Yea definitely not a straight repeat, since the ANA didn't even put up much of a fight. They weren't getting money to feed them and their family so they had no will at all to fight
The most intense video of Simple History this 2021 so far, the video is not only a big part of history but it rhymes on a event currently happening right now.
"This is not going to be another Saigon." "The Afghan Army has a well trained army as good as any country in the world" "That was four days ago" - You-Know-Who
@@Menaceblue3 No. Joe Biden was lied to by the Military Industrial Complex, and the idiots who built the fake Afghan Republic. The only thing holding Afghanistan together from the first Invasion in 2001 to August 15th 2021 was the US Military and its allies. Once enough of them left, it was only a mater of time.
The Afghan Army was a total failure. The recruits had little motivation to defend, instruction was difficult, they could not follow simple orders, illiteracy was high, desertion was common, and very little qualified Afghan leadership could be found.
Was it actually the “most strategic?” That’s where this becomes questionable - it sounds like what they need at the airport isn’t more airport, but more planes.
@@m1a1abrams3 Nam was against communists and in the modern day it all worked out, and South Korea worked out, we never should have been in Afghanistan in the first place.
@@jodofe4879 because ARVN acutally got paid a fraction of wages they were promaised while afghan forces havent been paid for years under the corrupt puppet government
And most of them has been used by PAVN. Aircraft, tank and other armored vehicles might been expired but small arm like M16 still use in special force or coastal force, and they also make new M16 based on original because they had like almost 1 million M16 in storage.
Ironically most US allies can't even afford that kind of equipment. But US has no problem giving it for free to their enemies. 👏👏What a great f€cking ally
@OrangeT1cT2c2021 Only some unit keep fighting.The other flee on helicopter,boats and some even bring war ships and military planes to Philippines before seen any enemy units.You can easily find some pictures of Sai Gon at this day and you can see helmets,flak jackets, boots,pants,… even gun thrown everywhere
Just a little information: The Long Binh Armory still has a lot of weapons and military equipments not be used even after fighting against rogue Khmer and China.
I remember seeing a documentary about how the US learned from Vietnam with an US general explaining what was the difference, how Afghanistan won't end up like a second Vietnam and how their fighting tactics evolved from it... Pretty sure now this documentary is rated as a comedy...
In at least one way, it's good that this happened. Because it wakes some people up to the propaganda that we are fed all the time, and which most people actually believe.
My mom was one of those random children evacuated by helicopter. She found her family again 15 years after the war when communications between the US and Vietnam opened up again.
My wife was only about 3 years old when Saigon fell. She does remember being at her grandmas house and hearing machine guns. She also said she remembers someone carrying someone on their back but wasn't sure if that person was dead or not. She was finally able to be sponsored over to the US with her mother and sister by her father (who escaped in '75) when she was about 19.
@@overmind06 I've read Art of War a few times and don't remember him saying that. Although I do know someone relevant who repeated the quote: "This will be the final message from Saigon (CIA) station. It has been a long fight and we have lost... Those who fail to learn from history are forced to repeat it. Let us hope that we will not have another Vietnam experience and we have learned our lesson. Saigon signing off." - Thomas Polgar, CIA station chief, Saigon April 30, 1975
also don't invade countries without a good plan to withdrawal maybe don't put corrupt officials into office, maybe analyze the area your in, maybe give better datelines but sure ya simply don't be corrupt
It's fascinating that the Fall of Saigon happened exactly 30 years after the Fall of Berlin and Hitler's death in 1945. I guess history really does repeat itself in some ways...
Now the communsit invade sai gon one again,they send the military to suppress any revolt,and the people here is staving because of the lockdown,and all the people in ho chi minh city run back to their home town in a mass migration
My grandfather Ronald Foster, was in the seals during operation frequent wind, he received 2 purple hearts and a white cross. He sadly passed away 2 weeks ago from battling leukemia. RIP the bravest yet most gentle man I ever knew
My grandfather was a Major of the ARVN. After April 30th incident, he was forced to what the gov called "re-education" camp for 10 years and luckily came back home survived. However, he always refuses to tell most of the things he experienced during that time.
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At leat the avrn USED THEM!!! And not surrendered like cowerds within 2 weeks it tock the nva 2 years to take south veitnam with avrn haveing no us support and Afghanistan having all the support even drones 4ft Asian with a croupt president and no us support and fought an enemy how had tanks and jets fought harder then middle easterns with all 🇺🇸 support and a good goverment that was less croupt and an enemy that only has trucks with machine guns avrn 2 years Afghanistan 2 weeks wow
There’s a difference between Vietnam and Afghanistan, when the US pulled out of vietnam in 1973, the south Vietnamese had a trained army that at least held their ground and fought the Vietcong for *2 WHOLE YEARS* before the war ended in April 1975 As soon as the US rage quit on Afghanistan, so did the afghan army
@@thecommentguy9380 just Russia, China sat this one out because of their historical dominance of Vietnam plus the Sino-Soviet split and China would invade Vietnam after an unified Vietnam would invade Cambodia to topple the Khmer Rouge
I was part of Operation Frequent Wind aboard USS Midway. I'll never forget the sight of a skyful of helos desperate to land on the flightdeck. A sad end to a failed nation building effort. Kabul only brings back a repeat of the same folly.
Vietnam wasnt nation build its only objective was to not let the communist takeover it didnt matter after that if the country went another direction like a dictatorship . As long as the communists didnt win the US supported horrific dictators that suppresed communist movements
The trouble was, while in the first Gulf war, the most TV-friendly commanders, to a man Vietnam vets, knew enough to have an exit strategy in place before even going in, the Draft Dodging Fake Texan Son of Another Fake Texan had none of that experience and therefore none of that simple common sense. (Don't forget Dubbyah was born in CT and his dad in Mass.).
The military learned, they advised to Biden that pulling out from Afghanistan would be disaster, but Biden didn’t listen and pulled out anyways. Our military has learned, but our government and congress did not.
Well, what do you want us to do? Be civil and "modern" try to explain civil liberties to a people that blow themselves up and cut off heads? Or do we revert back to what worked in the past? Mass executions of suspected POWS, strip them naked, take no prisoners. I mean we cant win because either way you cut the cake, someone is gonna make a fuss about it
"Vietnam was the first war ever fought without any censorship. Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind" -William Westmoreland
@@JacF6734 no but I think Westmoreland meant controlling the narrative. During WWII the government release a series of films called “Why We Fight” to first motivate the troops and to explain why the US in the war. The message: We got some evil empires out there and if we don’t stop them the world is screwed. There wasn’t anything similar messaging for Vietnam oof Afghanistan or Iraq. Just vague notions of stopping Communism or terrorism in countries most people couldn’t find on the map at the time.
"This will be the final message from Saigon (CIA) station. It has been a long fight and we have lost... Those who fail to learn from history are forced to repeat it. Let us hope that we will not have another Vietnam experience and we have learned our lesson. Saigon signing off." - Thomas Polgar, station chief
@@tomaszzalewski4541 that most probably won't be For the following reasons Their Army's morale Superior Leadership No one absolutely no one likes Daesh
Not really. The PAVN agreed to halt their assaults and bombardments for the evacuate operation. Battle resume when the last American chopper has evacuated.
@@ishrendon6435 They do, but they hate ISIS more. They also want to have a functioning country after this is all over and rather not be a global pariah.
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Well youtube hate history content, they keep banning and demotize every history channels in youtube, so youtube is the doomed one who want to repeat the war.
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My Dad used to say nothing ever changes except the numbers on the calendar. Stuff like this just proves he was a heck of a lot smarter than I gave him credit for.
As a Vietnamese, i am quite impressed of how accurate this video is. The time and events are accurate. Vietnam and the US had been enemies for more than 30 years and both bared unmeasurable losses and grief. The wound made by the war still exists to this day. But we Vietnamese are resilient. We stand up and move on. We never want to be hostile against the US either before or now. I hope that we can be friends in many fields including the digital world like TH-cam. As for the Kabul evacuation, it is somewhat similar yet quite different from the fall of Saigon (i will not explain how similar and different they are cuz that would be very long). I don't know what u guys feel about US troops in Afghanistan, but my point of view is the retreat from Afghan is a wise decision of the US. Why make a bloodshed for nothing in a foreign country? And American people will no longer see their sons/ husbands,/dads/ friends go to war and might never see 'em again. It's their country, they must deal with the problems themseves. As for the Ta.li.ban, if they are truly evil, the Afghan people will stand up and fight, just like the Vietnamese or any other people would do for their homes. But now, we will have to wait and time will tell the truth
@@khanhshiroshi8700 I know that. but in vietnam the south and the north speak different accents, different traditional customs, different interests…and there are many different things. Up to now, regional discrimination in Vietnam is also a problem. Because the southerners used to be capitalists and the northerners were communists, their views on the Vietnam war were completely opposite.
@@ohhello3037 lol ye in Vietnam this is still a problem but you don't need to ask him whether he is south or north tho. Vietnam right now is a unified county it's really doesn't matter which places you are born from, you and I we both from the same county so why discriminate each other and judge people base on their whereabouts right ?
Lol this was the best policy we made in over a decade at that point - so is this... you seriously think people in America argue that we should have stayed in Vietnam longer these days?
"This will be the final message from Saigon (CIA) station. It has been a long fight and we have lost... Those who fail to learn from history are forced to repeat it. Let us hope that we will not have another Vietnam experience and we have learned our lesson. Saigon signing off." - Thomas Polgar, station chief
@@TH-cam_is_full_of_trolls Yes, there are Americans who believe we should've stayed longer, for various reasons. It should be noted, by the way, that victory was possible if the US took the fight to North Vietnam itself (most VC guerillas - distinct from NVA soldiers - just wanted a unified country, they didn't care for communism). The thing standing in the way was Communist China which didn't want a land border with a US ally (especially one they couldn't invade easily, as their war in the 80s would prove). However by that time the Sino-Soviet split occurred and the N. Vietnamese chose to side with the USSR, not the PRC. Nixon had been in negotiations with Mao, and if the US was willing to respond to the 1975 invasion in force, the PRC might've actually allowed an attempt to seize Hanoi to go through - since the USSR was in some ways a greater danger to them then the USA.
@@jeffbenton6183 They could've held off the Viet Cong guerrillas without even touching North Vietnam by establishing a democratic government in South Vietnam, focus bombing efforts on the Ho Chi Minh Trail and other enemy supply lines instead of fruitless scorched earth campaigns like Linebacker II and Rolling Thunder, and focus more on better training the ARVN for counter-insurgency operations, as well as implement the Pheonix Program much earlier.
6:04 when I was younger I watched this episode on Hey Arnold it was a Christmas episode I believe it was about a Vietnamese man who hated Christmas because he had to give up his daughter during the evacuation of Saigon. That part of the video reminds me of that.
My grandpa was a Major in the ARVN. After the fall, he was put in prison as a POW. After my grandpa finished his time, he moved to the USA in 1984. He passed away on December 30, 2020.
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As someone who loves the musical Miss Saigon, I found this so enjoyable, and now have context for the background to that one specific scene in the show. Brilliant video, thank you!
@@princessmarlena1359 Cool. 😎👍 I haven't been the theater in years. Although the last thing I saw there was a ballet, a local production of the Nutcracker. It was pretty awesome. You have to admire the dancer's skills, even Jean Claude Van Damme said that ballet practice beats any martial arts workout as far as difficulty goes. o_O
Compared to this, the Taliban actually gave the retreating forces a breathing room since if they didn't, we'd probably seen those C-130 planes never taking off and exploding by now but the whole thing remains to be seen since it's still unfolding as of now.
The current Taliban is more pragmatic, they clearly wanted to be sort of buffer state of influence game between russia, china, india and US. Especially with their saudi arabia equivalent of Lithium mine and copper.
Multiple rockets were launched at the airport this morning, August 30 2021. The anti-missile system was able to intercept them all and flights have resumed, but the "breathing room" is almost gone.
More like no matter how good your kd ratio. If you dont outdo enemy’s resupply, you cant win. In vietnam, they let NVA gain more and more support, even in the side of saigon, even let VC agents mass infiltrated inside Goverment, some was never discovered, some funnily was not die because of exposed, but die by the separate and a series of coup inside RVN goverment like Pham Ngoc Thao. in afgan, they fail to protect peoples outside of Kabul, let taliban resupply their soldier by force or propaganda or if peoples really understand how disfunctional kabul's goverment whatever it is. american still failed to stop taliban from recover and strike again and again. both Taliban and the man who is the reason why american put their hand on afgan (bin laden) are once was america's pawn, taliban is help established by america to fight a proxy war with soviet, Bin Laden was praised by america 's media for a while. i dont understand what usa upto, they cause more trouble for themself than actually solve 1.
My grandfather was medic huey helicopter pilot and I remember him telling me about how he flew back and forth from the Air Craft carrier both the South Vietnamese and American soldier. He had the chance to flee to the U.S. but he stay behind trying to save as much people he can flying with his buddy. In the end, he was captured for 13 year in reduction camp. He told me other reason why he stay behind is for his family and to protect his church. Now, he is living a healthy live in the U.S
My father was a lieutenant in the ARVN and fought to the bitter end while government officials and high ranking military leaders fled. He was thrown into a re-education camp for 3 years and in 1994 our family was sponsored and brought to the US. When I was 21, I enlisted in the USMC and in 2009 I was deployed to Afghanistan. Now seeing Kabul fall similar to how Saigon fell, but this time as a US Marine, fills me with....I don't know...tragic irony I guess.
Once when I was a high schooler I overheard an airman chatting with his buddy about their opinions on Iraq and Afghanistan, mentioning that Iraq wasn’t worth saving but Afghanistan was. I can only imagine how disappointed he must have been to hear that the Afghan army just laid down their weapons the moment they saw the opposition
@@angkhoanguyen6114 due to vietnam being "one and only" they have no human rights and the news and media is controlled by the government and the government lies to the citizens and the history books are biased and the government blocks anything that says the truth of vietnam
Corruption did exist, no doubt, but it wasn't widespread or rampant. If it had been, they wouldn't have lasted 2 years without the Americans. At least the president (Thieu) stayed until almost the end and only left when Congress forced his resignation thinking they would be able to strike a deal with NVN with him out of the way. The next president (Huong) came and promised to go for broke defending Saigon. He was ousted days later (wonder why!). The last president was chosen because his brother was some high ranked PAVN officer and they hope a deal would be struck. He tried but then the PAVN forced him to announce the unconditional surrender. Corruption did at exist, but at the top level, people were pretty determined to fight.
Post 2011 after Osama was killed then yes, it's extremely similar. The primary reason for AFG was to get rid of Al Qaida and to take out Osama. Once those objectives were completed they should have left in all honesty.
@@sepehrazizi1491 lol, Al Qaida and the Taliban aren't the same. The Taliban didn't carry out 9/11, and the US killed the the leader of the Al Qaida group and the organization is in disarray. Al Qaida hasn't successfully carried out a major terrorist attack on US soil in 20 years, and the orchestrator of 9/11 was brought to justice. But please feel free to call a cow and a dog the same creature. Fools will agree with you and those that know better will be amused by your folly.
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Fall of Saigon and Afghanistan similarities: Western powers leaving. Weapons are left behind. Confidence in friendly native military. Financial aid that is wanted by the government. Enemy forces conquer the capital and country. Mass evacuation by Natives and foreningers alike.
@@k1tsun386 the afghan army was bought by Americans they werent going to fight against there brothers (the taliban rather than America) they refused to shoot or many many joined the taliban
It was? That's impressive. I thought Pearl Harbor was our most embarrassing moment. Saigon was meh. We had been out of that conflict for a whole two years by that point and lost nothing by its fall. Pearl Harbor we had our navy crippled in one night and it took months to recover.
@@KonglomeratYT It all comes down to personal opinions, I guess. But I think Saigon is considered more embarassing because they spent 20 years preventing it but failed, and could only watch despite knowing it would happen. However no one saw Pearl Harbour coming, so it's not as embarassing.
Afghanistan really isn't that embarrassing to the americans since they just used like 5-10% of their military might, Vietnam though they used jets, carriers, tanks, and even implemented a draft but still failed in the end. Also atleast the US actually kicked the taliban out in the 2000's.
@@KonglomeratYT Pearl Harbor wasn't embarrassing. It was a surprise attack with people picking up guns and fighting valiantly and a day to live in infamy. Saigon had film of Americans desperately trying to escape in helicopters on rooftops, and pushing civilians out of the way... THAT is embarrassing.
The Afghans were kinda screwed by the way they were trained - they relied on air support that they no longer had because they were completely dependent on American support to make the aircraft function…
they actually wanted to fight. the afgan army didn't want to fight because they figured someone would always come in to save them, doesn't help that for the majority of the time we were over there we didn't really teach them to do anything we just did it for them.
@@richardcollins9356 ANA: we will fight to the end!!!! *PROCEED TO SURRENDER* some of the ANA members started to work with the Taliban, you can check the news from Al Jazeera.
@@richardcollins9356 No, they never had. Plagged by corruption (in all the political and military spheres), lack of people's support in the villages (because of the government corruption) and failure in logistics, how could they stand against their enemies?
@@artym2000 The officers told that. The regular soldier knew that thy din't even had a chance. Everyone must accept by now. The war is lost. Bush's mission accomplished is an epic failure. Its only natural that they now are helping the Taliban government (Which will more likely to succeed and keep the power for maybe the next 30 years). It's their nation and home, and they need to rebuild it, whoever has the power.
Unpopular republican initiates pull out from a war, comes out of power, their successor completes the withdrawal and gets a bunch of the flak for getting handed the hot potato.
@@matthewbadley5063 and yet your most popular president in election history (with plenty of asterisks) refused to honor any promises. Well it was lost last year when Antifa shouted "Death to America" in one of their many 🔥Mostly 🔥Peaceful 🔥Protests. Well you just might get it. And when that happens I'll be around to watch you suffer, and won't even say told you so.
@@matthewbadley5063 You and the people who liked your comment are of the lowest IQ. The pullout was handled awfully even when Biden extended the deadline for the pullout.Even if Trump didn’t do the pullout deadline Biden was going to pullout anyway as that was a part of his campaign.
@@matthewbadley5063 Ah, you forgot to mention the part where the Potato in Chief ignored the previous administration's agreements, scrapped the original plan (along with it's precautions and requirements), and performed the worst extraction in US history even with extra time.
@@SyndicateSuperman America was kinda out of Afghanistan too, around 2018 (Qatar-Doha Accords), except by some military instructors and few small missions. The History, looking not so deep, repeated itself.
2:56 I love your details on the helmets: “born in the north, dies in the south”. Vietnamese usually don’t use “phương” in this context, its a rare term, they will more likely be using “miền”. But hey, its a nice touch.
A good portion of the south army was formerly north vietnamese, and they were the only enemy the vietcong had a hard time dealing with due to indistinguishable accent.
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Fun Fact:in Return of the Jedi the Forest Moon of Endor and the Ewok’s is a Historical Reference from the Vietnam War the Americans are stormtroopers and the Empire while the Ewoks are the North Vietnamese.
Saigon and an escapee from the Vietnam was a huge unit for me in English. This video really helped me understand things that weren't explained, like why were helicopters plunging themselves into the water.
My grandpa served in Vietnam in the 82nd airborne during the mid to late 60s. He always told me how poorly our boys were treated when they came back home and how upset they were when they heard about the fall of Saigon. All their hard work and sacrifice and all the good men they had lost was all for nothing. And on this date 3 years ago was the day my grandpa passed away. I still wear his tags to honor him and all those who never made it back home. I know for a fact if he had seen the fall of Afghanistan in 2021 he would've had the same response as he did nearly 50 years ago. He would've really felt for these troops and vets. God bless Robert G. Delin 8/7/39-8/28/18 🇺🇸
"Back then, I told people, 'If anyone says that we attacked and captured Saigon without breaking a single light bulb, I will give him a shovel and have him dig the graves of our dead.' During our attack on Saigon, our 2nd Corps lost more than 400 men, so I wonder how people can write such things." - Major General Hoang Dan, 2nd in Command of PAVN 2nd Corps.
Well we can definitely say the ARVN fought hard until the Saigon government ordered them to stop fighting. The Afghan army(except for the Afghan Comandoes) surrendered faster than the French in WW2.
Man, good timing on this one, SimpleHistory 😂 But for real, Vietnam is the one war i do so much reading into. It was our first step into the modern battlefield.
I hope that in the future when people talk about the Vietnam war they spend more time talking about the Southern government military and people Doing so will help people realize that its defeat was inevitable
i hope that in the future when (if) people talk about the Vietnam war they would spend more time talking about the despicable weakness/incompetence/planned fuckup that happened at the Afghanistan "withdrawal" 🤡🌐👍
Nah. S-Vietnam's defeat was not "inevitable". Their being saddled (since Diem) with a hopeless series of especially corrupt and uninspiring politicians did make them losing far more likely though.
@@jimtaylor294 Diem was dead in '63, and surprisingly, he was not the corrupt one. Most of the criticism is about the way he put his family in charge in some positions.
My granddad was a Marine Corps crewchief (pilot) in the Vietnam War, he flew door gunner in a UH-1 Huey as support for the CH-46 Seaknight during the evacuation of Saigon. He flew for two tours in Vietnam and one tour in the First Gulf War. He watched many ships go down, but was lucky enough to stay airborne. my grandfather went down only once with a UH-1 Huey but was able to prevent the crash from being fatal and saved the crew, he was awarded accordingly for his actions.
No it isn't, Biden literally have the Taliban the names of the remaining Americans with green cards there an Afghans who aided us. This is nothing like saigon
My Dad was born in South Vietnam in 1952, which meant that his brothers and himself, by the time he turned 18 would be probably the most intense fighting South Vietnam would face during the entire war. His school friends and neighbours, which were all boys his age were drafted into the army, some were members of the ARVN Rangers, which were like the Special Forces in the army. However, the South Vietnamese Government was extremely corrupt and when my Dad went to enlist at the recruitment office, his papers had said he was too young. Apparently, my grandmother has bribed the officers to stop him from joining the army. My father understood my grandma's decision, considering that almost all his friends were imprisoned or died during the war, including his Ranger friend, only 2 months after seeing him for the last time. My Dad to this day hated the corruption of South Vietnam and insists that if the corruption weren't at the level it was, South Vietnam would still be around. He lived with somewhat of a survivor's guilt as he was really excited to be a door gunner. Being born in Australia in 2002, I'm very young to be as patriotic as I am about South Vietnam but my parents, aunts and uncles all lived through it. My uncle died in prison from a 'stroke' shortly after the end of the war. Our family was very wealthy and that combined with being Chinese-Vietnamese, there was a lot of animosity maybe not officially but by the officials that controlled our region.
@Miguel Cisneros republicans initiated the withdrawal of both South Vietnam and Afghanistan. Also there's not even any communists in afghanistan. But hey, this kind of moronic talking point is what I'd expect from someone who clearly doesn't understand what communism is.
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Kabul is worst then Saigon
Ah Yes Vietnam War
Ak-47 and horten 229 flying wing aircraft videos please?
Undersandble have a great day
“History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme” - Mark Twain
Twas a smart man, my favorite quote by him was always "Never argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Yea definitely not a straight repeat, since the ANA didn't even put up much of a fight. They weren't getting money to feed them and their family so they had no will at all to fight
@@davidgraney3413 I'll apply that wisdom to Twitter from now on!
Nah man its a remix
Who’s REAL name was Samuel Clemens.🤓🤪
Nothing suspicious about the timing here.
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I don't get it
@@IdioticCake Afghanistan pullout mirrored saigon
Nope not at all. Not like the same person who was in gov during this is president now
The most intense video of Simple History this 2021 so far, the video is not only a big part of history but it rhymes on a event currently happening right now.
and More Importantly how it wasn't gonna be like Saigon - President Cornpops
yes
The only difference is: language, environment and type of aircrafts used
Comment section is getting strange this days
@@potato23116 you have no idea
Modern-Day US Presidents: "We will never see a second Saigon.."
Afghanistan: "hold my sandals..."
"hold my donkey.."
Hold my goat
Afghan: I’m about to end this man’s second career
This video is literally too perfectly timed!!!
Laughs in Soviet.
"Hey I've seen this one before!"
"What do you mean? Its brand new."
1.21 gigawatts!!???
“I saw it on a re run”
mandela effect
It's a classic.
@@SamTehman10 “what’s a re run?”
"This is not going to be another Saigon."
"The Afghan Army has a well trained army as good as any country in the world"
"That was four days ago"
- You-Know-Who
If you're referring to Biden, He was lied to.
@@pepperVenge
Joe Biden lied to Joe Biden?
@@Menaceblue3 No. Joe Biden was lied to by the Military Industrial Complex, and the idiots who built the fake Afghan Republic. The only thing holding Afghanistan together from the first Invasion in 2001 to August 15th 2021 was the US Military and its allies. Once enough of them left, it was only a mater of time.
The Afghan Army was a total failure. The recruits had little motivation to defend, instruction was difficult, they could not follow simple orders, illiteracy was high, desertion was common, and very little qualified Afghan leadership could be found.
@@JayRitzy Way to go kiddo. You just figured it all out.
“When evacuating a country, always abandon your most strategic airbase first”- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Lmao
I love how quickly this meme spread 😂😂
Was it actually the “most strategic?”
That’s where this becomes questionable - it sounds like what they need at the airport isn’t more airport, but more planes.
@@Justanotherconsumer more runways mean more planes.
@@Justanotherconsumer you sir don’t know what you are talking about.
The fact that we get free documentaries on TH-cam by Simple History is truly a gift. 👍
Its not free
@@jayo3074 you just watched it.... Without paying...
@@jayo3074 it is free...
Capitalism.
@@shakmp4 its not free...
What’s happening today proves as the old saying goes. “Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”
There's even a saying after that " those who have learned history are doomed to witness a similar history"
Funny things is a lot off people that are still ing government watched this first hand and still managed to ignore the warning signs.
liberals will tell you afghan is nothing like nam
@@m1a1abrams3 Nam was against communists and in the modern day it all worked out, and South Korea worked out, we never should have been in Afghanistan in the first place.
The fall of Afghanistan was very different to that of south Vietnam
“No one thought it would be resolved in just 2 months”
Taliban: those are rookie numbers
Yeah, the ARVN actually tried to put up some resistance unlike the Afghan forces who mostly just fled en masse.
The Taliban become more powerful than ever in a matter of days compared to 20 years ago
@@jodofe4879 because ARVN acutally got paid a fraction of wages they were promaised while afghan forces havent been paid for years under the corrupt puppet government
More 0s?
Taliban: we can do it in 1 and a half weeks.
“The Americans had left an enormous amount of weapons and equipment”
Marty McFly: wait wait I’ve seen this before
And most of them has been used by PAVN. Aircraft, tank and other armored vehicles might been expired but small arm like M16 still use in special force or coastal force, and they also make new M16 based on original because they had like almost 1 million M16 in storage.
Ironically most US allies can't even afford that kind of equipment. But US has no problem giving it for free to their enemies. 👏👏What a great f€cking ally
@OrangeT1cT2c2021 Only some unit keep fighting.The other flee on helicopter,boats and some even bring war ships and military planes to Philippines before seen any enemy units.You can easily find some pictures of Sai Gon at this day and you can see helmets,flak jackets, boots,pants,… even gun thrown everywhere
It's classic bro!
Just a little information: The Long Binh Armory still has a lot of weapons and military equipments not be used even after fighting against rogue Khmer and China.
"Know your history, or be doomed to repeat it."
The trailer of a videogame.
Cold War Trailer Event On Warzone
Afghan Vet: I can't believe it, 2 decades of American sacrifice gone for nothing in less than a month
Vietnam Vet: *1st time?*
The American people wanted to leave. The native governments were corrurpt both times. We are all responsible.
most soldiers in Afghanistan knew this would happen
Not just American sacrifice🇬🇧
I wonder if the people leaving Afghanistan are going to get spat on by Hippies?
Not for nothing they bravely filled the arms contractors pockets and got the politicans votes!
“After 19 years of hard fighting, it’s hard to believe the conflict ended in 2 months”
Ok these comparisons are getting too scarily similer
Yeah
Yeah but the main difference was the Taliban attacked us soil….
@@Caligulashorse1453 when? The Taliban never touched foot on the US
9/11
@@Caligulashorse1453 Al Qaeda attack the US not the taliban
I remember seeing a documentary about how the US learned from Vietnam with an US general explaining what was the difference, how Afghanistan won't end up like a second Vietnam and how their fighting tactics evolved from it... Pretty sure now this documentary is rated as a comedy...
The worst part is that there was an extraction plan. But it was scrapped and/or ignored.
In at least one way, it's good that this happened. Because it wakes some people up to the propaganda that we are fed all the time, and which most people actually believe.
Do you remember by chance the tittle of that documentary you mention or any info that could help me to find it?
We were doing just fine until the Biden administration fucked literally everything
The military learned.
Joe biden didn't
My dad participated in Operation: Frequent Wind. He was on helicopters picking up refugees. He made a few runs to Saigon and back.
My mom was one of those random children evacuated by helicopter. She found her family again 15 years after the war when communications between the US and Vietnam opened up again.
Cảm ơn Hoa kỳ
Cảm ơn Hoa Kỳ đã chiến đấu để chống lại sự lan rộng của cộng sản.
How does he feel like to be a loser?
"History shows again and again, how mankind repeats past follys and failures."
True
Love that song.
Go go Godzilla
It wasn’t a failure.
@oh no ...Okay
Every. Single. Time.
I asked my father how he felt about the US pull out from Afghanistan, he simply said:
“You now know how I felt when we pulled out from Vietnam.”
Was it that we should have never gone and thus never would have had to flee like a predator taking on more than they can chew.
I felt nothing.
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@@jimtroy4380 They have gei tho
10 years from now:
“Fall of KABUL, august 2021”.
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My wife was only about 3 years old when Saigon fell. She does remember being at her grandmas house and hearing machine guns. She also said she remembers someone carrying someone on their back but wasn't sure if that person was dead or not. She was finally able to be sponsored over to the US with her mother and sister by her father (who escaped in '75) when she was about 19.
Sad
Traitor to her country
@@ishrendon6435 Shut up.
@@ishrendon6435😂😂😂😂 poor Communist party
"He who doesn't learn from history is doomed to repeat it." Confucius
I thought that was Kennedy.
No, it was Sun Tzu
@@overmind06 I've read Art of War a few times and don't remember him saying that.
Although I do know someone relevant who repeated the quote:
"This will be the final message from Saigon (CIA) station. It has been a long fight and we have lost...
Those who fail to learn from history are forced to repeat it. Let us hope that we will not have another Vietnam experience and we have learned our lesson.
Saigon signing off."
- Thomas Polgar, CIA station chief, Saigon
April 30, 1975
@@jeffbenton6183 can't learn from history if it isn't taught.
"That was -4 days ago- 46 years ago! C'mon man!"
The moral of the story: don't be corrupt, especially during an active war.
indeed
Lol it's too much of a simplification!
also don't invade countries without a good plan to withdrawal maybe don't put corrupt officials into office, maybe analyze the area your in, maybe give better datelines but sure ya simply don't be corrupt
More like “don’t do imperialism - it never ends well.”
@@historycritic4184 you do have no idea what is the vietnam war ,don't you ?
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
~ Napoleon Bonaparte
If you don't vote for me you ain't black - Joe Biden
Says the guy who invaded russia hahaha
@@mrdoctor3496 yeah, and Russia didn't interrupt him 😂😂
@@mrdoctor3496 Says the guy who legit ruled Europe for a few years
@@mrdoctor3496 says the guy who defeated multiple coalitions until he grew old and tired
It's fascinating that the Fall of Saigon happened exactly 30 years after the Fall of Berlin and Hitler's death in 1945. I guess history really does repeat itself in some ways...
Come on, you and I both know Hitler didnt die in that Bunker.
@@mattharrell3932 nah hes chilling in argentina
@@raptorfromthe6ix833 he died in Argentina like 20 or 30 years ago.
Kind of unrelated, but today, as Ida made landfall in Louisiana, it was 16 years ago to the day that Katrina made landfall there as well.
@@mattharrell3932 No, only you and a couple of illiterates "know" that Hitler didn't die un that bunker.
"There are Decades in which nothing happens and there are Weeks in which Decades happen" - Vladimir Lenin
Can you name your source for that quote it sounds beautiful
@@KaliChernenkov Vladimir Lenin's mouth
@@robbieaulia6462 no I mean like what Book or what speech or article you clearly were not alive in lenins time
"Afghanistan will not be another Saigon!"
*24 hours later...*
Now the communsit invade sai gon one again,they send the military to suppress any revolt,and the people here is staving because of the lockdown,and all the people in ho chi minh city run back to their home town in a mass migration
They government trying to use ak47 to shoot corona
Ikr? Afghan looks like another RVN there
Now the quarantine center is like a concentration camp,like the reeducation camp after the war
The man who said that was a senator in Congress at this time Saigon fell. I'm confident he learned from the past... Totally confident.
“We do a little trolling today”
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No it's hitler biggest trolling in history
@@THEBIGGAME683 No it's saigon 2.0 biggest trolling today.
@@THEBIGGAME683 he says that because they post while fall of tabul Afghanistan
We keep our tomfoolery to a minimum
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My grandfather Ronald Foster, was in the seals during operation frequent wind, he received 2 purple hearts and a white cross. He sadly passed away 2 weeks ago from battling leukemia. RIP the bravest yet most gentle man I ever knew
That scene of Chinook helicopter lifting US ambassy staff from Siagon was ironically repeated in the very much same manner in Kabul US ambassy.
Biden: "There's gonna be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy of the United States from Afghanistan.
I've heard (not 100% sure) that it was literally the same Chinook helicopter in Kabul that was used in siagon.
@@thecowboy8474 that sounds too coincidencential
@@thecowboy8474
Impossible no way lmao
I thought it was CH-46 sea knight
“The Evacuation was code named Frequent Wind” Far too frequent lol
Ewwww, Marxist commie trash
at least there wasnt a order 227 for american troops lol
@@niceshirt7633 No instead they kill anyone over the age of 13 and male and classify them a “combatants.”
"Boy, I'm sure glad Vietnam is over!"
October 7th, 2001: "Wanna see it again?"
True
Vietnam: 19 years and fell within 2 months
Afghanistan: Hold my Beer
*20 Years later and fell within 2 weeks*
@@youwouldntclickalinkonyout6236 not two months two years
Vietnam was a much deadlier war than Afghanistan
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My grandfather was a Major of the ARVN. After April 30th incident, he was forced to what the gov called "re-education" camp for 10 years and luckily came back home survived. However, he always refuses to tell most of the things he experienced during that time.
Just like in Hanoi Hilton is it?
"Us soldiers left weapons to its allies after evacuating from the area" ...why do i feel like i heard that recently
I know right? It’s so weird
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At leat the avrn USED THEM!!! And not surrendered like cowerds within 2 weeks it tock the nva 2 years to take south veitnam with avrn haveing no us support and Afghanistan having all the support even drones 4ft Asian with a croupt president and no us support and fought an enemy how had tanks and jets fought harder then middle easterns with all 🇺🇸 support and a good goverment that was less croupt and an enemy that only has trucks with machine guns avrn 2 years Afghanistan 2 weeks wow
Very SUS 👓
There’s a difference between Vietnam and Afghanistan, when the US pulled out of vietnam in 1973, the south Vietnamese had a trained army that at least held their ground and fought the Vietcong for *2 WHOLE YEARS* before the war ended in April 1975
As soon as the US rage quit on Afghanistan, so did the afghan army
Yeah that's because at this point the US had improved the tactic. we can do it allot faster now.
@@marth8000 they can quit a lot faster 💀
I like the cut of this guy's jib
and they stood against an army backed by china and russia
@@thecommentguy9380 just Russia, China sat this one out because of their historical dominance of Vietnam plus the Sino-Soviet split and China would invade Vietnam after an unified Vietnam would invade Cambodia to topple the Khmer Rouge
Vietnam: "Prepare for trouble!"
Afghanistan: "Make it double!"
@Miguel Cisneros the Democrats and the Republicans are both in the pockets of corporations, there needs to be a new system
Vietnam "to protect the world from western aggression"
Afganistan "to unite all people in our Arab nation
@@outermiddlegamer2591 that system is socalism
@Miguel Cisneros capitalists poision everything*
Team America is blasting off again
I was part of Operation Frequent Wind aboard USS Midway. I'll never forget the sight of a skyful of helos desperate to land on the flightdeck. A sad end to a failed nation building effort. Kabul only brings back a repeat of the same folly.
Damn you have seen stuff
Vietnam wasnt nation build its only objective was to not let the communist takeover it didnt matter after that if the country went another direction like a dictatorship . As long as the communists didnt win the US supported horrific dictators that suppresed communist movements
At least it is not like north and south Korea. A nation divided...
"Nation building".That's the most ironic statement if I've ever heard one.
The nation building is the task of the natives, not outlanders.
"The more the things change, the more they stay the same"
Humiliating defeat in Afghanistan tells us that US learned nothing from Vietnam.
The trouble was, while in the first Gulf war, the most TV-friendly commanders, to a man Vietnam vets, knew enough to have an exit strategy in place before even going in, the Draft Dodging Fake Texan Son of Another Fake Texan had none of that experience and therefore none of that simple common sense. (Don't forget Dubbyah was born in CT and his dad in Mass.).
Well they did take conscription off so at least every US casualty was voluntary...
More like a lack of showing up
The military learned, they advised to Biden that pulling out from Afghanistan would be disaster, but Biden didn’t listen and pulled out anyways. Our military has learned, but our government and congress did not.
Well, what do you want us to do? Be civil and "modern" try to explain civil liberties to a people that blow themselves up and cut off heads? Or do we revert back to what worked in the past? Mass executions of suspected POWS, strip them naked, take no prisoners. I mean we cant win because either way you cut the cake, someone is gonna make a fuss about it
"Vietnam was the first war ever fought without any censorship. Without censorship, things can get terribly confused in the public mind" -William Westmoreland
Scary thought: if World War 2 hadn't been censored, would the Nazis have won?
So we had Pinko Cronkite pretty much lying every night
@@JacF6734 Wdym, how would they win?
@@JacF6734censorship doesn’t change anything, it just… well censores information
@@JacF6734 no but I think Westmoreland meant controlling the narrative. During WWII the government release a series of films called “Why We Fight” to first motivate the troops and to explain why the US in the war. The message: We got some evil empires out there and if we don’t stop them the world is screwed.
There wasn’t anything similar messaging for Vietnam oof Afghanistan or Iraq. Just vague notions of stopping Communism or terrorism in countries most people couldn’t find on the map at the time.
"This will be the final message from Saigon (CIA) station. It has been a long fight and we have lost...
Those who fail to learn from history are forced to repeat it. Let us hope that we will not have another Vietnam experience and we have learned our lesson.
Saigon signing off."
- Thomas Polgar, station chief
And they didn't even learn
@@whitezombie10 they did learnt but Afghanistan was too fierce
U.S( Oh no, Anyway.)
“Well, about that, Thomas..”
His descendant : i learn nothing :))
"History repeats itself, but in such cunning disguise that we never detect the resemblance until the damage is done." -Sydney J. Harris
And eventually we all saw a repeat of history. The fall of Kabul, Afghanistan
Facts
Probably in our lifetimes
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@@xx_insert_cool_username_he6876 probably in our lifetimes? dude, it just happened.
@@xx_insert_cool_username_he6876 it’s happening as we watch
dont blame me i voted Trump
Can’t wait for simple history to do “Fall of Kabul” in 10 years time
Or the potential "Fall of Baghdad"
@@tomaszzalewski4541 that most probably won't be
For the following reasons
Their Army's morale
Superior Leadership
No one absolutely no one likes Daesh
I caught TH-cam trying to shadow ban this comment.
@@tomaszzalewski4541 Didn't it fall in 2003?
HAHAHAHAHAHA
The ARVN held out longer than the Afghans and made it possible for mass evacuations.
Not really. The PAVN agreed to halt their assaults and bombardments for the evacuate operation. Battle resume when the last American chopper has evacuated.
@@mr.monhon5179 Isn't there still some sort of agreement like that between the US and the Taliban? Well just the airport in this case
@@googane7755 the taliban dont hate Americans like the media shows they respected Americans and gave them more time to evacuate as a result.
@@ishrendon6435 They do, but they hate ISIS more. They also want to have a functioning country after this is all over and rather not be a global pariah.
At least they fought for their nation. Afghans didn't give an f
"Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it" ~ George Santayana.
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@@tttbbbeee yeah
@@myles3856 yes
And now, since we don't learn from history, we are seeing it happen again.
"Those who dont learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Well youtube hate history content, they keep banning and demotize every history channels in youtube, so youtube is the doomed one who want to repeat the war.
We were calling this the Neocon Vietnam for over 15 years now.
@@absolutfreeman1033 Tipical american media then
My dad always told me history repeats itself, and it always, always does
' History don't repeat itself the same . It often rhymes in a similar way '
- Mark Twain
"No, the cycle ends here. We must be better than this" - Kratos
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My Dad used to say nothing ever changes except the numbers on the calendar. Stuff like this just proves he was a heck of a lot smarter than I gave him credit for.
As a Vietnamese, i am quite impressed of how accurate this video is. The time and events are accurate. Vietnam and the US had been enemies for more than 30 years and both bared unmeasurable losses and grief. The wound made by the war still exists to this day. But we Vietnamese are resilient. We stand up and move on. We never want to be hostile against the US either before or now. I hope that we can be friends in many fields including the digital world like TH-cam.
As for the Kabul evacuation, it is somewhat similar yet quite different from the fall of Saigon (i will not explain how similar and different they are cuz that would be very long). I don't know what u guys feel about US troops in Afghanistan, but my point of view is the retreat from Afghan is a wise decision of the US. Why make a bloodshed for nothing in a foreign country? And American people will no longer see their sons/ husbands,/dads/ friends go to war and might never see 'em again. It's their country, they must deal with the problems themseves. As for the Ta.li.ban, if they are truly evil, the Afghan people will stand up and fight, just like the Vietnamese or any other people would do for their homes. But now, we will have to wait and time will tell the truth
Hey u from the north or the south of vietnam ?
@@ohhello3037 lol this is not Korea XD
@@khanhshiroshi8700 I know that. but in vietnam the south and the north speak different accents, different traditional customs, different interests…and there are many different things. Up to now, regional discrimination in Vietnam is also a problem. Because the southerners used to be capitalists and the northerners were communists, their views on the Vietnam war were completely opposite.
@@ohhello3037 lol ye in Vietnam this is still a problem but you don't need to ask him whether he is south or north tho. Vietnam right now is a unified county it's really doesn't matter which places you are born from, you and I we both from the same county so why discriminate each other and judge people base on their whereabouts right ?
@Yang Wen Li lol sound like you have issues brub :v
1975: “what a horrible failure of foreign policy, I hope we learn from this so it happens never again!”
2021: “don’t count on it”
Lol this was the best policy we made in over a decade at that point - so is this... you seriously think people in America argue that we should have stayed in Vietnam longer these days?
"This will be the final message from Saigon (CIA) station. It has been a long fight and we have lost...
Those who fail to learn from history are forced to repeat it. Let us hope that we will not have another Vietnam experience and we have learned our lesson.
Saigon signing off."
- Thomas Polgar, station chief
@@TH-cam_is_full_of_trolls Yes, there are Americans who believe we should've stayed longer, for various reasons.
It should be noted, by the way, that victory was possible if the US took the fight to North Vietnam itself (most VC guerillas - distinct from NVA soldiers - just wanted a unified country, they didn't care for communism). The thing standing in the way was Communist China which didn't want a land border with a US ally (especially one they couldn't invade easily, as their war in the 80s would prove). However by that time the Sino-Soviet split occurred and the N. Vietnamese chose to side with the USSR, not the PRC. Nixon had been in negotiations with Mao, and if the US was willing to respond to the 1975 invasion in force, the PRC might've actually allowed an attempt to seize Hanoi to go through - since the USSR was in some ways a greater danger to them then the USA.
@@jeffbenton6183 where are they? Cheney? Rumsfeld? Maybe 3% of the population if polled would say, "yes we should have been in Vietnam longer"
@@jeffbenton6183 They could've held off the Viet Cong guerrillas without even touching North Vietnam by establishing a democratic government in South Vietnam, focus bombing efforts on the Ho Chi Minh Trail and other enemy supply lines instead of fruitless scorched earth campaigns like Linebacker II and Rolling Thunder, and focus more on better training the ARVN for counter-insurgency operations, as well as implement the Pheonix Program much earlier.
6:04 when I was younger I watched this episode on Hey Arnold it was a Christmas episode I believe it was about a Vietnamese man who hated Christmas because he had to give up his daughter during the evacuation of Saigon. That part of the video reminds me of that.
I was thinking the same thing. I was too young to really understand the context but now that episode hits harder
@@Zymemaru Yeah I didn’t understand it until I was older.
I remember that episode. It was hard to watch
*A few decades later*
History: Did it happen?
USA: Yes.
History: What did we learn?
USA: Nothing!
History: and you got punished, because history can't be ignored and forgotten, or it will come back!
As always. Literally every large power repeats in some way history. Whether it's China, US or Russia - it ain't new
I say this as an American and the son of a Vietnam vet: AMERICA DOESN'T LEARN!
@@stephenwright8824 no one learns these days
@@tomaszzalewski4541 yeah Germany repeated ww 2 times
My grandpa was a Major in the ARVN. After the fall, he was put in prison as a POW. After my grandpa finished his time, he moved to the USA in 1984. He passed away on December 30, 2020.
dù ông của bạn là 3 que nhưng chia buồn nha;((
@@aimuahanhk3123 chuẩn ng ae
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Long Live South Vietnam💛❤💛🔰
“Timing matters,”.
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I hope that simple history survives for another decade or two that way I get to watch the fall of Kabul in this animation style.
Just watch this again but imagine that the green parts are brown. :)
@@Rationalific :(
There is actually already a video on it lmao
m.th-cam.com/video/xSWXWKEfLro/w-d-xo.html
@@Rationalific 😂
you are acting like simple history would run out of content
As someone who loves the musical Miss Saigon, I found this so enjoyable, and now have context for the background to that one specific scene in the show. Brilliant video, thank you!
You have a good memory. I saw it years ago, at a theater, when I was kid.
My dad tortured me with that musical.
@@ragingjaguarknight86 me too
@@princessmarlena1359 Cool. 😎👍 I haven't been the theater in years. Although the last thing I saw there was a ballet, a local production of the Nutcracker. It was pretty awesome. You have to admire the dancer's skills, even Jean Claude Van Damme said that ballet practice beats any martial arts workout as far as difficulty goes. o_O
“How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?!”
Compared to this, the Taliban actually gave the retreating forces a breathing room since if they didn't, we'd probably seen those C-130 planes never taking off and exploding by now but the whole thing remains to be seen since it's still unfolding as of now.
The current Taliban is more pragmatic, they clearly wanted to be sort of buffer state of influence game between russia, china, india and US. Especially with their saudi arabia equivalent of Lithium mine and copper.
There's also the complication of a third belligerent ISIS-K, which is at war with both sides.
@@jeffbenton6183 so they’re EBK 🤔
Multiple rockets were launched at the airport this morning, August 30 2021. The anti-missile system was able to intercept them all and flights have resumed, but the "breathing room" is almost gone.
@@xkavarsmith9322
In other words,
The US is about a month out of time
"Resolved in two months"
Afghanistan: I can do that in two weeks
You cannot defeat an enemy who is willing to take unimaginable losses
Unless that enemy is Germany, or Japan, or China or literally any other great army in history that was willing to take a lot of losses
Correction: you can’t defeat an enemy with an infinite interest in its home region via unconventional warfare.
More like no matter how good your kd ratio. If you dont outdo enemy’s resupply, you cant win.
In vietnam, they let NVA gain more and more support, even in the side of saigon, even let VC agents mass infiltrated inside Goverment, some was never discovered, some funnily was not die because of exposed, but die by the separate and a series of coup inside RVN goverment like Pham Ngoc Thao.
in afgan, they fail to protect peoples outside of Kabul, let taliban resupply their soldier by force or propaganda or if peoples really understand how disfunctional kabul's goverment whatever it is. american still failed to stop taliban from recover and strike again and again.
both Taliban and the man who is the reason why american put their hand on afgan (bin laden) are once was america's pawn, taliban is help established by america to fight a proxy war with soviet, Bin Laden was praised by america 's media for a while. i dont understand what usa upto, they cause more trouble for themself than actually solve 1.
@@historycritic4184 the government isnt the people though
@@gamesnig wait what r u saying?
Victory is reserved for those who are willing to pay its price. - Sun Tzu
My grandfather was medic huey helicopter pilot and I remember him telling me about how he flew back and forth from the Air Craft carrier both the South Vietnamese and American soldier. He had the chance to flee to the U.S. but he stay behind trying to save as much people he can flying with his buddy. In the end, he was captured for 13 year in reduction camp. He told me other reason why he stay behind is for his family and to protect his church. Now, he is living a healthy live in the U.S
Respect those who dared to stay and fight for the country and people
Respect for the old man
God bless your grandpa.
Respect
My father was a lieutenant in the ARVN and fought to the bitter end while government officials and high ranking military leaders fled. He was thrown into a re-education camp for 3 years and in 1994 our family was sponsored and brought to the US. When I was 21, I enlisted in the USMC and in 2009 I was deployed to Afghanistan. Now seeing Kabul fall similar to how Saigon fell, but this time as a US Marine, fills me with....I don't know...tragic irony I guess.
Once when I was a high schooler I overheard an airman chatting with his buddy about their opinions on Iraq and Afghanistan, mentioning that Iraq wasn’t worth saving but Afghanistan was. I can only imagine how disappointed he must have been to hear that the Afghan army just laid down their weapons the moment they saw the opposition
Semper Fi brother.
Usa’s karma for messing with other nations, long live vietnam
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@@angkhoanguyen6114 due to vietnam being "one and only" they have no human rights and the news and media is controlled by the government and the government lies to the citizens and the history books are biased and the government blocks anything that says the truth of vietnam
"Its advantage is rendered meaningless by the fact the Government was Weak and Corrupt."
Now where have we heard of this before? Hmmmmmmm.
At least in Vietnam we had some clue what we were doing there.
Afghanistan was worse.
Corruption did exist, no doubt, but it wasn't widespread or rampant. If it had been, they wouldn't have lasted 2 years without the Americans. At least the president (Thieu) stayed until almost the end and only left when Congress forced his resignation thinking they would be able to strike a deal with NVN with him out of the way. The next president (Huong) came and promised to go for broke defending Saigon. He was ousted days later (wonder why!). The last president was chosen because his brother was some high ranked PAVN officer and they hope a deal would be struck. He tried but then the PAVN forced him to announce the unconditional surrender. Corruption did at exist, but at the top level, people were pretty determined to fight.
To be fair... is there ever such thing as a government that isn't weak and corrupt? The best you will get is 1 out of 2 if you are lucky...
you can literally change the "Saigon" to "Afghanistan" and upload it again nobody would notice
Except no american was abandoned in saigon
@@Cabbage22927 Actually, you need to do some more research. There was people who were left behind. Please re view the video over again .
Post 2011 after Osama was killed then yes, it's extremely similar. The primary reason for AFG was to get rid of Al Qaida and to take out Osama. Once those objectives were completed they should have left in all honesty.
@@Extremeredfox well Al Qaida and Taliban are back more powerful than ever so mission failed miserably
@@sepehrazizi1491 lol, Al Qaida and the Taliban aren't the same. The Taliban didn't carry out 9/11, and the US killed the the leader of the Al Qaida group and the organization is in disarray. Al Qaida hasn't successfully carried out a major terrorist attack on US soil in 20 years, and the orchestrator of 9/11 was brought to justice. But please feel free to call a cow and a dog the same creature. Fools will agree with you and those that know better will be amused by your folly.
“ bruh the US really has a second Vietnam “
- Sun Tzu, art of war
That's not a real quote.
@@vaterix4202 it is. Sun Tzu was familiar with jungle warfare
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@@vaterix4202 it is... its what sun tzu said
@@vaterix4202
He said it.
Funny how this casually drops after the Afghanistan situation.
They knew what they are doing cuz it rhymes.
After?
Fall of Saigon and Afghanistan similarities: Western powers leaving. Weapons are left behind.
Confidence in friendly native military.
Financial aid that is wanted by the government.
Enemy forces conquer the capital and country.
Mass evacuation by Natives and foreningers alike.
and some difference, like no negotiation with north vietnam
i'd hold all fleet of b52 ready to level saigon after the "victory"
The only difference is that the ARVN held their ground
@@k1tsun386 the afghan army was bought by Americans they werent going to fight against there brothers (the taliban rather than America) they refused to shoot or many many joined the taliban
(July 2020): "The fall of Saigon was the most embarrassing moment for the United States in it's history."
Biden: "Hold my depends..."
It was? That's impressive. I thought Pearl Harbor was our most embarrassing moment. Saigon was meh. We had been out of that conflict for a whole two years by that point and lost nothing by its fall. Pearl Harbor we had our navy crippled in one night and it took months to recover.
@@KonglomeratYT It all comes down to personal opinions, I guess. But I think Saigon is considered more embarassing because they spent 20 years preventing it but failed, and could only watch despite knowing it would happen. However no one saw Pearl Harbour coming, so it's not as embarassing.
Afghanistan really isn't that embarrassing to the americans since they just used like 5-10% of their military might, Vietnam though they used jets, carriers, tanks, and even implemented a draft but still failed in the end. Also atleast the US actually kicked the taliban out in the 2000's.
@@KonglomeratYT Pearl Harbor wasn't embarrassing. It was a surprise attack with people picking up guns and fighting valiantly and a day to live in infamy. Saigon had film of Americans desperately trying to escape in helicopters on rooftops, and pushing civilians out of the way... THAT is embarrassing.
@@carl4243 bruh the american government used 2 trillion dollars in afghanistan and yet they still lose i would call that an embarassment
This episode has exceptionally good animation
You know what's the difference between ARVN and the afghan army?
ARVN at least put up resistance
And the ARVN would’ve fought for longer if they hadn’t been ordered to surrender smh
@@KingOfKingize and would've holded out for the situation to turn out like N. Korea and S. Korea if their government wasn't corrupt
The Afghans were kinda screwed by the way they were trained - they relied on air support that they no longer had because they were completely dependent on American support to make the aircraft function…
they actually wanted to fight. the afgan army didn't want to fight because they figured someone would always come in to save them, doesn't help that for the majority of the time we were over there we didn't really teach them to do anything we just did it for them.
Somehow the afghan government was even more corrupt than the south vietmamese
“History never repeats itself, but it does often rhyme.”
"Those bastards lied to me"
- The Afghan army probably
The Afghan army had their chance
@@richardcollins9356 *chance to surrender*
@@richardcollins9356 ANA: we will fight to the end!!!!
*PROCEED TO SURRENDER*
some of the ANA members started to work with the Taliban, you can check the news from Al Jazeera.
@@richardcollins9356 No, they never had. Plagged by corruption (in all the political and military spheres), lack of people's support in the villages (because of the government corruption) and failure in logistics, how could they stand against their enemies?
@@artym2000 The officers told that. The regular soldier knew that thy din't even had a chance.
Everyone must accept by now. The war is lost. Bush's mission accomplished is an epic failure.
Its only natural that they now are helping the Taliban government (Which will more likely to succeed and keep the power for maybe the next 30 years). It's their nation and home, and they need to rebuild it, whoever has the power.
Some US President: “Nobody ever landed a helicopter on the roof of the embassy in Saigon.”
I'll take president potato for 1000
Gerald Ford: Prepare for trouble.
Joe Biden: And make it double.
Unpopular republican initiates pull out from a war, comes out of power, their successor completes the withdrawal and gets a bunch of the flak for getting handed the hot potato.
@@matthewbadley5063 and yet your most popular president in election history (with plenty of asterisks) refused to honor any promises.
Well it was lost last year when Antifa shouted "Death to America" in one of their many 🔥Mostly 🔥Peaceful 🔥Protests.
Well you just might get it. And when that happens I'll be around to watch you suffer, and won't even say told you so.
@@Marinealver lmao, I don't bother engaging with people living in an alternate reality.
@@matthewbadley5063 You and the people who liked your comment are of the lowest IQ. The pullout was handled awfully even when Biden extended the deadline for the pullout.Even if Trump didn’t do the pullout deadline Biden was going to pullout anyway as that was a part of his campaign.
@@matthewbadley5063 Ah, you forgot to mention the part where the Potato in Chief ignored the previous administration's agreements, scrapped the original plan (along with it's precautions and requirements), and performed the worst extraction in US history even with extra time.
"Lmao gotem."
- General Vo Nguyen Giap
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@@counter-terrordoge3335 WHAAAAAT?
NOOOOOO, REAAALLLY?
@@nana-by8qc no
as a vietnamese thats fucking funny af
America in Vietnam 1975: Nooo, *WE LOST THE WAR!*
(46 years later)
America in Afghanistan 2021: Oh no, *NOT AGAIN!*
America was out of the fighting by 1973 (Paris Peace Accords).
“We are evolving. Just backwards”
@@SyndicateSuperman America was kinda out of Afghanistan too, around 2018 (Qatar-Doha Accords), except by some military instructors and few small missions. The History, looking not so deep, repeated itself.
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I love your details on the helmets: “born in the north, dies in the south”.
Vietnamese usually don’t use “phương” in this context, its a rare term, they will more likely be using “miền”. But hey, its a nice touch.
A good portion of the south army was formerly north vietnamese, and they were the only enemy the vietcong had a hard time dealing with due to indistinguishable accent.
@@thecommentguy9380 The Viet Cong were until 1968 majority southerners, I think you mean the PAVN.
The original term was “Sinh Bắc Tử Nam”
@@thecommentguy9380 that isnt true vietcong were mainly rural southerners that worked along with the NVA
@@thecommentguy9380While the most portion of Viet Cong are South Vietnamese.
How fitting since we’re going through Saigon 2.0 right now with Kabul.
Given that we fought the entire war making the same mistakes as Vietnam, why change now?
"It's like poetry, they rhyme."
- George Lucas
"Hopefully it'll work."
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Fun Fact:in Return of the Jedi the Forest Moon of Endor and the Ewok’s is a Historical Reference from the Vietnam War the Americans are stormtroopers and the Empire while the Ewoks are the North Vietnamese.
Saigon and an escapee from the Vietnam was a huge unit for me in English. This video really helped me understand things that weren't explained, like why were helicopters plunging themselves into the water.
Simply History really rubbing salt in the wound with this timing
Painful lessons are all the more memorable and easy to remember.
The Americans never learned do they?
My grandpa served in Vietnam in the 82nd airborne during the mid to late 60s. He always told me how poorly our boys were treated when they came back home and how upset they were when they heard about the fall of Saigon. All their hard work and sacrifice and all the good men they had lost was all for nothing. And on this date 3 years ago was the day my grandpa passed away. I still wear his tags to honor him and all those who never made it back home. I know for a fact if he had seen the fall of Afghanistan in 2021 he would've had the same response as he did nearly 50 years ago. He would've really felt for these troops and vets. God bless Robert G. Delin 8/7/39-8/28/18 🇺🇸
"Back then, I told people, 'If anyone says that we attacked and captured Saigon without breaking a single light bulb, I will give him a shovel and have him dig the graves of our dead.' During our attack on Saigon, our 2nd Corps lost more than 400 men, so I wonder how people can write such things."
- Major General Hoang Dan, 2nd in Command of PAVN 2nd Corps.
USA always have been big in propaganda.
Well we can definitely say the ARVN fought hard until the Saigon government ordered them to stop fighting. The Afghan army(except for the Afghan Comandoes) surrendered faster than the French in WW2.
Man, good timing on this one, SimpleHistory 😂
But for real, Vietnam is the one war i do so much reading into. It was our first step into the modern battlefield.
I like how everyone is talking about Afghanistan rather than Saigon😂
well i mean at this point the two are one in the same
It's because we all know why Simple History put this video up.
@@dylancasey1702 Afghanistan is worse. Way worse. It’s not over yet...
@@xCrimsonxTidex true
@@xCrimsonxTidex yep, there are still resistance in the north
I hope that in the future when people talk about the Vietnam war they spend more time talking about the Southern government military and people
Doing so will help people realize that its defeat was inevitable
i hope that in the future when (if) people talk about the Vietnam war they would spend more time talking about the despicable weakness/incompetence/planned fuckup that happened at the Afghanistan "withdrawal" 🤡🌐👍
@@JK-dv3qe shhh, this is the land of the "free" and home of the "brave".
Nah. S-Vietnam's defeat was not "inevitable". Their being saddled (since Diem) with a hopeless series of especially corrupt and uninspiring politicians did make them losing far more likely though.
@@jimtaylor294 Diem was dead in '63, and surprisingly, he was not the corrupt one. Most of the criticism is about the way he put his family in charge in some positions.
Same with Afghanistan and there government.
USA to South Vietnam in 1975: You're on your own pal
USA to Afghanistan in 2021: You're on your own pal
Nva: it's free real estate
Taliban: it's free real estate
USA to Taiwan in 2021?: Your on your own pal
@@friedrichdergrosse7439 that one makes me the saddest 😢
If US had lost the korean war, they would have said the same for seoul and syngman rhee.
@@friedrichdergrosse7439 Man, if USA does abandon Taiwan, then they would lose any face they had left.
And now we have a Saigon II: The Sequel!
LOL!
Impeccable Timing, As Always
“We do a little trolling.” - Simple History
They are not trolling, they really make this video cuz of the event that is happing right now and it rhymes.
My granddad was a Marine Corps crewchief (pilot) in the Vietnam War, he flew door gunner in a UH-1 Huey as support for the CH-46 Seaknight during the evacuation of Saigon. He flew for two tours in Vietnam and one tour in the First Gulf War. He watched many ships go down, but was lucky enough to stay airborne. my grandfather went down only once with a UH-1 Huey but was able to prevent the crash from being fatal and saved the crew, he was awarded accordingly for his actions.
Some people: Something like this will never happen again in the future.
Afghanistan: *Hold my turban*
Taliban: you better put that damn turban back on >n>
It's exactly what's happened in Afghanistan. Here we go again. Again.
Its worse
No it isn't, Biden literally have the Taliban the names of the remaining Americans with green cards there an Afghans who aided us. This is nothing like saigon
South Vietnam put up a fight for two months. The Afghanistan Army just gave up completely without a fight.
Biden: "There's gonna be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy of the United States from Afghanistan.
@@MavHunter20XX In what terms? The evacuation is going much more smoothly than Saigon.
The timing of upload is absolutely perfect, even a bit sus.
My last college professor was on one of these last choppers in 1975. Was a missionary there - what a story.
*Taliban and now we’d like to thank our sponsors, American Taxpayers.*
Pretty much lol… No wonder they don’t mind us being there.
I wonder who elected the politicians that wastes US taxpayers money?
Us still didn't learned what they do
@@iuyfshfiey3105 aw that's cute. Nice try, A for effort!
@@iuyfshfiey3105 us try best next times to learned what us did! How's that? How did I do??
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Very underrated comment.
My Dad was born in South Vietnam in 1952, which meant that his brothers and himself, by the time he turned 18 would be probably the most intense fighting South Vietnam would face during the entire war. His school friends and neighbours, which were all boys his age were drafted into the army, some were members of the ARVN Rangers, which were like the Special Forces in the army. However, the South Vietnamese Government was extremely corrupt and when my Dad went to enlist at the recruitment office, his papers had said he was too young. Apparently, my grandmother has bribed the officers to stop him from joining the army. My father understood my grandma's decision, considering that almost all his friends were imprisoned or died during the war, including his Ranger friend, only 2 months after seeing him for the last time.
My Dad to this day hated the corruption of South Vietnam and insists that if the corruption weren't at the level it was, South Vietnam would still be around. He lived with somewhat of a survivor's guilt as he was really excited to be a door gunner. Being born in Australia in 2002, I'm very young to be as patriotic as I am about South Vietnam but my parents, aunts and uncles all lived through it. My uncle died in prison from a 'stroke' shortly after the end of the war. Our family was very wealthy and that combined with being Chinese-Vietnamese, there was a lot of animosity maybe not officially but by the officials that controlled our region.
It would be interesting knowing about your parent's perspective about Vietnam today.
So will you go back to homeland?
US troops leaving Vietnam in 1973:
"IT'S NOT WORTH IT IT'S JUST NOT WORTH IT, goodbye everyone I'll remember all of you in therapy!"
@Miguel Cisneros "Tell me you're historically illiterate without telling me you're historically illiterate"
@Miguel Cisneros He's not my president, but ok. I also do like communism, but probably not the version you think it is.
@Miguel Cisneros republicans initiated the withdrawal of both South Vietnam and Afghanistan.
Also there's not even any communists in afghanistan. But hey, this kind of moronic talking point is what I'd expect from someone who clearly doesn't understand what communism is.
Can I have the Krabby Patty secret formula?
@Miguel Cisneros There are tons of documentaries describing the horrors and crimes of "US", too!