like the NEC but not on Amtrak owned tracks are called corridor trains...or as the Pennsy fans like to call them; "Clockers"
Thank you Rodney! No, I have not searched for tutorials, but I could probably need to watch some too, because my technique is poor. Is okay for my personal use, but feel it´s not up to standard when presenting here on TH-cam.
Hello Martin, I don't like the idea of a centralised layout. I think it's only good for very large spaces, not for private home layouts. If you build the layout around the walls you can double your straight track length. Have you thought about a turn under your workspace? Greetings, A
Hi! I agree with you and the many voices about not include the backdrop. It will be placed on the walls instead. I made several attempts with tracks along the walls, but didn´t find a appealing solution for it. We´ll see what the final track plan will look like after a week a implementation of viewer feedback.
Nice plan, but is there a lower deck at 800mm? 800 mm is less than one meter high. Should the main deck be approximately at 1250mm for better viewing? Just curious if you could expand on this?
Hi Alex, Thank you for your input! However, I have bad experience with oblong helixes. The changing radius tend to make the NEM-couplings push coaches off track. Works fine for trains up to 5 coaches, but longer than that is a no-no. I rebuilt the oblong helix using code 100 tracks and less gradient, but problem remained.
What gauge are you going to use? I am pleased to see that you have given lots of room for access. That was my mistake and I regret it often. As others have said I would lose the backdrop in favour of scenic divisions.
What is the increase of height in your Helix? Is it 3 %, or what? Will the Helix have more than two tracks? You said "the radius of the helix is 800 mm", right?
Hi! Yes, the grades still needs to be figured out and the height measures currently in the plan is only for reference. One of the major objects going into this design is to avoid too steep grades, which my precious layout suffered from. The switching yards needs to level and the lines must be able to pass under/over at each terminal. Otherwise, all other heights will be made in the landscape to create an exciting scenery, not in the tracks..
@@marklinofsweden ok, I got it. I’m building my layout in n scale , all around the walls in a room 5,6 x 4,6 m which will be a Tuscany coast in the middle of 80s. Happy building!!!
Hello from Canada... A while ago (3 years or so..) I happened to come across one of your videos on how to use paper towel and water based polyurethane resin to create waves in the water... My first time trying it however, worked yes but nothing compared to what your result was... Perhaps it was the pre- preparation such as coloring the "bottom of the ocean" sorta speak. Starting with dark colors (usually grey for ocean/Sea or a brown tone for rivers, lakes and streams. This was something I may have initially overlooked prior to applying the varnish. Here's Crossing the fingers 🤞🏻 I get better results but if it's possible, could you please inform me of what brown shade of paint like perhaps burnt seana or burnt umber (?) Thanks in advance! I recently received a bottle of stuff called "make water" or just plain "water" which is a one part application
First, it would really help if more commenters would share a few ideas. Tell us what you are doing. I try; if someone wants to ‘can’ me, I don’t care, and I don’t care because I hurt no one. But you never know: something you say might just help someone. These pages are raked over by some whose lives are challenging. Help one of them and you are ‘gold’. Believe me, the lives of some are really hard. I’ve been trying to put a few lines together on this, and it is near impossible. At the simplest level IT”S ALL ABOUT SHARING IDEAS ( and learning to type in capitals). ------------- Oh Martin: forty turnouts, and that’s without the storage. It’s enough to send the girls hugging their teddies (or me tickling my Golden Retriever - if I still had one). Seriously mate, I reckon I can operationally handle about fifteen turnouts. There is an argument for simpler layouts: when viewing the real thing we usually get a close-up standard lens view; the reason it satisfies is because the wider field is ‘suggested’, leading to the infinity of the mind. We can do that too. Marklin present a dream; what started me was the ‘sit’ of the models; IT"S ALL ABOUT SUGGESTION. That is why examining an individual model in the model shop is so satisfying; think: we perceive the model as itself, not immersed in layout. Capturing field of view takes us a long way. In my waterlogged environment I have about 22 turnouts, and I use about 12. With a bit of imagination, and view control, that is way more operation than I can manage. (This is just me, remember; others are different). A Late friend said of wood glue joints: ‘It’s not where the glue is, it’s where the glue was’. There is a bit of that here: ‘It’s not what modelled, it’s what it’s assumed to be modelled, but isn’t. You are so right about radii and real-estate. The biggest space hog I encounter is the ‘turnback’, by which I mean the radii that turn the train. The worst of it, at least for me, is the ‘peninsula’. Keeping in mind you make your presentations with others in mind, I really liked your recoil from that spiral radius. Brilliant. It’s not where you are going Martin, but it might help if you aired the principles of a shelf layout around the room. Not a piece of cake, but it can work really well. Huge radii; lift-out access hatch about 400mm x 60; nearly all of the room’s footprint available for other things; even room for your second-hand lathe, subject to floor loadings. Would someone give a thumbs up; or a thumbs down, or say Pete's mad and should be sent to Pal Dogfood, or Pete's not completely mad. Contribute ideas. Does anyone know how to highlight in this format; I have been driven to Capitals, and t hey look 'bossy'.
Hi Peter. Thank you for commenting. The main line will be computer operated using RocRail. Only the turnouts in the yards will be operated manually. As said.. The track plan is at a very early stage and will be transformed over the coming weeks. There are both several duplicate functions as well as missing functionality in there. I know it´s always a bad thing to present unfinished designs or models.. I don´t know what a space hog is. I tried google translate, but it refers to a pig in space, same with the recoil from weapon and spiral radius. Anyway.. Thank you for commenting and best greetings from a cold Sweden!
@@marklinofsweden Yes Martin: you need to avoid those flying pigs. Thanks for reading my comment; you are probably the only person who actually has! It matters to promote a bit of active comment, a kind of belonging to the conversation, and that without being too serious. If I am going to prod others to be part of the dialogue, I better do some commenting myself. The term 'model railroad' is a noun, but carries the force of a verb in the active voice. A 'space hog' is something that eats space. A 'hog' or a 'pig' is idiomatic English for 'taking a lot of something', going on towards 'Greed'. The descriptor of the term would be 'pejorative', a word with an interesting derivation. In our artform the worst space hog I can remember is/was a Marklin layout on a rectangular board that took up so much of the room as to allow nothing else. Simply hang the door swinging outwards and go around the room with a shelf, as suggested in my comments the modeller gets his layout, and everyone else gets their room back. No intention of telling anyone what to so, just fielding the idea. I failed to mention hanging the door outwards. Access to the room is usually by a lift-out section as mentioned, and if the door swings inward it can act as a bolt stopping emergency help getting in. Please stress fire extinguishers. You drew the spiral on your CAD, and then quickly saw what room it was 'hogging' and deleted it. 'Recoil' was my term for quickly backing-off. It's another idiom, suppose. Spiral radius refers to the 'diameter' of the spiral. The term 'radius' seems confounded with spirals because a true circle has no height, but what other term is there to quantify what is based on a circle. Now something I want you to do: keep presenting unfinished designs. Your presentation was BRILLIANT. It presents ideas: isn't that one thing that this about? That is why I commented. Apologies for not being on Patreon; that is why I restrict my viewing. It's going on three i n the morning, Time to retire. Be encouraged, and watch those flying pigs.
Hi Martin. I suppose you have many American subscribers because you persist in calling a railway the american version. I live in England and it hurts my ears! For the rest, keep on doing this great job! Arie
Great, but I would guess that starters just won't be doing this quite frankly. Taking some basic principles and ideas, then just get practical hands-on and learn from mistakes. Much more exciting perhaps, but yeah, there are of course always planners. We just learned from several model train channels, and started out building in real. However, each their own, certainly.
Hi! I use Anyrail. It just happened to be the first I came across, so I don´t if there are better ones around. I´m like semi-happy with it, but most Model railroad softwares are si-and-so I think. Home cooked..
Martin, your enthusiasm is priceless, I’m excited for you and this new adventure!!!
Looking forward to seeing the entire process! I do not have time for this now, but when I was young I made model houses and even cars for my Märklin trainset - so you are fulfilling a dream / memory from yesteryear.
Very informative. Thanks Martin
Thank you. This project is another new opportunity for me to learn and follow step-by-step. We keep watching whole building process from beginning to complete.
So looking forward to watching your new layout emerge. Congratulations!
Looking forward to seeing your process from the beginning, 👌👍
Plan looks good. The advantage of a central back scene is that you can model a different landscape or even a different season (summer one side, winter the other for example) as opposed to a scenic divider like hills or buildings. Or course with buildings as a divider it does allow for some very tall buildings if you are modelling a city. So both have their pros and cons. No doubt things will get tweaked when construction starts, they always do!
Can't wait for you to start building your layout, its always a pleasure.
Hey Martin. Layout plan is looking good. I look forward to watching your progress.
Regards… Steve 👍
A very logical and structured approach to design, keeping within the constraints of your space. Well done!
Thank you for your great advice on a plan thought process, as I am a complete novice, who wants everything but can only fit a small amount!
Hi 👋🏻 Martin 😊 it’s going to fantastic watching this new layout develop 👍🏻🏴
Hi. I'm so glad that you are starting a new layout. I look forward to seeing your excellent new videos. Good luck with it all. Dave Farrell
Good to see you back. Love your practical approach to everything you do. That includes the precise and detailed explanations of your ideas/processes. Stay well and keep posting your progress. From Florida.
I realize now what I missed building my previous layout. Great advises!
I have now shut down my line and converted to outdoor railroading with 184 mm gauge. But I will continue to follow you! :)
Interesting layout plan for you space. We decided to use one of the rooms in the Basement of our new house for my layout it's around 4m * 5m but also has to double up as my workspace. 3d print room is going to be in an out building . I shall be following your new layout build with great interest. :-)
Great plan. Look forward to seeing it come together.
Hello, nice to see a new video from you. If I may give my suggestion, instead of a center backdrop I would make a hilly scenary with some buildings and forests and occasional watercourses/waterfalls. Best regards from Brazil.
You’re on the right track Martin. 👍👍👍
Best of luck with the new project!
Good explanation of wishes over reality in layout planning, Martin, thank you.
This is so cool. I have seen others going through full design/build/run but for some reason this is cooler because - I don't know, it is real time? Like I am coming along for the ride and not just getting the reports afterward.
Impressive design , hi from Switzerland
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Great space for layout. I am slowly switching to TT because 4,3 x 2,7 m is not enough for H0 when you want to run EC with seven coaches.
I don't have Space, Time, or Money for a layout at present but even I have started compiling a list of all the fun stuff I would want if I ever do have the Space, time and money for a layout
Nice plans. Well thought out. My wife wants to move off of this mountain into town. Maybe then I can get started on a new layout. Until then, I continue to build my turn of the 19th century freight cars which were mostly based on the truss rod flatcar. I usually don't have to worry about much brake detail 'cause they didn't have any or very crude ones. Then came the K-brakes which I have on a few of my freight cars. I'd much rather build my rolling stock from kits like IHC old time freight cars, BTS (Better Than Scratch), Silver Streak, Train Miniatures and Tichy Train Group. I can personalize them as I go and I love building kits. Cheers from eastern TN
You actually touched on an aspect that is all too often overlooked, especially in this age of the youtube model railroad design and advice bureaus.
That is: you love building kits, and jolly well done.
Where this is at, is all too often the layout design advice all have the expectation that every modeller is after the same end goal using the same methods and ideas to get there.
Modellers of course have this great thing that unites them: they're all different.
An example is dcc saving wiring, which is true. What that overlooks is that very often a modeller might actually enjoy wiring their layout.
Use the widest radius curves you can, again, works for some, not necessarily to everyone's taste: I purposely try to run the smallest radius I practically can: I like the look of Swiss crocodiles bending their articulated frames around the tight alpine passes.
Some like to build kits, with many, many details and an aesthetic masterpiece. Sometimes a layout, let alone a system style layout, isn't a priority, nor a necessity, for their personal enjoyment of the hobby.
I always feel, especially to those modellers who denigrate by saying it's just a toy train then, as being extraordinarily blinkered.
Why does a hobbyist who enjoys toy trains, who builds kits, who has 165 locomotives and a short piece of flex track to run them on have any less enjoyment?
Keep building those kits: tichy are awesome, and silverstreak...
Merci du partage! Stéph.
That looks like an interesting concept. In my case, I'd have to have my layout both ceiling and wall-mounted as I don't have enough room for a layout on a number of ikea tables (Floor space is just not enough without making the room unnecessarily cramped (The room that I plan to build my layout in is small)). Will apply a similar concept to my layout when it's eventually built. Jolly good show Martin @marklinofsweden
Hi @marklinofsweden. For the climbing spiral, i had the same issue. But the solution of me was to let the train climb behind the picture of the clouds and sky. This way dust stays out of the climbing tracks and you can even make an integration in some modules. So more train fun and more "mainline" fun. If you lay a double track you can have two or even more trains going up and down at the same time. I've created three tracks like this where trains can run without ever being a chance that they would collide.
I've also found out that hills and mountains are a perfect place to park trains, like a "shadowstation" kind of way.
You prefer switching ops, that would be the type of operations you like
Looks great! I would also say: drop the backdrop and use scenery instead. Then you (and we, the viewers) can enjoy looking at trains from more angles.
Great video. Nice explanation of your design decision process. Before starting my layout, I created MANY different designs using RailModeller Pro before I started the build - and like you, I had a pretty clear idea of what I wanted to include in these designs. Having a good plan makes the actual build go so much better! Looking forward to seeing this build progress!
Perfect!
I feel an enlarged martinstown would be pretty cool, with its multi industries, shadow stations, off shore staging, and a purpose for train movements.
There's soooo many track planning references available: I do like the alba gleispläne publications.
The old GDR plans were very detailed: the obvious track plans, but also, for example Gerhard Trost' Kleine Eisenbahn, the author prescribes what every siding is for, and best practice manoeuvres.
Very well thought out.
I feel something too add is the advice that geographically specific operations can be extremely limiting: the US industrial spur type layout that's so frequently espoused as a switching layout, just plain doesn't work in 99% of other prototypes, they practically don't exist elsewhere, and make zero allowance for passenger traffic which is so prevalent elsewhere.
I'm not a fan of helixes: they hide a serious amount of track and although they serve their purpose, I always feel that there's a more aesthetically pleasing way to facilitate the same function.
Look at Burr Stewart's layout where it just grows in multi layered scenic joy.
Have fun doing your thing Martin, just don't let layout building get in the way of putting in that new bench top...
Hi! I totally agree with you about geographically specific operation can be limiting. That´s why I prefer implementing it in a second step if at all valid or possible. I also agree on your opinions about helixes. Sometimes necessary for certain applications, but is to be avoided if not absolutely necessary.
You are off to a good start. I would like to make a couple of suggestions. 1. Abandon the "walk around" in favour of more layout real estate. The area by the wall could be used for "loop" running passenger trains. 2. You are not getting any younger. Move your wiring from under the layout to the top and/or front of the layout. Your knees, back and eyes will thank you. I am in the process of doing this, wish I had done it years ago. Love your channel.
good luck👍 Have u seen the layout of Mr Renaud Yver. For me, it's the best layout in France😉
Hi, like your layout plan, it's your railway.... personally I always thing a centre peninsula type, as you are now planning, is not using the space to it's best advantage.
Your original idea of double with spiral oblong to increase track length... possibly where work bench is currently located... give far better use of space....
Cheers Andrew
Hi Andrew, Yepp. You´re right about usage of space. Lines could be longer following the walls around the room. However, such layout configuration is much harder to fit into another space in someone else's home. Since I plan now to complete this layout in the coming 2-3 years and then build a new again, it´s important to also make the design easy to disassemble, transport and re-build somewhere else.
Nice! May i add that choice of scale is also important. Difference between H0 and N for example? Not to critizise but to add to "the menu"!😅
FREMO modules and meetings are a cheaper way to run trains on a 200+ meters layouts, together with other enthusiasts 😊
oh, I wish I had a place like that and a mute wife!!! Greetings from Ukraine!
gtrea see you going build a new model railway thanks lee
Hello
It looks like a good mocking approach, I'll follow you to see how it evolves, a question of the use of the design of the model?
Thanks, greetings from Madrid, Spain
Very nice. Thank you for sharing. Are you going to build it as a modular? Thanks again.
Go N Scale and you can have room for ALL of your ambitions! :)
Very true.. but I can´t. I´m bound by destiny to H0..
Looking forward to the build
Did you consider putting the helix in the wall (half in each room)
Hi! Thank you! No, half way was not considered. It would be very hard to realize a helix going through the wall like that. Also, since I intend to sell the layout, it does not make any sense.
Looks like a similar sized space as what I have to use. Be interesting to see how different the layouts end up being. However i would put trains (helix) before 3d printing as multilevel means more layout in less space. I'm sure a spot could easily be found for 3d printing! Also in the space if you build it sneakily, instead of a helix, you have a incline that starts at the doorway works its way along the wall so that by the time it reaches around to the table it should be the height of the next level as long as its not to high. Then you can hide it behind backboard scenery.
So..just to correct you on something, and I may be wrong on this, but I've never heard a yard be refereed to as a "division yard" here in the US. We do use division, but that term is very specific in the cases I've heard it used, which is to refer to a specific rail-line & the trains that operate over it, never yards. In modeling terms we have a main yard, but in the real world it's typically either a regional yard, local yard, or transfer yard.
Edit: I remembered that disivion is also railroad specific after posting, so to build on that; CSX uses both Division & Sub-division, BNSF uses the same language, UP(Union Pacific) uses district, however with CPKC (Canadian Pacific Kansas City (former Canadian Pacific & Kansas City Southern respectively)), and Canadian National use some sort of the two, however I'm not familiar with their language. And for those asking about Amtrak...they only have the Northeast Corridor(NEC), I doubt they actually have any divisions, or districts, however Amtrak owned trains running in "corridors" like the NEC but not on Amtrak owned tracks are called corridor trains...or as the Pennsy fans like to call them; "Clockers"
Great start on the plan !!!
Looking great; I am excited to see the progress.
I use Anyrail7 but am very new at it. Any tips on good tutorials ?
Thank you Rodney! No, I have not searched for tutorials, but I could probably need to watch some too, because my technique is poor. Is okay for my personal use, but feel it´s not up to standard when presenting here on TH-cam.
Hello Martin,
I don't like the idea of a centralised layout. I think it's only good for very large spaces, not for private home layouts.
If you build the layout around the walls you can double your straight track length.
Have you thought about a turn under your workspace?
Greetings, A
Hi! I agree with you and the many voices about not include the backdrop. It will be placed on the walls instead. I made several attempts with tracks along the walls, but didn´t find a appealing solution for it. We´ll see what the final track plan will look like after a week a implementation of viewer feedback.
Nice plan, but is there a lower deck at 800mm? 800 mm is less than one meter high. Should the main deck be approximately at 1250mm for better viewing? Just curious if you could expand on this?
Ypu could make the helix an oblong, so its 600mm radius and 1200mm long, so the gradient is small and it can fit better
Hi Alex, Thank you for your input! However, I have bad experience with oblong helixes. The changing radius tend to make the NEM-couplings push coaches off track. Works fine for trains up to 5 coaches, but longer than that is a no-no. I rebuilt the oblong helix using code 100 tracks and less gradient, but problem remained.
Nice. How many trains will run there simultanously?
I guess 4-6 trains using Rocrail automation.
I am loving it❤
Tack Martin! As always your insights are gratefully received. Are you ever going to use M-track again?
Thank you! M-track? Yes, I use it for the Christmas layout around the tree every year. Besides from that.. no :)
What gauge are you going to use? I am pleased to see that you have given lots of room for access. That was my mistake and I regret it often. As others have said I would lose the backdrop in favour of scenic divisions.
HO !
What is the increase of height in your Helix? Is it 3 %, or what? Will the Helix have more than two tracks? You said "the radius of the helix is 800 mm", right?
There's something about this plan that seems familiar... can't put my finger on it... but that 800mm inset feels somehow emasculating? 😉
Indeed. This was also the first I saw on the preview pictures. It’s a very male design…
It looks like a good layout, but I have a doubt: have you tested the slopes? It seems to me that the curve exiting the staging yard is too steep
Hi! Yes, the grades still needs to be figured out and the height measures currently in the plan is only for reference. One of the major objects going into this design is to avoid too steep grades, which my precious layout suffered from. The switching yards needs to level and the lines must be able to pass under/over at each terminal. Otherwise, all other heights will be made in the landscape to create an exciting scenery, not in the tracks..
@@marklinofsweden ok, I got it. I’m building my layout in n scale , all around the walls in a room 5,6 x 4,6 m which will be a Tuscany coast in the middle of 80s. Happy building!!!
Hej Martin! Det ser rigtiggodt ud :-) Er selv i gang med denne proces, hvorfor det har været utrolig lærerigt og spændende.!!
You mention removing a heater (looks like a radiator). How will you heat and cool the garage?
The boiler is being repositioned, out of the garage space.
Pls explain how you added walls in AnyRail
Hello from Canada... A while ago (3 years or so..) I happened to come across one of your videos on how to use paper towel and water based polyurethane resin to create waves in the water...
My first time trying it however, worked yes but nothing compared to what your result was... Perhaps it was the pre- preparation such as coloring the "bottom of the ocean" sorta speak.
Starting with dark colors (usually grey for ocean/Sea or a brown tone for rivers, lakes and streams. This was something I may have initially overlooked prior to applying the varnish.
Here's Crossing the fingers 🤞🏻 I get better results but if it's possible, could you please inform me of what brown shade of paint like perhaps burnt seana or burnt umber (?)
Thanks in advance!
I recently received a bottle of stuff called "make water" or just plain "water" which is a one part application
First, it would really help if more commenters would share a few ideas. Tell us what you are doing. I try; if someone wants to ‘can’ me, I don’t care, and I don’t care because I hurt no one. But you never know: something you say might just help someone. These pages are raked over by some whose lives are challenging. Help one of them and you are ‘gold’. Believe me, the lives of some are really hard. I’ve been trying to put a few lines together on this, and it is near impossible.
At the simplest level IT”S ALL ABOUT SHARING IDEAS ( and learning to type in capitals).
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Oh Martin: forty turnouts, and that’s without the storage. It’s enough to send the girls hugging their teddies (or me tickling my Golden Retriever - if I still had one).
Seriously mate, I reckon I can operationally handle about fifteen turnouts. There is an argument for simpler layouts: when viewing the real thing we usually get a close-up standard lens view; the reason it satisfies is because the wider field is ‘suggested’, leading to the infinity of the mind. We can do that too. Marklin present a dream; what started me was the ‘sit’ of the models; IT"S ALL ABOUT SUGGESTION. That is why examining an individual model in the model shop is so satisfying; think: we perceive the model as itself, not immersed in layout. Capturing field of view takes us a long way. In my waterlogged environment I have about 22 turnouts, and I use about 12. With a bit of imagination, and view control, that is way more operation than I can manage. (This is just me, remember; others are different). A Late friend said of wood glue joints: ‘It’s not where the glue is, it’s where the glue was’. There is a bit of that here: ‘It’s not what modelled, it’s what it’s assumed to be modelled, but isn’t.
You are so right about radii and real-estate. The biggest space hog I encounter is the ‘turnback’, by which I mean the radii that turn the train. The worst of it, at least for me, is the ‘peninsula’. Keeping in mind you make your presentations with others in mind, I really liked your recoil from that spiral radius. Brilliant.
It’s not where you are going Martin, but it might help if you aired the principles of a shelf layout around the room. Not a piece of cake, but it can work really well. Huge radii; lift-out access hatch about 400mm x 60; nearly all of the room’s footprint available for other things; even room for your second-hand lathe, subject to floor loadings.
Would someone give a thumbs up; or a thumbs down, or say Pete's mad and should be sent to Pal Dogfood, or Pete's not completely mad. Contribute ideas. Does anyone know how to highlight in this format; I have been driven to Capitals, and t hey look 'bossy'.
Hi Peter. Thank you for commenting. The main line will be computer operated using RocRail. Only the turnouts in the yards will be operated manually. As said.. The track plan is at a very early stage and will be transformed over the coming weeks. There are both several duplicate functions as well as missing functionality in there. I know it´s always a bad thing to present unfinished designs or models.. I don´t know what a space hog is. I tried google translate, but it refers to a pig in space, same with the recoil from weapon and spiral radius. Anyway.. Thank you for commenting and best greetings from a cold Sweden!
@@marklinofsweden Yes Martin: you need to avoid those flying pigs. Thanks for reading my comment; you are probably the only person who actually has! It matters to promote a bit of active comment, a kind of belonging to the conversation, and that without being too serious. If I am going to prod others to be part of the dialogue, I better do some commenting myself. The term 'model railroad' is a noun, but carries the force of a verb in the active voice.
A 'space hog' is something that eats space. A 'hog' or a 'pig' is idiomatic English for 'taking a lot of something', going on towards 'Greed'. The descriptor of the term would be 'pejorative', a word with an interesting derivation. In our artform the worst space hog I can remember is/was a Marklin layout on a rectangular board that took up so much of the room as to allow nothing else. Simply hang the door swinging outwards and go around the room with a shelf, as suggested in my comments the modeller gets his layout, and everyone else gets their room back. No intention of telling anyone what to so, just fielding the idea. I failed to mention hanging the door outwards. Access to the room is usually by a lift-out section as mentioned, and if the door swings inward it can act as a bolt stopping emergency help getting in. Please stress fire extinguishers.
You drew the spiral on your CAD, and then quickly saw what room it was 'hogging' and deleted it. 'Recoil' was my term for quickly backing-off. It's another idiom, suppose.
Spiral radius refers to the 'diameter' of the spiral. The term 'radius' seems confounded with spirals because a true circle has no height, but what other term is there to quantify what is based on a circle.
Now something I want you to do: keep presenting unfinished designs. Your presentation was BRILLIANT. It presents ideas: isn't that one thing that this about? That is why I commented.
Apologies for not being on Patreon; that is why I restrict my viewing.
It's going on three i n the morning, Time to retire.
Be encouraged, and watch those flying pigs.
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Why only 800mm layout hight? Would not 1300mm suit better with trains near eye height
Hi Martin. I suppose you have many American subscribers because you persist in calling a railway the american version. I live in England and it hurts my ears! For the rest, keep on doing this great job! Arie
Great, but I would guess that starters just won't be doing this quite frankly. Taking some basic principles and ideas, then just get practical hands-on and learn from mistakes. Much more exciting perhaps, but yeah, there are of course always planners. We just learned from several model train channels, and started out building in real. However, each their own, certainly.
Dope what app? I’m using ez tracks by Bachman
Hi! I use Anyrail. It just happened to be the first I came across, so I don´t if there are better ones around. I´m like semi-happy with it, but most Model railroad softwares are si-and-so I think. Home cooked..
I believe you miss two important steps. Time and Budget.
Hi! Interesting feedback there. Time and budget. I´ll amend that to the plan. Great! Thank you!
Which scale?