I'll second a lot of this. I grew up shooting 3D, and it's still my favorite part of archery. A few things to add: If you want to shoot small/micro diameter arrows, you can get target points for them, so you don't have to deal with collars. This is most popular for field archery as well. I ran the Victory 3DHV for a while. As for arrows sticking in foam, next time you're at a hotel, grab one of the bars of soap. Rub that on your arrows every few targets, and they pull out great! For larger diameter, I shoot Victory V-Tac 23. Super light. Doubles as my indoor arrow as well.
Man I love your videos the way you explain stuff and you give options for your normal people not only the most expensive stuff out there just love the drawn out explanations for us newbies thanks a lot!
Took a freshly built TAC only setup last year. Vap tko 300's, 120 gr points-415 taw. This year, new Ventum 33 @ 82lb and she'll be bombing 545 grain hunting Vap SS 250's. Figure I still get 135 outta the sight tape so why not test my complete hunting rig as-is? 7 Springs was a blast last year, just remember to bring double the water you think you need.
I spent several hours on the couch watching the LAC this weekend. What great competition. In regards to arrow selection you saw everything from small diameter to big old line cutters. It was interesting to see the results…larger diameter generally scored higher the small diameter. The fact you could impact the target in the same spot but LD arrows touched or broke the line more often. And at 20 yards that’s big! Thanks for the video. My son and I will be spending time on the local 3D range this year. I’ll probably go with standard diameter to start.
I treat 3d as basically just hunting practice so I take my vap tko’s but for 3d I’m not steering a broadhead so I’ll run a shorter vane to stay out of the wind. The lip on the collared insert can grab a bit on newer targets but I’ve found that ice coating pulls out a lot easier than most other arrows. An AAE lube tube can help a lot for that, and running a bullet-style tip vs those long sharp pointy tips will limit penetration too.
I know you were talking specifically about arrows, but my #1 tip for 3D/TAC arrows would be to lube the arrows up. So much easier to pull them out of the targets.
Victory Rip XV in a 300 or 350 spine is probably the best bang for the buck if you're building your own arrows. At 6.4 gpi for the 350 spine and 7.1 gpi for the 300 spine you can build some laser beams. And with .204 glue in points = no collar that pulls out in the target you're going to able to remove your arrows. I recommend lubricant on your arrows for target shooting anyway.
I would like for you to build out some Walmart arrows, they have a few choices.. The complete build using components, components sizes, weights of shafts, and some target and distance testing. Because they are available every where across America. Would be a great experiment!!
I built all my arrows with Mini-Blazer vanes at the highest helical the Bitzenberger allows. I get pretty good distance and groups to 80 yards with my Easton Axis 400 arrows cut to 27" with 100 grain points (385 grains total weight), shot from my 65# Bowtech Destroyer 350 set at 27" draw length. I built the latest set of arrows - Victory RIP XV Elite 350- the same way for my Bowtech Solution SS set to 65# and 27", except that I am running their aluminum 21 grain outsert and a 125 grain field point, and Easton X-nocks, giving my arrows a total weight of 334 grains and 15.98% FOC. For these arrows, I'll be setting them up for hunting, so I won't be using them for 3D. I've got the sight dialed in to 75 yards without losing any outserts or tips, so they're good to go for hunting season. I just have to make sure my fixed blade heads are spinning true.
Nice highly informative video that wasn’t even ten minutes long. I am hoping to find some archery 🏹 club 3D courses in SW PA, eastern Ohio or the northern panhandle of West Virginia. I loved doing a couple with my buddy from Washington, PA about four years ago but haven’t done any since then. I also have been looking for arrows for my somewhat new Prime Black 3 bow. My current setup that I used with my old PSE are 340 spine with .204 OD and 11.25 GPI so since my lighted nocks are X nocks and expensive I wanted to stay with the same diameter arrows. The lowest GPI that I found in that diameter was 10.5 in a 300 spine. Since I want to bump up my point weight a little bit I figured the change in spine stiffness was appropriate.
I personally like a "footed" shaft for 3D. The foot itself makes a bigger hole in the target so that the shaft doesn't "burn" in the target. Way easier to pull 👍
Interesting observation with the parachuting effect. I haven't shot out past 70 yards enough to see if it happens with my set up but will start doing so as I plan to do a TAC event this year. Insightful as always Nate. Keep the content rolling mate.
I’ve just always used 5mm Easton axis 340. And I got some gold tip outserts 25 grain instead of the hit insert, protect the carbon a little better snd 100 grain tip. It’s always did the job for me but it is a 9.5 gpi. I don’t no if I should change to a lighter arrow with a 100 grain point for hunting. Will I get more foc. Or will I just end up with a lighter flatter shooting arrow?
Primarily hunter here and shoot year around out to 70-yards (about the most range without glass my old eyes are good for). Usually put a 2 to 3 degree offset on my vanes and haven't noticed any in-my-face parachute effect that my eyes can detect. Was about to order helical clamp for my jig. Not sure if he was saying that'd be a bad idea. Kind of sounded like it. I image a helical would create a little more drag. So would it be a bad idea?
Can you put out a video covering some non name brand manufacturers/suppliers for building our own .166 arrows on the cheap? You always mention the big name brands like Easton, Gold, Sirius, etc. How bout unbranded? That would be nice
@@MikeyWoomer Yup! Weaver's is on the menu as well this winter. The GAOS shoot is a hoot. If you qualify for finals you get back in for free when you come back for it!
@@averagejackarchery awesome well good luck at the show and at Weavers! thats my shop. Ive been going down for a few yrs now. I live near Tyrone but i work out of mifflintown. So i hit Weavers usally on my way home. Im hoping to shooting next year. I just couldn't do it this yr. Had to have a wierd emergency surgery that no one has ever heard of. Sucks, but im recovering well. Hopefully ill be able to shoot again soon. Maybe well ser ya around.
Ha. I built a fast arrow. Victory rip xv 120gr up front. Thought i was gonna improve my accuracy with a strong helical and a 3” vane. Could not figure out why my arrows were everywhere when i was shooting out at 100-120 yards. This explains it😃😂😂
Thanks for the advice on archery talk! I ended up going with some arrows I found that are made by victory with the same specs as the v force .350 spine I think total arrow weight will be around 380 grains but got 18 of them for $70 so if I break or lose them I won’t cry. I’m shooting 70 lbs so distance I hope won’t be an issue. Would you suggest I get nock pin bushings? Also I may tear off the factory fletch and do a 3 fletch heat vane. Have a ton lying around so was going to use them up.
Nock pins are really useful only in close shots when you're trying to protect the back of the arrow in full-fledged 3D shoots. For recreational 3D or TAC events where it's unlikely you'll be cramming 3-4 different shooters into the same scoring ring, I wouldn't sweat it and run the stock nocks.
Our you can drive off the cliff with a 300 grain ibo, different arrow for known, 3 different options for hunting, and a different bow for each... i may have a problem lol
Good day. Hope you can help me here. For World Archery 3D, the basic parameters for arrow build are generally as follows; 1. Two arrows per target. 2. All unmarked distance. 3. No speed limit. 4. Poundage is limited to #60 for compounds. 5. Maximum distance for compound is 45m; other bow divisions are 30m. 6. No minimum GPP arrow weight. 7. Maximum arrow outer diameter of 9.3mm or size 23. With all that in mind, would one be better off with standard diameter arrows (6.5mm or .0245 inches), instead of large one usually seen in IBO/ASA and micro ones usually seen in outdoor target events? Thank you in advance.
If you're going to be losing arrows due to other people breaking them, I'd stick with standard. If you feel you'll need to snag some lines, I'd give fatter shafts a go.
I have a question I’m shooting a ventum 30 65 dw and 28.5 dl I’m haveing trouble matching a arrow that will shoot proper and not be all over the target I’ve tried carbon exspress piledriver sd adrenaline sd and the ds 350 spine 27” cut thank you for any input
#averagejackarchery will you be attending tac at seven springs resort? If so hopefully I get a chance to meet you and talk for a few. Straight shooting
Hey I was wondering if u have or done a video on bows mid price range for beginners that u would suggest if u only had shot about like once or twice. What would be a good bow or combat bow to start with. (Also I have not much knowledge on most bows sorry)
I have yet to be disappointed in any of the shafts from Gold Tip. The Black Labels are one I haven't played with personally yet. But with GT's track record, I would guess they're an excellent shaft.
Which one are you thinking of attending Nate? I’m thinking something cheap, from what I’ve read plan on losing them and tearing them up. As far as tough, not overly light or heavy, not expensive I’m thinking CX Pile Drivers.
Pile Drivers are by far the heaviest GPI "standard" arrow one could look for, really. I'd recommend something much more lighter in GPI that also didn't cost a fortune. I live in PA, so the 7 Springs shoot is the most optimal.
I don't know about around your way, but an awful lot of the shooters I see get fat arrows because of the lines, but don't actually take the time to tune and check the fat arrows actually group better than the skinny ! Especially at distance and in wind
Am target/field/3d shooter, I shoot with people using x10s, currently I use Carbon Ones and Flat Lines (remember them) when I shoot well I can match most of the x10 shooters, if I don't shoot well I can not break x10s
As in what Chris Bee used to win the truck? There is not competition at the TAC events other than the truck, and even then it's a random drawing. Chris is sponsored by Easton and used their ProComps last year.
Thank you for the thoughtful video. I have never shot a 3-D course but I am able to shoot out as far as I want at my home in Wisconsin. I shoot the VAP Elite .166 with the 95 grain penetrator inserts. Is this a Jeff Bezos arrow?
Working on a new set up right now. I just got the Mathews v3 33 I have been shooting fmj ( I was given a bunch) they shoot great out of the bow in 450 grain I've nailed a bullseye at 100 yards now. So I just got gold tip air strike , I'm messing with different grain weight heads up to 200 grain down to 125. I haven't shot these at distance yet. Some time this week. I'm trying to stay in the 450 to 480 range. Hoping to go to TAC this year. So now I'm weighing out some gold tip hunter xt because Sirius orion's are to expensive to lose and so are the air strike. I wish there was cheaper micro diameter arrow for distance.
Same!! I use my hunting set up for anything 3D i make it as if its a hunt in my mind. An i do way better then people that have bought bows and new arrows just for events like that.. waste of money
footers being hard to pull out on foam? really? complete opposite in my experience, bag targets yes foam no because the foam doesn't melt and adhere to the shaft
Use your hunting setup. Dont spend money just to spend it.. consider it as a hunt an take your best ethical shots with them.. you wont have to resight your bow in an will know how far you can accurately shoot your hunting setup.
I'll second a lot of this. I grew up shooting 3D, and it's still my favorite part of archery. A few things to add: If you want to shoot small/micro diameter arrows, you can get target points for them, so you don't have to deal with collars. This is most popular for field archery as well. I ran the Victory 3DHV for a while. As for arrows sticking in foam, next time you're at a hotel, grab one of the bars of soap. Rub that on your arrows every few targets, and they pull out great! For larger diameter, I shoot Victory V-Tac 23. Super light. Doubles as my indoor arrow as well.
Man I love your videos the way you explain stuff and you give options for your normal people not only the most expensive stuff out there just love the drawn out explanations for us newbies thanks a lot!
Took a freshly built TAC only setup last year. Vap tko 300's, 120 gr points-415 taw. This year, new Ventum 33 @ 82lb and she'll be bombing 545 grain hunting Vap SS 250's. Figure I still get 135 outta the sight tape so why not test my complete hunting rig as-is? 7 Springs was a blast last year, just remember to bring double the water you think you need.
There are no 3D shoots in my neck of the woods but I never miss a video as I seem to learn something every time I tune in!
I spent several hours on the couch watching the LAC this weekend. What great competition. In regards to arrow selection you saw everything from small diameter to big old line cutters. It was interesting to see the results…larger diameter generally scored higher the small diameter. The fact you could impact the target in the same spot but LD arrows touched or broke the line more often. And at 20 yards that’s big!
Thanks for the video. My son and I will be spending time on the local 3D range this year. I’ll probably go with standard diameter to start.
I treat 3d as basically just hunting practice so I take my vap tko’s but for 3d I’m not steering a broadhead so I’ll run a shorter vane to stay out of the wind.
The lip on the collared insert can grab a bit on newer targets but I’ve found that ice coating pulls out a lot easier than most other arrows. An AAE lube tube can help a lot for that, and running a bullet-style tip vs those long sharp pointy tips will limit penetration too.
I know you were talking specifically about arrows, but my #1 tip for 3D/TAC arrows would be to lube the arrows up. So much easier to pull them out of the targets.
I second the “archery guru”. Another very informative video. Keep them coming. I look forward to each of them.
Victory Rip XV in a 300 or 350 spine is probably the best bang for the buck if you're building your own arrows. At 6.4 gpi for the 350 spine and 7.1 gpi for the 300 spine you can build some laser beams. And with .204 glue in points = no collar that pulls out in the target you're going to able to remove your arrows. I recommend lubricant on your arrows for target shooting anyway.
You are the archery GURU of TH-cam 😜
LOL!
The “Bezos” arrows reference top notch.
Glad someone appreciated it! 😂
I would like for you to build out some Walmart arrows, they have a few choices.. The complete build using components, components sizes, weights of shafts, and some target and distance testing. Because they are available every where across America. Would be a great experiment!!
I built all my arrows with Mini-Blazer vanes at the highest helical the Bitzenberger allows. I get pretty good distance and groups to 80 yards with my Easton Axis 400 arrows cut to 27" with 100 grain points (385 grains total weight), shot from my 65# Bowtech Destroyer 350 set at 27" draw length. I built the latest set of arrows - Victory RIP XV Elite 350- the same way for my Bowtech Solution SS set to 65# and 27", except that I am running their aluminum 21 grain outsert and a 125 grain field point, and Easton X-nocks, giving my arrows a total weight of 334 grains and 15.98% FOC. For these arrows, I'll be setting them up for hunting, so I won't be using them for 3D. I've got the sight dialed in to 75 yards without losing any outserts or tips, so they're good to go for hunting season. I just have to make sure my fixed blade heads are spinning true.
Nice highly informative video that wasn’t even ten minutes long. I am hoping to find some archery 🏹 club 3D courses in SW PA, eastern Ohio or the northern panhandle of West Virginia. I loved doing a couple with my buddy from Washington, PA about four years ago but haven’t done any since then.
I also have been looking for arrows for my somewhat new Prime Black 3 bow. My current setup that I used with my old PSE are 340 spine with .204 OD and 11.25 GPI so since my lighted nocks are X nocks and expensive I wanted to stay with the same diameter arrows. The lowest GPI that I found in that diameter was 10.5 in a 300 spine. Since I want to bump up my point weight a little bit I figured the change in spine stiffness was appropriate.
Great video. I shoot Easton axis 5mm 340 spine .460 grains it flys fast and hits hard.
Great job. Very informative.
I personally like a "footed" shaft for 3D. The foot itself makes a bigger hole in the target so that the shaft doesn't "burn" in the target. Way easier to pull 👍
1st again! Wooo hooo! Doing my 1st tac event this year at 7 springs. Can't wait
I've been patiently waiting for this video!
Interesting observation with the parachuting effect. I haven't shot out past 70 yards enough to see if it happens with my set up but will start doing so as I plan to do a TAC event this year.
Insightful as always Nate. Keep the content rolling mate.
What time frame?
Hey @@l-a-r-k-y-y6048, is that a question for me?
@@WillsGoneWalkabout I found it. Guess I didn’t listen and didn’t hear that part 😂
Thanks for the info. I always learn something from your content. Thanks again, and God Bless
Good stuff!
I’ve just always used 5mm Easton axis 340. And I got some gold tip outserts 25 grain instead of the hit insert, protect the carbon a little better snd 100 grain tip. It’s always did the job for me but it is a 9.5 gpi. I don’t no if I should change to a lighter arrow with a 100 grain point for hunting. Will I get more foc. Or will I just end up with a lighter flatter shooting arrow?
Primarily hunter here and shoot year around out to 70-yards (about the most range without glass my old eyes are good for). Usually put a 2 to 3 degree offset on my vanes and haven't noticed any in-my-face parachute effect that my eyes can detect. Was about to order helical clamp for my jig. Not sure if he was saying that'd be a bad idea. Kind of sounded like it. I image a helical would create a little more drag. So would it be a bad idea?
Can you put out a video covering some non name brand manufacturers/suppliers for building our own .166 arrows on the cheap? You always mention the big name brands like Easton, Gold, Sirius, etc. How bout unbranded? That would be nice
Are you shooting in Harrisburg at the show in a few weeks did you go to Lancaster?
Will hopefully be at GAOS, did not shoot Lancaster this year.
@@averagejackarchery what about Weavers this yr? I want to build a target bow i never had one. Im looking into a new Athens peak 38
@@averagejackarchery ive never been to the GAOS before. I might go this year
@@MikeyWoomer Yup! Weaver's is on the menu as well this winter. The GAOS shoot is a hoot. If you qualify for finals you get back in for free when you come back for it!
@@averagejackarchery awesome well good luck at the show and at Weavers! thats my shop. Ive been going down for a few yrs now. I live near Tyrone but i work out of mifflintown. So i hit Weavers usally on my way home. Im hoping to shooting next year. I just couldn't do it this yr. Had to have a wierd emergency surgery that no one has ever heard of. Sucks, but im recovering well. Hopefully ill be able to shoot again soon. Maybe well ser ya around.
Ha. I built a fast arrow. Victory rip xv 120gr up front. Thought i was gonna improve my accuracy with a strong helical and a 3” vane. Could not figure out why my arrows were everywhere when i was shooting out at 100-120 yards. This explains it😃😂😂
Thanks for the advice on archery talk! I ended up going with some arrows I found that are made by victory with the same specs as the v force .350 spine I think total arrow weight will be around 380 grains but got 18 of them for $70 so if I break or lose them I won’t cry. I’m shooting 70 lbs so distance I hope won’t be an issue. Would you suggest I get nock pin bushings? Also I may tear off the factory fletch and do a 3 fletch heat vane. Have a ton lying around so was going to use them up.
Nock pins are really useful only in close shots when you're trying to protect the back of the arrow in full-fledged 3D shoots. For recreational 3D or TAC events where it's unlikely you'll be cramming 3-4 different shooters into the same scoring ring, I wouldn't sweat it and run the stock nocks.
Our you can drive off the cliff with a 300 grain ibo, different arrow for known, 3 different options for hunting, and a different bow for each... i may have a problem lol
For TAC, I want to build arrows that are lighter to SEND IT. Easton Sonic 6.0 looks really interesting based on weight, size, and price.
Good day. Hope you can help me here.
For World Archery 3D, the basic parameters for arrow build are generally as follows;
1. Two arrows per target.
2. All unmarked distance.
3. No speed limit.
4. Poundage is limited to #60 for compounds.
5. Maximum distance for compound is 45m; other bow divisions are 30m.
6. No minimum GPP arrow weight.
7. Maximum arrow outer diameter of 9.3mm or size 23.
With all that in mind, would one be better off with standard diameter arrows (6.5mm or .0245 inches), instead of large one usually seen in IBO/ASA and micro ones usually seen in outdoor target events?
Thank you in advance.
If you're going to be losing arrows due to other people breaking them, I'd stick with standard. If you feel you'll need to snag some lines, I'd give fatter shafts a go.
I have a question I’m shooting a ventum 30 65 dw and 28.5 dl I’m haveing trouble matching a arrow that will shoot proper and not be all over the target I’ve tried carbon exspress piledriver sd adrenaline sd and the ds 350 spine 27” cut thank you for any input
#averagejackarchery will you be attending tac at seven springs resort? If so hopefully I get a chance to meet you and talk for a few. Straight shooting
I will not be, no. I'm still wrapping up the school year and can't logistically get away.
I understand sir
Hey I was wondering if u have or done a video on bows mid price range for beginners that u would suggest if u only had shot about like once or twice. What would be a good bow or combat bow to start with. (Also I have not much knowledge on most bows sorry)
th-cam.com/video/rNGSE6cJxug/w-d-xo.html
Any input on the gold tip black labels?
I have yet to be disappointed in any of the shafts from Gold Tip. The Black Labels are one I haven't played with personally yet. But with GT's track record, I would guess they're an excellent shaft.
Which one are you thinking of attending Nate?
I’m thinking something cheap, from what I’ve read plan on losing them and tearing them up. As far as tough, not overly light or heavy, not expensive I’m thinking CX Pile Drivers.
Pile Drivers are by far the heaviest GPI "standard" arrow one could look for, really. I'd recommend something much more lighter in GPI that also didn't cost a fortune. I live in PA, so the 7 Springs shoot is the most optimal.
Well I am 6’4! I kid, I kid…lol
Hopefully see you there Sir.
Are you going to seven springs PA this year?
As of now, I'm planning on trying to get down!
Ok I'll be there all 4 days and if it works out I'd like to meet you
I don't know about around your way, but an awful lot of the shooters I see get fat arrows because of the lines, but don't actually take the time to tune and check the fat arrows actually group better than the skinny ! Especially at distance and in wind
Am target/field/3d shooter, I shoot with people using x10s, currently I use Carbon Ones and Flat Lines (remember them) when I shoot well I can match most of the x10 shooters, if I don't shoot well I can not break x10s
I would like to know what arrows was used for the ones that won the TAC events past few years
As in what Chris Bee used to win the truck? There is not competition at the TAC events other than the truck, and even then it's a random drawing. Chris is sponsored by Easton and used their ProComps last year.
@@averagejackarchery I mean what arrows was used for the ones that won Like CB
@@greekmaster1001 Like I just said... Easton ProComps.
@@averagejackarchery oh ok missed that part lol
I’m a Victory VAP TKO guy myself due to trying to get as much speed as possible out of my 60lb bow and my 27” draw
Nock pins vs nock bushings?
I myself like the beefier feel of more standard nocks. Usually go for nock bushings and corresponding nock size to fit.
Thank you for the thoughtful video. I have never shot a 3-D course but I am able to shoot out as far as I want at my home in Wisconsin. I shoot the VAP Elite .166 with the 95 grain penetrator inserts. Is this a Jeff Bezos arrow?
Lol! It's definitely more on the expensive side! Still a great arrow though.
Working on a new set up right now. I just got the Mathews v3 33 I have been shooting fmj ( I was given a bunch) they shoot great out of the bow in 450 grain I've nailed a bullseye at 100 yards now.
So I just got gold tip air strike , I'm messing with different grain weight heads up to 200 grain down to 125. I haven't shot these at distance yet. Some time this week. I'm trying to stay in the 450 to 480 range. Hoping to go to TAC this year. So now I'm weighing out some gold tip hunter xt because Sirius orion's are to expensive to lose and so are the air strike. I wish there was cheaper micro diameter arrow for distance.
Just use your hunting arrow, pratice with what you hunt with.
It is not a money tournament. Use your hunting arrows unless you hunt with a tournament rig.
Same!! I use my hunting set up for anything 3D i make it as if its a hunt in my mind. An i do way better then people that have bought bows and new arrows just for events like that.. waste of money
footers being hard to pull out on foam? really? complete opposite in my experience, bag targets yes foam no because the foam doesn't melt and adhere to the shaft
Use your hunting setup. Dont spend money just to spend it.. consider it as a hunt an take your best ethical shots with them.. you wont have to resight your bow in an will know how far you can accurately shoot your hunting setup.