The Harry Potter Films Making Hermione Perfect & Ron Suck For 15 Minutes

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  • @MovieFlame
    @MovieFlame  ปีที่แล้ว +1064

    By the way at 6:05 this was the only film not written by Steve Kloves. It was written Michael Goldenberg, hence the love Ron got here. Don't give Kloves credit for that lol

    • @alibabapirce9782
      @alibabapirce9782 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      jets just be happy that they kept all calm scenes

    • @Ollie.H-2301
      @Ollie.H-2301 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I think Ron's best movie was Chamber Of Secrets

    • @tommoore2012
      @tommoore2012 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@Ollie.H-2301 probably killed Steve to not be able to give any of the glory of defeating the Basilisk to Hermione

    • @itzmia2368
      @itzmia2368 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      5th movie was my favorite

    • @violentends
      @violentends ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@likecascade7015 i don’t think he had anything against the weasleys but i think he just shipped harry and hermione together and wanted ron to seem stupid because of that

  • @Emma-ex8gx
    @Emma-ex8gx ปีที่แล้ว +2474

    It's annoying that they made Ron not know anything, when he's been brought up in the magical world so he should know more

    • @grahamdamberger7130
      @grahamdamberger7130 ปีที่แล้ว +204

      While Hermione knows everything despite being born to Muggles.

    • @X-Horizon-24
      @X-Horizon-24 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      @@grahamdamberger7130 true makes no sense at all

    • @austinburras2993
      @austinburras2993 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@X-Horizon-24 Actually it makes perfect sense Hermione was the one that was always studying and learning ron a slacker

    • @maxonite
      @maxonite ปีที่แล้ว +187

      @@austinburras2993 Studying can only teach you so much about compared to growing up in the world. That’s why she failed to think of making fire without wood in the first book and why Harry was better at dueling. Booksmarts can’t replace experience.

    • @gordonchard6243
      @gordonchard6243 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      She's basically a know it all young girl and the book writing often shows her book smarts often comes into conflicts with events or things she presumes can't be right, such as the room of requirement. Both Harry and Ron are supposed to be really smart wizards but they both are made to look stupid in her presence. Ron is left with nothing but comic relief as Harry at least is the hero.

  • @nont18411
    @nont18411 ปีที่แล้ว +972

    Kudos to Rupert Grint for manage to make Ron still likable and compelling despite the script going against him.
    That’s why I consider him the best actor out of the three.

    • @VEZ30
      @VEZ30 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      Completely agree he did everything he could with the script.

    • @sk8r1049
      @sk8r1049 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      his facial expressions r goated

    • @OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO
      @OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Yes!

    • @SJ-di5zu
      @SJ-di5zu 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      Same. Sometimes in the movies it feels like there’s so few moments where Ron is even acknowledged to be real friends with Harry and Hermione, but Rupert really made the most of those few moments.

    • @mark9294
      @mark9294 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I agree. He was the best actor of the trio and the most perfectly cast for his role

  • @plamiguha4263
    @plamiguha4263 ปีที่แล้ว +2359

    I'll never forgive the movies for not giving Ron the spotlight he deserved in the Prisoner of Azkaban, in the scene when they are in the shrieking shak and , Ron was supposed to stand up for Harry (literally) and protect him from Sirius but in the movies they changed it to Hermione

    • @MaccaveliPL
      @MaccaveliPL ปีที่แล้ว +197

      He also had a broken leg! So this makes it way more impressive.

    • @warh1story563
      @warh1story563 ปีที่แล้ว +144

      Exactly I hate the fact they literally make Ron a bully or a jerk who doesn’t care about anyone but his family. In the books he’s just as a good friend as Harry is. There’s a reason why the trio have been inseparable for 7 books straight

    • @Theeditor2828
      @Theeditor2828 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      The writer had a fetish for Hermione that’s weirder than the dude from cinema sins

    • @melkhiordarkfell4354
      @melkhiordarkfell4354 ปีที่แล้ว +68

      @@Theeditor2828 Nothing is worse than Cinemasins guy creeping on Emma Watson.

    • @austinburras2993
      @austinburras2993 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@warh1story563 He was also the biggest jerk in the books too

  • @Rj-ij6ko
    @Rj-ij6ko ปีที่แล้ว +991

    Honestly as weird as this might sound, but the most irritating moment for me was when Hermione knew what a “‘mudblood” was.
    Like…she didn’t grow up in the wizard world and she even says “it’s not a term one usually hears in civilized conversation” which to me implies it likely wouldn’t be in any books.
    Just made no sense to me.

    • @judekristo
      @judekristo ปีที่แล้ว +11

      That was one of the few changes mentioned that seems to make sense though no ? Why would hermione be as upset as she is in the books by a term she didn’t know the meaning of? It hits harder for her as a character if she Does know what it means when she is called it. It’d be like if a little kid was called an asshole (not a one to one comparison- obviously the term mudblood is meant to be a worse insult) and the kid didn’t know what the word meant. The kid Might be a bit upset contextually and depending on the tone of voice it was said in but if you don’t know what the term means it undercuts how upset you’re likely to be.

    • @goldenalbumen
      @goldenalbumen ปีที่แล้ว +208

      @@judekristo "Why would Hermione be as upset as she is in the books..."
      She WASN'T upset in the books. That was the point. Ron was mad for her, because he knew what it meant (and also cared for her, though he didn't know it yet); but she just shrugged it off, even after learning its meaning. It wasn't supposed to hurt her. She's almost always above insults because of her self-assuredness (although there's a few notable exceptions which were all the more striking because of that.)

    • @alina-87
      @alina-87 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly

    • @leigh-anjohnson
      @leigh-anjohnson ปีที่แล้ว +69

      @J K It makes no sense for Hermione to know what "mudblood" means when she didn't grow up in any environment where she ever would have heard it. And it's unlikely to be in her textbooks.

    • @calebS.Buddy_Rich_Best_Soloist
      @calebS.Buddy_Rich_Best_Soloist ปีที่แล้ว +44

      @@judekristo The thing is though in the books Hermione isn't upset nor even has a reaction like the movies. Ron was the one in the books to have the reaction at Malfoy, for saying it like the movie. But then Harry gets them out of there, Later they go to Hagrid's Hut and Ron explains it to both Harry and Hermione who explains she didn't know what it meant.
      Both could only tell it was bad because of everyone's reactions.

  • @joshuamitchell5530
    @joshuamitchell5530 ปีที่แล้ว +867

    In the movies it was Hermione’s idea to make this video, but in the book, it was Ron’s.

    • @aemontrembath683
      @aemontrembath683 ปีที่แล้ว +101

      True. True. The world just wasn't ready for my cut of the story

    • @PrimeroJinJusuke
      @PrimeroJinJusuke ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think it would be the opposite.

    • @Ancientveda
      @Ancientveda ปีที่แล้ว +4

      LOL

    • @jigyasaagarwal9462
      @jigyasaagarwal9462 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      wow so accurate

    • @Oyasavvi
      @Oyasavvi 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      LMAOOO

  • @abhaymahajan79
    @abhaymahajan79 ปีที่แล้ว +1749

    Just because the screenwriter does not like Ron does not mean he has to ruin his reputation

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +177

      you can have a favorite character thats fine and all but that dosent give you the right to be biased towards the rest of the cast of characters to make your favorite the best thing in the movie kloves must of forgot that when writing these films

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +124

      Exactly… I just feel like that’s really unprofessional tbh

    • @sreenivaskamath4243
      @sreenivaskamath4243 ปีที่แล้ว +98

      @@TheFrontzClub yeah, it was really unprofessional of him to do like that. His job is to adapt the books into movies, not to mold it to his own liking.

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@sreenivaskamath4243 you can do that when your doing student films or fan films but this was multibillion dollar movie franchises and he butchered it and the 1 movie he didn't write idk why ron actually wasnt made to look like goof the whole time if they do a reboot keep this inept writer out of the chair

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@clover2739 kloves is unprofessional 100%

  • @DryBones271
    @DryBones271 ปีที่แล้ว +1083

    The movies made Hermione into some unstoppable goddess. In the books, yes Hermione was smart, but there's some things she just didn't know. "All she knew she got from books"

    • @navis_6383
      @navis_6383 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And she wasn't supposed to know all about the wizarding world because she was a mudblood..
      And she shouldn't know what mudblood means and what things are cultural in the wizarding world..
      She is a. Muggle born.. And so she should know only limited to books knowledge.. And not all knowledgeable..
      I find the writing in movies inconsistent as they made her smarter than she is supposed to humanly be..

    • @emoji3266
      @emoji3266 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      There’s a reason why the books and movies are different universes.

    • @sarikajoshi7156
      @sarikajoshi7156 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      And when Morgan says he doesn't consider movies as canon he gets trolled .

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +41

      the only time hermione looked weak in the movies was HBP when harry beat her at the potion lesson with the draught of living death

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@sarikajoshi7156 well the 8 potter movies are not cannon they are retelling of the cannon novels only the Fantastic beast movies are cannon because they have no source material to be based off of

  • @veezopolis
    @veezopolis ปีที่แล้ว +504

    They really forgot that Hermione is a Muggleborn. She is an extremely smart and clever person, but she is also quick to irriate, has a fear of failing, and doesn't know anything about the wizard world

    • @occheermommy
      @occheermommy ปีที่แล้ว +41

      Unless it’s in a book. So things like mud blood wouldn’t be in her wheel house.

    • @stargate4625
      @stargate4625 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      the fuck is a wheel house?!?

    • @veezopolis
      @veezopolis ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @stargate4625 it's a term to mean the knowledge that one would reasonably have.

    • @danihaley6904
      @danihaley6904 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@stargate4625 it’s an expression

    • @dannyjorde2677
      @dannyjorde2677 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@veezopolis And yet you delete it 🤡

  • @myartjoruney3523
    @myartjoruney3523 ปีที่แล้ว +192

    Ron wasn't dumb. He just didn't like school work.
    He was actually pretty smart

    • @Zac_Frost
      @Zac_Frost 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      Yeah. In the books, he's always stated to be Harry's equal at everything except DADA and Quidditch, and he even just about catches up with him at Quidditch by Book 6. He's even shown to have a talent in other areas both Harry and Hermione lack in like Divination and History of Magic.
      In the books, he's a well rounded character that fits out the trio perfectly.
      In the films, he's every feminists idea of how men are.

    • @marinuki667
      @marinuki667 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@Zac_Frost I was completely agreeing with you until you said that last sentence. Terrible way to make a point, man

    • @Zac_Frost
      @Zac_Frost 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@marinuki667 It's true, though. In the movies, he's weak, toxic, easily pacified, etc.

    • @marinuki667
      @marinuki667 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Zac_Frost yes, you're right on that

    • @Jumpyman_thegamerYT
      @Jumpyman_thegamerYT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@marinuki667 Not really. Just look at the sh*t Disney has produced in the past few years. They have to bring all the male characters down just to bring the female ones up. All their female characters have no personality traits other than 'feminism' and 'crush the patriarchy'. They're extremely unlikable, they have no development in the slightest, and everything is handed to them (there's no struggle for them).
      I miss female leads like Sarah Connor in Terminator; Ripley from Alien; Princess Leia from Star Wars (I'm talking about the original 6 movies) etc.
      Back when female leads were written like human beings, and weren't self inserts by angry feminists. Back when they were actually likable. They had character development, they were kind, and they were feminine too (no, being feminine does not make you weak, regardless of what the feminist directors say).

  • @Allthingsasian
    @Allthingsasian ปีที่แล้ว +650

    Ron’s character assassination is the worst thing I’ve ever seen because he’s one of my favourite characters. No matter the hate he gets, Ronald Weasley is my King.

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +60

      ginny was also shafted the OoTP is her book she gets all of her shining moments in that book and none of it translates to the movie but yeah she can do a good reducto spell then HBP shes an awkward love interest of harry with someone of the worst dialogue in the franchise and its not bonnies fault no one could of saved SHOELACE

    • @Mykasan
      @Mykasan ปีที่แล้ว +14

      can you imagine? i like movie Ron, mostly because Rupert grint did a great job portrayed his adaptation. i never read the book.

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@Mykasan if you read the books or listen to them you'll hate how they butchered ron who is a much better character then what you see in the movies

    • @Allthingsasian
      @Allthingsasian ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@TheFrontzClub man I can’t even mention movie Ginny without internally cringing. She and Ron deserved so much better. They were both icons in the books.

    • @jaydenc367
      @jaydenc367 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Character assassination? No but he was clearly changed and dumbed down in ways

  • @Phoenix-pm2qr
    @Phoenix-pm2qr ปีที่แล้ว +272

    The fact the director had such a creepy hard on for Hermonie changed how so many people view Ron & Hermonie. The director refused to make Hermonie bad at anything, which is super weird....

    • @gurg6950
      @gurg6950 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      true lol

    • @codypieper728
      @codypieper728 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Does seem a bit suspect that there's so much spotlight given to a young actress by the guy. The only character who didn't get so much taken off him was Harry and it's probably just because it was his story.

    • @XxfreyaxXx
      @XxfreyaxXx 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      Yea I immediately got weirded out by that. Seems like he has a crush on Hermione. Maybe that’s why he made Ron so hateable since that’s hermiones canon love interest. Weird shit.

    • @perfilgenerico8717
      @perfilgenerico8717 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      Let's not jump to pedophilia right away, ok? Jk has said that she is her favorite character and that she saw her as a way to put herself in the story so there is no single guilt person

    • @isomericgamer6644
      @isomericgamer6644 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      It's not the director. It's Steve Kloves the screenwriter.

  • @perpetuallyonline
    @perpetuallyonline ปีที่แล้ว +718

    the movies made me believe I hated Hermione for so goddamn long until I reread the books and realised I actually love her very much. also Ron is my favourite of the trio and I cannot stand how they portrayed him in the movies. literally ruined two amazing characters for no reason smh

    • @theeeveelutionist7245
      @theeeveelutionist7245 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Exactly, they made these characters hated for a lot of people for almost no reason (said in the video) except for a screenwriters stupid biases

    • @nastynas7
      @nastynas7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      I dislike Hermione

    • @KashyaCharsi
      @KashyaCharsi ปีที่แล้ว +29

      I get triggered even when I see Emma Watson in anything else because of these movies.

    • @sorryaboutmypfp6067
      @sorryaboutmypfp6067 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Harry was ruined as well he had such a great personality, super funny as well

    • @HollywoodmoviesHindi-oi1mg
      @HollywoodmoviesHindi-oi1mg 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@nastynas7keep burning in the jealousy of Hermione 🌚

  • @lovefromwonderland
    @lovefromwonderland ปีที่แล้ว +346

    It’s annoying that they use Hermione as a mouthpiece for all these other characters that can very easily speak for themselves. Ron and Ginny can easily tell Harry what they’re thinking and how they feel.

    • @geekarchivistpearce828
      @geekarchivistpearce828 ปีที่แล้ว

      She was overrated by the writers and hell even the author. The movie felt more like one giant self insert for beta male simps and weak minded consumers. Hell the actress could barely flipping act. And let's not even start on the author's hypocrisy.

    • @shayaeido8405
      @shayaeido8405 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Exactly like Hermione says every line others were supposed to say 😂

  • @houstonharvey4145
    @houstonharvey4145 ปีที่แล้ว +280

    I feel bad that Hermione stole Ron's bravest line in the book. It was when they confronted sirius black in the prisoner of azkaban Ron despite having a broken leg got up and said " If you want to kill Harry, you will have to kill us to"

  • @airsoft1238
    @airsoft1238 ปีที่แล้ว +532

    Lol it’s so funny that Order of the Phoenix (the only one WITHOUT Kloves) is the one that actually kinda portrays Ron like he is in the book.

    • @leigh-anjohnson
      @leigh-anjohnson ปีที่แล้ว +56

      Says a lot, doesn't it

    • @rowan2828
      @rowan2828 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's also probably the best movie and the only one which some consider better than the book in a lot of ways. How did this guy keep getting hired after doing such a shit job? No wonder the entire Fantastic Beasts storyline is so fucking bad - he had no source material to base it on and bastardize to his own personal fantasies. So you end up with a poorly written screenplay with plot holes galore, characters who seem out of place in the story/scenes, and the blatant breaking of rules/canon that had been perviously established in the Wizarding world. How many times does this guy have to keep fucking up his job before people stop hiring him for these massive multi-million/billion dollar franchises? He should go back to writing harry/hermione fan fiction where he belongs.

    • @Tyler.0v
      @Tyler.0v ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Still had to cut another nice scene with Ron at the end tho🫠

    • @aranighosh3945
      @aranighosh3945 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      the OoTP movie also did Ron dirty.. In many scenes...

    • @CrashCubeZeroOne
      @CrashCubeZeroOne ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Don't forget the duel scene

  • @coachgoltzbizpro23
    @coachgoltzbizpro23 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    I'm going to add another incredible Ron moment after reading Deathly Hallows:
    When Lupin tells the Golden Trio about the Muggle Born Registration Committee, Ron offers to protect Hermione by claiming that they're cousins and tells her he can teach her the Weasley Family Tree so she can answer any questions they'll ask about it.

    • @jigyasaagarwal9462
      @jigyasaagarwal9462 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    • @Bryan198026
      @Bryan198026 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Not to mention he totally freaked out and pounded the walls when Hermione was tortured by Bellatrix. Another great Ron moment left out of the movie.

  • @occheermommy
    @occheermommy ปีที่แล้ว +243

    I feel like so many people who want Harry and Hermione together have only seen the movies or they saw them first and read that into the books (looking at you super Carlin brothers). The reason Ron and Hermione work as a couple is because they are opposites. He balances her out. He knows that it’s good for her to lose at chess and that she wants to always be the smartest in the room but she needs to be put in check sometimes. Ginny and Harry work because they don’t have that competitiveness but Ginny isn’t afraid of calling out his crap. Harry and hermione are more like siblings and that is how they are written.

    • @tobyjack1238
      @tobyjack1238 ปีที่แล้ว +73

      I read the books a little while ago, and correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t think there was a single moment where the two of them had romantic tension. The most that happened was that people got the wrong idea about them because of Rita Skeeter. Harry and Hermione was probably one of the most platonic relationships between a male and female in a fictional story.

    • @tammygant4216
      @tammygant4216 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Also, paring Harry and Ginny gives Harry the family he never had, and makes Ron his brother (and Hermione his sister) in 'real life'. To an orphan, that means so much.

    • @Quincelee2
      @Quincelee2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      In the SuperCarlinbrothers case, they read the books first, then saw the movies, and then read into the books what they saw in the movies. Ben, the one who did that video freely admits that. Besides, i don't put too much stock into that video. What I find crazy is J.K. regrets the character pairing she wrote. That could be another reason why people think that.

    • @Phoenix-pm2qr
      @Phoenix-pm2qr ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@tobyjack1238 not really.... you're still being influenced by the weird director who had a Hermonie fetish. There were many times Hermonie gets pissed off for a dumb reason and Harry & Ron continues on while she doesn't talk to either of them - and in tern, doesn't talk to anyone because she is an outcast..

    • @a.sahmed2639
      @a.sahmed2639 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Phoenix-pm2qr reread the comment lmao, I don't think you understood it

  • @16rina53
    @16rina53 ปีที่แล้ว +316

    I will never understand why they made Harry and Hermione have so much connection in a romantic way, especially in the last few films when they clearly know Hermione is going to end up with Ron. The realtionship between Ron and Hermione & Harry and Ginny in the books is so much better written and could´ve been brilliant on screen.

    • @Phoenix-pm2qr
      @Phoenix-pm2qr ปีที่แล้ว +62

      The director had such a weird Hermonie fetish and made her look perfect, and tried to ship her with Harry. The guys is super creepy.....

    • @geekarchivistpearce828
      @geekarchivistpearce828 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      @@Phoenix-pm2qr Not just the directors but also the writers have a odd Hermonie fetish.

    • @jisoology_yt
      @jisoology_yt ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Harry x harmoine was a really popular ship cuz everyone thoguht they'd end up together at first, so it was most probably fan service for harmoine shippers, especially the dance scene (can't believe they included that and left out Dudley's redemption)

    • @celinavivian1162
      @celinavivian1162 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jisoology_ytI feel like it wouldn’t have that much traction if it weren’t for the films. The only people I knew that were harmony shippers were people who loved the films. Dramiome or viktorie (Krum/hermione) or even Ronmione was more popular until the movies

  • @TheRibottoStudios
    @TheRibottoStudios ปีที่แล้ว +763

    I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Hermione was the scripwriter's favorite character so this all made more sense after learning that. The movies also did Ginny AND Cho SO dirty. Like this is book Ginny "They wanted to know if you had a tattoo of a Hipogriff across your chest. I said it was a dragon." She also called Harry out on a lot of his more negative tendencies like his hero complex.
    Cho in the books stood up for her friend who ratted everyone in the DA out after being questioned by Umbitch. That's what caused her relationship with Harry to sour. But that kind of loyalty to her friend you have to sort of respect. It shows her better qualities I think.
    Even Harry himself gets shafted in the 5th movie. His trauma and pain is just relegated to "teenage angst" when the book really drives home how alone and lost he is. His mental breakdown is a HIGHLIGHT of that book, of the whole series, and the movie just handles that scene so badly.

    • @miagan9848
      @miagan9848 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      “Umbitch” 😂

    • @gdbssa
      @gdbssa ปีที่แล้ว +46

      That's literally in the first minute of the video Sherlock

    • @carrot505
      @carrot505 ปีที่แล้ว +44

      No, Cho stood up for her friend wasn’t right.look I don’t hate Cho but i don’t like her this thing. It’s good to loyal toward your friend. But it doesn’t mean that you are not going to stop them if they going to do something wrong.This Isn’t the meaning of. Friendship.A friend should always be there for to guide you, to teach you, to stop you if you go into the wrong path.Always be careful about choosing partner

    • @gatorboy21king
      @gatorboy21king ปีที่แล้ว +26

      I don’t think Cho standing up for her snitch friend would’ve saved her from being hated in the movies 😂

    • @gdbssa
      @gdbssa ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@TheRibottoStudios Yet you have time to comment on video's you don't watch 🤣 Hufflepuff vibes

  • @bbb4228
    @bbb4228 ปีที่แล้ว +167

    They gave all of Ron’s best scenes to Hermione. And then you have bad TH-camrs saying that Hermione is the real hero of Harry Potter because of it.

    • @kellysouter4381
      @kellysouter4381 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Snape was the real hero

    • @kaylee5438
      @kaylee5438 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      @@kellysouter4381 Snape was an abusive teacher and bully, who harbored a long-standing crush and was so pissed about it that he joined with a murderous villain, only turning back when he thought his crush (who he never told how he felt) would get murdered. He was selfish and dangerous. Doing one decent thing does not make up for a lifetime of bitter hatred and misdeeds.

    • @anonymouslyopinionated656
      @anonymouslyopinionated656 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@kellysouter4381 Snape was also made immensely more likeable in the movies

    • @priompriyaborah2014
      @priompriyaborah2014 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Even Harry's lines

    • @HollywoodmoviesHindi-oi1mg
      @HollywoodmoviesHindi-oi1mg 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The more you hates Hermione more we love her🙌

  • @nene1082
    @nene1082 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    Wow. Steve Kloves really hated Ron, didn't he? I can identify with writers relating to one character over others, but he didn't have to ruin Ron's reputation to do it. Ron didn't have to decrease so that Hermione can increase.

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +37

      It not only ruins Ron but it ruins the trios entire dynamic as well

  • @ronaldswanson333
    @ronaldswanson333 ปีที่แล้ว +211

    His reasoning for liking Hermione shows why the movies were at best short summaries of the books with incredibly weak characters and writing. “She’s good for exposition” literally wants to use hermione as like a narrator/easy way out of explaining things.

    • @coloredpencils01
      @coloredpencils01 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      This!!!

    • @aranighosh3945
      @aranighosh3945 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Best comment

    • @Boyzby
      @Boyzby ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I know I've seen that clip before, but when it played in this video I was like "...Does no one in this room understand why this answer is awful?" He just admitted it allows him to be lazy by having her know everything.

  • @dsm4468
    @dsm4468 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    This is also a huge injustice to Rupert, as he kind of managed to save the character himself and didn't get enough credit for it because people don't know that he was the only one of the three main actors whose writers didn't give him good material to work with and , worse, they purposely gave him bad material to favor another actor. It must be frustrating and the fandom doesn't give him the credit he deserves.

  • @thedragonwarrior5861
    @thedragonwarrior5861 ปีที่แล้ว +169

    It's ridiculous that in the movies Hermione somehow knows everything while Ron knows nothing. He's the guy who's lived in the Wizarding World his whole life, and not everything about the Wizarding World is learnable through books, so how could she possibly know so much while Ron knows literally nothing

  • @francostevo9939
    @francostevo9939 ปีที่แล้ว +164

    Pisses me off how I’m the movies Hermione wasn’t allowed to fail. She panicked in the devil’s snare in the book but had to be portrayed as level headed in the situation. In the book, when the trio got to the chamber with the flying keys, Hermione tried her Alohamora charm in the door but it didn’t work but in the film, Ron did it; the film did want to make Hermione look like a failure. And don’t get me started with what was supposed to be Ron’s line to Sirius that if he wants to kill Harry he’ll have to kill them too; ON A BRIKEN LEG BY THE WAY!!! Doesn’t get more Gryffindor than that.

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yeah like if they had to cut one out and give the devil snare moment to Hermione… they could’ve at least did it without Ron looking like an idiot. Like they could’ve had Hermione figuring it out without Ron flailing around panicking and not listening. Considering that it was Hermione that was panicking in the book and Ron had to tell her to get a grip

    • @Li_Tobler
      @Li_Tobler 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@clover2739 reminds me of Jurassic Park, where the boy is the one who saves the day by figuring out how to hack the doors in the books, while in the movie it's the daughter, their characters are completely swapped

  • @edwardtheblueengine222
    @edwardtheblueengine222 ปีที่แล้ว +186

    I understand Steve Kloves liking Hermione but what did he have against Ron why did he hate Ron

    • @RinLockhart
      @RinLockhart ปีที่แล้ว +43

      Dude must've _despised_ Ron since he worked on 7 of the 8 fucking movies. What did Ron do to this man????

    • @konradpietrzak3842
      @konradpietrzak3842 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He's red.

    • @rachelrosenstein9975
      @rachelrosenstein9975 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      He hated him because he ended up with Hermione but Kloves was a Harmony shipper. Boo hoo for him I guess🤷🏻‍♀️

    • @jigyasaagarwal9462
      @jigyasaagarwal9462 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ikr like wtaf was the need for that line "i wont. yOu kNoW i WonT" that one makes me soo mad

  • @4eyesinthecorner399
    @4eyesinthecorner399 ปีที่แล้ว +126

    As well as obvious bias and favouritism towards Hermione, it also feels like an easy way out to make Hermione explain everything rather than other characters that might not feature so prominently in a scene. The director guy said it’s an honour to have a character like Hermione because the audience can just assume she read it in a book but that just feels like lazy writing to me when it would make more sense for others characters (such as Ron, someone who’s grown up in the wizard img world) to explain.

  • @nizararman2106
    @nizararman2106 ปีที่แล้ว +116

    It’s totally shocking what they made in the 7th film about Harry and Hermione. Doing the opposite from the source material.

    • @kissanangellottalove6945
      @kissanangellottalove6945 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Ikr!!!! They erased the part where Ron takes Hermione to dance with him at the Wedding and then made the Harry and Hermione dancing!!! Like come on!!! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

    • @nizararman2106
      @nizararman2106 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@kissanangellottalove6945 its unfair

    • @khfan4life365
      @khfan4life365 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I mean, it’s clear that Harry and Hermione loved each other to death but not in that way. In the books, Hermione was always that annoying yet well-meaning sister to Harry. The writers seriously f*cked that dynamic up by inserting romantic scenes that weren’t there in the books.

    • @rabiyaashraf950
      @rabiyaashraf950 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      ​@@khfan4life365 true, harry in the books even admitted that he sees Hermione as his sister.

  • @miaburgueno8872
    @miaburgueno8872 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    Bro, Ron needs his shining moment too! ✨️ Just because you like Hermione more doesn't mean she gets to take it all and leave Ron in the dark. Also, in the chamber of secrets when Ron and Hermione are getting the basilisk fang, I feel like there wasn't enough Ron-Hermione moments to determine that kiss. Hermione spent more time with Harry.

    • @cendresaphoenix1974
      @cendresaphoenix1974 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It just makes no sense

    • @miaburgueno8872
      @miaburgueno8872 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@cendresaphoenix1974 Ik

    • @TV-ly3dp
      @TV-ly3dp ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cendresaphoenix1974 Ik (x2)

    • @supaman321123
      @supaman321123 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Kloves couldnt write romance for shit. All the relationships were super forced and awkward. Only one that was at all believable was Cho and Cedric.

    • @garvioddis3696
      @garvioddis3696 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      At this moment on, when someone says they prefer harry and hermione with each other without reading the books will be the most understandable thing in the world because the screenwriter gave them TOO much romantic moments together, to be honest they should've just made them canon because they didn't seem to care about ruining so many characters just to give it to hermione at this point

  • @extrzq
    @extrzq ปีที่แล้ว +97

    i just recently finished the books,and it’s absolutely criminal how dirty they did my poor ron

  • @RiseeRee
    @RiseeRee ปีที่แล้ว +95

    It’s funny because Hermione is my favorite character in the books, but I get extremely irritated with the Ron slander in the movies. Ron is an awesome character and that just doesn’t translate in the movies.

    • @eamcbmsc
      @eamcbmsc ปีที่แล้ว +16

      It makes sense that a hermione lover wouldn’t like Ron slander. Their relationship makes so much more sense when they are both incredible and flawed characters. I feel very similarly.

  • @loganthemaster2870
    @loganthemaster2870 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    Honestly I’m pleasantly surprised that Steve didn’t just say “screw the books!” and had Harry and hermione end up together

    • @Phoenix-pm2qr
      @Phoenix-pm2qr ปีที่แล้ว +18

      You know hebreally wanted to... he's a freaking weirdo...

    • @charlieivanoff3401
      @charlieivanoff3401 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Lol, then Ron would have had to end up with Ginny

    • @AnnStyle
      @AnnStyle ปีที่แล้ว +8

      ​@@charlieivanoff3401 siblings
      THEY ARE F**KING SIBLINGS

    • @themvps5468
      @themvps5468 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@AnnStyleit’s a joke chill

  • @hibodhi
    @hibodhi ปีที่แล้ว +52

    Steve really Mary Sue'd Hermione. Book Hermione, while flawed, was far more interesting. At the end of the day he really butched two characters.

  • @manasvi.m.b.deshi9thb734
    @manasvi.m.b.deshi9thb734 ปีที่แล้ว +270

    as a person hasnt read the books YET , i never realized that ron was so much at injustice

    • @Pattmore
      @Pattmore ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Same

    • @SantaquinBacon
      @SantaquinBacon ปีที่แล้ว +35

      You gotta read the books they’re simply incredible! I’d recommend listening to the audiobooks (Fry or Dale) for convenience and because the narrators are phenomenal

    • @kevinanjos6519
      @kevinanjos6519 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      I am brazilian and I'm learning english by reading Harry Potter's books lol

    • @Dadan-dan
      @Dadan-dan ปีที่แล้ว +37

      In the books the trio tend to have a clear advantage that make them strong together, Hermione is the book smart (her grades are at the top for a reason), Ron is the magical world smart (have lived there his whole life), and Harry was the one who tended to catch on solutions for the current situation the quickest with enough info. The Devil's Snare scene sorta portrays how their relationship goes onwards: Harry comes up with a possible solution, Ron gives the how, Hermione knows hoe to execute it. I feel like the last book shows what happens when they can't fulfill their roles too, which Harry not knowing what the hell they should do, Ron not having a clear direction to go on (and being hella worried for his family), and Hermione not being able to apply her. knowledge.

    • @anonymous99923
      @anonymous99923 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      read them.

  • @rachelrosenstein9975
    @rachelrosenstein9975 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Kloves trying to make Hermione perfect by removing every single flaw she has and giving her many great characteristics of Ron’s is what actually made her not perfect and unlikable in the movies, at least in my opinion. I personally have a harder time liking a character who seems to know everything and is never wrong, rather than a character who is likable but also has her flaws. It’s what makes characters human! Rowling did a great job making 3 round characters (Harry, Ron and Hermione) who had both good and bad traits, the way humans should be. We all have good and bad stuff in us. The movies just made Hermione be 100% perfect and Ron be 100% an idiot🤦🏻‍♀️

  • @khfan4life365
    @khfan4life365 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Ron always struck me as being more street smart. Like he has knowledge of things that you can only learn from having five older brothers.

  • @Harrison_big_lad
    @Harrison_big_lad ปีที่แล้ว +113

    Probably one of my least favorite scenes in any movie is the stupify scene with Ron and Hermione. It made Ron look weak and petty and Hermione being a perfect genius who has a lot of tee hee sorority sisters

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Exactly! Like from what I remember Hermione didn’t like it because Ron ended up getting her a couple of times and Hermione got a bit defensive over it

    • @maxonite
      @maxonite ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Book Hermione would have never been part of a giggling crowd of girls

    • @Harrison_big_lad
      @Harrison_big_lad ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@maxonite she still has it better than anyone in the Percy Jackson movies

    • @Phoenix-pm2qr
      @Phoenix-pm2qr ปีที่แล้ว +12

      It screams "YASSSSS QUEEN" while the director of the movies had a very creepy Hermonie fetish and refused to make her ever look bad..

    • @Harrison_big_lad
      @Harrison_big_lad ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Phoenix-pm2qr he's an absolute genius in comparison to the dick head who made the Percy Jackson movies

  • @speedymathias8224
    @speedymathias8224 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    Making Ron suck makes everyone who has seen all the movies but not read the books hate Ron, especially when the Horcrux was affecting him.

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Yeah they are basically like ‘well Ron’s useless anyway so why is he even here?’

    • @rain-wanders
      @rain-wanders ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@clover2739 To be fair, I kind of got that vibe from the books too, and I read them first. Ron was just kinda... there. For example, his biggest contribution to book #1 was him beating the chess game for them.

    • @maxonite
      @maxonite ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@rain-wanders He was a great friend to Harry in the books, when they fight in GoF Harry explicitly states that while Hermione is a good friend too, he’d much rather hang out with Ron at times as she can be difficult. Ron also had some wit that Hermione lacked, making the two of them compliment each other in terms of being helpful to Harry in the adventure.

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@rain-wanders and what was Hermione’s big contribution to book 1?

    • @rahulnikam9646
      @rahulnikam9646 ปีที่แล้ว

      I first watch the movies and I thought ron is not necessary ron is stupid but when I read book he is one of my favourite character

  • @vladmarcu3536
    @vladmarcu3536 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    The reason why Ron and Hermione have complemented so nicely in the books is that while Hermione had theoretical knowledge from books, Ron had practical knowledge and experience from real magical world. They really made the perfect combo from an exposition viewpoint.
    Ron got totally screwed in the movies.

    • @Bryan198026
      @Bryan198026 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly. Hermione had the book smarts but Ron had the street smarts.

  • @okami-chan9772
    @okami-chan9772 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Freaking thank you! One of the things that irks me the most is when they made Hermione speak to Harry about his relationship with Ginny. Because that scene would be a lot more heartfelt if it came from Ron, the relative of the person Harry's interested in; giving Harry his blessing to be with his sister.

  • @corgimom5626
    @corgimom5626 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    The whole point of the Ron and hermonie dynamic was that Ron understood things because he grew up in the wizarding world and hermonie knew things because she read them. They balanced each other and knew different things.

  • @AT-gz2fk
    @AT-gz2fk ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I kinda wished that Grint put his foot down and told the writers not to go on with the movie if they were gonna change the whole Ron narrative. But knowing Rupert, i doubt he'll do something like that. I just wished he advocated for his character (have a feeling he really skipped reading the book) Ron was such a well-written, although flawed but a very relatable character. The movie was a complete character assassination.

    • @Li_Tobler
      @Li_Tobler 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I don't think he could given he was a kid for the longer part of the franchise..? His agents/parents should've tried communicating that however, it makes me so sad because both Ron and Rupert are such sweethearts, they deserve the world

  • @gabrielbaracat8779
    @gabrielbaracat8779 ปีที่แล้ว +119

    the movies making Hermione a perfect goddess and Ron stupid sometimes really was probably the most annoying thing throughout the movies

    • @coolkid7151
      @coolkid7151 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That was the main point of the video

  • @Ori_Kohav
    @Ori_Kohav ปีที่แล้ว +31

    That unfortunately also hurt how the films show Harry’s relationship with Ginny, which is one of my favorite subjects in the books.

  • @leigh-anjohnson
    @leigh-anjohnson ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Ron and Harry actually both cone up with a lot of good ideas and do figure out key points on their own in the books. But the movies gave most of that to Hermione, making Ron useless and Harry only being there for the points they absolutely couldn't give away

  • @siobhancadwallader9138
    @siobhancadwallader9138 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Hermione did take a line from Harry in Prisoner of Azkaban about saying ''I trusted you'' it would've been nice for Harry to say that like the books

    • @Buddy-Dale
      @Buddy-Dale ปีที่แล้ว +12

      That line was extremely odd even just going off the material in the film. Lupin and Hermione are never once shown having any one on one time together unlike him and Harry

  • @sujalshah7011
    @sujalshah7011 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    The fact that Ron is also smart is portrayed in the first book itself. Ron was very good at chess, and when Dumbledore said Ron played the best chess game Hogwarts has ever seen, he might have meant it because Ron won the chess match, which was set up by McGonagall and why would someone keep (let's say) easy mode, she would've tried to keep them at hardest level but Ron came out on top. And someone who plays chess like this can't just be a dumbass.

  • @urvisingh1303
    @urvisingh1303 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    This is why it physically hurts me to watch the perfect movie Hermione as she takes Ron's, the twin's, Harry's, Dumbledore's, McGonagall's, Dobby's and Ginny's lines :/

  • @adarshsaseendran2199
    @adarshsaseendran2199 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I hate that they gave Hermione most of Ron's great moments. And not just that , but they made Ron kind of an A-hole towards Hermione (Snape DADA class scene from PoA). They made Ron so useless only movie watchers wonders why is Ron even there except being a clown and they made Hermione so perfect that made movie watchers thinks Harry and Ron are helpless without Hermione. They destroyed both Hermione's and Ron's characters by doing this and also butchered Ginny's character by trying to push Harry and Hermione romance.

    • @kellysouter4381
      @kellysouter4381 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      She was sort of a Mary Sue, while Ron was reduced to a clown

  • @HistoryMadeSimple90
    @HistoryMadeSimple90 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    In the books, in malfoy manner ron screams HERMIONE! (When she hears her scream from Bellatrix torturing her) but in the movies he just says " We should do something
    Makes ron look like he barely gives a shit, Harry seems like the one panicking more

  • @raitaylor
    @raitaylor ปีที่แล้ว +164

    Why they felt they needed to give Hermione so many moments, and lines said and done by other characters is beyond me. They definitely had it out for the Weasley family. I'd give for this series to be redone in animation, and more true to the books.

    • @coachgoltzbizpro23
      @coachgoltzbizpro23 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      One thing I would like to see, especially after stumbling across an artist on IG who drew comics for certain scenes (i.e. Harry and Ginny kiss in the Common Room in HBP, Lupin's Visit in Deathly Hallows, Hermione's arrival at the Yule Ball in GoF), is a GRAPHIC NOVEL adaptation of all seven books.

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +33

      and keep Kloves AWAY from the writing chair for an animated adaption HBO Max series

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว

      @@coachgoltzbizpro23 well get to work on it JK JK

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Right? It’s so unnecessary Hermione was already a great character with her flaws. If their excuse was because they ‘wanted to make it clear she was the smart one’ why on earth give her Ron’s ‘if you want to kill Harry you’ll have to kill us too’ line?? They ruined the whole point of it, Ron standing on his broken leg to protect Harry from Sirius is what’s supposed to remind Sirius of his friendship and loyalty to James 😭. If they wanted to really show Hermione’s brains. Why did they have to give her Ron’s loyalty as well?

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@clover2739 on top of that ron didn't even break his leg he had barely a scratch on it and Kloves is inept at screen writing

  • @brettlarch8050
    @brettlarch8050 ปีที่แล้ว +261

    I really hope that someday they make a Harry Potter tv show.
    7 seasons for all 7 books.
    Averaging 20-30 episodes.

    • @SoraMatt
      @SoraMatt ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Not enough material for 20 episodes in the first 3 books. 8-10 half hour episodes maybe but that is it.

    • @Mykasan
      @Mykasan ปีที่แล้ว +25

      they would never make it, it's too much of a risk.
      it's too much money, usually episodes cost around quarters millions each.
      So you must have a profitable and lucrative market for a season. Even harry potter has to prove a point for a tv show.

    • @brettlarch8050
      @brettlarch8050 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SoraMatt
      You don’t know what you’re talking about

    • @brettlarch8050
      @brettlarch8050 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Mykasan
      Where’s your source on how much it cost?

    • @SoraMatt
      @SoraMatt ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@brettlarch8050 it would need to cost as much as either Star Trek Discovery per episode (27 million) or 200 million per season like Marvel D+ broken into 8-10 episodes (again, 20-25 million per episode)

  • @rachelwatkins2705
    @rachelwatkins2705 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    she straight up has little to no flaws. I'm all here for strong, compassionate women but it does kind of hinder that when those kind of people we see in media are these flawless people. and dont even get me started on its effect of the plot.

    • @shizenwong4816
      @shizenwong4816 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      In the movies she doesn't have flaws in the books she's full of them

    • @shizenwong4816
      @shizenwong4816 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @rachel Watkins

    • @Jumpyman_thegamerYT
      @Jumpyman_thegamerYT 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Any female character described as 'strong and independent' are without a doubt, not strong and independent. A truly strong female lead doesn't have to parade around the fact that they have these good qualities (cough Disney cough). A female lead should be kind, compassionate, likable, and feminine (these modern directors would tell you that being feminine is somehow offensive to women). However, they should also have flaws; they should have moments where they struggle; and they should have moments when they have to actually work for stuff; so that they're written like actual human beings rather than self inserts.

  • @anthonyarellano2413
    @anthonyarellano2413 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    RON helped gryffindor win the quidditch cup book 5 and was celebrated and had a song for him. CUT. i couldn’t believe it. quite honestly the least they could have done for his character in the movies was including that scene.

  • @dogextra9948
    @dogextra9948 ปีที่แล้ว +117

    Morgan you should definitely make a Video about the plot holes in Harry Potter

    • @vikkran401
      @vikkran401 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      That would be a 10+ hour video mate.

    • @TheFrontzClub
      @TheFrontzClub ปีที่แล้ว +15

      biggest plot hole why did the potters need a secret keeper besides themselves while arthur and bill could be secret keepers for thier own houses in DH

    • @t-archer0820
      @t-archer0820 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Just Harry potter and Fantastic Beasts you mean right? No Cursed Child (why is this canon) cause most of it is plot holes

    • @dogextra9948
      @dogextra9948 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@t-archer0820 what the hell is cursed child , I'm just telling 8 hp movie and 3 fantastic beasts movie

    • @rameensamad573
      @rameensamad573 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@dogextra9948 it's this sequal play but they made it super confusing and it doesn't follow the rules of the previous 7 books so lots of people don't count it

  • @mortadasaleh7423
    @mortadasaleh7423 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    In the movies:
    Harry and Ron act like companions
    Harry and Hermione act like they are in love.
    In the books:
    Harry and Ron act like friends
    Harry and Hermione act like friends

    • @khfan4life365
      @khfan4life365 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Not just friends but siblings as well. Ron and Hermione seemed to be the siblings Harry never had. Ron was his brother, and Hermione was his sister. Those are precious bonds.

  • @OfficialAshArcher
    @OfficialAshArcher ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The more I look back on the movies, the more I realised just how many missed opportunities like this there were in all of them to be truly better - just by little things like this.

    • @jigyasaagarwal9462
      @jigyasaagarwal9462 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      just like this little by little they changed whole perception of the story line and SO MUCH that even jkr herself changed her mind and said that harry was a better fit for hermoine like?? TT

  • @haifaaferas8311
    @haifaaferas8311 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    When I was new to Harry Potter and the fandom, and I actually have started by watching the movies then went on to reading the books, I always used to be surprised from people who said Ron was their favorite character. After finishing the books and actually getting more into the fandom, I got surprised form myself that I used to think that.

    • @itzelwisteria1819
      @itzelwisteria1819 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Having to explain why Ron is my favourite character to people who have only watched the movies is the biggest reason I find the movies to be good standalones but really bad bad adaptations.

  • @Snarptusk
    @Snarptusk ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thank you for bringing the 'Harry-Hermione dancing in the tent' scene up. Too many times I've seen people say that it's not romantic in anyway, and I have to ask them if they even watched the movie

  • @jaketno
    @jaketno ปีที่แล้ว +13

    It really just hit me how awkward that scene of Hermione approving of Harry's feelings for Ginny are. Ginny isn't even her sister! (Yes Ginny is her own woman and can/should make her own decisions, but from a protective big sibling perspective, Ron does make sense) Not only did they take away that fairly well done build of Harry's fear of what Ron might think about his feelings and the pretty nice payoff of the nod of approval, but Harry and Hermione were blatantly just friends too. Goblet of Fire showed this really well while Harry and Ron had their rough period and each were just hanging out with Hermione separately, the book made it very clear that while they (Harry and Hermione) can definitely get along and have their moments as just the two of them, it just wasn't the same as the bros. Which if there was any romantic chemistry between Harry and Hermione, Harry most likely wouldn't have felt that way.

  • @1q2w3e4rt5y
    @1q2w3e4rt5y ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Thank you Movieflame for giving Ron the credits he deserved, much appreciated

  • @gamesgoupandgodown
    @gamesgoupandgodown ปีที่แล้ว +165

    To add to this, Ron was also Harry's first friend in both the muggle and wizarding world, but in the movie, Hermione is talking to Harry and is closer to him than Ron.
    Edit: Wow I've never gotten this much support on a comment

    • @mockingbird806
      @mockingbird806 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Exactly. Harry though loved Hermoine but he always loved spending time with Ron rather than her. He loved Ron's company and also wanted to be around Hermoine only if Ron is there.

    • @slothc4892
      @slothc4892 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      true but his upbringing was closer to hers than rons, i haven't read the books in along time, is it just in the movies were the weaslys don't really understand muggle stuff? in the movie arthur weasly asks weird questions about muggles like they'd never met a muggle before (i'm pretty sure at least arthur has but he's the one asking the weird questions about "the purpose of a rubber duck, i do like that tho, its like when your to afraid to ask something about someones beliefs or culture incase you sound stupid or racist so you wait until you meet someone who'll understand your just curious)
      definitely still think they should have kept his character the same as in the books, harry was in a weird position in the wizarding world, most other wizards had heard of him but he'd only found out he was a wizard recently, from what i remember ron didn't treat him special, heard was harry potter "you got the scar? ...that's a cool scar" he was a part of the wizard world that didn't make him feel different, they munched some sweets harry had no experience with like his chocolate frog running away and rons just "yeah that happens sometimes" which helped harry feel a bit more normal aswell because rons been raised with magic and his chocolate frogs have occasionally escaped aswell, also helps when your shocked by a new situation and the person your with acts like it's nothing, gives you a reference for what is and isn't normal, he then just keeps trying new sweets probably wonder which ones he was gonna have to catch first, everyone else was constantly talking about him like a celebrity and he's like"wtf is going on i'm 11, who is He-who-must-not-be-named, why did he try to murderme?", i think hermione and harry having a close relationship due to having muggle upbringings makes sense but not at rons expense, should have been a balance, i actually forgot most of the stuff in this video but i definitely think ron should have been the one to stand between harry and sirius
      (im taking this next part out of context)...
      "Hermione is talking to Harry"... did they not talk in the books?

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Right? It’s like Harry and Hermione were way closer and Ron fades more in the background. Yet book wise Harry and ron were a lot closer and would think more alike. Obviously they are close to Hermione as well but I feel like I got the vibes Harry would rather be Ron alone than with Hermione alone

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@slothc4892 Harry and Ron in the books were more similar personality wise though, Hermione was obviously also their friend and they were all close but Harry and Ron were definitely closer than Harry and Hermione. Harry would spend months with Ron and the Weasleys and Harry would agree with Ron often than Hermione, which would make Hermione frustrated. There’s a reason Harry and Ron were best friends.
      What they meant was that in the movies they often have Harry and Hermione talk more, especially later on which made them seem closer when that wasn’t the case. They would take Ron out of scenes that he was in in the books, and give Hermione Ron’s lines when he was talking to Hermione and not make Ron say anything. In fact, yes Harry loved Hermione like a sister but he would rather be with Ron alone than he with Hermione alone.
      When Harry falls out with Hermione, obviously it’s upsetting but Harry isn’t as bothered about it and just continues with his day. But when Harry falls out with Ron that’s all he can think about because he misses him. I just think the movies did Harry and Ron’s friendship dirty.

    • @occheermommy
      @occheermommy ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@clover2739 he even says in I think the 4th book when him and Ron aren’t speaking that it fine being friends with Hermione but it’s not fun like with Ron. He couldn’t remember the last time he laughed and stuff. It’s not that Hermione is t his friend it’s just that Ron is his Bro.

  • @Bartfan16
    @Bartfan16 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    That scene in Goblet of Fire where Hermione asks the boys to promise they would write to her over the summer and Ron saying "I won't, you know I won't." I always took that as him joking as you can kinda see him smile and laugh a bit, especially when Hermione said "Harry will write, won't you?" And Harry goes "yeah, every week." And he has a bit of sarcasm in his voice.
    But that might be me and how I interpret it.
    But anyway, I do hate how they made Hermione perfect and poor Ron was pushed off to the side.

  • @garmadonthesensei59
    @garmadonthesensei59 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Ron was the best character in the books with Hermione a close second. Making Ron dumb to raise Hermione up not only ruined RON’S movie character, but Hermione too. 😢
    I’ll never forgive Prisoner of Azkaban

  • @l.m.hammond1927
    @l.m.hammond1927 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    With this dynamic, I’m amazed Kloves didn’t just change the relationship endgames!

    • @signalfire15
      @signalfire15 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      He sure did try though...

    • @sadtitties222
      @sadtitties222 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Lol, right?! Like, there are numerous books that got movie adaptations where they changed A LOT of characters, storylines, the whole plot, etc. in order to make the film digestible for the audiences of those times that the film adaptations premiered in. For example, books that had queer characters as the main characters and actually had romance with other queer characters were completely reworked so that there were only a little or no references at all of their non-heterosexuality because of the homophobia at the time. At this point, if they were going to have so many romantic moments between Harry and Hermione they should have just said f*ck it and go through with putting them together in the end while Ron got eaten by a fish. What bloody cowards, lol. 🤣

    • @clover2739
      @clover2739 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If he could’ve he probably would

    • @maxonite
      @maxonite ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I am 100% sure JKR specifically forbid them from doing so. They really tried though

    • @itzelwisteria1819
      @itzelwisteria1819 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ​@Obscure Gun But Romione fans would've been rightfully upset. Though maybe a different ending would've made the distinction between movies and books much greater and I would be able to call the movies badly written Harmione fanfiction without having to explain my reasoning lol.

  • @WCLCooke
    @WCLCooke ปีที่แล้ว +122

    A single novelist can write a better, more compelling story than a team of Hollywood screenwriters.

    • @RodrickMarsMoon
      @RodrickMarsMoon ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's the absolute truth, mate! The absolute truth...!

    • @WCLCooke
      @WCLCooke ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RodrickMarsMoon and don’t you or any forget it.

    • @RodrickMarsMoon
      @RodrickMarsMoon ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@WCLCooke As an published author, I carry this words in my heart and soul 🤗...

    • @WCLCooke
      @WCLCooke ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@RodrickMarsMoon Amen! I'm writing a book series that will hopefully be as popular as Harry Potter. But I hope Hollywood won't screw up all my hard work.

    • @aemontrembath683
      @aemontrembath683 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      It's all because my character was put in the hands of a man who loves my girlfriend and hates me.

  • @abraham2172
    @abraham2172 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I was well aware how they pushed Hermione at Rons costs, but I didnt consciously notice how many moments were stripped from Harry as well. Since the movies came out, I had to defend him many times from clueless moviegoers who thought he was kind of incompetent and lame and nothing without Hermione.

  • @mohammeddiallo3354
    @mohammeddiallo3354 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I love Hermione's character as much as the others but the way they treated Ron drives me up a wall considering he's my favorite character. Puts me off the movies quite a bit.

  • @a.musically.influenced.wizard
    @a.musically.influenced.wizard ปีที่แล้ว +22

    this is why many people like Hermione since some watched the movies. As a person who’s favorite character is Ron, I find it really terrible that they are being really biased with the movies and no one did anything about it.

    • @itzelwisteria1819
      @itzelwisteria1819 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ​@Obscure Gun back when I had only watched the movies Ron was still my favourite so yeah, small comforts

  • @neutraliv899
    @neutraliv899 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    When your favs are ginny and ron but then you watch the movies and get so sad about their characters being ruined😭 in the movies my favorite is Harry. But Ronald and Ginny will forever be my favorites in the books

  • @eslm-studios2996
    @eslm-studios2996 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    It always baffled me how much Hermione knew about the Wizarding World when she was a muggle while Ron seemed to know as much about the Wizarding World as Harry (to a certain degree). But then, when you read the books, it becomes clear the favouritism towards Hermione. And honestly? It's not good.
    If it wasn't for the fact that it was named 'Harry Potter', I'm almost convinced Steve Kloves would have renamed the story to centre around Hermione.

  • @nuggy4768
    @nuggy4768 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    They did Ron so damn dirty, they portray him as a stupid boy that doesn't care for his friends and only cares for food :/

  • @matthewhayek1945
    @matthewhayek1945 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I love hermione but it hurt seeing her get all the great moments from other characters that I also love

  • @rocklittleprincess
    @rocklittleprincess ปีที่แล้ว +11

    OH YES! The last example 14:36 was always annoying to me. Because in the book: it was really a Harry thing to came up with to climb on the dragon because it was the same idea what he did in his first year with the troll. To climb on the troll, is the same wild but brilliant idea as on the dragon!! I hated that hermoine got that line.

    • @tulip5210
      @tulip5210 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I hated that scene so much too. It was out of character even for movie hermoine.

  • @ChrisPTY507
    @ChrisPTY507 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This video should be renamed “Ron being disrespected for 15 minutes”

  • @joshz2491
    @joshz2491 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    Look I completely understand that Emma and Dan had chemistry, but that still doesn’t excuse taking almost all of Ron’s big moments and butchering them completely.

  • @1tsriley_productions
    @1tsriley_productions 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I never had a problem with Hermione seeming more badass in the movie, but what I did have a problem with was stealing away what others said and giving them to her, especially Ron. I keep telling my mom (who I’m watching the Harry Potter movies with right now) “actually, Ron said that” or “Ron did this instead” to make sure she doesn’t think low of him. For example, I like how Hermione saved their lives by making a werewolf sound, but not how they give Ron’s big line “if you kill harry, you’ll have to kill us too.”

  • @Immi_xxx
    @Immi_xxx ปีที่แล้ว +12

    They also gave hermione Harry’s lines talking to lavender in the half blood Prince when Ron was poisoned.

  • @Vor567tez
    @Vor567tez 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    This is why Ron and Harmione being together was jarring.
    They made whole movie giving tender and intimate moment b/w Harry and Harmione and even hv Ron be jealous of their relationship. That basically feeding the audience the idea that they might be romantically interested.

  • @gspar116
    @gspar116 ปีที่แล้ว +43

    I was waiting for you to make this I knew it was coming 😂

  • @DearDiaryItsKayla
    @DearDiaryItsKayla ปีที่แล้ว +23

    And they just took all of Ron’s smart moments out

  • @leigh-anjohnson
    @leigh-anjohnson ปีที่แล้ว +7

    That last point about the dragon pissed me off. Why would they give that to Hermione instead of Harry? It's like they forgot whose name was in the series title

  • @pervertedstoner69reborn70
    @pervertedstoner69reborn70 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I thought if anyone know more about the Wizarding World, it was Ron! Harry and Hermione were raised by and around muggles. Ron on the other hand was raised by witches and wizards, therefore, he would have had more experience.

  • @billieAries
    @billieAries ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "In the film Hermione did [insert smart thing], but in the book it was actually Ron"

  • @bignastyteddybear
    @bignastyteddybear ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm liking how the quality, length, and attention to detail have gotten better over the years. I don't watch EVERY video but I definitely make it a point to go back and see what Harry Potter videos I've missed.

  • @violetta698
    @violetta698 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Ron and Hermione getting together is actually well built up to in the books. The movies ruined both of their characters and their relationship.

  • @Gaib_al_lisan
    @Gaib_al_lisan 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I wonder why didn't JK step in and tell then not to mess up one of the most important characters in her books. Didn't the screenrighters consult her?

  • @almudenagallego7739
    @almudenagallego7739 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I really like the video and the way all the examples are shown. Great work!!

  • @aditimujumdar814
    @aditimujumdar814 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I ll never forgive Steve Klovens for giving all of Ron's best moments to Hermonie in the flims

  • @MythStarFire
    @MythStarFire ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The main thing I dislike about the movies is Ron’s treatment. Ron is Harry’s best friend. He is Harry’s Sirius. Ron would have died for Harry and almost does on more than one occasion, but the movies just ignore all of that. The movie writer DOES turn Hermione into an insufferable know it all.

  • @cendresaphoenix1974
    @cendresaphoenix1974 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Imagine simping for a character so much that you actually make her a hated character.

  • @OwlBard
    @OwlBard 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The funniest thing to me is that the screenwriters showed how much they favored Hermione over Ron by getting rid of anything that was fun or unique about her in the books. They messed up BOTH characters because of their dated notion that women can't be strong / good characters without being boring and perfect.
    In addition, getting rid of the traits that made them such compelling characters in the books just makes them be interested in each other in the movies make no sense.

  • @sailorVenus225
    @sailorVenus225 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    In the books it's always clear that Harry is closer with Ron and loves him more. Hermoine is great in the books too, but annoying and judgmental.

  • @vanillakilla64
    @vanillakilla64 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I feel like by giving Hermione all these moments in the movies, they didn’t give Rupert his credit or chance to really shine. He kinda felt like a background character in some movies. They all definitely grew and evolved but Emma and Daniel definitely had more screen time and more to build on career wise.

  • @CJDM310
    @CJDM310 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    14:40 this moment irked me more than anything. They literally ripped Harry’s character moment and gave it to Hermione

  • @Gorgeousz
    @Gorgeousz 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    I'm really angry they made ron 'Stupid'. He's one of my fav character in the book. Same as Ginny's character, they ruined it.

    • @jacksonbolt1455
      @jacksonbolt1455 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If this movies were made on this years they would have been more conflicted than the time it was made

  • @videogamehawk79
    @videogamehawk79 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for compiling these. Really well done.

  • @cami3347
    @cami3347 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This is the only reason I'm not that sad about the reboot

  • @neoshadowdukeofgames8223
    @neoshadowdukeofgames8223 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    This is a good reason to know the books in addition to the movie. I had no idea why Ron constantly felt like a odd man out. It’s cause they were pushing the romance through all the movies