BDRMs? Do you mean the Soviet " Boyevaya Razvedyvatelnaya Dozornaya Mashina" aka "Combat Reconnaissance Patrol Vehicle" - I assume you mean crew served weapons that were on it? or am I an idiot who doesn't know their acronyms - an IWDKTAs if you will...
@@vaclavjebavy5118 Not really, I had to dig in pretty deep for that acronym; the acronym we use here (assuming it's actually what he meant) is "CRPV'" and was legit asking if that's what he was talking about. Despite claims to the contrary, people in the US are actually more polyglotal than the rest of the world assumes but not when it comes to Eastern European language acronyms; just as an example, the term "Rocket Propelled Grenades" (RPG's) originated from us in the US making shit up to "make sense" of the actual Russian Acronym of Ruchnoy Protivotankovy Granatomyot, which means something like "hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher." So yeah when I asked if that's what he meant, I actually was asking what he meant.
@@bryanl1984 BRDM is not a general purpose acronym, it's a specific series of vehicles, and used pretty much only in reference to them. Besides, part of your question was whether he meant "BRDM mounted" which is obviously not the case given " defeat BRDMs with rifle fire..."
I couldn't like this fast enough. Really nice to know the practical capabilities of the plates we get issued. I would like the see the +p .300 win mag m2 ap again, I'd be interested in seeing if it could consistently penetrate. The m993 threat would also be really interesting to see too.
I wouldn't bet on it. The improved velocity is certainly something, but especially at ranges it'd likely be fired at I would expect failure to perforate. Further, M993... Well, that's another story. Still, heavily reduced range of perforation. Also, this *is* an older model, so keep that in mind.
.300 win mag is no joke. I've shot mild steel with 180 grain soft points at 550 yards and it did not penetrate, but stretched out a cone on the back of the 5/8" mild steel plate. Anything sub 300 yards penetrated.
I'm impressed that the M995 didn't go through! I wonder of the AP4 variant that defeated the RMA NIJ IV would have defeated this. The bulge from the shot looked like it strained the plate.
Tbh m995 kinda of sucks. Sure I would take it over m855a1 if you gave me enough to use or stockpile but for the absurd cost and semi-lack of ability to defeat level 4 reliably it’s just not worth it.
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m NIJ IV struggled to hold back M995 AP3. It would absolutely laugh off M855A1. You'd have a much, much better time getting through armor with M995 and it would easily clear NIJ III+, which is a velocity (thus barrel length) dependent threat for M855A1. And if you manage to get M995 AP4 then you can get through NIJ IV reliably in one shot. Its only negatives compared to M855A1 are availability and price.
@@TMega5612 buff man showed that even from 22” barrel at close range some level 4 armor still stops m995 easily, but other brands it goes through. So yeah I’d rather have m995 for the roughly ‘50/50’ chance it goes thru level 4, but not for 20X+ the price of m855a1 and the extremely rare availability. I’d rather have 1000 rounds of m855a1 than 50 rounds of m995 lol
I think AP4 is a little stronger, but not enough. Further, this plate isn't checked against 995, you need G or better. So, against the current line, no, against this, possibly. But I wouldn't count on it.
Nice. I use some regular SAPI plates manufactured in 08/2013 by Ceradyne and also use Botach soft armor as a backer. Not quite an ESAPI but still very light at 4lbs and has decent specs.
Got 3 of these babys! Love to see how reliable they are. You did quite an outstanding job presenting the experiment i must say. Keep up the progress lad.
Thank you for stopping by. I don't have all the cool personality the big boys have, but I like to share information with everyone, and I'm happy when someone can learn from the content I produce !
@@BuffRANGE for sure never heard of a slap round tell they started those are some cool rounds... By the way did you buy the m995 loaded or did you buy the bullets an load them your self?
Any chance to see how it’s made inside? Is it one big ceramic plate or a set of small tiles? ETA: also does the ceramic cover completely the plate or are the edges uncovered?
I have a follow up video to do where I shot the used plate with 5.7, and will work on that next. This particular plate is a solid strike face, edge to edge, with a thin metallic layer between the ceramic and PE. I will finish that video off with a tear down of what's left.
There were some actual XSAPI (level 5) plates for sale (they were legit) several months ago I wanted to buy them just so I could open them to see how they achieved their rating/ability but I got cold feet because the plates were probably stolen and the internals are probably classified. Anyway the seller said they were just silicone carbide and polyethelene just like regular level 4 plates just 10% heavier 🤷♂️
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m The XSAPI really are just the ESAPI plate made thicker, and thus heavier. They were not much loved by anyone in the test units that wore them for extended periods of time.
@@BuffRANGE I wonder whether the metal layer was steel or aluminum and how thin the layer was. Also, did the ESAPI have any internal foam padding of its own?
Military needs to develop a better flexible rifle armor vest like Dragon Skin but without the adhesive problems. Materials have come a long way since then.
The adhesive problem was real but fixable - The problem was angled shot, there wasn't a way of getting around it due to the way the disks were shaped and positioned. This is all according to the original inventor of Dragonskin, who went on to develop a different flexible armour system.
I have to admit disappointment when a 100$ level IV plate from Botach will stop the "+P+" m2ap but this won't. Could the 5.7 round be going too fast for the chronograph to measure?
Awesome! Would love to see Safelife Defense FRAS on your channel. Kentucky Ballistics did a test on it and it was very impressive but he didnt use any of these high AP loads so I'd be interested to see if it could hold up to any of those. I want to buy some but man it is PRICEY
@@BuffRANGE Make sure to include some screencaps of posts made by Safelife reps, that's probably worth a good laugh. "Premium cutting edge materials", "Lighter better than Hexar".
@@BuffRANGE anything such as ESAPIs (especially with that cage number), Peq-15s, PVS14s, etc that are military property that are sold somewhere in the public are typically "acquired" items. Use your imagination by what I mean when I say "acquired". When these items go missing, its not long before the unit realizes it. Serial numbers and cage numbers are all recorded and traced. So when a particular item goes missing - its sent to CID that a "sensitive item" is missing. And CID will check places like Ebay, IG, Cragslist for people selling that missing item with the corresponding serial or cage number. This item like you said seems to be alittle outdated so I dont think CID is looking for this plate in particular anymore but in the future if you do acquire anything like this that isnt sold to the public - it was "acquired" and then sold to someone in the public and CID is looking for it. So just for safety, dont show cage numbers or serial numbers. You typically wont get in trouble, but theyll 100 percent ask you who you got that from. It was a big problem at Fort Drum when I was there of dudes stealing nods and Peq-15s and selling them on Ebay and CID was catching all of them. Plates they arent typically worried about thou but you never know
@@Kaotix_music Got it. Not that the guy isn't telling the truth, but the guy who sold these had many samples for sale. If he acquired them in the means of my opening joke skit, You'd think someone would be looking for him. I don't know the protocol is for the gov't selling off old surplus (what I would assume these are labeled as due to age) , but would imagine these could be sold in that manner. Yeah brand new stuff magically disappearing from the base not so much, but I understand what you mean now :D
I wouldn't say next to none. Literally anyone could stuff M2-AP pulls into 300 WM :D Regardless yes this is a pretty good plate. Newer revisions of ESAPI however are superior, and I would argue so is a premium NIJ Level IV
@@BuffRANGE I can see your oint, but I doubt everyone will seek out the m2ap and be skillful enough to know how to load it. I think this esapi is one of the best you can get.
I have been curious about one thing! Say you get a SA III++ ballistic plate and you back it up with a IIIA UHWMPE soft armor would it be able to stop IV level threats? and to what extend?
There’s no such thing as a pure PE level IV plate. All level IV plates that are currently known about use ceramic medium as the strike face and PE behind it :)
Are the newer "Rev" plate models constructed differently than older ESAPIs? or is it just indicating that the plate has been tested to new/different threats that the older models were never tested against?
That I couldn't tell you. I will take pics of it's construction and if we ever get a newer revision, we will compare. I'm guessing they thickened and strengthened the ceramic on the newer revisions.
Can I send you two level 4 plates to test for me? I got them from Military Depot in Texas and they seem wonderful but I’d like them tested. They’re a great price for the quality but I don’t have the guns to shoot one up.
See here, but Revision G adds M995 protection and it also has to handle a 3rd M2AP round.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_body_armor_performance_standards
If I remember correctly Anytime I was issued Plates The Training plates were normal plates that are older than recommended use or didn’t pass Inspection I have 2 sets of Older ESAPI they don’t feel compromised at all I don’t imagine that’s the same for everyone’s units tho But ours and what I’m looking at rn is an actual plate
to be fair this is past its guaranteed shelf life so it might be degraded a little in protection level. Also level 4 IIRC is tested at a higher standard than ESAPI.
ESAPI is actually tested at a higher threat rating than Level IV. Level IV is 1 center of mass M2AP at 2880 fps. Rev E is 2 shots of M2AP and newer revisions are 3 with the first shot being at a higher velocity: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_body_armor_performance_standards
@@benjamingirard339 yes m855 and m855A1 but they aren't AP they aren't even hardened steel. Its like the steel thats in the surplus soviet stuff basically. Not AP but does help with penetration of soft stuff IE thick clothing, thin concrete walls, thin metal like car doors ect
@@joelopezjl28 M855 and M855A1 have hardened steel penetrators. the M855 tip is 49-52 RHC, and A1 is 59-60RHC. Russian surplus that's steel core is true mild steel (like 60 RHB) and is very soft. :D
@@BuffRANGE Nah, nah they just don't wanna risk having their bullshit exposed From what I've heard, FRAS is riding a fine line between shitty armour and outright scam As it is, see about contacting that Hexar fellow, from Stealth Armour Systems.
I have some steel I tested coming up where I used a IIIA backer. If you think in a conventional sense to make it level IV you're going to need A LOT of steel to stop it, and that would be like 12+lbs of steel.
@@gun_guy1 the ceramic strike face is what really makes the level IV. Otherwise if we use enough material anything can be level IV but obviously weight and thickness become and issue. I think I’ll publish it this Tuesday.
@@squidy4082 All depends on the model. Hesco 4800's are expensive AF, but Hesc 4401 are like $160/each. They are so much cheaper because they were built for gov't contracts and are being sold as overruns. Think of the volume of that scale as far as cost of goods, and how that would affect the cost of the plates :D
@@squidy4082 Decide what kind of threats you want to stop, and say how much you want the plates to weigh. Go from there. there are some light level IV options that will cover a LOT of threats, but then the cost goes WAY UP. Hesco 4401 or RMA 1155s are very budget friendly but weigh 8lbs each. The L210 is lighter, but only single curve, and is not rated for any .308 threats. The RMA 1092 is about the same weight, and will cover 5.56 and .308 but is 1.2" thick.
This testing is absolutely top notch, criminally underrated channel, one of the best community resources out there imo
Thank you, I appreciate that very much. This is the main reason I do this to share the love (information) so we can all be better informed!
The fact it stopped rounds developed to give infantrymen in the field the ability to defeat BRDMs with rifle fire just floors me. (The M995)
BDRMs? Do you mean the Soviet " Boyevaya Razvedyvatelnaya Dozornaya Mashina" aka "Combat Reconnaissance Patrol Vehicle" - I assume you mean crew served weapons that were on it? or am I an idiot who doesn't know their acronyms - an IWDKTAs if you will...
Errr, or do you mean, they were designed to take on those CRPV's armor?
@@bryanl1984 "ability to defeat BRDMs with rifle fire"
pretty clear
@@vaclavjebavy5118 Not really, I had to dig in pretty deep for that acronym; the acronym we use here (assuming it's actually what he meant) is "CRPV'" and was legit asking if that's what he was talking about. Despite claims to the contrary, people in the US are actually more polyglotal than the rest of the world assumes but not when it comes to Eastern European language acronyms; just as an example, the term "Rocket Propelled Grenades" (RPG's) originated from us in the US making shit up to "make sense" of the actual Russian Acronym of Ruchnoy Protivotankovy Granatomyot, which means something like "hand-held anti-tank grenade launcher." So yeah when I asked if that's what he meant, I actually was asking what he meant.
@@bryanl1984 BRDM is not a general purpose acronym, it's a specific series of vehicles, and used pretty much only in reference to them. Besides, part of your question was whether he meant "BRDM mounted" which is obviously not the case given " defeat BRDMs with rifle fire..."
Nice stuff!
You need to make some tests with him
@@samuelcouvin7206 we are actively collaborating
@@Oxide_does_his_best nice
Oh hey Oxide, nice to see you here.
...so, on a side note, video on russian plates when lmao
survincity.com/2013/08/the-russian-army-body-armor/
Nice
I love this channel for the exotic AP rounds you use on armor!! No one else on TH-cam does this!!
I couldn't like this fast enough. Really nice to know the practical capabilities of the plates we get issued.
I would like the see the +p .300 win mag m2 ap again, I'd be interested in seeing if it could consistently penetrate. The m993 threat would also be really interesting to see too.
I wouldn't bet on it. The improved velocity is certainly something, but especially at ranges it'd likely be fired at I would expect failure to perforate.
Further, M993...
Well, that's another story. Still, heavily reduced range of perforation.
Also, this *is* an older model, so keep that in mind.
.300 win mag is no joke. I've shot mild steel with 180 grain soft points at 550 yards and it did not penetrate, but stretched out a cone on the back of the 5/8" mild steel plate. Anything sub 300 yards penetrated.
thanks a lot for testing this plate...
The pleasure is all mine.
Glad to see you, Buffman.
3:09 through, first video I've seen of yours and the science you put behind things is impressive. I'll just preemptively subscribe
I'm impressed that the M995 didn't go through! I wonder of the AP4 variant that defeated the RMA NIJ IV would have defeated this. The bulge from the shot looked like it strained the plate.
Tbh m995 kinda of sucks. Sure I would take it over m855a1 if you gave me enough to use or stockpile but for the absurd cost and semi-lack of ability to defeat level 4 reliably it’s just not worth it.
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m NIJ IV struggled to hold back M995 AP3. It would absolutely laugh off M855A1. You'd have a much, much better time getting through armor with M995 and it would easily clear NIJ III+, which is a velocity (thus barrel length) dependent threat for M855A1. And if you manage to get M995 AP4 then you can get through NIJ IV reliably in one shot.
Its only negatives compared to M855A1 are availability and price.
@@TMega5612 buff man showed that even from 22” barrel at close range some level 4 armor still stops m995 easily, but other brands it goes through. So yeah I’d rather have m995 for the roughly ‘50/50’ chance it goes thru level 4, but not for 20X+ the price of m855a1 and the extremely rare availability. I’d rather have 1000 rounds of m855a1 than 50 rounds of m995 lol
I think AP4 is a little stronger, but not enough. Further, this plate isn't checked against 995, you need G or better.
So, against the current line, no, against this, possibly. But I wouldn't count on it.
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m
Also remember that you lose a lot of terminal. 995 vs 855A1, 855A1 is a world away from 995's pinprick.
I'll share this bro, love it!
Check out local garage sales, thats where I found my Esapis lol
How on earth...? Where and how much did you pay lol
Nice. I use some regular SAPI plates manufactured in 08/2013 by Ceradyne and also use Botach soft armor as a backer. Not quite an ESAPI but still very light at 4lbs and has decent specs.
Same setup here except for a non ballistic trauma pad as backer.
So green plates then
Because I'm 90% sure the ESAPI series started before that date.
Got 3 of these babys! Love to see how reliable they are. You did quite an outstanding job presenting the experiment i must say. Keep up the progress lad.
How did you get them
I really really love these armor destruction videos.... it’s always good to know what rounds do what to armor
Thank you for testing that plate, always wondered what the armor they issued us would stop.
The pleasure is all mine!
sweet setup 🎉
Thanks !
Amazing video. I wouldn't have seen it if not for going ballistic leaving a link for it. Very educational. Thank u
Thank you for stopping by. I don't have all the cool personality the big boys have, but I like to share information with everyone, and I'm happy when someone can learn from the content I produce !
@@BuffRANGE don’t kid yourself. Your videos are great. Here from going ballistic as well. Subscribed. God bless
@@markg1495 Thank you much!!!
Damn body armor sweats bullets when they see Buffman coming!!! Great vid as usual and THANK YOU!!
Thanks going ballistic for shouting this guy out thats how I found this channel
They are pretty awesome! I watch them for testing .50 BMG!
@@BuffRANGE for sure never heard of a slap round tell they started those are some cool rounds... By the way did you buy the m995 loaded or did you buy the bullets an load them your self?
@@kaned647 I bought these loaded.
@@BuffRANGE spendy thanks for sharing those with us very cool!
Thank you for such high quality individual testing. Keep warm, keep safe, sir.
Thanks for your work!
My pleasure!
If not for you, I would'nt have half the great ammo I have now. You saved me arse.
What an excellent testing! Glad I found your channel. Subscribed!
Thanks and welcome
Very nice test. Keep up the good work!
Your channel deserves more subscribers!
Thanks!!
Awesome stuff!! Thanks for the knowledge drop!
You bet!
Good stuff Matt, thanks for it!
Thanks for stopping by!
excellent analysis!
Great test! But I was really surprised it failed the level 4 +P+ shot.
Me as well. Could be Boron Carbide, just can't take that extra velocity at the thickness this plate has.
Man that M80A1 just fucks .
Be interested to see an older M80 ball protection black SAPI plate, just to see if older expired armor would actually save your life.
Oh it certainly will.
It will again, just like all SAPI series armour be needed to be worn ICW a soft vest.
Any chance to see how it’s made inside? Is it one big ceramic plate or a set of small tiles?
ETA: also does the ceramic cover completely the plate or are the edges uncovered?
I have a follow up video to do where I shot the used plate with 5.7, and will work on that next. This particular plate is a solid strike face, edge to edge, with a thin metallic layer between the ceramic and PE. I will finish that video off with a tear down of what's left.
@@BuffRANGE thanks for the outstanding job! Cheers from Italy
There were some actual XSAPI (level 5) plates for sale (they were legit) several months ago I wanted to buy them just so I could open them to see how they achieved their rating/ability but I got cold feet because the plates were probably stolen and the internals are probably classified. Anyway the seller said they were just silicone carbide and polyethelene just like regular level 4 plates just 10% heavier 🤷♂️
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m The XSAPI really are just the ESAPI plate made thicker, and thus heavier. They were not much loved by anyone in the test units that wore them for extended periods of time.
@@BuffRANGE
I wonder whether the metal layer was steel or aluminum and how thin the layer was.
Also, did the ESAPI have any internal foam padding of its own?
That over pressure load due was fast!!!
I'm trying to get them over 3300 fps, but don't think I will with the 24" barrel.
Fantastic. Thank you.
My pleasure!
Great video. This is awesome stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Military needs to develop a better flexible rifle armor vest like Dragon Skin but without the adhesive problems. Materials have come a long way since then.
The adhesive problem was real but fixable - The problem was angled shot, there wasn't a way of getting around it due to the way the disks were shaped and positioned. This is all according to the original inventor of Dragonskin, who went on to develop a different flexible armour system.
thank you 4 testing
You're welcome
Very well made experiment and video quality
Thank you very much!
I have to admit disappointment when a 100$ level IV plate from Botach will stop the "+P+" m2ap but this won't.
Could the 5.7 round be going too fast for the chronograph to measure?
It was likely the sun being a jerk. Supposedly the DLX will measure up to 9999 fps :D
Awesome! Would love to see Safelife Defense FRAS on your channel. Kentucky Ballistics did a test on it and it was very impressive but he didnt use any of these high AP loads so I'd be interested to see if it could hold up to any of those. I want to buy some but man it is PRICEY
we're working on it!
@@BuffRANGE
If they send you one, well
I'd advise you weigh it and check thickness.
@@KoishiVibin I can see where this is going, especially if there's a side by side with Hexar.
Unfortunately the armour industry is full of slime.
@@BuffRANGE Make sure to include some screencaps of posts made by Safelife reps, that's probably worth a good laugh. "Premium cutting edge materials", "Lighter better than Hexar".
Kentucky Ballistics is paid by companies like SafeLife Defense to “test” their gear which ends up just being an ad for them, not a real test.
I wish m995 was more common ammo.
My friends and I always watch your videos, and we are waiting for what will be M993 !!!!! It's a pity they didn't test it here! (
Tested it today! IT's coming!
Love your stuff idea maybe save little money on rubber straps I find all mine on interstate come off big trucks I get a lot of them
for future videos - make sure those cage numbers are blurred out hahahah
Could you expand on this?
@@BuffRANGE anything such as ESAPIs (especially with that cage number), Peq-15s, PVS14s, etc that are military property that are sold somewhere in the public are typically "acquired" items. Use your imagination by what I mean when I say "acquired". When these items go missing, its not long before the unit realizes it. Serial numbers and cage numbers are all recorded and traced. So when a particular item goes missing - its sent to CID that a "sensitive item" is missing. And CID will check places like Ebay, IG, Cragslist for people selling that missing item with the corresponding serial or cage number. This item like you said seems to be alittle outdated so I dont think CID is looking for this plate in particular anymore but in the future if you do acquire anything like this that isnt sold to the public - it was "acquired" and then sold to someone in the public and CID is looking for it. So just for safety, dont show cage numbers or serial numbers. You typically wont get in trouble, but theyll 100 percent ask you who you got that from. It was a big problem at Fort Drum when I was there of dudes stealing nods and Peq-15s and selling them on Ebay and CID was catching all of them. Plates they arent typically worried about thou but you never know
@@Kaotix_music Got it. Not that the guy isn't telling the truth, but the guy who sold these had many samples for sale. If he acquired them in the means of my opening joke skit, You'd think someone would be looking for him. I don't know the protocol is for the gov't selling off old surplus (what I would assume these are labeled as due to age) , but would imagine these could be sold in that manner. Yeah brand new stuff magically disappearing from the base not so much, but I understand what you mean now :D
.300 Win Chad slays another plate.
the jacket and the..... 🎩 coat?!! 😆
Heheh. Sometimes words don't come out right :D
Love the vid
Thank you!
I think we also have to consider how it performs within an IOTV which grants 9mm protection without plates
The IIIA backer is supposed to mimic having the IOTV
It would be great to see US plates against soviet/russian AP-s
The only Russian AP threats are very specialized loads that I have no way to get my hands on currently. I constantly am working on it. Maybe some day.
@@BuffRANGE
Would be great
Anyway you have very good channel very informative vids 👍
Just swapped out my old ESAPI for the updated Rev J.
Nice!
What’s the current rev?
The chances of running into +p+ m2 ap is almost next to none. This was a good plate.
I wouldn't say next to none. Literally anyone could stuff M2-AP pulls into 300 WM :D Regardless yes this is a pretty good plate. Newer revisions of ESAPI however are superior, and I would argue so is a premium NIJ Level IV
@@BuffRANGE I can see your oint, but I doubt everyone will seek out the m2ap and be skillful enough to know how to load it. I think this esapi is one of the best you can get.
True :D And then at the engagement distance one would see 300WM at, those velocities would be below the threshold of this plate.
What’s the FPS of 995 out of a 14.5 inch
I have data showing a 7.5" is roughly 2,400 fps, and a 16" is roughly 3300. I'd say probably north of 3,100+ fps..
Can other manufacturers contact you to test their product or you just work with specific manufacturers?
I'm available to test anyone's product I have an email address on my about page, or if you do social media I can be direct messaged there.
I have been curious about one thing! Say you get a SA III++ ballistic plate and you back it up with a IIIA UHWMPE soft armor would it be able to stop IV level threats? and to what extend?
Depends.
Give an example.
Would probably depend on the type and thickness of ceramic core used.
Great video , could you do level 4 Polyethylene plates
There’s no such thing as a pure PE level IV plate. All level IV plates that are currently known about use ceramic medium as the strike face and PE behind it :)
No pass through? The top left looked like it did
On which round ?
@@BuffRANGE I’m not sure, just saw a hole in the back left of the US
Is the revision J the newest version of the ESAPI, other than the XSAPI?
Man I’d like to have had that plate!
Want some lol
I didn't know people loaded 5.7 into 5.56. Did you have any complications when doing that?
Nope. You just have to be mindful that you'll need a LOT more powder to get them moving. 5.7 bullets are .224" in diameter :D
Well that plate can't be older than 2011, that's when army started using qr codes.
Yep!
Using that magpul bipod i see
Really nice bipod! I like how they can use MLOK to attach
@@BuffRANGE I'll be getting one for my 716i TREAD for sure!
Are the newer "Rev" plate models constructed differently than older ESAPIs? or is it just indicating that the plate has been tested to new/different threats that the older models were never tested against?
That I couldn't tell you. I will take pics of it's construction and if we ever get a newer revision, we will compare. I'm guessing they thickened and strengthened the ceramic on the newer revisions.
Can I send you two level 4 plates to test for me? I got them from Military Depot in Texas and they seem wonderful but I’d like them tested. They’re a great price for the quality but I don’t have the guns to shoot one up.
This ? militarydepotusa.com/lightweight-ballistic-bulletproof-plate-level-iv-protection/
How does Revision G differ from the Revision E you are testing?
See here, but Revision G adds M995 protection and it also has to handle a 3rd M2AP round..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_body_armor_performance_standards
@ Thank you! For engagements back home in the states do you think it’s still wise to use a 3A backer with these SAPIs?
Can you review some Mira safety plates?
Their performance would be very similar to LAPG or Militech's. I can contact them and ask..
Are thos real plates or training plates
They're real. Why would you think they're training plates?
@@BuffRANGE cuz we get issued training plates unless we deploy
@@dragon131926 understood. These were bought as overrun contract plates and are 100% real Esapi body armor :)
I didn't even know that was a thing. When I was in it was the same plates regardless. Times have changed as per usual.
If I remember correctly
Anytime I was issued
Plates
The Training plates were normal plates that are older than recommended use or didn’t pass Inspection
I have 2 sets of Older ESAPI
they don’t feel compromised at all
I don’t imagine that’s the same for everyone’s units tho
But ours and what I’m looking at rn is an actual plate
After performing all of these armor tests which one is the best would you say for level iv’s?
XSAPI, Adept Colossus, RMA 1192, Spartan Armor Ares, Possible Hesco 4800 once I test it.
Academy Award winning acting.
Where can I get these plates and what do they usually run for? Whats the difference between the green and grey ones? I've been issued both.
This guy has them: > bit.ly/3gzyHtj. The colors could be a revision or model change.
We could do that.........but that plate needs someone to test it...
?
Do these have a monolithic strike face? If so that’s really impressive.
I believe they do.
to be fair this is past its guaranteed shelf life so it might be degraded a little in protection level. Also level 4 IIRC is tested at a higher standard than ESAPI.
ESAPI is actually tested at a higher threat rating than Level IV. Level IV is 1 center of mass M2AP at 2880 fps. Rev E is 2 shots of M2AP and newer revisions are 3 with the first shot being at a higher velocity:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_body_armor_performance_standards
@@BuffRANGE interesting 🤔 when I read about it a few years ago I could have sworn lvl 4 was higher. Thanks for correcting me!
@@DCMAKER133 ESAPI has surpassed LVL rating for years.
Imagine they beefed up these plates to loke 2 inches
Your back would be very unhappy
Have you tried the 30-06 and the 308win
A specific round?
Jealous of all your YHM gear
-Ben
How hard is it to get ap for 556? I've been in the army for 5 years now and haven't seen it soooo that in itself should answer my question...
It seems more rare than M993. It commands like 3x the price in the collectors market..
@@BuffRANGE interesting
green tip is AP, have you seen that?
@@benjamingirard339 yes m855 and m855A1 but they aren't AP they aren't even hardened steel. Its like the steel thats in the surplus soviet stuff basically. Not AP but does help with penetration of soft stuff IE thick clothing, thin concrete walls, thin metal like car doors ect
@@joelopezjl28 M855 and M855A1 have hardened steel penetrators. the M855 tip is 49-52 RHC, and A1 is 59-60RHC. Russian surplus that's steel core is true mild steel (like 60 RHB) and is very soft. :D
Wop a pow pow my Scooby-Doo !!!!
mmmmm nothing like shooting expensive ammo looking at you m995
It made my wallet need a bypass.
Were these plates tap tested and torque tested?
Yes.
Where can I get real ESAPI plates
TAC swap or AR15 EE or even Reddit.
I would not want to get shot by any of those even with armor on...
Now test those plates after they gone through four separate re-issues....
I'm going to assume they were issued at least once or twice...
I would love to see safe life defense Rifle armor get destroyed
We keep bouncing back with them via DM. I think they just don't have any right now.
@@BuffRANGE
Nah, nah
they just don't wanna risk having their bullshit exposed
From what I've heard, FRAS is riding a fine line between shitty armour and outright scam
As it is, see about contacting that Hexar fellow, from Stealth Armour Systems.
@@KoishiVibin I am in contact with the SAS guy. Just maybe waiting until warmer weather for testing.
@@BuffRANGE
poggers
What’s the foam border / edge protection like on these?
It's edge to edge coverage...
@@BuffRANGE hey thanks for the reply, just trying to compile some info that I couldn’t find online!
I am looking for the lightest weight level IV armor to get for my wife (size small) what plates should I buy?
How light? Multicurve? How much do you want to spend?
For science
Why the Fuck did the army adopt the 6.8 if an m4 with m955 will defeat armor
bro, how did you got those ammo. Omg. You are crazy. Show us some M61
Or m993
M993 Here: th-cam.com/video/_edfr1i6LMU/w-d-xo.html
It was sold to the government, so performance may vary.
Where can these be bought?
I got them from this guy : bit.ly/3gzyHtj
But the videos got better. photo what will be a bullet its speed is very cool!
I swear you had a video testing an Xsapi at some point, did it get taken down or am I wrong?
I made a joke about having one in an m993 video against an ESaPI. XsAPI coming this spring.
Where do you get M995?
GunBroker
Can be a old plate
Could I buy this plate anywhere?
As far as I'm aware only as surplus, from those that bought them overrun like the Instagram guy: bit.ly/3gzyHtj
I have seen actual XSAPI’s for sale before , but me and buff were too scared to buy them lol
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m If you ever see an XSAPI for sale please let me know!
@@user-oy9zy4ds9m Must have been obtained illegally or a fake. Considering they never issued it and kept its rating as a secret.
@@BuffRANGE I did I sent you the link you said it looked too shady lol
Are you able to test some steel armor with soft armor behind it? I was curious if it would act as lvl 4
I have some steel I tested coming up where I used a IIIA backer. If you think in a conventional sense to make it level IV you're going to need A LOT of steel to stop it, and that would be like 12+lbs of steel.
@@BuffRANGE didnt know if you can use it that way instead of the lvl 4 I'm interested in seeing the video
@@gun_guy1 the ceramic strike face is what really makes the level IV. Otherwise if we use enough material anything can be level IV but obviously weight and thickness become and issue. I think I’ll publish it this Tuesday.
Can you load ss190 ap into a 5.56 brass and shoot it out of a standard ar15?
Yep the 5.7 bullets are .224” diameter. Same as 5.56. Get about 3500+ fps from them.
Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Does ss190 in 556 brass have relatively the same trajectory path at the same distances as a standard m855 or even m995 would?
@@waltersobchak3903 id have to test it. I generally only use it at 15 yds :)
@@BuffRANGE
I wonder what the core compo is.
Think it's got anything in common with EPRs?
How much are these plates? Are they pretty good in regards to hesco ?
I think these were $350-400 from what o remember for the pair. These IMO are as good as a Hesco or RMA level IV offering Ike the 4401 or 1155
@@BuffRANGE how are they like level 4 but so much cheaper ? Hesco level 4s are about 1200$
@@squidy4082 All depends on the model. Hesco 4800's are expensive AF, but Hesc 4401 are like $160/each. They are so much cheaper because they were built for gov't contracts and are being sold as overruns. Think of the volume of that scale as far as cost of goods, and how that would affect the cost of the plates :D
@@BuffRANGE very very true, so should I get those or some hescos ? L210 or some cheap level 4, there’s literally so many options lol
@@squidy4082 Decide what kind of threats you want to stop, and say how much you want the plates to weigh. Go from there. there are some light level IV options that will cover a LOT of threats, but then the cost goes WAY UP. Hesco 4401 or RMA 1155s are very budget friendly but weigh 8lbs each. The L210 is lighter, but only single curve, and is not rated for any .308 threats. The RMA 1092 is about the same weight, and will cover 5.56 and .308 but is 1.2" thick.
Damnit 5.7 didn’t show fml
Where can I get one?
Fb marketplace
Whose armour is this I want to buy some
This plate is made by Ceradyne. They are only available via surplus, > contact this guy bit.ly/3gzyHtj