Somehow, I don't have that much faith. Not in the plate, an Atlas or a SARVIP would do it, but in the guy firing. I feel like he might come in a little high or a little low.
I agree. I don't understand the psychology of our community sometimes. We are obsessed with finding the latest and greatest and continually spend money on things we don't need or don't necessarily work. I agree with you that if I've been shot a few times with a 50 caliber bullet I've got bigger things to worry about at that point.
For those wondering: let's take a .50 BMG round that immediately prior to impact has kinetic energy of 18,000 J. Assuming the plate is 0.48 inches thick and there is neither penetration nor deformation, then total impact force on the user is 1,475,409 N. On a plate with a surface area of 120 square inches, we are looking at 2,763 psi. For reference, that is about 2x a heavyweight professional boxer's punch. There is definitely the potential for lethal blunt force trauma.
@@vat8367 yeah that sounds about right. If the average heavyweight punches about 1400 then Mike Tyson being 15% more powerful makes sense. Now imagine what would happen to an average human being if they got smacked on the chest by a punch 75% more powerful than Mike Tyson. KO - killed outright
@@taylorbrown3336 there was a reporter back in the 90s wearing 50 cal resistant armour he was shot by a KPV-14.5mm at about 500-600 meters he had no cracked ribs just a giant ass bruise. if your wearing these kind's of armour your wearing trauma plates aswell to absorb the blunt force
@@King.Leonidas also the bullet slows down over time like who the hell is going to shoot you at this distance with a 50. Not super likely prolly much farther away
Strong potential... but you wouldn't necessarily be dead! O_o Really, it'd just be a question of whether any major blood vessels were torn in the impact, or whether your spine broke. Otherwise, you're fucked up, but okay!
When Karl said it was a Level IV plate weighing 1.74 pounds- I literally yelled "bullshit" at the computer screen. Truly impressive capability for that weight and thickness. Thanks for showing us Karl! EDIT: Correction- the AP rounds went through, so I was wrong on the Level IV I think? Either way, impressive armor.
I’m HUGE into armor tech. This is completely life-changing and revolutionary. They are offering 4 levels of protection in a third of similar competitors weight/profile.
@@MobileAura if you’re huge into armor tech you’d know this doesn’t mean shit until it actually gets certified lol. Back face deformation going to send shrapnel from your ribs into your lungs LOL
That could be all that makes the difference in the instance of being hit from something like that. You are probably in trouble, but no exposing wounds and puncture wounds can help you hold on for like 5min more whereas if there was penitration you would be dead on the spot.
@@VictoryOrValhalla14 I know but not having lacerations and open trauma can help for a bit. You might have a chance but with an entry and exit wound you are dead no matter what.
@@blackops2096 internal laceration is much more deadly, external can be seen/diagnosed and treated, internal is a lot hard to diagnose and treat. You may not even know you or your Ranger buddy is fucked up and then in minutes dead. The force of that 50 cal round hitting you IS busting you up inside. I was hit twice in the front plate in 2006, one round hit dead cent and the other lower right side where I had my smoke grenade. I had pretty good welts, much more so in the one that hit me center. The force of it caused my to take a few steps back( I’m quite a large man). The round that hit lower right set my smoke grenade off and caught me on fire, 10 seconds before that I took shrapnel to my arm face and eyes from a hand grenade. I didn’t even know I was wounded from it other then the concussion of the blast hurt my entire body. To be clear the rounds that hit me were from RPK(7.62)
Veteran's Mfg. in Katy, TX has had 50BMG armor for over 3 years now. They have the plate in a display case with an endless video loop showing the plate being shot.
@@jscarpa2002 Yeah you're dead, but at least you're still in one piece so the casket can be open at the funeral. Gotta think about this from all perspectives.
For all the 50 cal. "There's no hole, but the trauma/energy will kill you" folks: We also thought this until we had the plate tested in a ballistic lab. The first shot was just a few mm higher (backface deformation) than the current Army specification for plates in the field. So, no you would not die or get turned into mush from the first shot. But the 2nd shot - There's no hole but the trauma/energy will kill you. Lol.
It’s mind boggling that there’s armor out there that can take a 50 cal. slug AND you’ll live! The future is here. Now make it also flexible and sell coats made out of it. ;)
This is some high quality stuff. Definitely gonna invest in these plates. Wondering if the Karl Special, "TR50" plate can withstand the API round ooor a 20mm rifle round.
@@Sun-Tzu- there’s never not a place to wear armor. There r cases out there where some people get shot over a pack of cigarettes or their wallet. Obviously your not gunna go running around downtown New York with a plate carrier and lvl4 armor but a lvl 2 or 3a soft vest wouldn’t hurt anything depending on how thick or thin it is. It’s even more concealable in a colder climate where jackets r frequently worn. Another factor would be general location, facing facts there r some places in America where personally I’d feel a lot saver with even a lvl 2 vest.
Checked the website their level 4 plates are 4.8 and 5.8 pounds. Not 1.7. They’re like 700-1000 per level 4 plate. I would add the lvl 4 plate with safe life defense FRAS vest. That’s a crazy combo.
Seeing is believing. That's some impressive stuff. Looks like a lot of fun, too. Besides the great content, Karl I have never seen anyone navigate, or even address really the commercial breaks like you do. It's very funny. Thanks for all of it.
Wore 3A as a cop. Kevlar with a ceramic trauma plate on the front chest. Never had a bullet hit it but did get hit on numerous occasions with hand held blunt force weapons. It helped alot!!!! But the vest was almost 12lbs all up.Not terribly heavy until you've been on a 12hr 110 degree day.
I would love to see penetration testing on body armor 5, 10 and more years after it's official expiration just to see how it's capability changes over time, and how fast and severe the drop-off really is.
It would be interesting. The results would likely vary with the patterns of use of the plate or soft armor. Most of these warranty/expiration periods seem to presume daily or regular use. I started with steel plates, but I will have no reservation about getting poly or ceramic plates because I don't foresee them degrading to any significant extent for those of us who are rarely, if ever likely to wear them and store them in nice climate controlled environments.
@@kenofken9458 Correct, the warranty is expecting the plates to be worn regularly and be in varying climates, such as trunk of a police cruiser in hot or cold weather. The dates are also conservative for liability reasons. If you dont heavily abuse them and they spend most of their time sitting in your closet theyll easily last 10+ years. After that point you’ll probably want newer better lighter stronger ones anyhow and keep the old ones for training
It has a 60 month warranty from date it s delivered. I think that’s awesome. I wonder what the actual shelf life is though 🤔. I’m not a huge guy so the light stuff makes it or breaks it for me.
@@kenofken9458 never use steel. They are defeated by speed. Any round going fast enough will beat it. Also spalling. I don’t care what any company says about whatever coating they put on them you will get spall and that can and will kill. Finally they aren’t that much cheaper anymore you can spend the same on ceramic and PE plates that have a lm NIJ rating and are reputable… and steel plates weight 2x as much. Fuck any and all steel plates
Thank you TR Karl. Great info and great video as usual. I use level IIIA ploy plates while working security but seeing the RF plates definitely looking to upgrade with Dayton Armor.....
This is what makes America 🇺🇸 the most amazing place to live and be part of. That was a lot of laughs in a very somber time period. Thank you for the vid and your service to this great country.
UHMWPE very good, multi-hit and really light. Running some level 3+ plates front, back and two side panels in the vest without the kit attached, it weighs about six pounds and will stop up to a .308. A little thicker but light and reasonably priced.
@@manictiger As he said at the end of the video, whatever you wear, someone has something that will get through it. Ceramic armour has limits too, nothing is guaranteed. You have to be realistic about the threats you're likely to face, and dress accordingly. Being hit by something in an area NOT covered by the plates is always a distinct possibility... and level 4+ plates won't help if your head explodes.
Probably frangibles. It's what i believe was done in the Vet Manufac UHMWPE run. The API busting it notched that up, UHMWPE sucks against steel or tungsten. I have the feeling the plate is fairly well made, if nothing else. I wonder...
The speculation is that they are using HB210 or HB212, current generation PE. With that material "stopping" those threats at this thickness isn't an issue, but it's not done because the BFS would be too high, and the multi-hit capability would be diminished. Al seem to agree when looking at those specs on Dayton's PDFs. To say Dayton Armor is the "best armor" on the planet is a misnomer, it's more like heading towards a different direction than what's safe. They take a "safe" formula and shaved it down, kind of like Hesco but more extreme.
@@trechtzach8151 "The speculation is" ... proof that you don't actually know? I'm willing to bet that given the choice between a high velocity rifle round destroying several major organs on it's way through their body, or suffering trauma from BFD... most people would take the latter. Sensible people, the ones that don't assume every threat automatically hits small armour plates, would probably be wearing some soft body armour underneath. At the very least, some kind of padding would be a sensible idea.
Makes sense! If you are just protecting your house, steel plates are enough, if you have to go somewhere else and protect someone or be on the move ceramic plates (lighter) or use soft backers with one or both.
All I had in my school backpack to protect me would have been a few rotten bananas. I love how you guys have so many body armour options available yet here it's illegal to own because trying to save your life from a potential gunshot is illegal. You would probably be charged for owning medieval chainmail or even a jockstrap.
It is amazing to see armor reach up to and start to be able to stop even 50.cal rounds. Now if we just add a couple of grand and include the shock absorbing materials that are being tested we might see soldiers survive center mass impacts from even a 50.cal sniper. Defense technology is catching up to it's gunpowder era weapons at at last. I wonder how that will be countered in the future?
That's a good question honestly. When body armor starts to regularly out perform and stop modern ballistics, two valid options will be rounds using more kinetic force such as hand held rail guns or high heat weaponry capable of burning through the armor. For the longest time the bullet has had the advantage and now it seems the playing field is becoming more even.
Karl, I heard you got the Rona. I hope you're doing OK brother. All of our prayers are heading your way man. Stay in the fight....We Love you Karl. Mad respect homie....
OUTSTANDING!! If I ever have a few grand burning a hole in my pocket. I'm grabbing the Safelife Defense FRAS, with these plates for the heard armor inserts!! Can't beat that combination!!!
@@KoishiVibin You gotta admit these plates are pretty awesome! I'm looking at getting some level 4 Scorpion Tactical plates. I've seen them take some serious damage without pass through! I'll check out your suggestions though.
Hey Karl, would you consider doing a video on those expired plates you have? Perhaps some types of materials will still be able to stop threats they were once rated for. There are like four videos on TH-cam, I think if you did a test it would be a hit. Either way, thank you (I’m not saying to wear expired armor... this is for less than optimal scenarios)
Mr Gunslinger on Tactical Rifleman's comments. It's like watching DC's Superman shooting the bull with Marvel's Captain America. Universes colliding. I absolutely love it.
Love the video! I'm definitely interested in purchasing a set of their RF1 or RF2+ plates given that they're about a pound lighter than anything else on the market; however, I'm concerned about the lack of information on the Dayton Armor products outside of this video. I've tried contacting them for more info, but never received a response. It would be great if you could shoot their RF1/RF2+ plates so we can see how their higher rated commercially available plates perform with multiple impacts and different calibers!
Agreed. Almost no info about Dayton plates online. If I didn’t have a fairly high level of trust for Karl, I would be inclined to disregard them immediately. Still not quite sure I want to trust my life to them based on this one video.
The anti spalling coat on the metal plates capture the metal fragments. Ive seen many test videos about it. However if you have a big gut and the plate is at a 45 degree angle, that metal plate will deflect the bullet right at your face/ neck. Just sharing some info
Three incontrovertible facts: 1. Thanks Karl for the informative information & knowledge on body armor! 2. I'm glad Karl is on our side! 3. karl isn't one you'd want to tick off then meet in a dark alley or any alley for that matter! 🤣 #tacticalriflemanfamily
That sub-2lb lvl4 plate is insane. I've heard that it exists, but this this is first time seeing them or knowing where to get them. I've only seen lvl3 plates get under 2lbs a plate
As I understood, Dayton Armor does not sell level IV plates. level IV is replaced by RF3, but the best I could find in Dayton armor is RF2+, which is rated for 5.56mm M855 BT
There is no mention of a level IV plate on their website. The lightest level IV plate that is an actually NIJ listed model is the Hesco 4800 series ranging from 4.5-5 ish lbs depending on size.
@@brandonpowell480 exactly. This is just an advertisement for Dayton armor and he doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about. He actually recommended steel armor...wtf
T-band has held several parades with all the gear donated to them by the empty suits. Videos of them in formation with tons of .50 cal rifles, are all over this platform. Forget the .50s, the next guys who go in, need to be more concerned with drones, mortars, manpads, Paladins, ATMs, ATGMs (Javelin, Dragon), etc…
Karl…first & foremost, thank you for your service to our country. I enjoy the hell out of watching your videos. But I wanted to comment on this one. Please do not feel that this is criticism. I’m just merely an old Army Ranger making some points. In this video I noticed that the plate you put through the .50 cal torture test “Karl Special” is not something that they currently sell to LEO, SWAT guys or civilians. I’m not even sure if it was just a collaborative effort specially made for you by Dayton Armor. They seem to be a high speed, low drag company but I’m truly curious as to how the RF1 and RF2 plates actually stand up to the specific threats they are designed to defeat. I see very little about them online and even less reviews. I’m very curious as to their claims. I’m in the market for a set of thin, lightweight plates that I can use in conjunction with the SHITTY, useless soft armor my department issues. What’s the possibility of setting something like this up? After 12yrs as a Ranger and 24yrs as a LEO my old, broken down, metal & pin filled body no longer wants to carry a bulky, heavy ceramic plate which is why I’m searching the polyethylene plates. The RF1 at .38” thick and 1.6lbs is right up my alley. Do you have any additional resources I can look into about Dayton Armor? The fact that certain “varsity” teams that don’t “exist” are using them has piqued my interest. Thanks.
@@TacticalRifleman Any update on this? Did you end up doing a follow up? Looking at Dayton Armor plates and they claim to make the plates for Velocity.
Imagine living in a country where you should think about buying a military grade body armor for your children while him/her going to school. Crazy stuff.
HighCom and Hesco are the two Best makers I know of. I wear 3/4” thick, 8” x 10” full cut front & rear level 4 standalone HighCom made plates on top of my Armor Express Razor level 2 soft armor panels in a Revolution concealable carrier. 😆👍🏻
What would be absolutely great to see is if you managed to put some sort of sensor in the inside of gel to see how much force is actually passed through and what kind of damage that can do.
I just wanted to let you know that video was Friggen Awesome !!!!! Thanks for using your vest n Ballistic gel , top half of a man ( most realistic I’ve seen ) keep up your good work !!!! ✌️🍀😉✨😷💥💥🔫
Damn Karl, .50 BMG - that plate is impressive! Yes, it will hurt like hell, but at least your still alive!! I'm wearing ShotStop Duritium GT2 plates, but now...
Just looked on their website. $700 per plate for RF+2 sure isn’t cheap, but at barely 2.98lbs each?! That’s 1/3 the weight of steel! That’s ridiculous!!! I need these in my life!
@Dan Trebune I would LOVE to be able to buy those TR-50 plates! I’m sure they’d be like $1500 each, but they’re incredible for being the same thickness as Hesco 4800 series plates. Plus I’ve NEVER seen a plate of any kind stop a 50BMG! The energy transfer of M193 must be so tiny with plates like that!
I have to say that I am 1) deeply impressed and 2) really want to see what a Silver Tip would do (well...fairly obvious result, but the footage would be really cool).
I've got swimmer plates for my rifle kit rn, it was kind of a "buy it and try it" just to learn i think i prefer the extra coverage. They were on sale to.
If I’m taking two 50 rounds to the cheat at zero range, I’m finally starting to question my life choices 🤣
Somehow, I don't have that much faith.
Not in the plate, an Atlas or a SARVIP would do it, but in the guy firing.
I feel like he might come in a little high or a little low.
If you take two 50bmg rounds at pbr you fd up son. 😂🤣👌
I agree. I don't understand the psychology of our community sometimes. We are obsessed with finding the latest and greatest and continually spend money on things we don't need or don't necessarily work.
I agree with you that if I've been shot a few times with a 50 caliber bullet I've got bigger things to worry about at that point.
security detail gets boring
Best comment of the year goes too.......
For those wondering: let's take a .50 BMG round that immediately prior to impact has kinetic energy of 18,000 J. Assuming the plate is 0.48 inches thick and there is neither penetration nor deformation, then total impact force on the user is 1,475,409 N. On a plate with a surface area of 120 square inches, we are looking at 2,763 psi. For reference, that is about 2x a heavyweight professional boxer's punch. There is definitely the potential for lethal blunt force trauma.
i have heard that mike tysons punch is 1600 joules
@@vat8367 yeah that sounds about right. If the average heavyweight punches about 1400 then Mike Tyson being 15% more powerful makes sense. Now imagine what would happen to an average human being if they got smacked on the chest by a punch 75% more powerful than Mike Tyson. KO - killed outright
@@taylorbrown3336 there was a reporter back in the 90s wearing 50 cal resistant armour he was shot by a KPV-14.5mm at about 500-600 meters he had no cracked ribs just a giant ass bruise. if your wearing these kind's of armour your wearing trauma plates aswell to absorb the blunt force
@@King.Leonidas also the bullet slows down over time like who the hell is going to shoot you at this distance with a 50. Not super likely prolly much farther away
Strong potential... but you wouldn't necessarily be dead! O_o
Really, it'd just be a question of whether any major blood vessels were torn in the impact, or whether your spine broke. Otherwise, you're fucked up, but okay!
“Anybody worth shooting once is worth shooting twice…. That’s fair” - QOTD 😂🤣
Anybody sorth shooting is worth mag dumping on!
Double tap
Politicians should be lined up and just one round used. They have cost us enough already
@@dustprit5543 you just went on a list, buddy!
@@ghostwriter1415 been on that list screw those corrupt pricks
That’s crazy hard to believe a plate that thin and weighs one pound can do this, I’d have called bullshit if I didn’t just see it on THIS channel.
When Karl said it was a Level IV plate weighing 1.74 pounds- I literally yelled "bullshit" at the computer screen. Truly impressive capability for that weight and thickness. Thanks for showing us Karl!
EDIT: Correction- the AP rounds went through, so I was wrong on the Level IV I think? Either way, impressive armor.
I’m HUGE into armor tech. This is completely life-changing and revolutionary. They are offering 4 levels of protection in a third of similar competitors weight/profile.
@@MobileAura if you’re huge into armor tech you’d know this doesn’t mean shit until it actually gets certified lol. Back face deformation going to send shrapnel from your ribs into your lungs LOL
@@TheVinceZampella Well if Delta guys are using it it’s good enough for me. 🍺
you fell for the scam.
look up the plates. that plate in 11x14 is 7.4 pounds.
50 BMG armor, you wouldn't have any holes but your innards may turn to jello.
That could be all that makes the difference in the instance of being hit from something like that. You are probably in trouble, but no exposing wounds and puncture wounds can help you hold on for like 5min more whereas if there was penitration you would be dead on the spot.
@@blackops2096 more people die from internal wounds(concussion/shockwave) from explosions(artillery) than they do shrapnel.
@@VictoryOrValhalla14 I know but not having lacerations and open trauma can help for a bit. You might have a chance but with an entry and exit wound you are dead no matter what.
@@blackops2096 internal laceration is much more deadly, external can be seen/diagnosed and treated, internal is a lot hard to diagnose and treat. You may not even know you or your Ranger buddy is fucked up and then in minutes dead. The force of that 50 cal round hitting you IS busting you up inside. I was hit twice in the front plate in 2006, one round hit dead cent and the other lower right side where I had my smoke grenade. I had pretty good welts, much more so in the one that hit me center. The force of it caused my to take a few steps back( I’m quite a large man). The round that hit lower right set my smoke grenade off and caught me on fire, 10 seconds before that I took shrapnel to my arm face and eyes from a hand grenade. I didn’t even know I was wounded from it other then the concussion of the blast hurt my entire body.
To be clear the rounds that hit me were from RPK(7.62)
@@VictoryOrValhalla14 did you have on eye pro? If so did it help protect your eyes ?
"Me and Jesus were wearing Armor back in the day"...... HILARIOUS!
Never in my life did I think I would see body armor that can legitimately stop a 50 cal
Check out Buffman's run. 1980s era plate.
Veteran's Mfg. in Katy, TX has had 50BMG armor for over 3 years now. They have the plate in a display case with an endless video loop showing the plate being shot.
Wouldn't you still die? It would stop the bullet but wouldn't the internal damage still be too much?
@@jscarpa2002 yeah probably still dead, but that's kool af
@@jscarpa2002 Yeah you're dead, but at least you're still in one piece so the casket can be open at the funeral. Gotta think about this from all perspectives.
For all the 50 cal. "There's no hole, but the trauma/energy will kill you" folks: We also thought this until we had the plate tested in a ballistic lab. The first shot was just a few mm higher (backface deformation) than the current Army specification for plates in the field. So, no you would not die or get turned into mush from the first shot. But the 2nd shot - There's no hole but the trauma/energy will kill you. Lol.
It’s mind boggling that there’s armor out there that can take a 50 cal. slug AND you’ll live! The future is here. Now make it also flexible and sell coats made out of it. ;)
I know which company im buying my next plates from
This is some high quality stuff. Definitely gonna invest in these plates. Wondering if the Karl Special, "TR50" plate can withstand the API round ooor a 20mm rifle round.
Nope
The first shot makes you shit your drawers.
In the modern age there are many reasons civilians should have body armor. Softer and lighter makes it more convenient and less obtrusive.
Where should civilians were body armor?
@@Sun-Tzu- there’s never not a place to wear armor. There r cases out there where some people get shot over a pack of cigarettes or their wallet. Obviously your not gunna go running around downtown New York with a plate carrier and lvl4 armor but a lvl 2 or 3a soft vest wouldn’t hurt anything depending on how thick or thin it is. It’s even more concealable in a colder climate where jackets r frequently worn. Another factor would be general location, facing facts there r some places in America where personally I’d feel a lot saver with even a lvl 2 vest.
And it's cheaper
@@sirkrow7118 time to move if your city is like that, no armor for your head
@@sirkrow7118 what the fuck is wrong with America? I have never once felt like I should be wearing body armour where I live.
Checked the website their level 4 plates are 4.8 and 5.8 pounds. Not 1.7. They’re like 700-1000 per level 4 plate. I would add the lvl 4 plate with safe life defense FRAS vest. That’s a crazy combo.
Seeing is believing. That's some impressive stuff. Looks like a lot of fun, too. Besides the great content, Karl I have never seen anyone navigate, or even address really the commercial breaks like you do. It's very funny. Thanks for all of it.
Carl, thanks a ton for the insight on this topic. Very helpful information for us civilians prepping for grim times.
Glad, to help. Thanks for watching, TR
Wow!!! Love those slow mo shots but hearing Karl and Imri’s evil laugh.....priceless!!!
Wore 3A as a cop. Kevlar with a ceramic trauma plate on the front chest. Never had a bullet hit it but did get hit on numerous occasions with hand held blunt force weapons. It helped alot!!!! But the vest was almost 12lbs all up.Not terribly heavy until you've been on a 12hr 110 degree day.
Always have to smile when watching Karl talking. such a cool dude. like how you make your channel
brother hello from Austria
This was LITERALLY another great video!!!😂👍
I would love to see penetration testing on body armor 5, 10 and more years after it's official expiration just to see how it's capability changes over time, and how fast and severe the drop-off really is.
It would be interesting. The results would likely vary with the patterns of use of the plate or soft armor. Most of these warranty/expiration periods seem to presume daily or regular use. I started with steel plates, but I will have no reservation about getting poly or ceramic plates because I don't foresee them degrading to any significant extent for those of us who are rarely, if ever likely to wear them and store them in nice climate controlled environments.
I agree
@@kenofken9458 Correct, the warranty is expecting the plates to be worn regularly and be in varying climates, such as trunk of a police cruiser in hot or cold weather. The dates are also conservative for liability reasons. If you dont heavily abuse them and they spend most of their time sitting in your closet theyll easily last 10+ years. After that point you’ll probably want newer better lighter stronger ones anyhow and keep the old ones for training
It has a 60 month warranty from date it s delivered. I think that’s awesome. I wonder what the actual shelf life is though 🤔. I’m not a huge guy so the light stuff makes it or breaks it for me.
@@kenofken9458 never use steel. They are defeated by speed. Any round going fast enough will beat it. Also spalling. I don’t care what any company says about whatever coating they put on them you will get spall and that can and will kill. Finally they aren’t that much cheaper anymore you can spend the same on ceramic and PE plates that have a lm NIJ rating and are reputable… and steel plates weight 2x as much. Fuck any and all steel plates
imagine the full body armor suit this company could make with lightweight materials like this.
That was bad ass! Thanks Karl! Great stuff man
Thank you TR Karl. Great info and great video as usual. I use level IIIA ploy plates while working security but seeing the RF plates definitely looking to upgrade with Dayton Armor.....
This is what makes America 🇺🇸 the most amazing place to live and be part of.
That was a lot of laughs in a very somber time period.
Thank you for the vid and your service to this great country.
Glad you enjoyed it
UHMWPE very good, multi-hit and really light. Running some level 3+ plates front, back and two side panels in the vest without the kit attached, it weighs about six pounds and will stop up to a .308. A little thicker but light and reasonably priced.
If memory serves me well UHMWPE plates stop 308 really well but green tip will pass through.
For the weight tho it’s amazing.
@@kekistanimememan170
Yeah, I've heard that steel cores go through it like butter. Gotta have at least some ceramic in there to deal with that.
@@manictiger that what the ESAPI plates were basically a silicon boride layer with a poly backer.
@@manictiger As he said at the end of the video, whatever you wear, someone has something that will get through it. Ceramic armour has limits too, nothing is guaranteed. You have to be realistic about the threats you're likely to face, and dress accordingly. Being hit by something in an area NOT covered by the plates is always a distinct possibility... and level 4+ plates won't help if your head explodes.
@@another3997
Dude, M855 is one of the most common rounds out there. It is a realistic threat. Sh77 ain't 1956 anymore.
Thanks for the great information and thank you for your service
The ending scene felt poetic, awesome videos thanks Karl
That was impressive. I didn't know they made anything that lightweight.
Same here, Just checked the price and it's not bad. I thought It would be outlandish.
@@PaletoB what plate on their website is this?
@@jokesonyou1253 I think it’s the RF3HP
Endless potential for up armored jockstraps! I can hear Jerry yelling “shut up an take dees money”!
Great stuff! Really enjoy your videos. Thank you
Thanks for watching!
That was pretty Kick-Ass bro we appreciate the knowledge
Very interesting. That PE seems very tough given it's overall thickness and weight. While you couldn't kill this stuff, I probably could :D
Probably frangibles.
It's what i believe was done in the Vet Manufac UHMWPE run. The API busting it notched that up, UHMWPE sucks against steel or tungsten.
I have the feeling the plate is fairly well made, if nothing else. I wonder...
BFD on that AK shot on the first plate was rough
Do it do it
The speculation is that they are using HB210 or HB212, current generation PE. With that material "stopping" those threats at this thickness isn't an issue, but it's not done because the BFS would be too high, and the multi-hit capability would be diminished. Al seem to agree when looking at those specs on Dayton's PDFs.
To say Dayton Armor is the "best armor" on the planet is a misnomer, it's more like heading towards a different direction than what's safe. They take a "safe" formula and shaved it down, kind of like Hesco but more extreme.
@@trechtzach8151 "The speculation is" ... proof that you don't actually know? I'm willing to bet that given the choice between a high velocity rifle round destroying several major organs on it's way through their body, or suffering trauma from BFD... most people would take the latter. Sensible people, the ones that don't assume every threat automatically hits small armour plates, would probably be wearing some soft body armour underneath. At the very least, some kind of padding would be a sensible idea.
I favorited this just for that laugh after shooting the plate lmao
Also, if nobody ever told ya, you had a sick stache back in the day Karl
Makes sense! If you are just protecting your house, steel plates are enough, if you have to go somewhere else and protect someone or be on the move ceramic plates (lighter) or use soft backers with one or both.
Badass video guys. Those plates look awesome. Killer shooting lmri
Karl's maniacal laugh is my new favorite thing. 0:33
I love that after all of that, in the end a little armor piercing bullet killed it 🤣🤣🤣
This was Awesome Carl. We want More! :-) Cheers from Texas USA
Great video. Answers some more questions I had. 👊
I’m glad you said caliber armor! We trust your opinion. 3A shooters cut
All I had in my school backpack to protect me would have been a few rotten bananas. I love how you guys have so many body armour options available yet here it's illegal to own because trying to save your life from a potential gunshot is illegal. You would probably be charged for owning medieval chainmail or even a jockstrap.
Unfortunately I don't think they will be getting much from taxpayers in the future after they have destroyed the economy
Actually I lie I do have a few 22lr rated phone books from the 80s that are about 6 inches thick 🤣🤣🤣 probably illegal hahahah
Come to the states bro!
Where do u live
I may as well live at the bottom of the Marianas Trench
I truly love your content! I will have to check out Dayton Armor!
Wow, carrier did a great job! Thanks for the video.
It is amazing to see armor reach up to and start to be able to stop even 50.cal rounds.
Now if we just add a couple of grand and include the shock absorbing materials that are being tested we might see soldiers survive center mass impacts from even a 50.cal sniper.
Defense technology is catching up to it's gunpowder era weapons at at last. I wonder how that will be countered in the future?
That's a good question honestly. When body armor starts to regularly out perform and stop modern ballistics, two valid options will be rounds using more kinetic force such as hand held rail guns or high heat weaponry capable of burning through the armor. For the longest time the bullet has had the advantage and now it seems the playing field is becoming more even.
"I like weird shit..." - Carl, 2021
Man, you guys have all the fun!
Awesome video Karl 🇺🇸
Karl, I heard you got the Rona. I hope you're doing OK brother. All of our prayers are heading your way man. Stay in the fight....We Love you Karl. Mad respect homie....
I'll be fine. I just need a week of sleep. THanks for the support.
@@TacticalRifleman Outstanding news. See you in a week.
Dayton armors sales just went through the fuckin stratosphere.
Sold out on large
Without a doubt my new favorite channel. Carl is absolutely amazing. The “Carl Special”, hahahaha.
It’s not as bad for the $$ for that rating at that price point I will be running these soon!! Thanks for the review.
OUTSTANDING!! If I ever have a few grand burning a hole in my pocket. I'm grabbing the Safelife Defense FRAS, with these plates for the heard armor inserts!! Can't beat that combination!!!
FRAS is kinda cringe. Roll oer to Hexar for the real deal.
And if you want hard plates...
Might I suggest something from RMA?
@@KoishiVibin You gotta admit these plates are pretty awesome! I'm looking at getting some level 4 Scorpion Tactical plates. I've seen them take some serious damage without pass through! I'll check out your suggestions though.
I’m going with FRAS 3+ stand-alone. Best plates IMO. Only flexible 3+
Hey Karl, would you consider doing a video on those expired plates you have?
Perhaps some types of materials will still be able to stop threats they were once rated for.
There are like four videos on TH-cam, I think if you did a test it would be a hit.
Either way, thank you
(I’m not saying to wear expired armor... this is for less than optimal scenarios)
I’ll add it to the video idea list.
@@TacticalRifleman please do! That would be very interesting to see how different materials degrade over time
Great episode TacRif!
Thanks for watching, TR
Best armor plate video out there!
Thanks
Mike, you are welcome.
Mr Gunslinger on Tactical Rifleman's comments. It's like watching DC's Superman shooting the bull with Marvel's Captain America. Universes colliding. I absolutely love it.
Love the video! I'm definitely interested in purchasing a set of their RF1 or RF2+ plates given that they're about a pound lighter than anything else on the market; however, I'm concerned about the lack of information on the Dayton Armor products outside of this video. I've tried contacting them for more info, but never received a response. It would be great if you could shoot their RF1/RF2+ plates so we can see how their higher rated commercially available plates perform with multiple impacts and different calibers!
Agreed. Almost no info about Dayton plates online. If I didn’t have a fairly high level of trust for Karl, I would be inclined to disregard them immediately. Still not quite sure I want to trust my life to them based on this one video.
You deserve my subscription and many more. Thanks for this video.
Thanks for the sub!
When the shooter started laughing wildly after the .50 cal shot, I gave a like.
The anti spalling coat on the metal plates capture the metal fragments. Ive seen many test videos about it. However if you have a big gut and the plate is at a 45 degree angle, that metal plate will deflect the bullet right at your face/ neck. Just sharing some info
Three incontrovertible facts:
1. Thanks Karl for the informative information & knowledge on body armor!
2. I'm glad Karl is on our side!
3. karl isn't one you'd want to tick off then meet in a dark alley or any alley for that matter! 🤣
#tacticalriflemanfamily
Cool Video 👍
Thank U for the Info and Links 👍
Another outstanding video and presentation.
Glad you enjoyed it
That 50 cal hit still would have killed you. To much blunt force trauma to the chest. Still impressive though!
That sub-2lb lvl4 plate is insane. I've heard that it exists, but this this is first time seeing them or knowing where to get them. I've only seen lvl3 plates get under 2lbs a plate
As I understood, Dayton Armor does not sell level IV plates. level IV is replaced by RF3, but the best I could find in Dayton armor is RF2+, which is rated for 5.56mm M855 BT
There is no mention of a level IV plate on their website. The lightest level IV plate that is an actually NIJ listed model is the Hesco 4800 series ranging from 4.5-5 ish lbs depending on size.
@@brandonpowell480 exactly. This is just an advertisement for Dayton armor and he doesn’t have any idea what he’s talking about. He actually recommended steel armor...wtf
Inpressive result ! Great plate.
Thank you for your truth on the subject 👍
Does anybody know if these 50 cals were left in the A-stan with all the other crap we gave the Taliban?
Pretty much, yeah. Among fuckloads of other sensitive equipment. So fucked lol
T-band has held several parades with all the gear donated to them by the empty suits. Videos of them in formation with tons of .50 cal rifles, are all over this platform. Forget the .50s, the next guys who go in, need to be more concerned with drones, mortars, manpads, Paladins, ATMs, ATGMs (Javelin, Dragon), etc…
And a lot of actual military grade full auto m16 rifles. Yet Americans can’t have that stuff.
Govt sees citizens as threats; not so with Taliban.
Karl…first & foremost, thank you for your service to our country. I enjoy the hell out of watching your videos. But I wanted to comment on this one. Please do not feel that this is criticism. I’m just merely an old Army Ranger making some points. In this video I noticed that the plate you put through the .50 cal torture test “Karl Special” is not something that they currently sell to LEO, SWAT guys or civilians. I’m not even sure if it was just a collaborative effort specially made for you by Dayton Armor. They seem to be a high speed, low drag company but I’m truly curious as to how the RF1 and RF2 plates actually stand up to the specific threats they are designed to defeat. I see very little about them online and even less reviews. I’m very curious as to their claims. I’m in the market for a set of thin, lightweight plates that I can use in conjunction with the SHITTY, useless soft armor my department issues. What’s the possibility of setting something like this up? After 12yrs as a Ranger and 24yrs as a LEO my old, broken down, metal & pin filled body no longer wants to carry a bulky, heavy ceramic plate which is why I’m searching the polyethylene plates. The RF1 at .38” thick and 1.6lbs is right up my alley. Do you have any additional resources I can look into about Dayton Armor? The fact that certain “varsity” teams that don’t “exist” are using them has piqued my interest. Thanks.
We are gonna film a follow up video with Dayton Armor and I will address your concerns.
@@TacticalRifleman if you don’t mind my asking…if running Dayton Armor what plate are you currently running?
@@TacticalRifleman yes myself and many others share the same view, highly interested in these Dayton R1 & R2 looking forward to the follow up Karl!
@@TacticalRifleman Any update on this? Did you end up doing a follow up? Looking at Dayton Armor plates and they claim to make the plates for Velocity.
Karl is hilarious. Awesome video guys.
That was fun. Time to break out the checkbook.
Imagine living in a country where you should think about buying a military grade body armor for your children while him/her going to school. Crazy stuff.
Great stuff!
+1 for the classic Dirty Harry reference. Excellent film
That was freakin amazing !!
I was in total shock that the dummy didn't get knocked over with the .50 at point blank range. That is a LOT of energy
Very informative & honest
This is the best love it!
Hey Karl great video sir, was in your neck of the woods last week training, we stayed in murry and shot over at hilltop
HighCom and Hesco are the two Best makers I know of. I wear 3/4” thick, 8” x 10” full cut front & rear level 4 standalone HighCom made plates on top of my Armor Express Razor level 2 soft armor panels in a Revolution concealable carrier. 😆👍🏻
Highcom yes, hesco has the most failed follow up testing from the NIJ.
Nicely done brother 👍 The Lotec
What would be absolutely great to see is if you managed to put some sort of sensor in the inside of gel to see how much force is actually passed through and what kind of damage that can do.
high speed tactical Chris Walken lol. all fun and games, great video man!!!! thank you
New to your channel. No nonsense right to the point. New subscriber
Great video. I'm subscribed. Awesome content
Awesome, thank you!
Dayton Armor,,,,, in case mom wants an open casket,,, awesome vid brother
Karl, you just had to show off that gold Desert Eagle....LOL that smile on your face said it all... pretty sweet piece there.
That Imri's blaster
Wow these armor are insane! They are sooo light weight!
I just wanted to let you know that video was Friggen Awesome !!!!! Thanks for using your vest n Ballistic gel , top half of a man ( most realistic I’ve seen ) keep up your good work !!!! ✌️🍀😉✨😷💥💥🔫
FIRST VIDEO I'VEHAD THE PLEASURE TO SEE. EXCELLENT. I OWNED A SMALL CLOSE PROTECTION COMPANY IN THE 80s & 90s
Ultimate!! Ordering dayton plates have carriers, your awesome!!
Glad you like them!
Damn Karl, .50 BMG - that plate is impressive!
Yes, it will hurt like hell, but at least your still alive!!
I'm wearing ShotStop Duritium GT2 plates, but now...
Thanks for bringing us this knowledge. I had no idea this company even existed.
Our pleasure!
Thanks for video brother
You are welcome
Just looked on their website. $700 per plate for RF+2 sure isn’t cheap, but at barely 2.98lbs each?! That’s 1/3 the weight of steel! That’s ridiculous!!! I need these in my life!
@Dan Trebune I would LOVE to be able to buy those TR-50 plates! I’m sure they’d be like $1500 each, but they’re incredible for being the same thickness as Hesco 4800 series plates. Plus I’ve NEVER seen a plate of any kind stop a 50BMG! The energy transfer of M193 must be so tiny with plates like that!
Would like to see a video comparing Dayton's different products.
That company is 10 minutes from me... will have to swing by! Thanks for this!
Any time!
Love your Channel....!
I have to say that I am 1) deeply impressed and 2) really want to see what a Silver Tip would do (well...fairly obvious result, but the footage would be really cool).
mmmm that crisp 50 cal raking sound
Love this guy❤
fun/informative video!
I've got swimmer plates for my rifle kit rn, it was kind of a "buy it and try it" just to learn i think i prefer the extra coverage. They were on sale to.