Their only argument is that super dumbed down Goku to being a "bad father" and even if that's true he still had some moments with Gohan in dbs so idk why they even say that. And don't even get me started on the senzu bean situation???? He legit knew Gohan would turn into himhan and what would he get from fighting a weakened cell? That's right he WOULDN'T GET SHIT like wtf is this logic. Goku went out of his way to give Bojack the heavenly fade. I don't get it??? This is actually so stupid. He SACRIFICED HIMSELF TWICE HOW IS THIS BAD FATHER MENTALITY??? I'm beginning to think dbz fans did not watch the show and don't know what "sacrifice" means like goddamn this is the worst damn debate in dragon ball history.
@@Constell4tion3 I 100 percent agree people who say goku is a bad father don't know the show at all sadly nowadays people don't pay attention to the family moments in the show that really matters if they would watch the those moments and pay attention to the those moment's they would understand Goku saved krillen and gohan from nappa he fights vegeta technically had to transform into a great ape to beat a beat in up goku plus saved earth and the universe from frieza dbz fans now what there talking about it's sad
When did he die twice for Gohan? I haven’t seen Z since I was a kid and the series was never interesting enough for me to rewatch. But when he died fighting Raditz that wasn’t just for Gohan wasn’t it? Raditz taking Gohan was the catalyst for the fight but I thought him dying was just the only way to beat Radtiz and get rid of the threat. As for with Cell that also wasn’t just for Gohan, that was for the Planet. Also the whole reason they were in the predicament with Cell was because of him anyways. I feel like people see Piccolo more positively as a father figure because he actually involved with Gohan and his sacrifice is more blatant. Piccolo never had to sacrifice himself for Naapa. As an audience we know Piccolo is seemingly more important than Gohan but he gave his life anyways. Piccolo even got a whole character arc and got closer to Gohan. Meanwhile Goku doesn’t really get something that huge. Then later on Piccolo trains with Gohan in modern Dragonball, talks to Gohan, watched his child and then even trained with her a bit. Meanwhile Goku is always off even in his spare time just fighting some more. But Goku just is the type of guy to love fighting and values it more than being at home and with his family.
He sacrificed himself twice for his son, broke the rules of the afterlife for his son, never forced anything upon his son unless it was for his son’s own well-being, trusted in his son, took accountability for his and his son’s mistakes, supported his son through thick and thin, took pride in his son’s achievements, spent time with his son whenever he had the chance, made sure his son was safe no matter what, despised seeing his son be hurt and did everything in his power to minimize the damage, and did everything to make sure his son grew up to be a good child. He wasn’t the best father, sure, but when you’re the literal guardian of Earth, this is more than enough to be a very good father.
I will also add that he always stayed close to Chichi unless he felt the need to be away for a while (like when I went off to train Uub to pass the baton). He was not a perfect husband, but he respected his wife's opinions far more than Vegeta did for a while. Goku became a farmer while Vegeta never bothered to find a job despite Bulma complaining about it to Gohan.
Facts. He constantly says during the fight to give back Gohan. He stood up against someone who was way more powerful than him, and gave his life, just to save his son.
Goku's greatest act as a father was preventing Chichi from naming him Archimedes. Edit: Dragonball Z was dubbed by multiple Studios back in the day. The one I watched had it where Chichi said Archimedes instead of Einstein.
@@beanik835The funny thing is, none of that happened in the manga. Hell, Gohan's Super Saiyan transformation was just him powering up while being angry. Super threw out most of the content created by the anime, and used the manga as it's basis
An underrated part of Goku as a father, that I dont think is brought up alot, is his supportiveness of Gohan’s desire to be a scholar despite knowing his potential as a fighter.
Thats what a good parent does.Supports thier kid no matter what they want to do in life and Goku always encouraged him to be a scholar as he got older.He knows Gohans potential but he didnt force the fighting life onto him. If anything Gohan trained to protect his family and friends out of respect for his dad at times. Sure he got soft after the 7 year timeskip till the Buu Saga. But hey no threats were around during that time so of course he took it easy and lived his life and occasionally sparred with his little Brother Goten.
For a man who’s the main guardian of an entire planet, from a race of people not usually meant to care for their kids much at all. I’d say he did a damn good job.
@@PhilPhantomZSaber😑 The point kap made isn't whether Goku's a good or bad father, it's the fact that his sons' love doesn't prove that. Humans are known for loving abusive people. In reading the comment I just assumed kap thinks Goku is a good dad, but I could be wrong, there's nothing to indicate either way.
This version of goku in dbz is actually a pretty deep guy. He isn’t so emotionless as they peg him to be. He values family and friendships just as much as martial arts. Outside of being a saiyan I think he realizes that martial art has brought him a whole circle of friends and family he didn’t have when he was alone as a child.
for real man, super potrays goku as someone with barely human feelings. he just fights people and stays on beerus' planet. he is never shown to be spending time with his friends and family. he didn't even attend the birthday party of his very first friend who showed and took him around the world, and because of her he doesn't live alone anymore; he's made so many friends, learned from many teachers and has a family of his own. even toriyama says that goku is a saiyan who only cares about fighting, training and eating. honestly with the way goku is now, i sometimes doubt/wonder if his family even likes him anymore and/or has mixed feelings for him
@@weirdface1846what? goku is shown spending time with goten at the beginning of the series and throughout the show. he didnt attend the birthday part sure, but post majin buu saga goku also hadnt visited bulma in five years in favor of training, so how is he any different?
@@superubergoober hm i had not thought about that, krillin also says how goku trains but doesn't visit anymore. the difference is that goku not being there with his family in z is because it's circumstancial. he's always either dead or on another planet. at the beginning of z he was with gohan chi chi and ox king for 5 years, and three years with gohan prior to the androids arrival. while super goku is just like "oh parties? sure i could attend, but nah imma train bruh" of course. end of z goku also did the same thing... but what i mean is he's mostly on beerus' planet (and so is vegeta). he's choosing to be there rather than being forced to be unavailable. in super, goku barely cared that he has a granddaughter and he just ran to beerus planet while in end of z, he was shown to be training pan and had a close bond with her also if you say that he is shown to be with goten, i just feel like that happens offscreen mostly and when we see the story going on, he just goes to some planet or something. but i think you're right, he does spend time with goten, since goten loves goku unconditionally, which means goku and goten had father son moment and bonding in the 4 year timeskip. but regardless, i just feel like super goku doesn't hang out with his friends and family than z goku does. he just had that one scene where he didn't see bulma and others for 5 years, but that happens during when dbs happens, and that line will probably be retconned
@@weirdface1846 well you could say z goku's absences are circumstancial, but super takes place within a few years, goku is almost constantly fighting some new threat, not to mention beerus. i do find it interesting you mention goku training with gohan though, as super goku shows a much better understanding of him. it was always weird to me that goku was fine with letting gohan fight buu, not even bringing up his dislike of fighting. whereas super goku apologizes when he had to fight. at the end of the day, toriyama always meant to portray goku as someone who is so pure in his desire to grow as a martial artist that he can be oblivious to everything else. looking at all the different media for dragonball (dubs, games, translations, etc) and seeing all the ways goku has been personified is quite unique. i do think z goku and super goku are more similar than people make them out to be, but everyone sees them in their own eyes so whatever. anyway, see you around, have a good day
@@superubergoober while it is true that goku is fighting threats in super too, im not gonna deny that, but it's not always immediately after the previous threat. when there's peace, he is on beerus' planet (but that also proves beneficial, as goku unlocked ssb which helped against golden frieza and top). in z, he was on earth training with gohan and piccolo before androids came during times of peace. as for understanding gohan, i think you're right, and it was sweet of goku to understand his son. also in super anime, goku is fine with gohan not fighting at the universe 6 tournament because he's busy being a scholar, and goku's like "no worries, its alright, studying is important too" which was really nice. he did let gohan fight buu but he hand his hands full with majin vegeta. i honestly think goku is one of those types of people who are "wants to spend time but too busy". many parents or friends can't make time for their loved ones because they're too busy. goku, as a martial artist is also busy training and improving, he is a fighter, a saiyan. but i don't believe that to be true. i don't think goku is so busy training that he can't make time, nor that he doesn't wanna. it's most likely just, as you said, so pure on pushing himself that he doesn't even realise he's not giving time to his friends and family. but i think he is, he is balancing both personal life and training life. there are different times for that. i just wish we got to see more moments of goku with his friends and family. he is with them, but only offscreen which gives people the wrong idea that goku doesn't give no shit about anyone, but that couldn't be further from the truth. i may have been wrong. again i wish we got to see more goku's normal life moments with the people he's close with. regardless, see you and i hope you have a good day too
“He’s not a fighter like you, do you want to know what he’s thinking? He’s not thinking about strength or competition. He’s wondering why his fathers is standing there letting him die” was a goated line 😭
also the scene in the time chamber gohan is actively seeking a fight with goku when trying to become a super saiyan. saying that he doesnt need rest, saying goku needs to be serious. this scene is what gave goku the impression that gohan was like him even tho he wasnt
@daeide1234 yeah i can see that, this is actually a really good reason to justify his mindset all things considered, aside from all the battles and adventures Gohan willingly wanted to participate in on top of that.
@@Arichson Yeah, I agree. Goku may have screwed up big time, but after going back to the Cell saga a couple times, I came to better understand why Goku mistakenly thought his son Gohan liked fighting just like he did.
@@daeide1234Of course it would make Goku think THIS is what Gohan wanted. But then at the heat of the moment Gohan just didn't have the heart to do it. Goku genuinely fked up because he forgot Gohan is not like Goku was when he was a child (Kid Goku was an absolute menace) Goku genuinely fucked up big time by misunderstanding his beloved son.
Hindsight’s 20/20 for TFS. They regret a LOT of their early choices, but unfortunately they couldn’t get those back and ultimately tried their best in the end to fix their mistake
Unfortunately i was also one of them, not until i read the manga. Its when i realized people should actually take their warning "This is a fan based PARODY" seriously.
Hes not a perfect father, but he tried his damn best. I would love to have a dad who was as unconditionally supportive and loving as Goku, even if hes a bit dense.
I Never realized how often Goku calls Gohan Champ, or says things like “I’m proud of you.” DBZA has kinda overwritten most of the English dub in my head
Exactly the reason why i kinda hate it as a db parody Its funny and a fun watch but it also became so big that it rewrites people's view on db despite alot of the jokes are over exaggerated Also people use dbza as facts and not watch the og and will never listen to reasoning because it doesnt fit their view And it really shows how much they hate goku despite the show being mostly about him and dragon balls
@@zaidkapadia6824 as much as it is ignoring that people do take it seriously is dumb People that think that the abridge is closer to the canon do exist and just saying their fictional doesn't mean anything Example: People will still love war hammer 40k despite having rough details and will still argue that their universe' marines would reck other sci fi marines With that being said because the abridge stained people's perception of the original dragon ball in ways such as goku being the worst father, vegeta being leagues better father than goku, goku being shit to his family, goku ignoring gohan's dreams and hobbies, piccolo being the better father without fault, chi chi being a nag or worst, gohan disliking fighting and such Although as what i previously said I'm only a little annoyed at dba being the parody version because it became very big and saying that its fictional and ignoring people's passion and the fact that it changes people's perception and opinion of the original db is dumb
Like, nappa in dragon ball abridged is fucking hilarious, but in the anime he is the guy who killed half of the z fighters. But the abridged version is so more liked that people think that nappa its just a dumb strong guy, and he shouldnt appear in the games and give space to other characters
@@hamnporkgamerLiterally been saying this for years, I’m even seeing stupid videos like “Watching DBZA without watching DBZ” it’s ok to like it but most of those people thinking it’s the canon version
The difference is Piccolo cares about Gohan's well being that he disregards Gohan's ability to fight Cell, but Goku actually believes in his son and thought he was destined to do great things. That's a trait of a good father to me, if you don't believe in your own son that just makes you a bad parent, Goku cares alot about Gohan too and obviously he doesn't want him to get hurt but Gohan is literally the only one who can fight Cell in that arc because of his hidden potential.
Piccolo disregarded Gohan’s fighting ability because he didn’t spend a year in the time chamber with a super Saiyan Gohan. He didn’t see Gohan nearly ascend to the next level like Goku. Vegeta figured Gohan had great power due to Gohan being natural in his Super Saiyan state. But Piccolo looked at Gohan as a child even though Gohan was stronger than him at that point.
@SRT_DRE That's not true, listen to what Piccolo says to Goku while cell is torturing him again. Don't hate on Piccolo just because you're mad about people criticizing Goku
@SRT_DRE Here's the thing........ In a way Piccolo was right: Gohan doesn't not like fighting but Goku was right too because he spent a year with his son training and he knew that Gohan was the only person who could defeat Cell and save the world Both Piccolo and Goku were right in that situation
@@Snailshroom No one is hating on piccolo as we all know that goku should have been a little more vocal about his actual plan to defeat cell as this is the only reason as to why gohan found and felt himself as truly alone in the battlefield but that was an ultimatum either way as literally each of the z fighter was surprised at gohan's strength when he came on to fight as a super saiyan so goku still wasn't wrong in his belief. Piccolo literally did the same thing that too with a 4 year old gohan who was kept sheltered even by his own parents just because of the urgency of the situation. Funny thing is in the end they both have to sacrifice themselves for that love to protect gohan while further playing their part in the character development of gohan and the whole relation dynamic as we saw him growing up from a mere child to an adult.
Well Goku isn’t a hero but he is a good guy, if he sees you or I in direct danger he’ll save us but he won’t ever go out of his way to save someone halfway across the planet just cause its the right thing to do like a hero would.
@@tnmblonewolf8799 I mean just because he isn't actively being Super-Man doesn't discount him from being a hero. If he weren't one then the entire Red Ribbon Army arc wouldn't really happen because Goku wouldn't go out of his way just to help some random native he just met bring their dad back to life. He's actively defending Earth and putting his life on the line for others. That's what a hero is.
The fact gohan had to force goku to actually fight him in the cell saga shows he cares. Goku was more willing to go easy on his son in fear of hurting him and risk the earth being destroyed
Not even thinking about whether or not Goku's a good dad, this video just reminded me of how much I miss how Goku used to be written and we're probably never getting that back.
Yeah I really miss dbz goku, and in general the writing from dbz. A lot of what we see in super is purely fan service and filler rather than genuine characterization of the cast we appreciate so dearly. Maybe in the new show as opposed to introducing all these new forms and enemies, they can focus on giving us some more introspective on the characters. I would really love to see that and genuinely wouldn’t complain at all.
Considering Goku grew up as a Saiyan in the wilderness with fighting as his primary education, he has adapted remarkably well to life on Earth. He's not perfect but dammit Goku is not a bad dad. I would argue he's a great dad. Pay attention to those lessons he impacts on Gohan. He trains his son to defend himself, teaches him how to be persistent and work hard the right way, he teaches Gohan to believe in himself, to enjoy the small moments and so much more. Goku is also highly supportive of what Gohan wants to do in life and doesn't look down on him because he wants to be a scholar. A lot of people would wish they could have a present father like Goku.
If anything, people should get mad at how much Goku is owed by everyone. Goku took out the RR, singlehandedly as a kid and wasn't given any kind of reward for saving the world. Then he took out Demon King Piccolo and gang, after they started killing fighters and publicly threaten the world. After, he fought Piccolo Jr. at the WMAT live to the whole world, because Protector of Earth Kami wasn't capable, and apparently neither the WG or Kami could give Goku other than the Prize money he won. Gokus been cheated several times by the Ox King who only sends money, instead of giving Goku some farming land/farmers so he can be self sustainable with his family. Why doesn't King Kai help Goku find space plants or valuables, knowing how difficult it is to keep a Saiyan and support one, let alone a family that constantly helped him solve his problems (Frieza, Cell, Buu). In Super, Ox King can't afford to help, so Goku has to start farming, which he could've already been doing. Hercule&Bulma, neither have helped Goku repair his home, get better amenities, cover his purchases, or give him some extra cash for the countless times he's saved them and the world, and Gokus the reason why Vegeta survived the first encounter that led to Bulma getting married. The literal King of the Universe saw Goku fight for their universe, and didn't send him anything as thanks! Goku is the most shafted MC in anime
Nah I think it'd rather have a dad that didn't put the weight of the galaxy on my shoulders at 10 years old and just leaves his family to train for months or years at a time.
@afrofriend9140 all these things youve listed are things 95% of the fathers wouldve done if they were in gokus shoes, goku isnt retarded he just lacks societal norms yet he never tried to apply himself for his family (during the time he was alive) nor did he ask mr satan if he could help out with money since he took credit for killing cell, he tried to bribe the elder kai in the buu saga with gohans girlfriend, talking more with gohan/goten from the afterlife clearly wouldnt have been a problem considering the things hes done for the universe also gohan wants to be a scholar? gohan doesnt even know himself what he wants thats why everyone else tells him what he wants (chichi: a scholar, goku/piccolo: a fighter etc.) the final straw that broke gohans back to reach SSJ2 was seeing the head of an android getting crushed by cell - the android he has never spoken to or seen before and not the friends/family he knew since years getting beat up
12:06 I actually love how you even include the part of Goku's mistake of throwing Gohan to Cell so carresly and Piccolo scolding Goku for it. While this is one of the worst mistakes Goku did in DBZ this is also pretty understandable if you think about how Goku was like growing up, he thought Gohan needed to experience similar things he did so Gohan could get stronger. And I'm glad how Goku realized his mistake and tried to sacrifice himself to save them instead of pushing Gohan again
@@thribs It looked like one at first. In the end though, Goku was right to believe in his son. I think Goku's mistake was thinking that his son Gohan loved fighting as much as he does. But as Piccolo pointed out, Gohan doesn't.
Same. Goku may not be the brightest star in the sky and he might not be the best father in the world, but at least he's capable of understanding where he went wrong in his parenting and try to learn from his mistakes. 😊 Have you noticed that Goten never gets dragged into anything after The Buu saga with the exception of helping Goku ascend to Super Saiyan God? And aside from the Tournament of Power, Gohan wasn't dragged into Goku's dangerous missions anymore either. In fact, I think there was the tournament between universes 6 and 7 that he wanted to take part in, but couldn't due to a conference. But Goku was perfectly fine with that(well, at least in the anime). 😊
Standards have gone down these days. No matter what this video shows, Goku has always been absent, and is only around when a bad guy needs to be fought.
@@NitroRonin23 because he was literally dead? Whenever he's alive he's always with his family, for God's sake he spent an ENTIRE YEAR STRAIGHT the chamber with his son.
You think forcing your son into a life or death situation for no other reason then your own ego (yes, it was ego, dads spouting "I believed in my kid" in those situations are out for themselves when the child is LITERALLY distressed about the ordeal). Fucking hell, you people are actually allowed to procreate and that's frieghtening.
"Goku is a bad dad!" -Named him after his Grandpa -Allows Chi Chi first dibs at education instead of martial arts -Chases after Raditz(and Garlic Jr) and teams up with Piccolo for his kids sake with no hesitation -Encourages him to become a better version of himself, to where Gohan has to push Goku to take the training wheels off and Ki blast him full force -Senzu beans Cell to show Gohan how much faith he has in him, rather than what's stake. -Comes to his senses when it all hits the fan -Corrects his mistakes via sacrifice, in the same way Itachi did Sasuke, to leave a successor that can "apologize and take care of your mother." -Comes back not just for Bojack, but for Broly AND Cell. People hating 😂
Bojack is the only movie before Battle of Gods to not contradict canon material, and filler is... Questionable in terms of how much or how little of it can be considered a legitimate part of his character. Nevermind dubs making Goku like Superman in Z. But even in the manga, Goku is still nowhere as bad as people make him out to be. He might not be a great parent by HUMAN standards, but by Saiyan standards he's an amazing parent.
@@7fatrats like I said, bad by human standards, but pretty good by Saiyan standards. But then again we don't exactly have a large list of other Saiyans to compare to. We have him, Prince Vegeta (who gets better at it starting with the Buu saga), King Vegeta, Z Paragus, Super Paragus, Father of Goku special Bardock and Dragonball Minus Bardock. The difference for Paragus and Bardock being that their respective"canon" and "non-canon" depictions seem a bit different from each other, especially Bardock.
Sad but grateful to know a great series like Dragon Ball. I'll never forget my childhood days, watching Dbz in the golden afternoons after coming home or watching during dinner. Actually Dragon Ball is not only a part of my childhood but it is a part of my life. I'll never stop watching or reading the most beloved work created by Akira Toriyama. Rest in peace in the afterlife that is amazing as the one you've created.
I think the scene with him right after turning super saiyan is heavily underrated. It’s incredibly rare that we ever see goku act or even acknowledge his authority, in general. And it’s genuinely important as a parent to establish/maintain that level of authority with your children, or else they’ll start to act off and potentially put themselves at risk. Not to mention, the fact that in this moment goku is surging with the most power he’s ever had, and rather than using that power as leverage and threatening gohan, the only reason he gives to listen to him is “i’m your father.” Which signals that it’s still goku that’s firmly in control and capable to act rationally in a state that could potentially be dangerous to others if he couldn’t
@user-qd5lb7qr8z actually adhering to authority is called being a cuck. If authority is what's stopping someone from doing bad things then they have some fundamental issues.
@@michaelw2797 he fell down from a cliff when he was a kid after Old Man Gohan found him from the wild and he hit his head in the rock pretty hard. his violent nature was gone after that and he became a very good kid ever since.
I'm kinda happy more and more people are giving Goku a little more respect as a father as the years go by. He ain't perfect, doesn't mean he never cared for his family!
I still don't see Goku giving Cell a senzu bean a "bad parenting". it was Goku proving a point to literally everyone including Cell that Goku's prediction on Gohan beating Cell will never be proven wrong, and yet he was and still is right. the moment Goku gave someone a senzu, you know Goku has the upperhand. *cough cough, Moro*
@@eetfuk3571I actually find it insane Goku knew without a doubt he’d still beat Moro even after the senzu, and Moro literally broke his hand trying to backstab him
As a man dat grew up watchin' Dragon Ball, whose dad was killed, Goku's line about memories keepin Gohan & Goku close made me tear up in seconds. My dad wasn't a good person, but he was a good dad to me. RiP to all da loved ones.
@@nezukokamado46I’m pretty sure team four star says that it’s their fault for all the “goku is a bad stuff” it may of been around before but it got a lot worse
@@DumbRairyuu they do commentary and they say “DO NOT WATCH abridged before watching the actual anime” and that they fueled but they say “the bad dad goku jokes are not canon do not accept them as canon”
The Abridged authors pretty much said "look, we made the Goku's a bad dad jokes because the community was already doing that too, and we accidentally fueled people taking it seriously. Goku is a dumbass, but he earnestly cares for his son."
But people will change the context of every one of these scenes and remove Goku weeping and breaking reality for his son multiple times so they can feed the narrative that Goku’s a bad dad. He just not a perfect dad. He’s a man trying to raise his son under extraordinary circumstances and has his shortcomings. Doesn’t make him a bad father.
goku is not a terrible dad. but piccolo has some amazing qualities as an alternative father figure, mentor, and extremely close friend to gohan. i love them both.
lol true, but that was while he was still evil and had a variety of character elements of his father, Demon King Piccolo. Gohan is what warmed his heart and caused him to turn it around, Gohan was the first person to not treat him like he was a monster. He was gradually become less Stoic over the years from how much of an impact Gohan left on him, leading to him becoming gradually more domesticated. This dude took an annihilating blast from an elite saiyan and sacrificed himself for the 4-5 year old child. It definitely wasn't the most logical move as it's the whole reason the Namek arc happened, but he had pure love in his heart.@@Sly9192
@@randomkitty2555and his mother gine in the broly movie stated that it’s unlikely for a saiyan to care for his child so goku is literally doing better at parenting than 90% of saiyan dads
People saying goku not a good father for not being with gohan and always left him with chichi to grow, but when your job is to save the world, that's the sacrifice needed to be made even for people irl, so yeah he's may not be with gohan a lot of times but he sure make it precious every time he's around gohan
He's not the best father, rarely anyone is. He's a good father and not a bad one. Go and ponder that for a moment. For someone with his upbringing and race id argue he's an amazing father!
If dying 2 times just for the well-being of your son is being a bad father, and throwing children into mountains, leaving them alone with dinosaurs and beating them up personally and somehow letting that go by as "training" is being a good father, then the perspective of reality of that person is kind of screwed.
Absolutely. All the people who say “Piccolo was there more than Goku” are idiots who completely either forget or disregard the circumstances surrounding why that’s the case.
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
9:18 is one of my favorite moments in dragonball period. Just the ambience of the scene and Goku’s delivery really hammers home what the stakes are and how he feels in the moment. I knew Goku was never really a bad dad, sure he does do some questionable things, but you also gotta remember that he was raised in the wild as a sayan. No one’s perfect, but you can tell that he’s trying his best with this line. I like super a lot, but I wish Goku was this mature more often in it, especially in the tournament of power arc.
Also, people forget that compared to Saiyan nature, Goku is actually one of the best fathers out there. Paragus used his son just to inflate his ego and get revenge. Same with Vegeta with Future/Present trunks and didn't give a shit about the former until he was bleeding out and dying to cell and present timeline trunks until he had to sacrifice himself against buu, and even then, he stated he never hugged his son at all or even took notice of him. Unlike Goku, who he actually spent four years with gohan before Raditz' arrival, and hugged goten for the first time. Vegeta was a terrible parent throughout the entirety of Z. Bardock himself was a deadbeat as in games it was implied that Bardock didn't care much about Raditz and blatantly favored Goku. In the DBS manga, Bardock never even saw Goku until frieza literally blew up his planet. In Z, he couldn't care less about Goku until future sight made him see goku confronting Frieza. King Vegeta was a shit parent to Tarble and sent his son away because he was disgusted with his level of power like Vegeta. These Goku is terrible dad arguments are so pathetically bad to downright laughable when put under scrutiny. These people think Vegeta was a good dad when he didn't care about his future and present timeline son until GT and DBS and towards the end of Z. They just hyperfocus on goku and think he's a terrible parent when they ignore the other characters' flaws because it's much easier to plug your ears and headcanon bullshit into what they think instead of what is shown on screen or page. It's much easier to not admit your favorite character has any flaws
Some of these moments can drive a grown man to tears. When you pay close attention to Goku and Gohan's relationship, you can see they care for each other immensely. A father who supports his son and would fight tooth and nail for him while simultaneously owning up to his and his son's mistakes is very commendable. And a son who listens to his father while trying to uphold his good values and improve upon them is a bond that nothing can break. This Father-Son Duo is probably one of the most inspiring and powerful bonds in media. I really appreciate how well the two blend together when the chips are down.
People constantly bring up the Cell Saga Senzu bean arc as if that shit ruins Goku's entire character but conveniently forget Vegeta's stupid overconfident ass is the one that let Cell reach perfect in the first place by stopping Trunks. People only remember Krillin refusing to blow her up, but if Vegeta didn't fuck around SS Trunks was already about to annihilate Semi Perfect Cell.
The thing with Goku is that he is very naive. Like he can be impolite and generally uneducated but he’s very grown up in Z. He loves and cares about his family and friends. His interactions with Gohan are honestly very nice and the advice he gives are why I love Goku as a character.
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
@@noonnoon658 The joke is never about that, we all know why Chi-Chi hates the yellow hair, we all know he's not a bad dad. The joke is he is *genetically hardwired* into making all these baffling decisions. But I will say it's quite insulting that you invoke wives cheating on their husbands as a comparison. That is not okay by our "Western Standards." I prefer "human standards."
You can tell Goku is a good dad by his first meeting with Goten. He made Gohan the team captain of universe 7 simply because he acknowledged his strength and believed in him. He also accidentally put the world in more peril simply because he wanted Goten and Trunks to be able to save the world because he knew he wouldn't always be around.
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
In my opinion Goku has been one of the best examples of underserved slandering. The image of him is loved and inspired by all has been tarnished in recent years when literally jokes are being taken as facts. Butchering everything we loved about him and making it out to be a mockery. There are characters who are outright horrendous at times and unlikable (even if they're heroes) to where I'm wondering why do people gives these selfish characters a pass to do what they want yet Goku gets slandered for literally dying. And not to mention both times were to save his son. Goku may love battle and he may like to train he is also a lovable goofball, but to just make him out to be a literal manchild who can't take responsibility or saying he isn't good to his family is outrageous.
@@shawerful5209 yeah I agree. Dragon Ball Abridged did it's thing as a very fun project to show a humorous side to Dragon Ball, but I think people grew to view the parody's narratives as evidence or facts and projected it onto the actual canon series where hardly any of it was true. If anything
@@iamthestrong927dragon ball fans can’t read also they do take DBZA as the actual canon which is extreme brain rot they don’t even know the actual show or have even seen it
U know when u keep doing good things at ur job and working hard ur boss never notices, but as soon as u do 1 single thing wrong he’s instantly on ur ass? Yeah, I’m sure goku can relate to that
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
@@noonnoon658 dude you put this on the wrong comment stick to the comment up above where the dude was talking about dads not coming back with milk or whatever
They blame themselves too and want to say that while the joke was funny for the parody, it ruined the way fans view the franchise because Abridged Only people exist. The ones who jump in, miss a lot of context and then argue with their entire chests about plots and characterisations only to be wrong on several fronts because they had seen a comedic parody made into a love letter to a franchise that meant so much to those involved with it (to the point even Chris Sabat and Kyle Hebert got involved) and not the actual source materials.
"PiCcOlO iS A BeTtEr DaD THaN GokU!" bro he literally kidnaped him at 4 years old and left him alone in the wild to defend himself. And he didn't to it because he wanted to spend good quality time with Gohan, he did it because of two saiyans were about to destroy the earth and needed all the man power to defeat them. At the end of Z and throughout Super yeah, he is very much like an uncle to Gohan, But he's never done anything father-like stuff with Gohan.
look its simple, we don't know actually know if we're or somebody is a good father since people do good things but they also make mistakes. what we do is not be a good father but actually try to be one. piccolo and goku did that too, they made mistakes but they were also always there for gohan. my point is, neither goku nor piccolo are perfect (if you wanna debate who is a better father). they both are living beings, they make mistakes but that doesn't make them terrible at anything. i don't consider piccolo gohan's dad or anything, im just saying that, again both piccolo and goku have flaws. but so does everyone, fictional or not. that's just a fact of life
People accuse Goku of being a bad dad but seem to forget how terrible Vegeta was to Trunks both adult and kid Trunks all because of Vegeta's sacrifice while great still makes people forget just how bad of a father he really was.
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
@@noonnoon658I see it differently: Goku is a Saiyan. Bardock, Vegeta, King Vegeta, Paragus, and Goku are the only Saiyan fathers we see and they're all the same. They care about their kids growing up and being safe. They are genetically accustomed to believing in their kids more than the average MC. Bardock trusted that both his sons would survive and that one will avenge the Saiyans. King Vegeta made sure that Vegeta still has Nappa and that his other son was sent to a safe planet. Paragus stood up to the king and still went to live with Broly, even if it meant putting a collar on him to keep him from going Ape. Vegeta took time for him to finally understand that he does care for his Baby Boy and instantly for Daddy's Little Girl to the point that he's willing to help an alternate universe version of them, go on in shopping sprees, make sure they take their job as head of Capsule Corp seriously, and take them out of fights himself. Goku is a great Saiyan father, not having a job was making him a bum, but you'd think the world wouldn't forget that he took out the RR& Piccolo Sr&Jr. So you'd think he'd get a government check with some Kami money blessing
Bro, whenever I see someone call Goku a terrible dad I have to remind them that the man literally came back from the death twice and spends time with his sons, there are dads out there who don’t even come back with the milk, those are real bad dads 💀
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
@@noonnoon658 hey that’s actually a great explanation of cultural differences, honestly the western fanbase complains a lot about Goku not being a conventional dad, but come on, aside from him being an alien warrior who defends earth from other aliens and even gods, the guy was raised in the mountains and never got basic education, how are there people who really expect him to be the regular dad with some regular job and spend most of his time at home doing whatever? the guy saves the universe on a daily basis AND he’s officially a millionaire since Mr.Satan gave him those 30M so they aren’t short on money by any means, people just like to criticize while completely ignoring all the relevant details
@@guillehdz wait shieet I forgot that Goku was given all that money. I saw somebody talking about how Goku never got his reward for how many times he saved the planet/universe earlier.
@@guillehdz30 million doesn't last long between multiple Saiyans one meal for Goku as a kid cost a million and he's way hungrier since then and both kids have the same level of appetite
I guess people forgot that goku used to be alone in a short time after his grandpa gohan's death. Dude was still a kid, and he already surviving alone in the human world. That's one of the reasons why goku never used to taking care of his children even when we know he clearly love them. He doesn't know what it feels like to have a dad, let alone be one. I don't blame goku for that.
As much of a masterpiece DBZA was, it rotted a LOT of people's brains when it came to Goku's relationship with his son. Even Curtis (Takahata101, one of the lead writers of DBZA) said Goku, while imperfect, was a wonderful dad, and HE'S the one who pushed for those jokes to be made in the first place. Goku was ANYTHING but an uncaring neglectful father.
@@tarnw3301 Ignoring gohan mostly. That's just how he was written by TFS. Gohan constantly shows that he has issues with Goku not being there for him, complaining about Krillin & Bulma but saying "At least they're around!", then not hesitating to beat the shit out of Ginyu possessing Goku's body because he had major abandonment issues. Then the first time Gohan saw Goku in years since Namek, the first thing he does is tell Gohan "Imma go talk to this guy (Trunks)" and brushing off his protests by saying "Yeah cool". The only real time he spent with Gohan was in the Time Chamber, and that was just because Goku thought his son liked fighting like he did. Either way, he was written as a sort of absentee father and not there for Gohan when he needed to be.
@@tarnw3301there was tons of running jokes where Goku completely forgot he had a son, and the fact that DBZA was the main culprit behind the "Piccolo is Gohan's real dad" jokes. Like in Cooler's Revenge, after Cooler finishes ranting about his dad, Goku responds with "If I ever have a son, I'll treat him better." They really made it seem like Goku never really gave a shit about his family which while funny sometimes got annoying later on
@@Subpar1O1I actually have a hard time rewatching DBZA as a result. also I cant stand the fact that Kaisers response to people getting upset with them popularizing the joke is to go “we didn’t invent that joke” people most likely know about the joke because of DBZA. Own it Kaiser.
Although they started the trend, they made up for it on part 2 of Ep60, with Goku flat out telling Gohan he was sorry for wrongly assuming he was also into fighting, and he was trying to bond because that's all he knew and didn't take his son's wishes to just hang out with him instead of just training. Also his speech when about to die with Cell when he was about to explode really made him closer to the version on this video
14:00 love how even tho gohan is stronger than goku, but still decides to call him daddy. He still sees him as his dad, who's there to protect him. He said it when it mattered most, right before goku saved him one last time.
The greatest thing a father can do is believe in their son/daughter. And however little present he is, the moment he is it should memmorable. Goku did that in spades. Now great husband not so sure lmaoo
Super Goku? Probably not. But I think Z Goku should get some credit. He does love his wife. You can tell. He listened to her and respected her wishes when it came to Gohan being a scholar. He wasn't perfect, but he definitely wasn't bad.
Kinda reminded me of that episode when Goku got beaten up so badly by Great Ape Vegeta right after and ChiChi started running towards him but doesn’t care about Goku at the moment but only Master Roshi and Bulma. I like ChiChi and i really do but she built different 😭😭
He keeps his promises to get a job after finishing cell but he died and Buu saga happened so he did get a job when we was able to. Now I don't know why you think Goku is a human for some reason he is an alien that fight for living it's in there blood if Goku wants to fight it's because he is sayain nothing more
@@Eesar11 I mean he was treated well by Grandpa Gohan who’s a human and raised him since his parents died and there’s Raditz who is a Brother of Goku and told him everything about saiyan and you already know the rest about Saiyans and planet Vegeta but at the end of day he’s a saiyan from earth. Yes you’re right he’s battle hungry but keep it mind tho, he wants to fight strong opponents and it doesn’t matter if you’re a villain or heroes from different universes. Take an example of Dragon Ball Super, he was forced to work because ChiChi doesn’t want him to fight but if it was a life or death situation then she wants him to fight against that enemy like she’s the only one who could put him in check. Please don’t take offense, it’s my opinion
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Damn I did not expect this video to do this well thank you for the support
I like how this entire video is demolished by a ten second clip of Goku tossing a bean to Cell.
Humble beginnings 💯🔥
You’re surprised a video about a popular controversial opinion about the main character of kmf of the most iconic shows ever is doing well?
@mylessmith9758 I expect to get thousands, Not 10 of thousands
Wait, you use filler for your argument? Good luck.
Bad dad or not, him defying the laws of the afterlife to run Bojack’s fade to save his son is undeniably proof that he cares.
Kakarot took over and rocked that foo
@@UltraKingKdawg the whole "that wasn't Goku that was Kakarot" bs is cringe lmao goku isn't some schizo with 100000 personalities
@@lathrin Think about how he would have been if he didn't hit his head...now that's Kakarot
@lathrin True but giving Gogeta cat ears is insane and cringe by itself
Best bad dad. He tries, and that's what ultimately counts.
Dragon Ball fans explaining how literally dying for your son twice makes you a bad father:
Their only argument is that super dumbed down Goku to being a "bad father" and even if that's true he still had some moments with Gohan in dbs so idk why they even say that. And don't even get me started on the senzu bean situation???? He legit knew Gohan would turn into himhan and what would he get from fighting a weakened cell? That's right he WOULDN'T GET SHIT like wtf is this logic. Goku went out of his way to give Bojack the heavenly fade. I don't get it??? This is actually so stupid. He SACRIFICED HIMSELF TWICE HOW IS THIS BAD FATHER MENTALITY??? I'm beginning to think dbz fans did not watch the show and don't know what "sacrifice" means like goddamn this is the worst damn debate in dragon ball history.
you know what they said, just like how yugioh players dont read their cards, db fans dont watch their stuff @@Constell4tion3
@@Constell4tion3yup, plus if Goku gave Cell the bean, Cell would be more willing to take risks and be more confident
@@Constell4tion3 I 100 percent agree people who say goku is a bad father don't know the show at all sadly nowadays people don't pay attention to the family moments in the show that really matters if they would watch the those moments and pay attention to the those moment's they would understand
Goku saved krillen and gohan from nappa he fights vegeta technically had to transform into a great ape to beat a beat in up goku plus saved earth and the universe from frieza dbz fans now what there talking about it's sad
When did he die twice for Gohan? I haven’t seen Z since I was a kid and the series was never interesting enough for me to rewatch. But when he died fighting Raditz that wasn’t just for Gohan wasn’t it? Raditz taking Gohan was the catalyst for the fight but I thought him dying was just the only way to beat Radtiz and get rid of the threat. As for with Cell that also wasn’t just for Gohan, that was for the Planet. Also the whole reason they were in the predicament with Cell was because of him anyways.
I feel like people see Piccolo more positively as a father figure because he actually involved with Gohan and his sacrifice is more blatant. Piccolo never had to sacrifice himself for Naapa. As an audience we know Piccolo is seemingly more important than Gohan but he gave his life anyways. Piccolo even got a whole character arc and got closer to Gohan. Meanwhile Goku doesn’t really get something that huge.
Then later on Piccolo trains with Gohan in modern Dragonball, talks to Gohan, watched his child and then even trained with her a bit. Meanwhile Goku is always off even in his spare time just fighting some more. But Goku just is the type of guy to love fighting and values it more than being at home and with his family.
He sacrificed himself twice for his son, broke the rules of the afterlife for his son, never forced anything upon his son unless it was for his son’s own well-being, trusted in his son, took accountability for his and his son’s mistakes, supported his son through thick and thin, took pride in his son’s achievements, spent time with his son whenever he had the chance, made sure his son was safe no matter what, despised seeing his son be hurt and did everything in his power to minimize the damage, and did everything to make sure his son grew up to be a good child.
He wasn’t the best father, sure, but when you’re the literal guardian of Earth, this is more than enough to be a very good father.
Well said
Facts
I will also add that he always stayed close to Chichi unless he felt the need to be away for a while (like when I went off to train Uub to pass the baton). He was not a perfect husband, but he respected his wife's opinions far more than Vegeta did for a while. Goku became a farmer while Vegeta never bothered to find a job despite Bulma complaining about it to Gohan.
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I think people forget that Goku’s entire reasoning for fighting Raditz wasn’t to save the Earth or his pride, it was to save his son.
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Facts. He constantly says during the fight to give back Gohan. He stood up against someone who was way more powerful than him, and gave his life, just to save his son.
In tfs he just want to save his son, because chichi will kick his ass if dont. In the anime he wants to save his son because well, is his fucking son
Well his wife would have killed him if he came home without Gohan
Goku’s gotta get his back back luckily thats when Piccolo shows up, now Piccolo’s a saiyan just like raditz
Goku's greatest act as a father was preventing Chichi from naming him Archimedes.
Edit: Dragonball Z was dubbed by multiple Studios back in the day.
The one I watched had it where Chichi said Archimedes instead of Einstein.
lol
hahahahahahahahahahaha
"Archimedes, protect the animals and the nature that i loved"
not like fried rice isn't any better.
@@pizzaman2726 still better than Archimedes.
lmao
"you know what your mother would say if she was here, but since she's not" 😂😂😂 totally a dad thing
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Daym
Not in Kai
I legit read this the second he started saying it.
Rest In Peace, Akira Toriyama.
RIP
RIP to a king
I wonder who’ll write dragon ball super now
sasuke toriyama@@xticoola3275
Hopefully someone who doesn't make trashy anime.@@xticoola3275
Just... Goku’s expression when he figures out his son doesn't like fighting. Gives me the chills.
Goku: "I've made a terrible mistake"
Piccolo: "OH I mAdE a TErRiBLe MiStAKE" That's you!"
@@hailstorm_of_darkness1015that mean?
@@Tailsh12 Its from the DBZ Abridged videos from TFS
@@hailstorm_of_darkness1015 LMAO
Of course he likes fighting. He’s a Saiyan after all
“The power comes in response to a need, not a desire. You have to create that need.”
Actual life advice from Goku
And then Super came along and throws that advice out the window
@@beanik835it’s all about tingly backs now
Chichi: Full combos Goten
Goten: sees this quote
Goten goes Super Saiyan
Chichi: 👁👄👁
@@beanik835The funny thing is, none of that happened in the manga. Hell, Gohan's Super Saiyan transformation was just him powering up while being angry. Super threw out most of the content created by the anime, and used the manga as it's basis
replace power with oppourtuintity
An underrated part of Goku as a father, that I dont think is brought up alot, is his supportiveness of Gohan’s desire to be a scholar despite knowing his potential as a fighter.
Facts. I went to school with a few kids growing up that had a parent(s) that really wanted their kids to only have lifes around academics.
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Thats what a good parent does.Supports thier kid no matter what they want to do in life and Goku always encouraged him to be a scholar as he got older.He knows Gohans potential but he didnt force the fighting life onto him. If anything Gohan trained to protect his family and friends out of respect for his dad at times. Sure he got soft after the 7 year timeskip till the Buu Saga. But hey no threats were around during that time so of course he took it easy and lived his life and occasionally sparred with his little Brother Goten.
Tru. Better than what the Dragon Ball fan base has been saying about Gohan
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It makes sense. Academics have much more doors open and better chances at a life. Parents want their kids to live happily and comfortably
For a man who’s the main guardian of an entire planet, from a race of people not usually meant to care for their kids much at all. I’d say he did a damn good job.
R.I.P., Akira Toriyama. Thank you for giving us a legacy.
jit milking toriyama's death
@@OfficialWaterGunso cringe, giving condolences to someone is not “milking it” get a fucking life 😭
Who you talking to.
The fact that Gohan and Goten love their dad is a testament to Goku being a good father.
Exactly
No, it's not dude. People can love their bad parents due to Familiarity.
@@kap1618 someone's gonna dunked on you in just an hour
@@kap1618 then explain at what point there's definitive proof that Goku would disown them, smarty pants
@@PhilPhantomZSaber😑 The point kap made isn't whether Goku's a good or bad father, it's the fact that his sons' love doesn't prove that. Humans are known for loving abusive people.
In reading the comment I just assumed kap thinks Goku is a good dad, but I could be wrong, there's nothing to indicate either way.
This version of goku in dbz is actually a pretty deep guy. He isn’t so emotionless as they peg him to be. He values family and friendships just as much as martial arts. Outside of being a saiyan I think he realizes that martial art has brought him a whole circle of friends and family he didn’t have when he was alone as a child.
for real man, super potrays goku as someone with barely human feelings. he just fights people and stays on beerus' planet. he is never shown to be spending time with his friends and family. he didn't even attend the birthday party of his very first friend who showed and took him around the world, and because of her he doesn't live alone anymore; he's made so many friends, learned from many teachers and has a family of his own. even toriyama says that goku is a saiyan who only cares about fighting, training and eating. honestly with the way goku is now, i sometimes doubt/wonder if his family even likes him anymore and/or has mixed feelings for him
@@weirdface1846what? goku is shown spending time with goten at the beginning of the series and throughout the show. he didnt attend the birthday part sure, but post majin buu saga goku also hadnt visited bulma in five years in favor of training, so how is he any different?
@@superubergoober hm i had not thought about that, krillin also says how goku trains but doesn't visit anymore.
the difference is that goku not being there with his family in z is because it's circumstancial. he's always either dead or on another planet. at the beginning of z he was with gohan chi chi and ox king for 5 years, and three years with gohan prior to the androids arrival. while super goku is just like "oh parties? sure i could attend, but nah imma train bruh" of course. end of z goku also did the same thing...
but what i mean is he's mostly on beerus' planet (and so is vegeta). he's choosing to be there rather than being forced to be unavailable. in super, goku barely cared that he has a granddaughter and he just ran to beerus planet while in end of z, he was shown to be training pan and had a close bond with her
also if you say that he is shown to be with goten, i just feel like that happens offscreen mostly and when we see the story going on, he just goes to some planet or something. but i think you're right, he does spend time with goten, since goten loves goku unconditionally, which means goku and goten had father son moment and bonding in the 4 year timeskip.
but regardless, i just feel like super goku doesn't hang out with his friends and family than z goku does. he just had that one scene where he didn't see bulma and others for 5 years, but that happens during when dbs happens, and that line will probably be retconned
@@weirdface1846 well you could say z goku's absences are circumstancial, but super takes place within a few years, goku is almost constantly fighting some new threat, not to mention beerus. i do find it interesting you mention goku training with gohan though, as super goku shows a much better understanding of him. it was always weird to me that goku was fine with letting gohan fight buu, not even bringing up his dislike of fighting. whereas super goku apologizes when he had to fight. at the end of the day, toriyama always meant to portray goku as someone who is so pure in his desire to grow as a martial artist that he can be oblivious to everything else. looking at all the different media for dragonball (dubs, games, translations, etc) and seeing all the ways goku has been personified is quite unique. i do think z goku and super goku are more similar than people make them out to be, but everyone sees them in their own eyes so whatever. anyway, see you around, have a good day
@@superubergoober while it is true that goku is fighting threats in super too, im not gonna deny that, but it's not always immediately after the previous threat. when there's peace, he is on beerus' planet (but that also proves beneficial, as goku unlocked ssb which helped against golden frieza and top). in z, he was on earth training with gohan and piccolo before androids came during times of peace.
as for understanding gohan, i think you're right, and it was sweet of goku to understand his son. also in super anime, goku is fine with gohan not fighting at the universe 6 tournament because he's busy being a scholar, and goku's like "no worries, its alright, studying is important too" which was really nice. he did let gohan fight buu but he hand his hands full with majin vegeta.
i honestly think goku is one of those types of people who are "wants to spend time but too busy". many parents or friends can't make time for their loved ones because they're too busy. goku, as a martial artist is also busy training and improving, he is a fighter, a saiyan. but i don't believe that to be true. i don't think goku is so busy training that he can't make time, nor that he doesn't wanna. it's most likely just, as you said, so pure on pushing himself that he doesn't even realise he's not giving time to his friends and family. but i think he is, he is balancing both personal life and training life. there are different times for that. i just wish we got to see more moments of goku with his friends and family. he is with them, but only offscreen which gives people the wrong idea that goku doesn't give no shit about anyone, but that couldn't be further from the truth. i may have been wrong. again i wish we got to see more goku's normal life moments with the people he's close with.
regardless, see you and i hope you have a good day too
“He’s not a fighter like you, do you want to know what he’s thinking? He’s not thinking about strength or competition. He’s wondering why his fathers is standing there letting him die” was a goated line 😭
also the scene in the time chamber gohan is actively seeking a fight with goku when trying to become a super saiyan. saying that he doesnt need rest, saying goku needs to be serious. this scene is what gave goku the impression that gohan was like him even tho he wasnt
@daeide1234 yeah i can see that, this is actually a really good reason to justify his mindset all things considered, aside from all the battles and adventures Gohan willingly wanted to participate in on top of that.
@@Arichson Yeah, I agree. Goku may have screwed up big time, but after going back to the Cell saga a couple times, I came to better understand why Goku mistakenly thought his son Gohan liked fighting just like he did.
@@daeide1234Of course it would make Goku think THIS is what Gohan wanted.
But then at the heat of the moment Gohan just didn't have the heart to do it.
Goku genuinely fked up because he forgot Gohan is not like Goku was when he was a child (Kid Goku was an absolute menace)
Goku genuinely fucked up big time by misunderstanding his beloved son.
Team Four Star's joke about Goku being a terrible father and husband ruined a whole generation of people's perspective of Goku.
Hindsight’s 20/20 for TFS. They regret a LOT of their early choices, but unfortunately they couldn’t get those back and ultimately tried their best in the end to fix their mistake
That joke was around before team four star… do you think they invented that joke
Unfortunately i was also one of them, not until i read the manga. Its when i realized people should actually take their warning "This is a fan based PARODY" seriously.
@@BabyGirlTinyinvented? No. Popularized it to the point it became something people genuinely think now? Absolutely.
Akira Toriyama himself said that Goku is a bad father.
Hes not a perfect father, but he tried his damn best. I would love to have a dad who was as unconditionally supportive and loving as Goku, even if hes a bit dense.
No goki is from super what we are seeing now is goku
@@genesismultiverse4896 LMAO
@@genesismultiverse4896 pfft, you're not wrong!
@@genesismultiverse4896goki has joined the chat
Damn I love goki
I Never realized how often Goku calls Gohan Champ, or says things like “I’m proud of you.” DBZA has kinda overwritten most of the English dub in my head
Exactly the reason why i kinda hate it as a db parody
Its funny and a fun watch but it also became so big that it rewrites people's view on db despite alot of the jokes are over exaggerated
Also people use dbza as facts and not watch the og and will never listen to reasoning because it doesnt fit their view
And it really shows how much they hate goku despite the show being mostly about him and dragon balls
@@hamnporkgamer
It's FICTION people. Stop taking it so damn seriously
@@zaidkapadia6824 as much as it is ignoring that people do take it seriously is dumb
People that think that the abridge is closer to the canon do exist and just saying their fictional doesn't mean anything
Example:
People will still love war hammer 40k despite having rough details and will still argue that their universe' marines would reck other sci fi marines
With that being said because the abridge stained people's perception of the original dragon ball in ways such as goku being the worst father, vegeta being leagues better father than goku, goku being shit to his family, goku ignoring gohan's dreams and hobbies, piccolo being the better father without fault, chi chi being a nag or worst, gohan disliking fighting and such
Although as what i previously said I'm only a little annoyed at dba being the parody version because it became very big and saying that its fictional and ignoring people's passion and the fact that it changes people's perception and opinion of the original db is dumb
Like, nappa in dragon ball abridged is fucking hilarious, but in the anime he is the guy who killed half of the z fighters. But the abridged version is so more liked that people think that nappa its just a dumb strong guy, and he shouldnt appear in the games and give space to other characters
@@hamnporkgamerLiterally been saying this for years, I’m even seeing stupid videos like “Watching DBZA without watching DBZ” it’s ok to like it but most of those people thinking it’s the canon version
You know what else is terrible ? Akira Toriyama passing away. But legend never dies, his works shall lives on forever. Rest in Peace Akira Toriyama ✌🏻
9:24
"Being together is everything, that's all that really matters to me"
Damn that hit hard, props to the voice actor
The difference is Piccolo cares about Gohan's well being that he disregards Gohan's ability to fight Cell, but Goku actually believes in his son and thought he was destined to do great things. That's a trait of a good father to me, if you don't believe in your own son that just makes you a bad parent, Goku cares alot about Gohan too and obviously he doesn't want him to get hurt but Gohan is literally the only one who can fight Cell in that arc because of his hidden potential.
Piccolo disregarded Gohan’s fighting ability because he didn’t spend a year in the time chamber with a super Saiyan Gohan. He didn’t see Gohan nearly ascend to the next level like Goku.
Vegeta figured Gohan had great power due to Gohan being natural in his Super Saiyan state. But Piccolo looked at Gohan as a child even though Gohan was stronger than him at that point.
@SRT_DRE That's not true, listen to what Piccolo says to Goku while cell is torturing him again. Don't hate on Piccolo just because you're mad about people criticizing Goku
Both are good traits, It's important to Recognize your son's potential, but It's also important tò preserva their wellbeing
@SRT_DRE Here's the thing........ In a way Piccolo was right: Gohan doesn't not like fighting but Goku was right too because he spent a year with his son training and he knew that Gohan was the only person who could defeat Cell and save the world
Both Piccolo and Goku were right in that situation
@@Snailshroom No one is hating on piccolo as we all know that goku should have been a little more vocal about his actual plan to defeat cell as this is the only reason as to why gohan found and felt himself as truly alone in the battlefield but that was an ultimatum either way as literally each of the z fighter was surprised at gohan's strength when he came on to fight as a super saiyan so goku still wasn't wrong in his belief. Piccolo literally did the same thing that too with a 4 year old gohan who was kept sheltered even by his own parents just because of the urgency of the situation. Funny thing is in the end they both have to sacrifice themselves for that love to protect gohan while further playing their part in the character development of gohan and the whole relation dynamic as we saw him growing up from a mere child to an adult.
Now we need a video called "Goku isn't a hero. He just really likes fighting." That shows Goku every time he went out of his way to save people.
Well Goku isn’t a hero but he is a good guy, if he sees you or I in direct danger he’ll save us but he won’t ever go out of his way to save someone halfway across the planet just cause its the right thing to do like a hero would.
*Gives cell a senzu bean*
@@tnmblonewolf8799 I mean just because he isn't actively being Super-Man doesn't discount him from being a hero. If he weren't one then the entire Red Ribbon Army arc wouldn't really happen because Goku wouldn't go out of his way just to help some random native he just met bring their dad back to life. He's actively defending Earth and putting his life on the line for others. That's what a hero is.
Dude literally got to keep his body in the afterlife as reward for the life he lived protecting others. Not once but twice!
4:01
Point proven
The fact gohan had to force goku to actually fight him in the cell saga shows he cares. Goku was more willing to go easy on his son in fear of hurting him and risk the earth being destroyed
People took a DBZA joke too seriously and then reality changed for them. Goku is a great dad
Not even thinking about whether or not Goku's a good dad, this video just reminded me of how much I miss how Goku used to be written and we're probably never getting that back.
We might because Toriyama is coming back
Yeah the new dumber dbs goku ticks me off.
@@user-jm1nc7vb5fhe’s always been here? 💀
Yeah I really miss dbz goku, and in general the writing from dbz. A lot of what we see in super is purely fan service and filler rather than genuine characterization of the cast we appreciate so dearly. Maybe in the new show as opposed to introducing all these new forms and enemies, they can focus on giving us some more introspective on the characters. I would really love to see that and genuinely wouldn’t complain at all.
@@Eerie_bushe hasn't, Goku's been smarter in the manga (toriyama work), and the people for Super left out a lot of it
Considering Goku grew up as a Saiyan in the wilderness with fighting as his primary education, he has adapted remarkably well to life on Earth. He's not perfect but dammit Goku is not a bad dad. I would argue he's a great dad. Pay attention to those lessons he impacts on Gohan. He trains his son to defend himself, teaches him how to be persistent and work hard the right way, he teaches Gohan to believe in himself, to enjoy the small moments and so much more. Goku is also highly supportive of what Gohan wants to do in life and doesn't look down on him because he wants to be a scholar. A lot of people would wish they could have a present father like Goku.
This
If anything, people should get mad at how much Goku is owed by everyone. Goku took out the RR, singlehandedly as a kid and wasn't given any kind of reward for saving the world. Then he took out Demon King Piccolo and gang, after they started killing fighters and publicly threaten the world. After, he fought Piccolo Jr. at the WMAT live to the whole world, because Protector of Earth Kami wasn't capable, and apparently neither the WG or Kami could give Goku other than the Prize money he won. Gokus been cheated several times by the Ox King who only sends money, instead of giving Goku some farming land/farmers so he can be self sustainable with his family. Why doesn't King Kai help Goku find space plants or valuables, knowing how difficult it is to keep a Saiyan and support one, let alone a family that constantly helped him solve his problems (Frieza, Cell, Buu). In Super, Ox King can't afford to help, so Goku has to start farming, which he could've already been doing. Hercule&Bulma, neither have helped Goku repair his home, get better amenities, cover his purchases, or give him some extra cash for the countless times he's saved them and the world, and Gokus the reason why Vegeta survived the first encounter that led to Bulma getting married. The literal King of the Universe saw Goku fight for their universe, and didn't send him anything as thanks! Goku is the most shafted MC in anime
Nah I think it'd rather have a dad that didn't put the weight of the galaxy on my shoulders at 10 years old and just leaves his family to train for months or years at a time.
@afrofriend9140 all these things youve listed are things 95% of the fathers wouldve done if they were in gokus shoes, goku isnt retarded he just lacks societal norms yet he never tried to apply himself for his family (during the time he was alive) nor did he ask mr satan if he could help out with money since he took credit for killing cell, he tried to bribe the elder kai in the buu saga with gohans girlfriend, talking more with gohan/goten from the afterlife clearly wouldnt have been a problem considering the things hes done for the universe
also gohan wants to be a scholar? gohan doesnt even know himself what he wants thats why everyone else tells him what he wants (chichi: a scholar, goku/piccolo: a fighter etc.) the final straw that broke gohans back to reach SSJ2 was seeing the head of an android getting crushed by cell - the android he has never spoken to or seen before and not the friends/family he knew since years getting beat up
@@vapingfury4460 that s fine and all in a realistic setting, but if goku did not make Gohan fight Cell, they would all die horribly
7:40 the IQ that goku has is incredible
I miss his IQ
12:06 I actually love how you even include the part of Goku's mistake of throwing Gohan to Cell so carresly and Piccolo scolding Goku for it. While this is one of the worst mistakes Goku did in DBZ this is also pretty understandable if you think about how Goku was like growing up, he thought Gohan needed to experience similar things he did so Gohan could get stronger. And I'm glad how Goku realized his mistake and tried to sacrifice himself to save them instead of pushing Gohan again
Piccolo told goku that Gohan is not a fighter like him but in super heroes Piccolo is mad that Gohan has neglected his training
@@professorchaos5058 training and putting your life on the line are different. Piccolo has been kicking gohans ass since he was a toddler
Was it a mistake? I mean Gohan did beat him
@@thribs It looked like one at first. In the end though, Goku was right to believe in his son. I think Goku's mistake was thinking that his son Gohan loved fighting as much as he does. But as Piccolo pointed out, Gohan doesn't.
Same. Goku may not be the brightest star in the sky and he might not be the best father in the world, but at least he's capable of understanding where he went wrong in his parenting and try to learn from his mistakes. 😊 Have you noticed that Goten never gets dragged into anything after The Buu saga with the exception of helping Goku ascend to Super Saiyan God? And aside from the Tournament of Power, Gohan wasn't dragged into Goku's dangerous missions anymore either. In fact, I think there was the tournament between universes 6 and 7 that he wanted to take part in, but couldn't due to a conference. But Goku was perfectly fine with that(well, at least in the anime). 😊
The same people hating on Goku praise Piccolo for kidnapping a child, starving him, and beating him.
Stockholm Syndrome personified.
But how do you know that? Followed their posts and made stats?
@@TheOmegaAlfa they usually put it together in one post
lol!!
😂😂, Goku is amazing, but Piccolo is a great Father !, The Hell with y'all
@@rarashamash1216"piccolo is a great father" that's a kidnapper. And that's not even his son so he can't be considered a father.
Its amazing to see the "bad father" alligations ease up on goku
Standards have gone down these days. No matter what this video shows, Goku has always been absent, and is only around when a bad guy needs to be fought.
@@NitroRonin23 because he was literally dead? Whenever he's alive he's always with his family, for God's sake he spent an ENTIRE YEAR STRAIGHT the chamber with his son.
@@NitroRonin23watch the video pls u ignorant tard
You think forcing your son into a life or death situation for no other reason then your own ego (yes, it was ego, dads spouting "I believed in my kid" in those situations are out for themselves when the child is LITERALLY distressed about the ordeal). Fucking hell, you people are actually allowed to procreate and that's frieghtening.
@@NitroRonin23 You when Goku was LITERALLY DEAD and could not see his family while HE WAS DEAD: 😠😠
Thanks akira toriyama for everything u did for us fans ❤️
We won't forget about u
The people that say he’s a bad father are
A: abridged fanboys
B: Only watched Super
"Goku is a bad dad!"
-Named him after his Grandpa
-Allows Chi Chi first dibs at education instead of martial arts
-Chases after Raditz(and Garlic Jr) and teams up with Piccolo for his kids sake with no hesitation
-Encourages him to become a better version of himself, to where Gohan has to push Goku to take the training wheels off and Ki blast him full force
-Senzu beans Cell to show Gohan how much faith he has in him, rather than what's stake.
-Comes to his senses when it all hits the fan
-Corrects his mistakes via sacrifice, in the same way Itachi did Sasuke, to leave a successor that can "apologize and take care of your mother."
-Comes back not just for Bojack, but for Broly AND Cell.
People hating 😂
Not just hating, but projecting as well 💀
Bojack is the only movie before Battle of Gods to not contradict canon material, and filler is... Questionable in terms of how much or how little of it can be considered a legitimate part of his character. Nevermind dubs making Goku like Superman in Z.
But even in the manga, Goku is still nowhere as bad as people make him out to be.
He might not be a great parent by HUMAN standards, but by Saiyan standards he's an amazing parent.
"here son, let me make the situation for you worse for you, and by extension the entire earth on purpose. that is how much faith i have put into you!
@@7fatrats like I said, bad by human standards, but pretty good by Saiyan standards.
But then again we don't exactly have a large list of other Saiyans to compare to. We have him, Prince Vegeta (who gets better at it starting with the Buu saga), King Vegeta, Z Paragus, Super Paragus, Father of Goku special Bardock and Dragonball Minus Bardock.
The difference for Paragus and Bardock being that their respective"canon" and "non-canon" depictions seem a bit different from each other, especially Bardock.
There's no defending the Senzu bean thing though. Everything else is right but the Senzu incident is stupid no matter how you look at it.
“My son needs me” is one of the hardest dbz movie moments oat
Goku was fully willing to box King Kai
Sad but grateful to know a great series like Dragon Ball. I'll never forget my childhood days, watching Dbz in the golden afternoons after coming home or watching during dinner. Actually Dragon Ball is not only a part of my childhood but it is a part of my life. I'll never stop watching or reading the most beloved work created by Akira Toriyama. Rest in peace in the afterlife that is amazing as the one you've created.
Thank you for including Goku throwing a senzu to Cell. He is sort of a father to him and it was very fatherly behavior.
I think the scene with him right after turning super saiyan is heavily underrated. It’s incredibly rare that we ever see goku act or even acknowledge his authority, in general. And it’s genuinely important as a parent to establish/maintain that level of authority with your children, or else they’ll start to act off and potentially put themselves at risk.
Not to mention, the fact that in this moment goku is surging with the most power he’s ever had, and rather than using that power as leverage and threatening gohan, the only reason he gives to listen to him is “i’m your father.” Which signals that it’s still goku that’s firmly in control and capable to act rationally in a state that could potentially be dangerous to others if he couldn’t
"Oh, but authority bad."
@@vizzyboi1829God damn softies.
@user-qd5lb7qr8z actually adhering to authority is called being a cuck. If authority is what's stopping someone from doing bad things then they have some fundamental issues.
I could feel the dad energy from that scene
I find it funny af that after having fun “it does take a lot of energy right? It takes up a lot of energy right…” *prowler theme*
7:32 Goku’s face was like: “You BETTER not say that shit was easy” 😂
😂😂
His voice even went lower in pitch
LMAO
😂😂
@@realsupernova222The short pause made it even better lol
3:43
Bro let himself get hit to try and save his son, hes NOT a bad father.
+1
How is bro supposed to be a good day when he’s saving his family, friends, the planet, galaxies and universe every second 💀
For an orphan alien who has brain damage and a heritage of destruction
Goku is surprisingly a good dad all things considered 😂
Brain damage?
@@michaelw2797 he fell down from a cliff when he was a kid after Old Man Gohan found him from the wild and he hit his head in the rock pretty hard. his violent nature was gone after that and he became a very good kid ever since.
@@eetfuk3571 Thank you.
Yeah its only really mentioned once, but there’s always been a reason goku lacked the naturally violent nature of other saiyans.
Not to mention the only things taught to him was martial arts and be nice to women
I'm kinda happy more and more people are giving Goku a little more respect as a father as the years go by. He ain't perfect, doesn't mean he never cared for his family!
I still don't see Goku giving Cell a senzu bean a "bad parenting". it was Goku proving a point to literally everyone including Cell that Goku's prediction on Gohan beating Cell will never be proven wrong, and yet he was and still is right. the moment Goku gave someone a senzu, you know Goku has the upperhand. *cough cough, Moro*
@@eetfuk3571That and most of dragon ball villains try a suicide attack or blow the earth when they are loosing
@@plaicbell9586 true except Kid Buu who didn't resorted to a suicidal attack since he immediately used it in his wake.
@@eetfuk3571I actually find it insane Goku knew without a doubt he’d still beat Moro even after the senzu, and Moro literally broke his hand trying to backstab him
@@eetfuk3571it kinda was a suicidal attack but buu was fully capable of regenerating from it
Aint no way bro was talking to an animal and especting it to talk back 💀
The only thing Goku has ever done is believe in his sons abilities to do great things
5:45 "You're the best dad in the whole world!"
Gohan broke them allegations
Akira Toriyama said it himself
@@BabyGirlTinySaid what?
"Don't F # ck with the Dragon ball fans, We didn't watch our show"
Facts😂
I thought it was “Don’t F#ck with Dragon Ball fans they can’t read”
Couldn't read that so they made a new one
Touhou Fans: Ah, I see! Fellow men of culture!
"YOU! HIS FATHER! WHO SPENDS HALF OF HIS TIME TRAINING, AND THE OTHER HALF DEAD! USUALLY BOTH!"
-Gohans 2nd dad
for someone who probabally didn' have a very stable family life as a kid, he's a really good father.
As a man dat grew up watchin' Dragon Ball, whose dad was killed, Goku's line about memories keepin Gohan & Goku close made me tear up in seconds. My dad wasn't a good person, but he was a good dad to me. RiP to all da loved ones.
I'm sorry for your loss man
Sorry for your loss
my condolences
I'm sure your dad still loves you and you're probably doing him proud. I wish you the best man
@@unbornking18you are from bepo pirates
As much as I love dbz abridged, it’s kinda what started the whole Goku a bad father stigma
I’ve seen it around BEFORE dbza if anything it fueled it but they even said “we are making jokes”
@@nezukokamado46I’m pretty sure team four star says that it’s their fault for all the “goku is a bad stuff” it may of been around before but it got a lot worse
@@DumbRairyuu they do commentary and they say “DO NOT WATCH abridged before watching the actual anime” and that they fueled but they say “the bad dad goku jokes are not canon do not accept them as canon”
The Abridged authors pretty much said "look, we made the Goku's a bad dad jokes because the community was already doing that too, and we accidentally fueled people taking it seriously. Goku is a dumbass, but he earnestly cares for his son."
@@theendersmirk5851 I do appreciate they at least tried to make up for it with the ending of the Cell Arc.
But people will change the context of every one of these scenes and remove Goku weeping and breaking reality for his son multiple times so they can feed the narrative that Goku’s a bad dad. He just not a perfect dad. He’s a man trying to raise his son under extraordinary circumstances and has his shortcomings. Doesn’t make him a bad father.
RIP akira toriyama
goku is not a terrible dad. but piccolo has some amazing qualities as an alternative father figure, mentor, and extremely close friend to gohan. i love them both.
yeah, dropping in a forrest for six months to fend for himself
lol true, but that was while he was still evil and had a variety of character elements of his father, Demon King Piccolo. Gohan is what warmed his heart and caused him to turn it around, Gohan was the first person to not treat him like he was a monster. He was gradually become less Stoic over the years from how much of an impact Gohan left on him, leading to him becoming gradually more domesticated. This dude took an annihilating blast from an elite saiyan and sacrificed himself for the 4-5 year old child. It definitely wasn't the most logical move as it's the whole reason the Namek arc happened, but he had pure love in his heart.@@Sly9192
@@Sly9192TO BE FAIR, it was still early on in Piccolo's development so of course he's gonna be an asshole still
Ah yes, and it all began with kidnapping
ahh. Humble beginnings.
He lacks some elements of being a good father, but his love is true and genuine.
His Grandpa Gohan died when he was very young so he doesn't know how to be a 'father' aslo Chichi practically took charge of Gohan's upbringing.
@@randomkitty2555and his mother gine in the broly movie stated that it’s unlikely for a saiyan to care for his child so goku is literally doing better at parenting than 90% of saiyan dads
@@randomkitty2555absolutely
No matter what, those Saiyan fathers are still good fathers, at the very least
People saying goku not a good father for not being with gohan and always left him with chichi to grow, but when your job is to save the world, that's the sacrifice needed to be made even for people irl, so yeah he's may not be with gohan a lot of times but he sure make it precious every time he's around gohan
He's not the best father, rarely anyone is. He's a good father and not a bad one. Go and ponder that for a moment. For someone with his upbringing and race id argue he's an amazing father!
Goku did alright for a dude that experienced severe brain trauma as a baby and then squashed his father figure before puberty.😂
Thank you for this!! So nice to see Goku finally being appreciated for the loving father he truly is.
If dying 2 times just for the well-being of your son is being a bad father, and throwing children into mountains, leaving them alone with dinosaurs and beating them up personally and somehow letting that go by as "training" is being a good father, then the perspective of reality of that person is kind of screwed.
Absolutely. All the people who say “Piccolo was there more than Goku” are idiots who completely either forget or disregard the circumstances surrounding why that’s the case.
@@GameKnight404 Don't mess with us Dragon Ball fans. We haven't even watched our own show/read our own manga.
@@genarftheunfuni5227 lol have heard and said that myself a few to many times. Though it’s sadly never stopped being true….
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
@@genarftheunfuni5227 and we take what happens in the abridged version more seriously than the actual shows and movie
9:18 is one of my favorite moments in dragonball period. Just the ambience of the scene and Goku’s delivery really hammers home what the stakes are and how he feels in the moment. I knew Goku was never really a bad dad, sure he does do some questionable things, but you also gotta remember that he was raised in the wild as a sayan. No one’s perfect, but you can tell that he’s trying his best with this line. I like super a lot, but I wish Goku was this mature more often in it, especially in the tournament of power arc.
if we talk about manga super goku is mature in moro arc and granola arc the most
Also, people forget that compared to Saiyan nature, Goku is actually one of the best fathers out there. Paragus used his son just to inflate his ego and get revenge. Same with Vegeta with Future/Present trunks and didn't give a shit about the former until he was bleeding out and dying to cell and present timeline trunks until he had to sacrifice himself against buu, and even then, he stated he never hugged his son at all or even took notice of him. Unlike Goku, who he actually spent four years with gohan before Raditz' arrival, and hugged goten for the first time. Vegeta was a terrible parent throughout the entirety of Z. Bardock himself was a deadbeat as in games it was implied that Bardock didn't care much about Raditz and blatantly favored Goku. In the DBS manga, Bardock never even saw Goku until frieza literally blew up his planet. In Z, he couldn't care less about Goku until future sight made him see goku confronting Frieza. King Vegeta was a shit parent to Tarble and sent his son away because he was disgusted with his level of power like Vegeta.
These Goku is terrible dad arguments are so pathetically bad to downright laughable when put under scrutiny. These people think Vegeta was a good dad when he didn't care about his future and present timeline son until GT and DBS and towards the end of Z. They just hyperfocus on goku and think he's a terrible parent when they ignore the other characters' flaws because it's much easier to plug your ears and headcanon bullshit into what they think instead of what is shown on screen or page. It's much easier to not admit your favorite character has any flaws
yall seem to forget sayains usually send their newborn children to distant planets by them selves. For a sayain Goku is a pretty great dad.
Stephanie Nadolny does a great job of portraying Gohan without sounding exactly like Goku from Dragon Ball Z! She is Very talented!
I miss her so much. I love Goten's VA but I would have loved her voicing him too.
Some of these moments can drive a grown man to tears. When you pay close attention to Goku and Gohan's relationship, you can see they care for each other immensely.
A father who supports his son and would fight tooth and nail for him while simultaneously owning up to his and his son's mistakes is very commendable.
And a son who listens to his father while trying to uphold his good values and improve upon them is a bond that nothing can break.
This Father-Son Duo is probably one of the most inspiring and powerful bonds in media.
I really appreciate how well the two blend together when the chips are down.
People constantly bring up the Cell Saga Senzu bean arc as if that shit ruins Goku's entire character but conveniently forget Vegeta's stupid overconfident ass is the one that let Cell reach perfect in the first place by stopping Trunks. People only remember Krillin refusing to blow her up, but if Vegeta didn't fuck around SS Trunks was already about to annihilate Semi Perfect Cell.
6:05 Goku: So, you’re saying, that I should go at you like I did Freiza?
Gohan: Wait, What?
It's sad that even Akira Toriyama himself forgot about the good traits of Goku as father.
True now dbs is just a goku vegeta show😭
Well, Gohan is an adult and when Goku isn't training, he is with Pan and Goten a lot. We don't necessarily need to see these moments as proof anymore
He also seems to forget Goku does have intelligence
@@chrisshrader3404 how couldn't he? He wrote him to think marriage was some sort of food
@user-kh4mb9mr9o to be fair that's more uneducated than fully dumb lol
he literally sacrifice his life twice for gohan tf they mean he's a bad father 💀
I don’t even know man lol.
It's bc tfs why people think goku is a bad father
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i don't think tfs is the reason, like ppl know it's not canon dialogues
@@Yupppii but I had people use tfs to help them on y goku is a bad father
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well idk about that tbh, in tfs they show goku as a dumb father more that a bad, like in the cell abridged saga etc
Lets not forget that goku took a 2 year break from training after marrying chichi where all he did was raise Gohan.
“😠 I said where did you get it”
The thing with Goku is that he is very naive. Like he can be impolite and generally uneducated but he’s very grown up in Z. He loves and cares about his family and friends. His interactions with Gohan are honestly very nice and the advice he gives are why I love Goku as a character.
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
@@noonnoon658 The joke is never about that, we all know why Chi-Chi hates the yellow hair, we all know he's not a bad dad.
The joke is he is *genetically hardwired* into making all these baffling decisions.
But I will say it's quite insulting that you invoke wives cheating on their husbands as a comparison. That is not okay by our "Western Standards." I prefer "human standards."
@@noonnoon658nah,cope harder yellow man
You can tell Goku is a good dad by his first meeting with Goten. He made Gohan the team captain of universe 7 simply because he acknowledged his strength and believed in him. He also accidentally put the world in more peril simply because he wanted Goten and Trunks to be able to save the world because he knew he wouldn't always be around.
Man if I had a nickel for every time Goku leaves it up to someone else because he "won't always be around"
You’d have 3. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened thrice.
@@DaltonGrundy-kx6fj it just shows to go ya
@@DaSquyd well at the time he wasn’t going to be dumbass
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
Super saiyan mullet gohan went hard
That ending cracked me up man! Great video
In my opinion Goku has been one of the best examples of underserved slandering. The image of him is loved and inspired by all has been tarnished in recent years when literally jokes are being taken as facts. Butchering everything we loved about him and making it out to be a mockery. There are characters who are outright horrendous at times and unlikable (even if they're heroes) to where I'm wondering why do people gives these selfish characters a pass to do what they want yet Goku gets slandered for literally dying. And not to mention both times were to save his son. Goku may love battle and he may like to train he is also a lovable goofball, but to just make him out to be a literal manchild who can't take responsibility or saying he isn't good to his family is outrageous.
only idiots think that "Memes = Reality", im blaming TFS for perpetuating this sh*t
I think its because of dragon ball abridged, its a parody but people think that its just how the series is, but less self aware
@@shawerful5209 yeah I agree. Dragon Ball Abridged did it's thing as a very fun project to show a humorous side to Dragon Ball, but I think people grew to view the parody's narratives as evidence or facts and projected it onto the actual canon series where hardly any of it was true. If anything
@@Douio That'd be pretty odd considering they say at the start of every episode that it's a " *Fan-Based Parody* "
@@iamthestrong927dragon ball fans can’t read also they do take DBZA as the actual canon which is extreme brain rot they don’t even know the actual show or have even seen it
U know when u keep doing good things at ur job and working hard ur boss never notices, but as soon as u do 1 single thing wrong he’s instantly on ur ass? Yeah, I’m sure goku can relate to that
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
@@noonnoon658what the fuck are you talking about
@@noonnoon658 dude you put this on the wrong comment stick to the comment up above where the dude was talking about dads not coming back with milk or whatever
especially since you copied and pasted it over@@noonnoon658
Thank you for making this!!!
i blame team 4star for this narrative
They blame themselves too and want to say that while the joke was funny for the parody, it ruined the way fans view the franchise because Abridged Only people exist. The ones who jump in, miss a lot of context and then argue with their entire chests about plots and characterisations only to be wrong on several fronts because they had seen a comedic parody made into a love letter to a franchise that meant so much to those involved with it (to the point even Chris Sabat and Kyle Hebert got involved) and not the actual source materials.
"PiCcOlO iS A BeTtEr DaD THaN GokU!" bro he literally kidnaped him at 4 years old and left him alone in the wild to defend himself. And he didn't to it because he wanted to spend good quality time with Gohan, he did it because of two saiyans were about to destroy the earth and needed all the man power to defeat them. At the end of Z and throughout Super yeah, he is very much like an uncle to Gohan, But he's never done anything father-like stuff with Gohan.
look its simple, we don't know actually know if we're or somebody is a good father since people do good things but they also make mistakes. what we do is not be a good father but actually try to be one. piccolo and goku did that too, they made mistakes but they were also always there for gohan.
my point is, neither goku nor piccolo are perfect (if you wanna debate who is a better father). they both are living beings, they make mistakes but that doesn't make them terrible at anything. i don't consider piccolo gohan's dad or anything, im just saying that, again both piccolo and goku have flaws. but so does everyone, fictional or not. that's just a fact of life
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didn't Piccolo also throw him into a mountain- 😭
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Tbh Goku is a fine dad but ain't a great one, Toriyama said
The fact that goku knew he didnt stand a chance and still ran the fade first against cell is incredible
8:52 best wallpaper image
Rip toriyama 😔
People accuse Goku of being a bad dad but seem to forget how terrible Vegeta was to Trunks both adult and kid Trunks all because of Vegeta's sacrifice while great still makes people forget just how bad of a father he really was.
Goku casually beating the bad father allegations
Such allegation was way weaker than Goku to begin with
Goku solos an allegation
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
@@noonnoon658I see it differently: Goku is a Saiyan. Bardock, Vegeta, King Vegeta, Paragus, and Goku are the only Saiyan fathers we see and they're all the same. They care about their kids growing up and being safe. They are genetically accustomed to believing in their kids more than the average MC. Bardock trusted that both his sons would survive and that one will avenge the Saiyans. King Vegeta made sure that Vegeta still has Nappa and that his other son was sent to a safe planet. Paragus stood up to the king and still went to live with Broly, even if it meant putting a collar on him to keep him from going Ape. Vegeta took time for him to finally understand that he does care for his Baby Boy and instantly for Daddy's Little Girl to the point that he's willing to help an alternate universe version of them, go on in shopping sprees, make sure they take their job as head of Capsule Corp seriously, and take them out of fights himself. Goku is a great Saiyan father, not having a job was making him a bum, but you'd think the world wouldn't forget that he took out the RR& Piccolo Sr&Jr. So you'd think he'd get a government check with some Kami money blessing
Make Goku Great Again
This is a really good video thank you
14:35 Bro literally dipped his son like that 💀
Bro, whenever I see someone call Goku a terrible dad I have to remind them that the man literally came back from the death twice and spends time with his sons, there are dads out there who don’t even come back with the milk, those are real bad dads 💀
don't buy your westernize standards on eastern anime,because in the west a lot of fathers leave their sons ,so western fan base see goku absence as problem,thats so many wifes in west leave and cheat on thair husband because he gone for work or being a soldier,on the other hand on eastern culture if guy leave his family for work or trianing or war (in the past times and now) it consder honer and he is good guy,thats why you see chichi never hated or complain about goku leaveing ,she was just the money to run the house hold thats why she told goku allways to goku to work or get a jop , its never about leaveing her or thair son
People also ignore the fact there are literal years in time gaps when Goku is alive and is with his family.
@@noonnoon658 hey that’s actually a great explanation of cultural differences, honestly the western fanbase complains a lot about Goku not being a conventional dad, but come on, aside from him being an alien warrior who defends earth from other aliens and even gods, the guy was raised in the mountains and never got basic education, how are there people who really expect him to be the regular dad with some regular job and spend most of his time at home doing whatever? the guy saves the universe on a daily basis AND he’s officially a millionaire since Mr.Satan gave him those 30M so they aren’t short on money by any means, people just like to criticize while completely ignoring all the relevant details
@@guillehdz wait shieet I forgot that Goku was given all that money. I saw somebody talking about how Goku never got his reward for how many times he saved the planet/universe earlier.
@@guillehdz30 million doesn't last long between multiple Saiyans one meal for Goku as a kid cost a million and he's way hungrier since then and both kids have the same level of appetite
I guess people forgot that goku used to be alone in a short time after his grandpa gohan's death. Dude was still a kid, and he already surviving alone in the human world. That's one of the reasons why goku never used to taking care of his children even when we know he clearly love them. He doesn't know what it feels like to have a dad, let alone be one. I don't blame goku for that.
You bring up a really good point of course he doesn't know how to completely be a dad he was all alone in the world after his Grandpa died
This is great 🥰 Need the extended version with Goten clips.
People who say this either have only ever watched abridged or confuse abridged with the real deal.
9:09 Goku really did fulfil his promise.
P.S At start of Z, Goku promised Gohan that they will go fishing together someday.
6:35 Notice how Goku is completely silent, he DOESN'T WANT to hurt his son, but if he doesn't push then Cell will destroy the Earth.
Hey man🙂😌,thanks for giving us this video, 🙇❤🔥!
DBZ Abridged did his character so dirty 😂
As much of a masterpiece DBZA was, it rotted a LOT of people's brains when it came to Goku's relationship with his son. Even Curtis (Takahata101, one of the lead writers of DBZA) said Goku, while imperfect, was a wonderful dad, and HE'S the one who pushed for those jokes to be made in the first place.
Goku was ANYTHING but an uncaring neglectful father.
What did DBZA Goku do worth being labeled a "bad father"?
@@tarnw3301 Ignoring gohan mostly. That's just how he was written by TFS. Gohan constantly shows that he has issues with Goku not being there for him, complaining about Krillin & Bulma but saying "At least they're around!", then not hesitating to beat the shit out of Ginyu possessing Goku's body because he had major abandonment issues.
Then the first time Gohan saw Goku in years since Namek, the first thing he does is tell Gohan "Imma go talk to this guy (Trunks)" and brushing off his protests by saying "Yeah cool". The only real time he spent with Gohan was in the Time Chamber, and that was just because Goku thought his son liked fighting like he did.
Either way, he was written as a sort of absentee father and not there for Gohan when he needed to be.
@@tarnw3301there was tons of running jokes where Goku completely forgot he had a son, and the fact that DBZA was the main culprit behind the "Piccolo is Gohan's real dad" jokes. Like in Cooler's Revenge, after Cooler finishes ranting about his dad, Goku responds with "If I ever have a son, I'll treat him better." They really made it seem like Goku never really gave a shit about his family which while funny sometimes got annoying later on
@@Subpar1O1I actually have a hard time rewatching DBZA as a result. also I cant stand the fact that Kaisers response to people getting upset with them popularizing the joke is to go “we didn’t invent that joke”
people most likely know about the joke because of DBZA. Own it Kaiser.
Although they started the trend, they made up for it on part 2 of Ep60, with Goku flat out telling Gohan he was sorry for wrongly assuming he was also into fighting, and he was trying to bond because that's all he knew and didn't take his son's wishes to just hang out with him instead of just training. Also his speech when about to die with Cell when he was about to explode really made him closer to the version on this video
Goku is truly an amazing father.
Agreed.
😊❤
Spoken like a fatherless loser...
Totally
The others who says that he is a "bad father" they forgot about THIS moments
I wouldn’t say he’s “amazing”. He just tries his best and does what he knows how.
Rip Akira Toriyama, thanks for making one of the greatest franchises and characters ever made
As someone who’s only seen clips of the original DBZ and only watched DBS, I’m genuinely surprised how warm and supportive Goku was as a dad.
14:00 love how even tho gohan is stronger than goku, but still decides to call him daddy. He still sees him as his dad, who's there to protect him. He said it when it mattered most, right before goku saved him one last time.
Also saved him in the buu saga . But we don't talk about the buu saga.
@@abdalrrahimwhy. The buu saga was good not as good as the others but still great
The greatest thing a father can do is believe in their son/daughter. And however little present he is, the moment he is it should memmorable. Goku did that in spades.
Now great husband not so sure lmaoo
Super Goku? Probably not. But I think Z Goku should get some credit. He does love his wife. You can tell. He listened to her and respected her wishes when it came to Gohan being a scholar. He wasn't perfect, but he definitely wasn't bad.
Kinda reminded me of that episode when Goku got beaten up so badly by Great Ape Vegeta right after and ChiChi started running towards him but doesn’t care about Goku at the moment but only Master Roshi and Bulma. I like ChiChi and i really do but she built different 😭😭
He keeps his promises to get a job after finishing cell but he died and Buu saga happened so he did get a job when we was able to. Now I don't know why you think Goku is a human for some reason he is an alien that fight for living it's in there blood if Goku wants to fight it's because he is sayain nothing more
@@Eesar11 I mean he was treated well by Grandpa Gohan who’s a human and raised him since his parents died and there’s Raditz who is a Brother of Goku and told him everything about saiyan and you already know the rest about Saiyans and planet Vegeta but at the end of day he’s a saiyan from earth. Yes you’re right he’s battle hungry but keep it mind tho, he wants to fight strong opponents and it doesn’t matter if you’re a villain or heroes from different universes. Take an example of Dragon Ball Super, he was forced to work because ChiChi doesn’t want him to fight but if it was a life or death situation then she wants him to fight against that enemy like she’s the only one who could put him in check. Please don’t take offense, it’s my opinion
@@ThyArtIsCrackHe respected her wishes but chi chi never respected his wishes, something ain't rigth 🗿
Rip Akira 😭
2:26 its funny that in brasillian dub this part is basically:
"hey Gohan, oh no, he's neck is broken, but that doesnt matter"