is there any point explaining that you don't need an R rated version of this story? movie out of the 80's, PG-13 is the new R. an R rated version would be more explicit than the book.
@@plasticweapon I mean Batman imagined hacking up two face with an axe in full detail in one scene. As well as Batman being tied next to a mountain of naked dead homeless people. Those scenes are definitely not pg 13, but I get your point.
I like this even though it copies ways to much of the Dark Knight Return. A dark and macabre story. Also Deacon Blackfire is one few people to brutally destroy Batman alongside the Mutant Leader, Predator, and Bane but doing so psychologically instead physically.
I always liked this Cult story. I remember reading this when i was like 9 or 10yrs old and the part where Robin find Batman in the sewer really grabbed in the story. What i always liked was that robin was drawn older and then they get in that huge Batmobile tank! A kids imagination goes further when your younger.
@Striker: Yea, Mathew McConaughey may be better. Stay away from Johnny Depp, though; his career is effectively over. He should just fade into obscurity as an actor turned `reality TV star` trying to overcome his various `issues`.
I know its not official but i like to think this is in the same universe as the dark knight returns just because it fits as a prequel. As well as death in the family.
Actually the first time Batman was broken was in 1966 by another obscure villain named the Monarch of Menace however, since this is the post crisis continuity and this story is just far better then that other one I like to think of this one as the first time Batman was truly defeated
Ah, so this is the "Jim Starlin losing his mind" I've heard about. Does the story explain why Blackfire never saw fit to unmask Batman and expose his identity to Gotham? Or announce that he broke The Dark Knight even if he didn't feel like unmasking him? With the kind of power and reach he has in this story and how he uses appearances to maintain his power, you'd think that revealing that the scariest dude in Gotham is just a mortal he was able to break would help his endeavors.
I never got if Starlin following the Dark Knight Returns was by editorial mandate from Dennis O'Neil or by himself. Both Death In the Family and the Cult are about events alluded in DKR as the death of Jason and how Batman had to change the batmobile because of unspecified riots in Gotham. The DC policy at the time, from 86-89, seemed to be the current comics would hint they were leading to the reality of Dark Knight Returns and try to grab some of the book's popularity for themselves. That policy was clearly waived once the Batman movie came out and the 90s comics reality redirected the industry to big events like Death of Superman and Knightfall, variant covers and whatever else. Maybe we got spared of the mutant gang appearing in the books or Two Face kidnapping of the siamese twins.
I can see why Deacon Blackfire never came back--his whole schtick reminds me more of Brother Blood. So of course, Brother Blood just gets used instead.
"Artifacts" from The #Batman, The Dark Knight Rises, and #BATMANvSUPERMAN all do a brilliant job taking inspiration from The Dark Knight Returns. Doing so isn't inherently a bad thing.
I love this story; it's definitely one of my favourite Batman stories. I agree that the cribs from TDKR are a bit annoying, but other than that I can't find anything wrong with it. the story thrills from start to end and Batman's arc of being crushed then recovering, fighting back and in the process learning why it is that he does what he does is so compelling. it's not dissimilar to another Starlin story: WarWorld which has a somewhat similar arc for Superman
Thanks for reviewing this book, I know it has its critics but I think it's still a great read, Bernie Wrightsons art is magnificent in places he was without a shadow of a doubt one of the best ever horror artists in comics or any medium. The dream sequences and the pages leading up to when Jason discovers Batman captive in the sewers are especially effective. One thing that struck me though when I first read it was the scene when one of Gordons cops volunteers to go undercover after they discover the Deacons ageless case history, after that he's not seen again such a wasted opportunity for positive ethnic character representation. Also the colouring was awful like someone vomited over the art in places. It would have been better left black and white. Hey! DC how about a "noir" edition of this book should be good for a buck or two. Anyhow great review as always looking forward to your "A Death in..." critique next.
I totally LOVE this series, I feel it,s a great story and I don,t know why anyone would think it,s obscure or anything, Batman mentions Blackfire in Batman 429. Commenting to himself about his not having really recovered from that encounter, that,s more of a mainstream comic (Batman )volume 1, having been mentioned there more certainly establishes the Cult as canon and is worthy of any Batman comics, fan,s respect. I never saw the problem with this series, it,s awesome !
By far one of the greatest Batman tales that is far underappreciated from a time when comic stories were written by masters who understood how to create amazing original content. So much UNlike today. Great series.
Absolutely spot on comment on the overuse of Dark Knight Returns elements. I was extremely irritated by this when I read the comic back in the day and it found it made the whole thing feel phony and stale. But now that I'm looking at this terrific Bernie Wrightson art, I feel maybe I should give it another try. Thanks for all your videos, they are a real treasure trove for a Bat-fan.
Well he did come back..... as a ghost. So yes he is still dead but his spirt is brought back to the material world and tries to bring himself back to life twice in two sepreate stories by using someone else as a host but fails and is sent straight back to the afterlife.
This story is really good imo but I can understand that the comic can be off-putting given its probably one of the most darkest written comics out there. It has its issues and yeah it does try to emulate TDKR but I think this story is truly great. Deacon Blackfire is a very interesting villain but then again I like the idea of Batman going up against a Charles Manson esc cult on steroids. Wish Deacon didn't die at the end of the book as I do feel he had a lot of potential for future stories and it took him becoming a Black Lantern to come back.
@@NikoKeem Dude, look up the release dates for The Dark Knight Returns and Batman The Cult, Batman The Cult came out two years after The Dark Knight Returns!
@@NikoKeem You could've asked me which one I was referring to. Plus, unlike The Dark Knight Returns, I really love The Dark Knight Rises, incase you're curious of my opinion.
Just imagine HOW RANCID BATMAN’S SUIT AND SHOES STANK! After a month in the sewers chained up and starved, I’m sure Batman smelled like piss and old socks. Robin as soon as he found Batman should have said , “So Blackfire tried to make you Bat $H!T crazy huh? By the way Bruce you need a shower!” 🤪😂🦇🚽🛀🛁🧼🫧🧻🪥
It is strange that Deacon Blackfire never gets the credit for breaking the batman before Bane?
Definetely strange
Rorschach yeah because like I said
@@srstriker6420 i really love this story, it should be more popular
Rorschach as do I and it should and As far as the fan hate Gotham tv series he should have been in it and he's very similar to Ra's al ghoul
@@srstriker6420 but wouldnt it be a bit similiar to the order of the san duma's story arc on season 2?
This is the first time I've ever seen Jason being a part of a storyline in the comics.
Seriously this is one of those comics which scares me as a kid, not kidding.
When I saw blackfire in arkham knight I had no idea how big of a threat he is
Anyone else want to see a rated r adaption of this story? I’d love to see it animated.
So do I
is there any point explaining that you don't need an R rated version of this story? movie out of the 80's, PG-13 is the new R. an R rated version would be more explicit than the book.
@@plasticweapon I mean Batman imagined hacking up two face with an axe in full detail in one scene. As well as Batman being tied next to a mountain of naked dead homeless people. Those scenes are definitely not pg 13, but I get your point.
I’d like a live action version without Robin, maybe Catwoman or another on again off again Batman ally.
@@denistuohy2535 Why on earth no Robin? Jason erasure smh
Blackfire was a ghost in his recent appearance. So at least he remained dead
I met the artist who drew this series and I told him I loved this series. he was very surprised to hear this.
I like this even though it copies ways to much of the Dark Knight Return. A dark and macabre story. Also Deacon Blackfire is one few people to brutally destroy Batman alongside the Mutant Leader, Predator, and Bane but doing so psychologically instead physically.
Would absolutely love to see a Batman movie that has Deacon Blackfire as the main villain.
PLUX4 true
Nah Dr Hurt and the Black Glove are a better kind of villains, they’re deserve to be the perfect antagonist for a Batman Movie.
I always liked this Cult story. I remember reading this when i was like 9 or 10yrs old and the part where Robin find Batman in the sewer really grabbed in the story. What i always liked was that robin was drawn older and then they get in that huge Batmobile tank! A kids imagination goes further when your younger.
My introduction to Deacon Blackfire was in Arkham Knight.
Guys I can see Matthew McConaughey playing deacon blackfire
I can see Deacon Blackfire portrayed by Tom Cruise & the religion being Scientology.
But this Deacon Blackfire guy is supposed to be a Native American
@@MorpheusOne he supposed to be a Native American
@Striker: Yea, Mathew McConaughey may be better. Stay away from Johnny Depp, though; his career is effectively over. He should just fade into obscurity as an actor turned `reality TV star` trying to overcome his various `issues`.
@@MorpheusOne that didn't age well did it
I know its not official but i like to think this is in the same universe as the dark knight returns just because it fits as a prequel. As well as death in the family.
That outro music was epic lol. Real ominous, melancholy vibe
Actually the first time Batman was broken was in 1966 by another obscure villain named the Monarch of Menace however, since this is the post crisis continuity and this story is just far better then that other one I like to think of this one as the first time Batman was truly defeated
What did Monarch of Menace do to break the Bat?
@@kreischenderdepp113he beat batman in a fight by accident and managed to escape the batman.
@@ALIEN-DUDE Hm, I wouldn't call that "breaking the Bat".
just finished it last night so I can watch this video! haha very good video for a dark story
It is dark, isn't it? The 90s are coming closer and you can feel how the stories start to get progressively dark.
SalazarKnight super dark haha..bathing in blood and decapitated heads..yikes lol yes I'm excited for the 90s and all those big events
Batman - The Cult is awesome. One of my fave Batman stories.
I own a pencil page from this too! By Wrightson. Very nice indeed! : )
Original art by B.W.!!?? Cool!
It is! I look at it every day.
What do you think of Dark Knight Returns, and Killing Joke? Isn,t it about time for a The Cult animated movie as well?
This is the first Batman comic I ever read
Amazing video as always. Looking forward for the others!
Ah, so this is the "Jim Starlin losing his mind" I've heard about.
Does the story explain why Blackfire never saw fit to unmask Batman and expose his identity to Gotham? Or announce that he broke The Dark Knight even if he didn't feel like unmasking him? With the kind of power and reach he has in this story and how he uses appearances to maintain his power, you'd think that revealing that the scariest dude in Gotham is just a mortal he was able to break would help his endeavors.
Thank you for this! I can’t believe you put this out 4 years ago!
Sk is awesome I really like how he tells the story and point of views
I never got if Starlin following the Dark Knight Returns was by editorial mandate from Dennis O'Neil or by himself.
Both Death In the Family and the Cult are about events alluded in DKR as the death of Jason and how Batman had to change the batmobile because of unspecified riots in Gotham. The DC policy at the time, from 86-89, seemed to be the current comics would hint they were leading to the reality of Dark Knight Returns and try to grab some of the book's popularity for themselves.
That policy was clearly waived once the Batman movie came out and the 90s comics reality redirected the industry to big events like Death of Superman and Knightfall, variant covers and whatever else.
Maybe we got spared of the mutant gang appearing in the books or Two Face kidnapping of the siamese twins.
Would be cool to see this as a movie one day.
True but after how fox adapted “god loves, man kills”, coupled with the modern political climate I would have my skepticisms.
I can see why Deacon Blackfire never came back--his whole schtick reminds me more of Brother Blood. So of course, Brother Blood just gets used instead.
My thoughts exactly, though because of his lack of powers and use of derelicts I kinda wish blackfire replaced blood instead.
"Artifacts" from The #Batman, The Dark Knight Rises, and #BATMANvSUPERMAN all do a brilliant job taking inspiration from The Dark Knight Returns. Doing so isn't inherently a bad thing.
This is one of my favorite Batman comics!
I love this story; it's definitely one of my favourite Batman stories. I agree that the cribs from TDKR are a bit annoying, but other than that I can't find anything wrong with it. the story thrills from start to end and Batman's arc of being crushed then recovering, fighting back and in the process learning why it is that he does what he does is so compelling. it's not dissimilar to another Starlin story: WarWorld which has a somewhat similar arc for Superman
I am wondering if I should call Killer Croc or Decon Blackfire as the big villain of the 80's after watching this.
Great job!
Thanks for reviewing this book, I know it has its critics but I think it's still a great read, Bernie Wrightsons art is magnificent in places he was without a shadow of a doubt one of the best ever horror artists in comics or any medium. The dream sequences and the pages leading up to when Jason discovers Batman captive in the sewers are especially effective. One thing that struck me though when I first read it was the scene when one of Gordons cops volunteers to go undercover after they discover the Deacons ageless case history, after that he's not seen again such a wasted opportunity for positive ethnic character representation. Also the colouring was awful like someone vomited over the art in places. It would have been better left black and white. Hey! DC how about a "noir" edition of this book should be good for a buck or two. Anyhow great review as always looking forward to your "A Death in..." critique next.
I always wanted ta movie adaptation of this story, its such a great batman story
First Batman comic I ever read. I still have it with me 😃
Rest In Peace Bernie Wrightson Swamp Thing Frankenstein Batman/Aliens Greatest Horror Artist Of All Time
I totally LOVE this series, I feel it,s a great story and I don,t know why anyone would think it,s obscure or anything, Batman mentions Blackfire in Batman 429. Commenting to himself about his not having really recovered from that encounter, that,s more of a mainstream comic (Batman )volume 1, having been mentioned there more certainly establishes the Cult as canon and is worthy of any Batman comics, fan,s respect. I never saw the problem with this series, it,s awesome !
Looks a lot to Nagai Gos gory Manga.
Sadly enough it was used as basis for Nolans Batman Rises.
Soon the bat will be broken that's from batman Arkham knight
Fun fact, the monster truck Batmobile returned in the road to no man’s land.
Holy shit this guy was underused in Arkham Knight.
One of the greatest Batman story
Background ost 😍👌👌👌🎶🎶🔥👏👏
By far one of the greatest Batman tales that is far underappreciated from a time when comic stories were written by masters who understood how to create amazing original content. So much UNlike today. Great series.
Absolutely spot on comment on the overuse of Dark Knight Returns elements. I was extremely irritated by this when I read the comic back in the day and it found it made the whole thing feel phony and stale. But now that I'm looking at this terrific Bernie Wrightson art, I feel maybe I should give it another try. Thanks for all your videos, they are a real treasure trove for a Bat-fan.
Does anybody knows where can i buy the book. I dont know where to find them.
Find them wherever you learn about quotation signs lol.
The Dark knight rises is basically Batman the cult but the cult is awesome
And Bane isn't?
@@Ian-hj4yt I’m just saying the book is good
Was this Jason’s last mission before the Felipe case?
A great comic
By any chance have you read batman ultimate evil for anyone who hasn't can I just say it's a great read
The comic or novel?
Well he did come back..... as a ghost. So yes he is still dead but his spirt is brought back to the material world and tries to bring himself back to life twice in two sepreate stories by using someone else as a host but fails and is sent straight back to the afterlife.
Wrightson is the GOAT
When's the movie?
hopefully never, because it wouldn't do it justice.
This story is really good imo but I can understand that the comic can be off-putting given its probably one of the most darkest written comics out there. It has its issues and yeah it does try to emulate TDKR but I think this story is truly great. Deacon Blackfire is a very interesting villain but then again I like the idea of Batman going up against a Charles Manson esc cult on steroids. Wish Deacon didn't die at the end of the book as I do feel he had a lot of potential for future stories and it took him becoming a Black Lantern to come back.
I'd imagine this batman is the same in TDKR which explains the batmobile and how he's more psycho when he's older lol
I prefer it over The Dark knight returns.
Hordes of crazy homeless people...... sounds like modern California.
This book made me quit reading comics for 25 years. Relentless misery
Batman's ears are just far too long in this book
You should check Batman stories with art by Kelley Jones.They are twice the size of these ones.
The aspects copied from DKR are annoying aspects of DKR to begin with.
"Copied from TDKR" ? Dude, this comic book was published 24 years before TDKR 😶
@@NikoKeem Dude, look up the release dates for The Dark Knight Returns and Batman The Cult, Batman The Cult came out two years after The Dark Knight Returns!
@@jakeproven256 oh sorry I was thinking that you were talking about The Dark Knight Rises 😅😅😅 My bad 🤭🤭🤭
@@NikoKeem You could've asked me which one I was referring to. Plus, unlike The Dark Knight Returns, I really love The Dark Knight Rises, incase you're curious of my opinion.
@@jakeproven256 yeah surely you're right. About The Dark Knight Rises, I'm wondering how it would have looked like if it was Rated-R
Just imagine HOW RANCID BATMAN’S SUIT AND SHOES STANK! After a month in the sewers chained up and starved, I’m sure Batman smelled like piss and old socks. Robin as soon as he found Batman should have said , “So Blackfire tried to make you Bat $H!T crazy huh? By the way Bruce you need a shower!” 🤪😂🦇🚽🛀🛁🧼🫧🧻🪥
And by the way, Bruce was pretty lucky that Blackfire didn't stripped him of his whole Batsuit, otherwise things would have turned very awful...