A New Study Shows Us the Single Biggest Motivation for the Jan. 6 Rioters | Amanpour and Company
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- A new study on the January 6 Capitol insurrection finds that of the nearly 400 rioters arrested or charged, 93% are white and 86% are male. Michel Martin speaks to the study’s principal investigator, Professor Robert Pape, to discuss these findings and some surprising revelations about the attackers and their motives.
Originally aired on May 6, 2021.
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When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression.
Exactly!!
What an amazingly concise way of putting it! That's exactly right!
What you just said makes no sense because none of those people are privileged all of them are pretty downtrodden and compared to the true elite class. I mean I guess the rich guys hatched the plan. Poor no class losers did the dirty work
Bravo!!!
Often repeated because it's so true.
This is why we need funding for public television and radio. Long-form journalism is essential in a democracy.
Absolutely. There are still real journalists in this country but they tend to work for CPB, PBS, NPR, the Guardian and other, as you say, long-form news organizations.
NPR, public radio, etc has penetrated most areas I believe. Lots of people think it is just liberal BS and only listen long enough to reassure themselves of how stupid and unrealistic the left is. Better work on a system that delivers facts without an agenda, in a way that common people can relate to.
And that's why Repiglicans destroyed it
@@Merrikatt That is your opinion. The problem is approached from one side...what the republicans think and a label they give it because they distrust smart people. Let's approach it the opposite direction. Liberals watch seconds of conservative Fox Noise and they get it, that conservation are easily misled due to steady diet of cult religions so they believe in fantasy. Better come up with a very way to deliver propaganda because liberals can add 2 and 2 to get four whereas conservatives dont know what adding is for.
@@michellepernula872 I agree with and am shocked by them not giving a little respect and credence to people who have spent their lifetimes studying a subject they know nothing about but then believing wholeheartedly the propaganda and lies fed to them by their unknowing trusted sources. But you add to the trouble with your haughty insult at the end. What if they add 2 and 2 to get 4, but what they do with that 4 is different than what you would do? Are you sure you are not just brainwashed by abstractionist fanatics that are pushing an unrealistic, unpragmatic worldview onto people without respecting and understanding how and why those people disagree with it? Even I can't listen to NPR consistently because it itself is biased and based around an ideology, a belief of people pushing for a way of life. Some of it may be OK, some of it I find to be foolish, arrogant, out of touch with comman folks, the backbone of our society.
As a 50 year old white man I can attest to the accuracy of this. I have weekly conversations with men (mostly men) I know who will swear up and down that they don't get jobs or promotions because of who they are. They can't say what they think at work, they are disadvantaged in social setting, portrayed as bad guys in movies, viewed as out of touch with society, etc. A lot of this (but not all) is very, very overblown and doesn't take into account some of their very odious personalities. But the feeling is real for them and is definitely correlated with support for trump.
What they feel is not "centered" in the media and political landscape. Which leads them to believe what happened to others or worse what was inflicted on others like black folks or LGBTQ+ folks will happen to them.
It is unreasonable to expect in a "specialized" society, that people can know the entire workings of that society.
There is a hegemony of right-wing politics that has cut out the bottom 90% from participation, and has no reason to protect anybody, or education anybody on the functions of the system that may cause them harm.
These people don't understand the systems that have stagnated growth for all but the top 1%.
The effective nature of demagoguery and right-wing propaganda to program people's into "othering" and blaming the other poor folk for stealing your crumbs cannot be understated. The likes of Rush Limbaugh and the "Idiot Industrial Complex" have done permanent damage.
But the damage is superficial. And only damages the facade. The articificiality of the democracy itself has been brought into jeopardy. And the ruling class see their power threatened. Trump is a product of the idiot industrial complex, as ab example of the stupification of the populous.
Instead of labor solidarity and a means to fight back, the elites do what they have always done. And double down on bigotry and othering. Sowing the seeds of hate, to divide and conquer.
This time though, their base is too stupid, too broken, and too depraved to play ball as they are told. The Republican Party has become the iidot industrial complex party. To which they have no other strategy but to poison the well until it kills everybody.
Democrats are scared because their extremely hollow and shallow politics are more exposed than ever for not really being much more than a facade. A facade that worked when the duality was properly functioning. -There's an old quote. "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them."
Really?
So in other words, they're all racist.
50% of them are white business owners and CEOs...I am curious how they are being replaced and discriminated against...another business owner (Hispanic or Black) makes more money then the white CEOs?
So, in other words, they're afraid they will be treated the way they have treated others. They should have paid closer attention to the golden rule.
I don't think that's it. I would guess that most of these people haven't mistreated others based on race. I think they get up every morning, 365 days a year, and see news article after news article picturing Black men and Black male teens who seem to have little concern for civility or productivity. I know I do, and that concerns me a lot. I live one mile from the Black neighborhoods in my town. In the last 20 years there have been over 10 murders within that mile. When people visit me from out of town, Google Maps sends them right through this highly violent crime area. I always have to redirect my guests around the problem area. I've actually heard the gunshots for a couple of the murders. I think Americans wouldn't have much problem with race today if the people in these minority groups behaved the way most of us do. It's not that the people concerned about the "great replacement" idea are simply rejecting people for the color of their skin, I think they are concerned because of their behavior. If anyone has the statistics on per-capita violent crimes by race that would be interesting to know. Also, often the violent "youths" of the minority group literally get away with minimum punishment. If anyone comments on this, it would be great if you didn't accuse me of being racist or anything like that. Please make a reasoned argument that shows me where I'm wrong.
You wouldn't be interested or believe it anyway. The picture you painted is so full of broad generalizations, ignorance and yes, racism, it would take a book to address them.
@@steveneldred8928 Think your assessment is accurate. I have spent years as a member of my Seattle 36th District Dem Party. Attended that group's monthly meetings and also elected a PCO. Consider myself a fiscally conservative progressive. That said, my hometown is suffering from a crime wave of unprecedented levels, which our city's prior exclusively far left Dem Party city council and mayor have made worse year after year. In the 36th District Dems, you can no longer offer friendly amendments to group resolutions and have a civil debate about means to shared ends. The environment is toxic toward any deviation from the most radical wishful thinking policy position.
Seattle citizens finally had enough and recently elected a law and order Republican City Attorney and threw out 6 incumbent City Council members (some chose not to run after looking at polling data), electing Dem Party moderates. I have lived a life respecting every person as equal in every way to myself. It saddens me to find the Woke "equity" victim-hood political culture in Seattle to be dysfunctional and works against the very goals it proclaims as it's core mission. Politics has become about naked power and political careers.
In the 1980's I lived in a part of Seattle that was traditionally majority Jewish and also Black. My neighbors were wonderful, with the exception of the crack-house next door, which all the other neighbors on the block and myself worked together to shutdown. Everyone wanted a safe place for kids to play and grownup, race played no part in this shared civic goal. Now wokeness is a political cult seeking to divide not unite citizens in Seattle. This will end badly, though it needn't if moderate Americans are brave enough to collectively reject political extremes on the Left and Right to form a consensus based on fairness and shared values, not extreme rhetoric and political gamesmanship.
I'm reminded of a bumper sticker I saw... "EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL DOESN'T MEAN LESS RIGHTS FOR YOU...ITS NOT PIE."
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That was my first impression too. They want to party like it's 1799!
Exactly!
Unfortunately it often does, when newly created rights conflict with more fundamental rights.
Oh really? More "rights" translates as more power, and power certainly is a pie. The more I have the less you must have. People don't want to hear this, but it's true.
"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
No you are the privileged when you think the most equal and diverse country on earth is the most racist and unjust .. you will see how bad it can get now after this attempt to fix something that wasn't really that broken .. watch and know that you helped when it all falls apart .. it will be on your bloody hands that the blame will sit quietly
@@thomcrowe2879 I think your spot on here. The biggest problem that the youth have today is they have it so good from all the work that was done before them that they don't have a clue about history and what really can happen when you break down a fully functioning society with hatred and false narratives. Thank God I'm old; these young people will reap the whirlwind of their misguided efforts. No one can save them from their ignorance.
Way to out yourself with a threat
@@rafeller9057 & thomcrowe: very few nations have ever had racism encoded into the very structure of their governance, at the moment of conception and lasting more than two centuries. And so much of the wealth of this nation - the cotton industry, the tobacco industry among others - was acquired/built literally on the backs of slaves. It’s folks like you who are education-deficient.
I put this in a few posts up, but it certainly fits here: I have to paraphrase the source here because I am too lazy to drag through it for the precise quote. "the great problem of the results of the war was the loss of social status of the poor whites of the South," The original is somewhere in the early sections of his 'Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government." Many whites are still feeling the pain today.
This was a superb clarification. Dr. Pape breaks their findings down into digestible bits, and Michel Martin focuses intently, speeding into the heart of the matter, seeking the core truths we all hunger for.
Brilliant pairing.
He has data, she has a narrative.
And, in my opinion as a white US citizen, it is the misunderstanding that 'equality' of rights for non-whites means that the remaining white population, in the counties described, fears their rights are being taken away to give them to the non-whites. This is a very childlike way of looking at what equality means within the reality of our Constitution. It's like the parental explanation that the kid with the tall thin glass vs the kid with the short wide glass each get an equal amount of juice, even though visually, the tall, thin glass appears to have more. Equality of rights does not mean one side has rights taken away and given to the other side. It means that both sides have the same rights, the same laws apply, and the same opportunities are available. Equality levels the field without taking away any rights from anyone. It means applying the same rights and laws equally and fairly to both sides, without favoring one side over the other.
White people have lived with this inequality for nearly 250 years, having it constantly reinforced by legislation designed to limit the ability of non-white citizens of the US, to live with the same rights as white citizens. Whites have grown quite accustomed to this inequality working to their benefit. And it is easy for them to ignore the suffering it bring to others, because it doesn't touch their lives daily. 😎
People fail to understand that rights go with breathing. Indeed, in the wide world, someone breathing does not cut off anyone else's air. Those who have such a fear secretly believe that they cannot compete on a level field. They think that another person's success takes theirs away.
Here is the reality: in the fable, of the tortoise and the hare, the hare rested on its advantage, but the tortoise kept doggedly working to move ahead. It is not the fault of the one striving, but of the one standing still. I maintain that, like mountaineers, if one keeps climbing, the ones behind will have empty spots above them. But the truth is, if everyone occupies the space he needs, there is room for everyone on the mountain top.
It bothers me that these moderate achievers do not realize that it is not those behind them who are going to steal what they have. It is the mega rich above them who are keeping them from gaining more. Trump never said, blame the greed of my peers for monopolizing your upward chances, but always, blame the people trying to earn a little something, for taking what you are supposed to have. Ideally, if the poor and the petite bourgeois would team up, they could all have a fair slice of what the oligarchs are cheating them of. Just make the mega rich pay fair taxes, and all the lower people get plenty more to live on.
I wish we could all be as simple as the Special Needs child, whose team worked so hard to win, but they tied instead. Did he cry? Did he complain? No! He jumped up and down and hugged the other team and his own, shouting gleefully, "Everybody won! Everybody won!"
Exactly 💯
@@mightymystery9204 Exactly, and a well stated observation. The reason so many Trump followers fear someone taking their jobs is because they have stopped improving their upward mobility, instead, taking satisfaction in a comfortable, less challenging occupation. In a word, they have "stagnated"! In their reality, it is easier to blame others for their stagnation than to blame themselves for their complaccency. 😎
Those accustomed to the advantage of going downhill to get ahead will have a harder time when the field is fairly levelled, while those used to the extra challenge of going uphill to achieve the same will have a relatively easier time. Hence the resistance of the former, moreso if they are aware of the latter's relative change of fortune.
@@swanbaby62 You are welcome. Civil rights means civil rights equally for all, as our Constitution mandates. 😎
It is a loss of privilege not rights. Most Americans conflate the two.
Well put. You will never hear that in the media in America.
That's a better way of putting it, but perhaps as a loss of white privilege -- which would mean that the main driver of the "loss of rights' argument is about race. Race is the issue and should be THE question, imv.
That's a great comment and I quoted you in a thread above started by jose martinez.
About the only thing I would change is the word conflate and instead use "confuse" because America is in a state of confusion. There are staggering amounts of America (on both sides) that are so confused over what is and isn't true. Its far worse on the Trump side but there are those on the left who are as bad.
What privilege?
@@justaguy9496 Its a great question, but needs a lot of clarification.
First what most people fail to recognize is that there are significant parts of white western populations that have been smashed by the globalization that started with Reaganomics and Thatcherism. Because under that system manufacturing died and with it a many skilled trades (machinists, welders, mechanics,..... etc.).
I'm Australian, but went to college in America (Aerospace U. of Illinois) and have spent the past 30+ years in automation, robotics and control systems. Starting in the early 2000s Australia went through an massive construction boom in mining to feed the Chinese beast. The whole time they screamed about shortages of machinists, welders, mechanics,..... etc. But under our version of Reaganomics we'd already stopped the majority pf training those skills needed. Worse - since that time we haven't fixed it. We dumped our car industry and most of the people dumped have not worked since.
Doing that left a massive chunk of Australia behind and left out. Its almost identical to what happened in America's industrial heartland of Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan,..... etc. Places I know well from my time in America. The same happened in the industrial heartland of Britain. There was an episode of Top Gear dedicated to what the British car industry had once been.
SO WHAT MOST PEOPLE DO NOT GET is that for many many middle class and lower middle class people in countries like America, Britain and Australia they NEVER EXPERICNED ANY PRIVILEGE. For most of the last 30-45 years they have seen all their hopes and dreams smashed with no real wage growth, the loss of job security, low rates of home ownership, declining public services combined with higher energy, water and food bills.
I certainly don't support their views on many things or their behavior but I understand the PART of BEING LEFT OUT. These people have watched actors, singers, sports stars, company CEOs and others get more and more and more and more. What have these people got to feel privileged about? *Remember Hilary Clinton thought so little of Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio that she didn't even campaign there.* People don't respond well to being told they are NOT WORTH IT.
So when Professor Robert Pape is talking about being replaced. No one should be surprised at that when they look at the last 30-45 years. When these upper middle class people form gated communities look at what's happened to people they know from high school or college - WHY should anyone be surprised they are concerned when they are NEXT. 🤷♂️🤷♀️
No matter Who they were - or how affluent they are - if guilty of insurrection - they need to be JAILED and pay for their crime.
Absolutely correct 100% I'm with you 👍🏿👍👍🏽
Preach
💯! And the politicians who helped them too. Consequences.
Simple!!
Agreed...but the really scary part are their reasons for doing what they did.
Wow, this was so enlightening! I feel like I got real answers to questions I’ve been asking myself for a long time. We need more of this type of journalism. Thank you so much. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
This channel is fantastic, great interviews. People should be watching these in full. Subbed.
I have never understood the mentality of people who believe that giving other people the same rights that I enjoy somehow diminishes me.
Selfish, low self-esteem, scared, immature people who surround themselves with a daily diet of emotional manipulation.
It's not about rights. It's about changing the entire demography of a huge Nation. White people will be a minority in a few years. The newborn Population right now is already a non white majority. No country on this Planet would allow that to happen to their own. Becoming a minority in your own country. And america was a white country, founded and built by White people. That accompanied with a constant degrading of White people esspecially White males in the leftist media of course leads to anger and evenetually far right policies.
If Democrats wouldnt have brought all these illegals and migrants here there wouldnt be such polarisation. But guess what, they wouldnt have won a single election in the future If they didnt do thi because Democrat voters have a much lower birth rate then republicans. So that means probably much less Democrat voters. So you bring them from the outside and constantly Talk about Race and present yourself as the noble Party fighting for non Whites.
@@dr.livesey7595 Thank you for letting us all know what a racist you are. And by the way, the indigenous people were here first, and weren't white, maybe, using your argument, they should not have allowed the Europeans to immigrate?
Except that the great replacement theory isn't even about rights, so the researcher's explanation is very confusing. The great replacement theory refers to the belief that whites are being replaced by non-whites, usually via covert, insidious means.
I will never understand the anti-American feelings of persons who violated our Capitol on January 6th!
Fox news has been winding these people up for years.
well, racist have existed since before fox news but it does seem to make them worse.
i think that some people are destined to become their parents. so if your parents are racist then youre fucked unless you try to actively be anti racist
Why Canada BANS Fox Noise!! Wish we would!
@@sch4891 My parents are definitely not racist but my older brother has let himself become one by immersion in Michael Savage talk radio and Fox News on 24/7 in his home.
Yes, FoxNews has been fear mongering against the “others” such as hispanic people. I remember a FoxNews watcher telling me, “pretty soon the ‘Mexicans’ are going to overtake California.” These fears have been going on for a long, long, time.
They suffer from FOXITIS!!
Now 2 yrs after this interview,this is the first time I have heard of it !
Best explanation, I've seen on the subject. I lived in two countries in Africa Rwanda and Burundi, both of them had genocides where hundreds of thousands of people were killed for belonging to a different ethnic group. Rwanda's approach after the genocide was over is to say everyone is a Rwandan, there are no longer any ethnic groups. They have instituted policies for example where people writing the entrance exam for college are given a number to put on the entrance exam so whomever is scoring the entrance exam cannot tell what ethnic group the person belongs to. In Burundi, they do quotas. What I found was that in Burundi, there was a lot more backstabbing and division within the ethnic groups. Now there are no absolutes in this example, but my feelings after living between these two countries over 6 years is the Rwandan approach is leading towards long term healing in Rwanda. It may take generations, but I think the Burundi approach only manages the situation. I give all this information, because I think in the U.S. that we have to stop dividing people in institutions based on color or sex. If you want to base assistance base it on income, I think that would work. Poor whites are not happy when they see rich people of color getting what they think is an unfair advantage and it shouldn't be that way, base help not on color but income and wealth. People must recognise that we are in a very precarious place in our history. Germans were an advanced society that was taken over by angry people, as was Burundi and Rwanda. I loved Rwandans and Burundians, it is impossible to imagine what they were capable of. The same could happen here if we do not deal with these issues. It's not do we deal with disparities but how we do it. Martin Luther said ' judge a man not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character. That is where we need to aim.
Absolutely incredible that a doctor or a lawyer or other professional would go up there to DC and do that. Just goes to show how dangerous Russian disinformation can be.
Not just Russian but also British and Israeli disinformation... most of our own disinformation pales by comparison.
Can’t blame it all on theRussians fox is a cesspool of disinformation
Lmao!
Not just Russian... the domestic Conservative-Disinformation-Complex has been running for decades in America, manipulating people and steadily escalating, to the point where internet randos online took over, and the Russian bot farms barely hard to try, just play on what was already there.
Any "professional" involved in the Insurrection should lose their credentials.
I bet their common thread is fox, oan, and newsmax
How it's not unlawful that they project editorial as real news, starting off with how can a show be allowed to be called news when it's not news but editorials is beyond me.
@@martavillanueva1062 II I agree but I think it's most likely a constitutional issue.
I bet so too! Plus QAnon websites & Q social media!
In another study Facebook was seen as an accurate news source.
I agree. These are those people most susceptible to the constant propaganda lies that stoke their racist based fears and has essentially brainwashed them into an alternate world of fake facts to support those white victimhood butthurt fears. Their fears are based on real socioeconomic hurt, but the propaganda redirects them to hate the very people who would help them and away from the actual source causing their economic pain. Without that constant pavlovian application of their disinformation ecosystem over many years, Trump wouldn't have had such easy low-hanging fruit that allowed him to simply press their pre-sensitized buttons harder, then lie them into insurrection (while grifting them for hundreds of millions of dollars). Murdock / Koch money at minimum is culpable for many years of sewing division, stoking & redirecting hatred, and constantly pushing to divide Americans for their alt-libertarian goal of the destruction of effective governmental institutions (goals Putin also enjoys). For them it's all about preventing "democracy" (and voters) from reigning in their billionaire power via regulation or taxes and a push to consolidate their existing "money is speech" legal bribery ownership of politicians even further. This is a major power struggle that threatens our constitutional form of government. They own a massive media disinformation empire, a base of about 25 to 50% of brainwashed voters (depending on severity) AND also own half the politicians to varying extents. Now they own the majority of the supreme court. Time to wake up and realize this is war against democracy around the world. Murdock isn't just doing this in the USA.
I know this was posted two years ago.
I watched it again today, and it made me recall what I saw during COVID from white men in their '40s who filmed themselves resisting COVID masking guidelines in public places.
These men tended to be getting out of very expensive pickup trucks at warehouse retailers, like Costco. They would film themselves bellowing at store employees who were enforcing masking guidelines. I'm in Texas and our government quickly left it to workers to protect public health.
These men would yell at workers and then cut to themselves either in their trucks or at home talking about their frustrations with masking. Every single one of these guys that I saw in these videos made sure to mention that they couldn't see the female cashier smile at them.
That's when it sank in. There are an awful lot of very comfortable white guys who have been told or conditioned that they are very special people. They are so special, in fact, that to be "robbed" of the experience of seeing a low wage, often non-white female essential worker performing affirmation in their general direction was somehow a human rights violation.
So I find myself wondering if the migration of people from Mexico and Central America, and some of their success in business, is subconsciously needling the psyches of these 40 something white male business owners and whispering to them that they are just not as special as they think. That talent, drive, and hustle is not something naturalized to Caucasian men.
Fear can make people do unimaginable things…. Fascinating interview!
If nobody's held accountable for Jan 6th then they absolutely will learn something, namely that they can get away with absolutely anything and anytime.
Just like their Fuhrer, Donal Trump.
What about the investigation? We are not satisfied with just the rioters being arrested and the resignations of a couple of police chiefs and security personnel !! Those in government involved plus Trump, Guiliani, Don Jr. and others at the rally and organizers of the rally should be investigated!!! We will never forget!!
Dittzx, I have to agree. And all it takes is a lie to justify actions that threaten the country. I'm 65 and a former republican and I never thought we'd see this but it's happening.
You mean like all the rioters throughout the country for years used and promoted by the anti Trump political and corporate Elite? Yeah, your handle fits you well.
You mean the entire Repugnants leadership.
As an African-American male, I have no interest in harming my European-American brothers and sisters. We are one. We are united. Love is God. God is Love, and is the only power that matters, not political power, not economic or military power. The only power that matters is Love.
Thanks for the love Mr.Blake. I know I could use it.
I don’t believe in higher powers, but it makes sense to me that we ALL must work, positively and constructively, TOGETHER to get our World “right”.... for none of us will get out of here alive... and what we leave will be something our children and grandchildren WILL have to live in! It behooves us to leave the BEST World we can for ALL of our descendants... NO ONE should ever get anything that all other people don’t have the opportunity to get! We are only as good a World Society as how the least of us is treated! ALL humans deserve universal health care, good housing and daily, adequate, filling nourishment. There ARE enough resources, including money, to provide everyone..... but.... we may need to provide sensible population control education to all!
We will only surpass our tribalism when we no longer see each other as different I.e. in color, religion, race, economic status, etc. The illusion of being classified according to race is false. There is only one race, the human race. Once the majority recognize each other as human beings we will have achieved a higher consciousness and we can progress to solve our problems together.
@@dianemitchell1717 we are different, and it's wrong to think otherwise. People are different. Cultures are different. Imagine, as a thought experiment, that you value peace and quiet, and your neighborhood is full of like minded people. Over time, different people move in, who love chanting, say, it's their religion, maybe. They chant at 10 am, at 6 pm, at 2 am, and all day every month or so. And more of them move in, and the start to lease the meeting hall down the block from you, and there the chanting is amplified. Your quality of life is obliterated. You complain, but are told they noisy people have every right to practice their religion, and that they are wonderful peaceful people and that you're just going to have to get used to it. This makes you angry. Your paradise is being ruined by newcomers. But you love your home and you buy earplugs and white noise machines, but you still can't sleep or concentrate. It's suggested to you that you could move if you don't like it.
We are different, and value different things, have different customs, and it is common for these things to cause conflict.
There are people that might be able to discard the things they love in order to embrace what others love, but the clear message society is giving the peace and quiet people is that THEY have to adapt to the chanters, not the other way around.
No wonder people are angry. And they're made more angry by people telling them that their anger is just privilege, it's just racism showing itself.
The analysis of the insurrection is great, but many of the 2k+ comments here seem to be drawing unhelpful conclusions.
@@dulpurp well, your comment says more than I think you realize about how your discomfort is the reason for conflict.
Agree, the Blackwater debacle is an important example of how military training and an unquestioned allegiance is a dangerous thing.
The closest thing to an absolute dictator in America is a small-business owner, or a self-employed professional. In general, there is literally nobody, they believe, who has the right to stop them from doing anything. They hate government regulation because they believe they have the right to do whatever they want, without regard for the rights of others. And they viscerally support autocracies because they are autocrats themselves.
Yes, I agree. I would like to add that I have worked for 5 different small business owners and they were all narcissists. I think that one of the motivations (maybe the most important one) is to be able to be the boss over other people. Your word is law.
Nothing in my experience says otherwise.
Most small business owners get the same rules as huge corporations because the cutoff for any small business exceptions is crazy small. There should be more gradation between a 20 employee company and a multinational monopoly. Why isn’t there? I think politicians do it on purpose. Huge corporations have loopholes and their top people have golden parachutes, whereas small business people are struggling with costs that are disproportionate to them. So they vote with the monopolies and identify with them. It’s just another way of dividing us all.
That's a very profound insight. There's no democracy in any company or corporation. If your input is taken at all, it is stolen.
"The Great Replacement" is just a euphemism for racism!
@@personneici2595 It's also a projection of their black and white worldview which is informed by this racism. If they don't dominate others, they believe they will be dominated and the world will be worse off because the "best" people won't be in charge. Textbook white supremacy.
Scarily enough, Donald Trump is still raking in donations from these people as they believe there's going to be another insurrection or coup that will reinstate him as president. Probably to pay for legal fees as his businesses are all failing.
“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket.” -LBJ
I think it goes deeper than just race. The old replacing the young, your neighbor or friend taking your career, or seeing them enjoy life while you aren't because your skill/craft fades into obsolescence, etc. And they don't want to change or learn something new. Hell, not even afraid of being replaced...but fear of having to share albeit the above fears being the worst case scenarios. It's abstract fear that needed a president to provide vapid, abstract promises. They ate it up rabidly and responded rabidly when their ego stroker was taken away.
Exactly
@@Despondencymusic That's why they are deeply conservative, they want things in their lives the way they were when they were happier. Change made them unhappy, they want to go back. Studies have shown this applies to travel, new foods, etc. Conservatives just can't emotionally handle change. As life now changes so rapidly with modern technologies, the right gets even more triggered, it is petrifying to them.
@@briandoczahm yes indeed. Well put. Afraid of being replaced, sharing, and left behind.
They are afraid to lose their positions of entitlement. How pathetic.
I think the psychology behind the insurrectionists is a bit more complicated than that.
You understood nothing.
Well, it is "poverty thinking". What I mean is: they see life as a cake, the more someone else gets, the less I get.
And they are NOT wrong on ALL counts:
In globalization, there is a tendency for businesses to abandon the working class locally in order to usurp someone even more desperate... even farming does that.
Perhaps you can point to racism (that it is the color of their skin that is the issue), or perhaps it is the "divide and conquer" strategy of the global elite that sends more people into the hands of a manipulator like Trump ... I don't know
And yet ... so human.
Hardly. Acc. to observation and data reg. Trump supporters most of them feel threatened and fear to loose their job, their house, their social status, etc..
PS Middle class and working class are indeed under a lot of stress. The struggle is real. During the last 2 decades middle class has significantly shrunken, more and more people don’t have job security, have to work several jobs, etc..
I have said for many years that the problem with the GOP is the viewpoint that life is a zero sum game. If you win = I lose. They simply can't even conceive of a win-win outcome to anything. Real time, all the time crab mentality. It must be so sad to live that way...thinking that all the good things in your life must come at the cost of someone else's happiness and well being.
But it is also uncomfortable when there are so many people, and so many are different and competitors to you.
That’s a “competition” mentality .
I just noticed this video is 2y old.
I thought it was brand new.
It's so relevant still today
the Southern Poverty Law Conference has been tracking and warning us about this for decades.
@Andrea MENDENHALL "Very few of their claims are valid."
Bamboo? Jewish space lasers? Adrenochrome?
@Andrea MENDENHALL I've never heard the SPLC make wild claims like your side regularly does. Bamboo ballots, Jewish space lasers, Hillary eating babies for breakfast, the DNC addicted to adrenochrome, are not "wacko fringe" beliefs for you folks, they are mainstream on your side. You believe this stuff without question. You are crazy and need psychological counseling but will never ask for it nor accept it.
@Andrea MENDENHALL Here's what your side believes:
LIBERAL HUNTING PERMIT
No Bag Limit. Tagging Not Required. May Be Used While Under The Influence of Alcohol. May Be Used to Hunt Liberals at Gay Pride Parades, Democrat Conventions, Union Rallys, Handgun Control Meetings, News Media Association, Lesbian Luncheons and Hollywood Functions.
MAY HUNT DAY OR NIGHT WITH OR WITHOUT DOGS
Found posted at every gun range, bar, liquor store, church, brothel, and outhouse throughout MAGA country. You can pretend you've never seen it before, and you can also pretend you don't understand what it's advocating, but we both know you do.
@Andrea MENDENHALL I'm under no delusions as to what your side is up to. We all witnessed it on Klanuary 6.
@Andrea MENDENHALL there you go...when you run out of valid points to back up your argument, resort to the name calling.
I wish someone would specify exactly which rights these potentially violent persons believe they are losing.
I worked for 2 years as a security guard under an affable white supervisor of right wing and subdued racist views. He was always complaining that white people were ever so slowly losing their rights. I asked him if rights were assigned to groups according to their racial designations by government fiat or were they endowed by nature of these rights therefore recognized as human rights. He could not grasp what I was asking. I directed the same question to a black employee with whom my boss had constant conflict. His response was that good white people in earlier 1960's US history had given black people more rights but that the amount of rights assigned to the black population ( in his words ) by white people was insufficient. He further stated that because white racist political structures had taken rights away from black people that the imbalance or deficit could be remedied by reducing rights for white people. I asked him if were not conceivable that as human beings they...the American black population already naturally possessed those rights but were prevented by racist white people from exercising those natural rights. Equally, he was perplexed and could not grasp what I was asking. This seems to be the normal view of "rights"....a commodity to be portioned out by society/government according to one's real or perceived racial assignment or grouping. This ignorance of what are the natural rights of human kind is very discouraging and appalling.
@@davidmanix3592 beautifully said. I don't think it's about their rights or fears. It's about control & rage - 100% racist rage, I say as a white person.
Really no one is trying to take anything away from them they believed lies from a sociopath
@@davidmanix3592 Thank you for that interpretation and your personal story- it certainly gives me something to ponder on.
@@davidmanix3592 "He further stated that because white racist political structures had taken rights away from black people that the imbalance or deficit could be remedied by reducing rights for white people." I wish you would have asked him exactly what "rights" he thinks have been taken away, and how taking "rights" away from white people would help.
Really great interview-questions and clarity of response. Thank you!
Thanks for this excellent interview! Important perspective!
It seems that he’s basically saying they fear Equality.
It's not about the fear of equality or gaining or losing rights, like this guy keeps repeating. Just like in nature it's about the pecking order and who's in control.
@@Sqamp , everything they said here is a blatant LIE! First, the “right” is NOT all white - there are a TON of black Trump supporters, and Hispanic ones too! Second, this ridiculous “fear of replacement” thing is not true at all - these leftists just made that up! 99% of white Trump supporters are NOT RACIST, and they were NOT protesting about minorities! The protests had NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE! These leftist media people continue to LIE about the protests! They made up this stupid theory about fear of replacement, because they don’t want you to know what it’s really about! The people on the “right” are NOT racist - they were protesting about the government violating the rights of the people, like shutting down small businesses that they’ve worked years to build, and forcing them to wear masks, which does NOT stop viruses, and forced experimental vaccines, which only serve to make billionaires richer & more powerful!
@@libertylover4575 The republican party is around 85% white.
Fear of Replacement is a very real thing that has existed for as long as I've known. It's called the Great Replacement or White Genocide. It originated in France and spread through every white majority nation like wildfire. Yes, there are right-wingers talking about how too much brown people will replace them.
99% of Trump supports are indeed racist. As Trump is also racist
Masks stop viruses. People have been using masks as a medical tool to slow the spread of diseases for hundreds of years
Vaccines are not profitable, it would give companies more money to treat alreadyy sick patients instad of providing vaccines that makes them immune.
Everything you said is wrong.
Marcus little - They prefer to be above others to be privileged.
@@libertylover4575 Why exactly does someone take part in an insurrection against the American people and tries to stop democratically elected representatives to pass the office to the elected president? By the way Biden was elected by an overwhelming majority of Americans.
If you have ever wondered what sociology is, this is it. The numerical study of society and events that occur in that society. It's scientific, and it's based on actual facts.
And I am more proud to have graduated university with my primary degree in Sociology than I have ever been heretofore. Listening to this wise man has been such a pleasure for me!
Sociology is both quantitative & qualitative data.
All well and good, but please see my comment up above.
Also, thanks for becoming a sociologist!
He over looks that trump brought the worst of society out in the open, the racists, white supremacists and neoNazi's. They come from all over but trump has a way to press their buttons.
"Sociology the study of social life, social change, and the social causes and consequences of human behavior.Sociologists investigate the structure of groups, organizations, and societies, and how people interact within these contexts." Therefore,@cidchase, your description is false... If you were a real "sociologist" you would know that a great deal of sociology is observation, interview etc. based - these things are NOT facts. Of course there are "provable" facts but most of sociology is not "scientific .... based on "facts".
OMG a digression from the truth of what happened. Trump misused his power as president to order 10,000 armed goons to be violent at the capital on a big lie. The result: Over 400 are in prison for listening to the moronic lunatic trump.@@cecileroy557
Excellent work. Thanks for covering this study.
This is SO interesting!! Thank you thank you thank you for all your hard work! ❤
It means no excuses, put them in court, give them their trial, and punish to fullest extent of the law.
Let's just be sure we go back to the riots and property fires, Green lasers aimed to blind, etc. etc. and likewise " no excuses, put them in court, give them their trial, and punish to fullest extent of the law." And of course, stop referring to them as peaceful protesters and call them RIOTERS also!
@@crazygravy437 tucker? Is that you?
It was interesting to hear him say that of all the rioters, only a portion entered the Capital. Of those, only a small number were prepared to do violence to legislators. There are several clearly different tranches of Trump supporters and they have to face different consequences.
They screamed 1776. Let me tell you the news headlines on January 7th if it was 1776. General Washington has ordered the rounding up and immediate execution of all the traitors.
@@timothyburke6949 Sounds good…let’s begin with their dear dotard leader
So these middle to high income, family having people who already have their fair share just can't bear the thought that others deserve a fair share too. Nice.
What's sad is, they have everything to lose. They are too selfish and entitled to see that they HAVE the American dream that other people long for and they are literally throwing it away. Do they expect their wives to wait for them to get out of jail? Do they think their jobs will still be there? Who is going to raise their kids when they are gone? They have everything, and they will lose even that, because it isn't enough for them.
I'm guessing you're in 20/30s? You have no idea. No idea.
@@susanmcdonald9088 No idea of what? That all your personally caused problems are caused by immigrants and people of color and not by your own bad decisions?
Pretty much. But it’s mostly ignorant racism.
Slavery ethics are still a potent motivator. Even as we’re all becoming slaves to the corporations.
Great info, as I never would have guessed.
Excellent guest. Bring him back. Learned a lot here.
This guy should testify at the 1/6 commission. Great research
They were afraid of losing their privileged place in society, because then they couldn't treat everyone else like dirt. Put them in jail and let them learn humility.
That part ⬆️
How is it a myth if this entire thread of lunatics is demanding their replacement
@@lancethumel9277 Who is demanding whose replacement? If people want fewer white supremacists in power that just makes sense.
While I agree wirh you, it has been said many times by many people, jail makes you worse. So, the dearh penalty for treason may be the way to go and would send a message....
@@theodoreroberts3407 no. I think we should stay away from death penalties and move more towards understanding root causes, and rehabilitation towards acceptance of all fellow humans as family. It's probably at least somewhat part of a scarcity mindset is my guess.
Great interview. thank you. Scary...
Very articulate and concise. Good scholar
“They are mature adults”.
Anyone who would participate in an insurrection against the U.S. is seriously lacking maturity.
Why is that? Put it this way, the Iraq war we now know was completely illegal, of course we knew it then. Since the US regularly overthrows countries with a military industrial complex that is beyond the elected officials let alone the public, then saving the lives of people in Iraq or any other country can easily be argued to be worth overthrowing the offending government. Intarnational law says that as soon as the US attacked Iraq, it would be completely justifiable for Iraq to set off bombs in the US. Thats legally justifiable. So IF a country commits all those crimes, why would an insurrection be immature or even unjustified? We fully EXPECT and CHEER the chinese when they rise up against their elected officials. And yet China doesn't have nearly the long list of foreign invasions as the US.
An assumed pronouncement is all. White makes in the US - what are THEY complaining about? Oh I see. Fear Nobody wants to replace them. They must be paranoid. Male dominated ego. They know that thing was not stolen. It’s their OWN fears.
Trump ordered his disgusting mob of racists, white supremacists and neoNazi's to be violent at the capital. They listened to him because he was president. That was the high crime he was impeached for. He gave the orders to be violent on a big lie he knew was a big lie.
Yes. And they belong in jail.
@@mikearchibald744you are conflating the issue Mike. This issue was not about international wars. This "war" is between Americans against other Americans. In all honesty, why did the insurrection have to happen? Why did it have to be so violent? They caused the serious injury and death of their fellow Americans. Secondly, this was not a protest per se. The purpose of the insurrection was to overthrow the 2020 election result. It was ridiculous, quite frankly. It really demonstrated that these insurrection bozos don't understand American politics or the process. Biden won, the election was not stolen.
How about twenty years in prison? That will cure them of insurrection. Middle aged now they will be old men when they get out.
Yes and please let’s include the Orange insurrectionist butt plug!!!
The insurrectionists are lucky we were not in a declared war when they decided to attack the capitol.
Treason in time of war usually results in the death penalty.
They’re not locking up Whites
To include the congressional members that sided with the insurrectionists.
Or it could make them even more angry, fearful and hateful when they are out. Education and becoming friends with what they fear and therefore hate is key.
awesome! your videos are great.
In a self-destructive rush they are identifying with anyone like them who seems to be powerful and visible and vocal on their behalf:
We need more exposure to Professor Robert Pape's (and his Team's) studies, methodology and findings. All over the world, in all nations and cultures, the issue of cultural and racial and national and religious identity, even ideological identity, is being threatened by the mind boggling inter-mixing of these - through easy participation-in and exposure-to the contents of an exploding uncontrolled affordable-and-accessible technology-magnified multi-media input-storm. Those unable to interpret the 'death of partial-identity' as an inevitable evolution beyond all less-than-humanity-identities are giving the expected knee-jerk response of - further hardening the out-dated identity. Time has out-dated their group-identity ALREADY, so they are scared and in a confused panic and trying to reverse irreversible time by seeking to 'other' and 'eliminate' those outside their inherited-group identity. In a self-destructive rush they are identifying with anyone like them who seems to be powerful and visible and vocal. This is through the knowledge of their own helplessness in preventing the collapse of the group-identity-privilege they had. So they adore and almost completely lose their own identity into identifying with the one who is much like them - powerful, visible and vocal ON THEIR BEHALF competitive. They clutch for the survival and hence the empowerment of that LAST-STRAW-MAN. They feel powerless, invisible and unheard - so they blind themselves completely to support the pathetic blind existence of leaders who are equally misled - but have found a way to be powerful, vocal and visible. In this the STRAW-MEN and WOMEN (such as Ms Greene) have to dumb down the followers more and more, to make them more and more gullible - as their own survival depends on being parasites on these increasingly lost and mindless supporters. The alternate leadership which will show such lost populations the way to collaborate and merge with diversity has not yet become powerful, vocal and visible. But it is on the way. As humanity evolves into collaborative lateral leadership (actually a post leadership time and era of genuine full-fledged multi-partisan collaborative democracy) - the vertical competitive leadership will temporarily seem to be destructively-powerful through their rabble-rousing skills. But in the short run (few decades) they will be blind enough in securing their own irrelevance. We have to focus on collaborative lateral leadership - where multi-partisan dialogue is the primary value - Enabling Dialogue between diverse-cultured diverse-legacy diverse-inheritance populations. This will require humanity to have a structured, simple Vision of what is Global Community Collaboration beyond legacy, inheritance and group-culture. This Open Assimilative Unconditionally Inclusive Vision is not yet ready or articulated. When it evolves - the tide will turn. Till then we have to live with the vertical leadership incompetents - who are hopelessly outdated for the task of absorbing, understanding, assimilating and integrating the world's explosion of diverse ideas which are flooding the senses and minds and intellects and lives. The awesome and wonderful fact is that the New Vision will not emerge from any one 'leader' - it will crystallize from the apparently chaotic storm of unconnected diverse inputs in the mind-boggling world-media (individual inputs, group inputs, global inputs at all and any vertical and horizontal layers and columns) - simply because the time for a global vision is here - and it cannot be truly global if it is not free of the baggage of narrow-minded vertical competitive leadership that is adversarial through fear of losing privilege and power. Truly global leadership will come through the broad-minded lateral competitive leadership that is non-adversarial though it is competitive in seeking greater inclusivity and integration than the other lateral peer-leaders.
Agreed. The ‘time for a global vision is here’…Beyond material gain, enjoying cohesive vision of inclusive leadership that respects the capacity for innovation and wonder within us all.
This OP's very long comment filled with hyphens (or dashes) on every second word is nearly impossible to read. I refuse to even bother trying.
Why do people think it's cute to invent new ways to butcher their writing? The best comprehension by readers happens when they don't have to put any extra effort into deciphering what it says. How are these nutty writers too stupid to see that?
Writing with allcaps. Or with no capitals, and no commas or periods. Or writing where every word is capitalized. Or all the other stupid ways of changing things, and making the readers work harder. All of those things make it more work to read, so they increase the chances that the reader will do as I do, and think, "I'm sick and tired of these nutcases, and I don't give a damn what they think, so I'm not going to read this at all." As a result, this person's very long comment that must have taken a lot of effort to write will go unread, not just by me, but by the majority of people who see it and refuse to have their time wasted.
It's a total waste of the writer's time too. How stupid. They should have left out the fanciness of hyphens (or dashes) everywhere, and just written it as we were all taught in school. THAT is the way to reach the most people.
@cattymajiv I agree, but yours was a little wordy too.
Now, summarize what you just wrote.
@@heidimccann6785 I see what you mean. Mine was not concise at all. Thanks for pointing that out! It's definately something I need to work on. 😉 ✌🏼
This guy gives me hope that someone is looking at the facts. Wish more was published about his findings.
Google him. There is more out there.
The stupid ones got caught isn't his story.
@@ilovegir As TFG's college prof graded him "the dumbest g_dd_mn student I ever had" combined with the way he treats people around him, will see him in Jail or worse.
@@thomassherer5962 what the hell. You woke or something triggered you?
@@ilovegir Not sure what youre ttiggering over. Aren't you awake?
Stupidity triggers me.
I agree with many of the other comments here. I think the term "rights" should be changed to "privilege". No group has actually lost rights as others have gained them. It never fails to amaze me how many problems in this world are directly relate directly related to one group needing to feel superior compared to another group. This can include gender, race, ethicity, and religion. The only way some feel good about themselves is to be perceived as better than others. So very sad.
You'll have to take my Rights by force then. I'll not be sent uncharged to some Federal Prison where your goons can blind me like they have some of those "insurrectionists". All for equality right? Go to Hell
Note that Mr. Pape makes a point of insisting upon the use of the word rights instead of allowing the discussion to continue on the premise of privilege. The word privilege introduces prejudgement and prejudice. His astute rejection of this word, which is currently paired with whiteness, allows the discussion to continue objectively, which is necessary if you are calling this scientific research or social science.
I think it’s deeper than that. Male identity and value has had to make room for women to do as well and often better than them. This displacement is real and consequential as men struggle to know what being a man in this new schema is. Other different men could be an easy target but not necessarily the actual “reason”.
"No group has actually lost rights as others have gained them", I agree except for 1- women have lost the right to choice over their own bodies, while Religion gains more rights.
"No group has actually lost rights as others have gained them"? My how politically ingenuous. Let's say a powerful and properly predatory empire finds it includes among it's citizens let's say two power seeking cultural minorities. Am I to conclude that you have not the awareness, never mind the shrewdness of imagination that the big power, besieged or not, might, could and likely does work, you feckless and reckless wonder, to get them to fight each other??...wasting energy and material fighting each other, weakening their position? Take the guess work out of your assertion, and you have nothing left.
It always comes back to the FDR quote really. Fear is the single biggest threat to human society.
This study is interesting as it focused on the rights that these people feel they are being denied. But these so called”rights”need to be defined .
That makes sense. They are okay with people who don't look like them as long as these "other" people aren't seen as equal and know their place.
The phrase "know their place" always makes me want to vomit.
Hit the nail on the head. I had an eye opening experience with people I thought were friends right after President Obama was elected. I realized then, that they liked me as long as they felt that they had a "better" social standing than me. The moment they thought they would have to acknowledge me as a social equal, their true colors showed. As much as it saddened me, I was glad it was revealed.
And don't get to vote.
What could be clearer?
@@PomegranateStaindGrn aim for the face, try to get some in the hair.
May I just say, I really like this man. He is so thoughtful, precise and smart.
I felt he was talking to us like we were children.
@@sadiemakesmesmile I hope you didn't mean that in a bad way. Could we say that he talked to us like a wise and kind old professor would talk to his students? I hope so.
@@sadiemakesmesmile he sounds like a college professor.
Now Trump talks to people like children & has many good little kids that listen to him. He speaks just like some parents that never explain why they want you to do something, just do it because I said so & unfortunately some people respond well to that.
It depends on whether you grew up in an educated or unedecated atmosphere that influences your responses to information. He just summed it up pretty well that undereducated areas & also people in desperate situations makes people more likely to be easily influenced & indoctrinated while not trusting themselves to be good judges seeking others to lead them.
Republicans know this, they keep their citizens in the worst education system, push church & keep you under paid. This makes people more likely to work slave wages jobs & join the military & if you don't do one of those Republicans will hate you & want you to disappear. They hate the poor they create. They want people to be useful idiots that are happy with any scraps you can get.
The truth is that the majority of people in this country want the exact same things but fight over lies fed to them & it's to the point that the right think they are fighting against the very same facsism they protect.
"Attenuate". Really??
Much better: "We're not going to BE PATIENT any longer."
@@sadiemakesmesmile I thought he explained the fear these people have of the great replacement theory very well.
How can he say the threat of suicide terrorism is zero when there's a mass shooting almost every single day in America that ends in suicide almost every time? And most of these attacks are basically what amounts to terrorism. Doesn't seem like zero to me.
Beautifully articulated.
They are secure enough financially and in their social circles and can “play” at politics in a state of ignorance and comfort with no significant repercussions.
You have landed on something important here.
Something also happened in the 80's to a whole generation - for them to arrive at this moment. They were definitely fed a whole lot of BS that they bought wholesale. I wonder what they really think it means to be Americans?
Exactly!!!
Wish they noticed that too. Had time and money to go to DC and riot, too. 🙄
Spot on. I know some who were there. They supported all but the violence. They own many guns. All it will take is more faux news grievance games to make these people who blame others for life's downsides and mistakes to become violent. They speak that way already / celebrating the running over of protesters that are POC.
All the insurrectionists were in this together so they all need to be jailed for sedition, end of story 😃
I would say public execution
@@nagatopainbio-hazard221 absolutely 💯
Ok but why the 😃?
Nothing wide-eyed and humorous about this situation.
w/ the convicted guilty ones placed on a guillotine face-up so they can watch as the _ blade __ slides ___ down
you are just jealous because casual north european political violence is 10 x more effective than planned orchestrated violence by any other group
Very interesting interview. Thank you
Great analysis!😉
Mr Pape is one of the most intelligent people I have ever heard speak. He is academic, insightful and experienced. This kind of wisdom and leadership is exactly what we need in order to understand and solve the problems this country is suffering.
My pape has a Doctorate in Nuclear Physics and still swallowed Donny's bullsh**. But, he is in his 80's, so, well....
Alzheimer's is a hell of a disease.
OK, it was late and I misread this, I thought you were talking about your father...
@Andrea MENDENHALL What? Anti authoritarianism means anti-trump. Capice?
@Andrea MENDENHALL oh so it's only authoritarianism if it's left wing, yeah that figures
Whatever Lib! Leader President Trump is like a modern-day GOD to us Conservatives and you all persecuted the righteous man that was trying to make America Rich Again!! Shame on you!
Oh, no! After hundreds of years of having unlimited power and privilege, we have to share power with other people who don't look like us! 🙄🙄🙄
I know. Why do they think that giving others rights takes from their own?
@@stellashepherd844 Power is a zero sum game.
Spot on.
@Tia Pickeral and that is exactly what this is all about, not fear of being replaced, not fear of others getting rights that they don't have, just fear that they dont have all the control.
Who living today has had unlimited power and privilege for hundreds of years? Perhaps some people don't think "we" but "I" or just think of "we" as humans not basing it on looks. The answer to my question is, nobody, in case you didn't know.
Thank you for this Intelligent and Concise Dissertation on this very important matter. Cheers from Michael. Australia.
Would love to see an updated version of this study.
"Mature adults?" That's a stretch.
what part? mature? or adults?
Physically, not mentally!
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No kidding!!!
Immature men… always responsible for the worst acts.
Not surprised of the findings. Nazis were from all walks of life, too. This is important information!
This was incredibly fascinating and extremely relevant! It raises a lot of questions. There is no excuse for their acts. And these were a small group compared to the entire US population for sure but I can’t help but wonder from the context of if these people were mainly of another demographic the conversation would maybe be focused on what is it about these people that causes them to become so radicalised?? I can’t help but think that social inequality affects so many people in different ways and may play a big part in explaining their point of view. I hope they dig deeper into the psychology here. I think it could help provide more clues. Too easy to dismiss these people as wakos. They need to be held to account 100% but what’s going on that would cause people that are relatively well off but perhaps only financially to become to disillusioned with their life prospects etc. Fascinating study. So very relevant. I hope there is more information to come of this.
Like he stated, replacement theory.
Such an excellent piece. Thank you. I would love to see an update to see if further assessment has led to more insight (or has provided a view into any shifts on the percentage of potential insurrectionists -- whether that number has increased or decreased).
Robert Pape was a guest 2 weeks ago
@@EA50458 Thanks, I will look up that episode!
As a militant and long student of the history of class struggles I find this presentation's conclusions the most important facts that should be exposed in all media and platforms. This is the proof that the source of fascism is among the wealthy and the lumpen social sectors of the USA. That the political problems and enemies of democracy is a social class tired of democracy.
AMEN!
I would say that they don't know how to participate in a democracy. Also, don't overlook the racial fear. The study pretty much centers on the prime motivation, although it isn't really rights that are at issue. They have a cultural fright. They do see fascism as an answer. The Republican party has embraced all their fears and values.
@@nonewherelistens1906 that place in the state of mind of the decayed and corrupt corporate class, the wealthy in the USA is where fascism already here , organized and in hiding found the moment to expose themselves in a decided resurrection and ready for action. That fear is more a political asset they promote and propagandize
when they feel the people is becoming a challenge to their dominant position. Race and many more excuses are at the ready for that political decision. Because fascism is a political decision to enforce as an agenda . it is ongoing. It is a strategy planned as a long term proposition . fascism prepared its exposure years ago and it wasn't Trump who started it. He just made it a radicalized public playbook systematic from day one of his campaign. It is a lie he was playing at first. He was engineered from way before the primary election of the GOP's candidate for potus. Let's remember how he reproduced to the letter the playbook of fascism as done in Europe
@@nonewherelistens1906 racism is part of the learned culture of this people. They grow in a racist close community. They live among them they live racism and class membership is in their belief that the rich are supposed to lead. That is class identity. They are conscientious firm believers of the wealthy right to monopolize power. Power grab and disenfranchising is a common sense and correct thing to do. Class warfare is real.
@@nonewherelistens1906 this tells me you never believe Trump was capable of doing as he did and the extremes he performed and willing to go as far as a Hitler would. Please tell me if I am wrong. Since downplaying the GOP and many politicians is what got the USA where it is now.
The scariest thought in this whole ordeal is the fact that Congress could not protect itself and does not seem to care. That does not bode well for the rest of us.
Yeah i d say u muricans r in a bad situation
@Andrea MENDENHALL You are right. The insurrection wasn't allowed by trump, it was caused by trump.
Look how many in Congress were aiding and abetting the entire event.
@Andrea MENDENHALL it was allowed by Trump, he sat on his hands for hours, and it was allowed by a whole set of traitors
@Andrea MENDENHALL So you don't abide by the Constitution and believe in vigilante justice? Trump is a traitor who broke the Constitution from day one.
Read the Constitution. Trump sat and watched, hoping some Congressmbers would be kidnapped by unAmerican fragile white people afraid of America being fair to all races. Villanizing other Americans and Congress was Trump's first assault on our nation.
He needs to go to jail, that coward will defect to Saudi Arabia before his conviction for tax and banking fraud.
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Great to learn about this. Thank you so much for illuminating this subject. One thing I would count as critical and essential that he didn't address and one doesn't often see today is how do we take that info and and use it to engage the population as a whole to make things better. Im not talking about government programs and helping elect candidates. I'm talking about something we can hang onto and put our energy into as we live our daily lives. Obviously if the American people want a renewed confidence in their country, it's going to have to come from themselves, not from our messed up government. As it is, all we know to do is watch the process and shake our heads and try to avoid clashes with our fellow beings. "We the people" need a good foothold again.
However enticing and hopeful that outlook is, we have to entertain the idea that we cannot change these peoples' minds. They are fiercely, proudly, ignorant. They believe they have knowledge that others do not. They know how things "really are." The knowledge is already there, available to anyone who wishes to learn. They do not. And this is not new. We are seeing it in a new and constant barrage due to,social media and the instant, always-on nature of the internet. But the mindset that draws these people to conpiracy theories, and prevents them from compassion the rest of us find commonplace is genetic.
Peer-reviewed studies have been done on the brain structures of self-identified liberals, and those of self-identified conservatives. MRIs show a more-developed right amygdala in the conservatives, and a more-developed anterior cingulate cortex. The right amygdala is responsible for flight-or-flight response, while the anterior cingulate cortex is responsible for critical thinking and compassion. The predictability of identifying a liberal or conservative by brain scan alone is near 70%. (Scientific American, Oct. 26, 2020)
We are fighting a losing battle trying to change something that can't be changed. We need instead, to find a way to minimize the damage they can do, especially in policymaking. Relying on someone who has no ability or desire to change their illogical worldview is folly.
@@DonoVideoProductions I agree. It wouldn't be about changing anyone else. It's about those who are willing and caring to become stronger in what they believe.
Awesome information. I grew up around these types. Always baffled me how they could have so much and be so afraid. Cray-cray rich people. Sorry, I'm not at the compassion stage, yet
The fact they are fearing a great replacement pretty well means they firmly believe in some kind of racial caste system where no matter what, they are the favored ones.
@@amywalker7515 good point
@Pol Pot 2024
What squatters?
@@amywalker7515 So true, and they are also misogynistic. They would be happy to go back to the days when white men only could vote and hold property.
I can’t say that I feel a great deal of compassion for those wholeheartedly back a violent racist ideology, but I think I understand the nature of their fear: it’s an existential crisis. Their image of themselves is under threat, which they experience as the threat of annihilation. But compassion? Its like trying to feel compassion for a stampeding herd of steer that’s coming at you. I’ll feel compassion after they’ve safely passed and gone over their cliff.
Robert Pape is a brilliant analyst.
And I appreciate him doing this. I knew it wasn’t “economic anxiety” but it’s really good someone of his caliber did the study.
Robert Pape is a divisive propaganda distributor with credentials. Big whup.
Quest - OMG yes !! I want to subscribe to HIS channel !!
Excellent interview. Thank you for this incite-full discussion. Unfortunately, I had already come to the same conclusion. Now it is a matter of influencing through education and understanding that hopefully these individuals realize the truth or reality of the world. As was pointed out, minorities only want the same opportunities and treatment as those who feel insecure about their futures.
Wow. Are you somebody?
Very interesting analyses. Of course I need to learn more. Many pieces becoming more visible and predictable. Keep up the good works and words.
When inequality is the norm ... the previously favored experience the shift as a loss of rights. Excellent piece.
Inequality? Who is it that has what ? I'm 65, from kindergarten my bff was black. Mom would fix lunch for us. Her mom would pick her up or mine drive her home . My parents were poor. Everybody's just working hard, live and let live . But, we had manners, respect, etc.
@@barbginther2171 You are the exception, not the rule. Don't over react or take it personal. Most white working class have had our life struggles. Would you like to trade places with a similar aged black person? Equality to privileged seems like persecution. It's not! But certain vested interests want you to feel like you're being persecuted.
@@1515cando It may be that fear that they will become treated as they have treated others. Loss of respect and power is one thing, but having a fear of how you will be treated is another.
@@barbginther2171 You've NEVER tried to help a black person secure loan to buy a house though , have you , now ? Have you ever walked into a police department with a person of color ? It isn't the same for everybody , but white folks don't see it very often .
@@barbginther2171 If you can persuade the KKK etc. to live and let live, then please do. Once you've done that, we can all calm down. But as long as white supremacists are stabbing, lynching, running people over in cars - until THEY stop, the rest of us aren't safe; our options are resistance or death.
This is one of the most important news casts I've heard for awhile. Martin is a great interviewer. She asks relevant questions and allows people to speak.
This was fascinating
Fascinating. I am particularly interested in the intervention possibilities for the military. As it has been said, “some of those who work forces are the same that burn crosses.” Finding a peaceful and effective way to bring people back from the brink of political violence.
This is the first real explanation of what is driving the fear and aggression, not only in the US, but globally. Thank you
This man needs to speak at the commission If it goes through
Hopefully it will..
Thank you
People do crazy things when they’re in a mob.
Equality is such a big threat especially when giving things to people deprived of the very things you’ve been enjoying for the longest time means not taking anything away from you to achieve it. The fear of equality for fearing people you were taught to being inferior finally getting on par with you. The horror!!!
It's a "zero sum" game. Equality for one group means oppression for the other. This is what conservatives believe. Any "gains" by racial minorities automatically come at the expense of whites. They'll never accept losing an election if minorities mostly vote for the other side because they hate the idea of sharing power with nonwhites .
that has nothing to do with it. Stupid strawman argument.
@@MHO999999 or it's been demonstrated that some don't want winning on both sides. Ideas that whites (as a monolithic group) owe blacks reparations for example is something that generates legitimate fears.
While I'm certainly NOT equating the impact on blacks vs whites, a significant number of whites FOUGHT and DIED for the abolishment of slavery. So to be lumped into one group labeled as responsible is as offense as the monolithic belief that all blacks are represented by those show on the night news wanted for some gang related murder.
It was 1%'ers who owned slaves when it was legal, so most whites didn't even own slaves. Even blacks owned slaves, and admittedly, that wasn't the typical circumstance. Not only did European and American slave traders pick up slaves in Africa, but rival tribes sold captives from other tribes into slavery. I think the complaint is the responsibility for what a few did, and several generations removed seems to be placed on all, and it should be no shock when those who didn't participate resent being told they are guilty simply due to their skin color.
Or we see the stories of where a business owner loses the freedom to live his faith, where some would force them to bake a cake for a wedding that goes against their beliefs. I don't necessarily agree with the business owner. Yet I want him to have the right to live his values. Just as I want the same-sex couple to have the right to live their values.
It's not enough for some to live and let live. They want to impose their values on others.
I suspect it's more of a cultural war than it is a racial war in many cases.
Bottom line, the answer is more complex than they are simply racist fear mongerers. Some see the replacement of one form of racism with a different form of racism, and that's no more acceptable than the first form.
Eloquently worded.
Yes.
@@nooneofconsequence1251 It is absolutely right.
This man is in essence a saint, helping our country to deal with the crisis of mass radicalization - I hope his words and findings travel far and wide! 🙏
This man is a communist Traitor.
Yes Eric but people have to have ears and minds to listen. I think there is an ugly trend of people "dumbing" themselves down by not listening to uncomfortable (for them) truths that might challenge their viewpoint. Education in the broader sense of the term is an ongoing process to get rid of the mental dust and cobwebs. Best wishes.
This was a good interview.
Excellent!
Let's repeat the obvious quote
" When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression ".
This is great! So nice to hear from someone who actually knows what he is talking about.
He utilized THEORIES to expose who is CRITICAL of RACE change...
CRITICAL and fearful enough to attack U S Government in D.C.
He hasn't got it figured out really. More like he has formed his own preferred result. So sad.
"actually"
The head of Q-Anon knows what he's talking about as well...It's just that it's mostly* detached from reality. This guy's talk was valuable because he not only knew what he was talking about but it was also supported by trustworthy data and analysis of those data.
* all propaganda has nuggets of truth - it's how the...'clientele'... are convinced to let the lies in.
I wish I had seen this 2 years ago! Great insight provided herein
100 years ago in the 1920s after WWI, the city and the University of Chicago became the birth of "Social Sciences." in America due to multiple ethnic groups migrating to that city. A century later, this interview proves they still are trendsetters with startling findings of the professions of Capital rioters by university study. Thumbs up report!
this was a startling finding to you?? Fear of 'Replacement'... what about replacement by robots... thats a real one for a lot of people, add that to the list.
@@sadiemakesmesmile Okay, I and 26 other people at the time of your response found this social science study of capital rioters to be startling. Also, I don't use other people's concepts and make them my own. Until robots take over, the Humans at the University of Chicago that conducted this study did a GR8 observation of the professions of participants. If you are a betting person, would you have thought the rioters are financially well-off? Not me. Thank you for choosing my comment to respond to.
@@Freedmen-American-Reparations Devon, you have no argument here from me, but the University of Chicago was the 1st major school to implement social science into the school curriculum. Fisk University, where DuBois once taught can make a strong case of the "origins." of social sciences in university study. You commented in a singular content "father" which I also knew this already sir but thanks for responding to me.
@@Freedmen-American-Reparations Being black probably limited the amount of both credit given as well as the attention provided to the nascent Sociology discipline. Dr. Dubois was the 1st black awarded a PhD at Harvard.
@@Freedmen-American-Reparations No offense, but you commented like I was not, come on now, take care.
So much time has been spent by pundits and anchors analyzing this, but this is by far the most meaningful thing I've seen on the subject. Thanks to Amanopur & Co. as well as Robert Pape.
Very interesting and thoughtful discussion.
Excellent study...interesting findigs.
Robert Pape is such a thoughtful, well-spoken man. Appreciate his insights.
Yes, but . . . Am I the only person here who is, “shocked,” that these academics in this video say they’re are, “shocked,” by what they’re finding? I feel like I’m trying to warn people all the time. They come from the, “bluest states,” because they are the disappointed, entitled, spoiled boomers who lost! They can’t accept, “no,” for an answer, because their rotten parents brought them up like that, and went WITH THEM to their Insurrection! Nearly all the people arrested, are being indicted along side their moms! Some with their dads, but mostly their moms! Privileged, entitled, RACISTS! That’s how Fascism ALWAYS STARTS!🤷♂️🙄 . . . ✌️👍
@@ashroskell can you explain the racism you see? and details please they say trump was racist yet I keep seeing all those images of colored folks loving trump before he got into politics. sorry doesn't add up and it's a copout to name call. proves your argument is over as name calling is the last resort and usually a tactic of frustration.
@@trevorakm Trump hired black people to attend his rallies and called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals as well as Africa a place full of shithole countries.
There you go to name a few
@@charlotteseux7052 so before I get to your citings, do you think a racist would hang out and take all those pics with celebs of color before he became president? They loved him!!!!! now: hired black people to attend rallies , ok got proof? and do you question your sources or know which way they slant? again proof, he's got the money to pay people so show me. called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. ok he said MS-13 members were rapists and criminals and maybe animals. no that last one was joe biden when he was before the senate talking about the crime bill he proudly authored. the same bill that has done so much damage to the black community and family. also if they were citizens they would go to prison for their crimes against society. He was speaking about deporting them correct which means they are illegal immigrants no? and if you don't come through a port of entry even to declare assylum then you are illegal and my friend with the compassion and empathy coming through my key board, are you stepping up to pay the costs of supporting an individua? ahh yes the africa shithole comment trump stated directed at congresswoman Ilhan Omar, well I don't see any commercials for vacation destinations in Somalia either back in time when she immagrated to the US or now. Do you and why is that? I can venture a guess. and while I am proud for what she has over come and been able to accomplish with her life and career here in the US should she really complain?? and what she is railing against do you only take it at face value????? most people don't appreciate her stance as a result. Her chances of attaining what she has here in the US, back in Somalia are pretty close to nill. And before you say it Somalia was rotten long before the black hawk downfight. Infact if Somalia was so nice back then why was the UN in there. This reminds me of the whole stance of saying the US is a systemic racist broken country that millions dream about coming to and many face danger trying to get here illegally. isn't that interesting? utopia doesn't exist nor communism why because of individual thought only works for certain insects species and they are the few amongst many.
@@trevorakm im not going to argue with a simp but your first argument is the definition of tokenism, second is not in the context of ms 13 it is in context of mexican people in general, and third in the comment he was referring to Haiti, El Salvador, and the continent of Africa not specifically the country of Somalia
This was the most informative and fascinating explanation of what’s going on regarding the insurrectionist I have yet heard. Thank you.
I totally agree.
This is actually frightening!
Absolutely agree that it was fascinating. For me, it came filled with surprises - age, socio-economic factors, the counties they came from. A lot more unpicking to do. I for one will be looking out for the full report.
The politics of grievance...the people that used to be the party of self reliance and self accountability have become people who only care about what is being done for others. They had a future before they broke into the capitol building, they had jobs and responsibilities and they gave it up to attack our Nation, claiming it is patriotism. Stop crying about others and man up for yourself, which used to be the core belief of the Republican party, that's all I can say to all of the insurrectionists.
I agree and none of it surprised me.
thank you
great info. wish the algo had shared it earlier
The age data point wasn’t too surprising. In their formative years: 1970-90s the communities in the metropolitan areas were still very segregated and inherited much of the racial prejudices from their elders.