@@redblueyankee8343 I don't think you really have to worry about Malaysia and Indonesia. Both countries don't want war. Isn't it also very islamophobic, even racist to assume that just because they are Muslims, they can't be trusted? It is funny you should say that because both Malaysia and Indonesia enjoy very good relationships with China. Malaysia has no real disputes with China in the SCS and Petronas is happily drilling oil there and China is happily buying their oil. Indonesia literally is part of the BRI and has the first HSR in SE Asia built by China. In fact, the only country in SE Asia that has a problem with China is Philippines and they are inviting a wolf in our midst, the US which is trying to turn Philippines into another proxy against China. Its president has the stolen assets of the Philippines people still in Hawaii. Guess what, they are Catholic, not Muslims.
@@redblueyankee8343 what kind of nonsense are you babbling. Because they are Muslim majority countries so they are untrustworthy? Indonesia and Malaysia have no problem with China. Indonesia is part of BRI and likely a strong candidate for BRICS. Malaysia is happily selling the oil it drilled up in the SCS to China. Meanwhile the catholic bozo of a country, Philippines is fast becoming a dog of the US, threatening the region's security by inviting a wolf into our midst.
I think it will be great if you can do a historical view on the PLAN destroyer evolution since the 90s. Last time the overview that you did on the Chinese naval shipyards was awesome. These kinds of big picture perspective are very valuable and few people in the west like to make videos that are fair to the history of the PLAN.
With the obviously deteriorating relations between China and the US, one wonders just how fast China can build frigates, destroyers and submarines. I suppose we may well find out, soon enough, in view of Anthony Blinken's very inflammatory public statements re. the relationship, whilst still on Chinese territory.
With the current economic, political and social turmoils in China, these ships are nothing more than diversion, a political statement from Xi Jinping who may no longer be in power before its actual operational capabilities ae realized, Chinese people deserve better governance and leadership more than anything else. #CCPDaysAreNumbered
Providing the hull can accommodate further upgrades, why not use the Shenzen as a continuing development platform? There's no reason why this process could not be repeated, and the integration information and experience would be very useful in trying out new sensor and weapon system combinations, solving operational and installation problems, before fleet - wide roll-out. Far more efficient than using front-line vessels, whilst maintaining an acceptable level of capability.
The 051b was sent on all the foreign port calls because it was the biggest ship at the time that China could reliably maintain and supply spare parts for the engine. Everything else at the time used some American or Russian engine that they needed to save the operating life on if an actual war started.
There was a folktale about the 167 ShenZhen and the 168 GuangZhou. In Cantonese, the 167 is kind of “big xxxx” meaning, the 168 is kind of “good luck” meaning. So the GuangZhou government took their advantage as the capital city of GuangDong province, made sure the 168 belongs to GuangZhou and 167 to the ShenZhen. That’s kind of self-proofing since as the Chinese NAVY naming conventions, GuangZheb as a higher order city, should named a ship before ShenZhen. You can ask any Cantonese speaking people about the number 167 and 168, and they should understand why one is very bad and the other is good.
The best destination for 051B is being acquired by Thailand, Pakistan, and African countries. This modified ship can easily enhance the capabilities of the navies of the relevant countries. The most important thing is affordability. The Navy version of the Hongqi-16C has a basic range of 70 kilometers and a maximum range of 160 kilometers (for missile replacement). 1130 goes without saying, it is now the best close range gun in the world. YJ12B has a full range of ultra-low altitude supersonic speeds, up to 4 times the speed of sound, and a range of 400 kilometers (equipped with 16 missiles). This ship also has a fleet command system for 051B. Although this ship is 24 years old, its combat capability is very strong. It can be sold for 250 million US dollars, equipped with ammunition. In this way, we can change the name of the improved Type 055 to Shenzhen, which would be better if it were a nuclear powered aircraft carrier. It is best to sell all 052052B and 052C. Recycling funds for better equipment.
@@alexalbrecht5768 The CIWS of 051B is sufficient for small countries to use. The CIWS of 055 definitely exceeds all countries except for the latest version in the United States. I'm talking about second-hand warships here, how can you extend it to CIWS. Brain broken?
@@SpruceWood-NEG your usage of that term was not great but whatever. There’s a reason most navies don’t operate large surface combatants. African countries definitely can’t do it. I can think of a list of CIWS platforms that are either equivalent or superior to that of the 051B and 055. The real interesting question is how long gun based CIWS platforms remain before they are supplanted by missile based systems like SeaRAM.
@@alexalbrecht5768 Algeria, China's traditional military equipment partner. Can you give an example of a better proximity gun than the 1130. The firing rate of 1130 is 11500 rounds per minute. The maximum elevation angle of the machine gun is 85 degrees, the maximum pitch angle is -25 degrees, the maximum horizontal speed is 70 degrees/second, the maximum pitch speed is 50 degrees/second, the effective range is 4000 meters, and the maximum range is 5000 meters. The radar system is divided into two sets. One set is its own small three sided shield phased array radar, which includes various sensors such as radar, optics, infrared, and laser, as well as target tracking systems. Another set of shipborne long-range 346B dual band large-scale radar system combined with 055. The closer defense system I mentioned, stronger than the 1130, was the laser defense system originally planned by the US military to be deployed on the Jumwalt level. Okay, now you can give an example of which close range defense system on Earth is stronger than 1130.
@@alexalbrecht5768 I found that you are particularly fond of digressing when discussing issues. Earlier, we talked about second-hand warships, but you said close range guns. Now we're talking about close range guns, and you're also talking about close range missiles. Are we going to talk about laser defense weapons next? Can you answer me a question? I have found that many people in Western countries are unable to concentrate when discussing issues, and it is easy to deviate from the topic. Why is this happening? Is it an educational issue? I would like to ask if your high school and university specifically educate all students on logical thinking skills, contradiction studies, and dialectical thinking.
This was an important ship that laid the foundation for much better following ships, and in particular, the Type 055, bring them on par with the US AGEIS destroyers. The Type 346B radar (NATO code "Dragon Eye") has an array large enough to detect the F-35 and F-22 at a range of about 200 nautical miles, perhaps farther. The Area Defense capabilities are on par with US now. This is why the Air Force needed the B21. The Dragon Eye can see the smaller planes, but it may struggle with the large B21. Of course the AGEIS might struggle with the H-20 for the same reason. The H-20 does not have to be as good as the B-21, but as the old saying goes, perfection is the enemy of good enough. I think this is the case with the O55, Type 346B, and the H-20.
@@williamblomster2387 Like when was the last time a destroyer sunk a ship with a deck gun? Ship warfare, like ariel warfare, is done by rockets and missiles. Also the Chinese ships only have to get to Taiwan. That is their future target and because they are already there, they don't have to be all that fast. Everyone here seems to want to make it appear that China is a military treat to the US and they are not and they don't want to be. Their focus is the re-unification of Taiwan and their ships are more than good enough to accomplish that. They have about 2 more years to finish building out their other weapons systems, and when they do, their slow destroyers will be fast enough to do the job.
@@williamblomster2387 I was on an Adams class DDG commissioned in 1960....we did 36+ kts in 1984 in Sea Trials and could handle ourselves alone from any threat
Not a test ship. It’s a stopgap between 052 and 052B/C hull that was under development, which was running into delays. PLAN wouldn’t have anything launched for most of the entire 90’s if they didn’t build 051.
butthurt??? never grow bigger before??? dude... growing bigger is the safest way to reach the higher places and won't fall because they don't need to climb to "put themself in risk by challenging somethings that they're not capable with"... 😉😏😪🥸 (my god... those american's puppet countries are sooo annoying... small, short, little... but barking loud...)
PLA ships are flimsy they bumped a Philippine coast guard ship that was smaller and the Filipino punctured the hull of the much larger Chinese Coast guard vessel.
@@taiwanstillisntacountry What do you expect from Pinoy? They really believe their rusty coast guard vessel damaged the hull of China coastguard ship, despite BBC reporter sat inside PH ship yet there is no single photo of evidence but just "word of mouth". No wonder they are famous as the c4ncer of South East Asia.
The Chinese produce 50% of all global shipping, I feel their European and Middle Eastern customers, who have deep pockets and high standards, would not be buying their ships if they were garbage.
Ahh yes. Just like how Shenzhen economic zone is the experiment into market economy. The 051B is the experiment into big surface ship building.
In some ways, this ship is indicative of the last 30 years of growth of the Chinese Navy
from 051B to now 055..... not many navies can upgrade their ships at such breakneck speed
32 cell VLS, 16x supersonic AShM, towed array sonar, and can carry 2 helos, that's enough to go toe to toe with most ships in SE Asia.
None of the SE Asian country has a Destroyer that is more than 6500 tonnes
We Vietnamese don't want war with our brother - China. I'm fell worry more about Malaysia and Indonesia than China (because they're Muslim countries)
@@redblueyankee8343 I don't think you really have to worry about Malaysia and Indonesia. Both countries don't want war. Isn't it also very islamophobic, even racist to assume that just because they are Muslims, they can't be trusted?
It is funny you should say that because both Malaysia and Indonesia enjoy very good relationships with China. Malaysia has no real disputes with China in the SCS and Petronas is happily drilling oil there and China is happily buying their oil. Indonesia literally is part of the BRI and has the first HSR in SE Asia built by China.
In fact, the only country in SE Asia that has a problem with China is Philippines and they are inviting a wolf in our midst, the US which is trying to turn Philippines into another proxy against China. Its president has the stolen assets of the Philippines people still in Hawaii. Guess what, they are Catholic, not Muslims.
hunk of junk...very slow ship
@@redblueyankee8343 what kind of nonsense are you babbling. Because they are Muslim majority countries so they are untrustworthy?
Indonesia and Malaysia have no problem with China. Indonesia is part of BRI and likely a strong candidate for BRICS. Malaysia is happily selling the oil it drilled up in the SCS to China.
Meanwhile the catholic bozo of a country, Philippines is fast becoming a dog of the US, threatening the region's security by inviting a wolf into our midst.
I think it will be great if you can do a historical view on the PLAN destroyer evolution since the 90s. Last time the overview that you did on the Chinese naval shipyards was awesome. These kinds of big picture perspective are very valuable and few people in the west like to make videos that are fair to the history of the PLAN.
Thanks! I will look into it at some point.
051B has been and will always be a testing platform for PLAN’s new technologies.
With the obviously deteriorating relations between China and the US, one wonders just how fast China can build frigates, destroyers and submarines. I suppose we may well find out, soon enough, in view of Anthony Blinken's very inflammatory public statements re. the relationship, whilst still on Chinese territory.
Faster then a blink😉
In the Blink of an eye!!!😂😂
The size of China's navy may double by 2030.
With the current economic, political and social turmoils in China, these ships are nothing more than diversion, a political statement from Xi Jinping who may no longer be in power before its actual operational capabilities ae realized, Chinese people deserve better governance and leadership more than anything else. #CCPDaysAreNumbered
Chinese can build warships very fast and in different types but american has to chose if it produces subs or ships. Very sad
The term I like to use for these ships is "a technological testbed".
Very good video. I always wondered about her design and history.
Providing the hull can accommodate further upgrades, why not use the Shenzen as a continuing development platform? There's no reason why this process could not be repeated, and the integration information and experience would be very useful in trying out new sensor and weapon system combinations, solving operational and installation problems, before fleet - wide roll-out. Far more efficient than using front-line vessels, whilst maintaining an acceptable level of capability.
Presumably if their not complete ijits, they would have reserved something like something like 200 to 400 tons of buyoancy for upgrades. 😊
Not big enough for that. European Navies are launching FFGs that are 6000+ tons.
Size
PLAN has specialized test platform ship, for testing new systems at sea, 891 毕升，BiSheng。
The 051b was sent on all the foreign port calls because it was the biggest ship at the time that China could reliably maintain and supply spare parts for the engine. Everything else at the time used some American or Russian engine that they needed to save the operating life on if an actual war started.
All the designs of PLA's large destroyers today are derived from the DDG Shenzhen ship. It is the beginning of the legend.
There was a folktale about the 167 ShenZhen and the 168 GuangZhou. In Cantonese, the 167 is kind of “big xxxx” meaning, the 168 is kind of “good luck” meaning. So the GuangZhou government took their advantage as the capital city of GuangDong province, made sure the 168 belongs to GuangZhou and 167 to the ShenZhen. That’s kind of self-proofing since as the Chinese NAVY naming conventions, GuangZheb as a higher order city, should named a ship before ShenZhen. You can ask any Cantonese speaking people about the number 167 and 168, and they should understand why one is very bad and the other is good.
😂😂😂
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The best destination for 051B is being acquired by Thailand, Pakistan, and African countries. This modified ship can easily enhance the capabilities of the navies of the relevant countries. The most important thing is affordability. The Navy version of the Hongqi-16C has a basic range of 70 kilometers and a maximum range of 160 kilometers (for missile replacement). 1130 goes without saying, it is now the best close range gun in the world. YJ12B has a full range of ultra-low altitude supersonic speeds, up to 4 times the speed of sound, and a range of 400 kilometers (equipped with 16 missiles). This ship also has a fleet command system for 051B. Although this ship is 24 years old, its combat capability is very strong. It can be sold for 250 million US dollars, equipped with ammunition. In this way, we can change the name of the improved Type 055 to Shenzhen, which would be better if it were a nuclear powered aircraft carrier. It is best to sell all 052052B and 052C. Recycling funds for better equipment.
How do you suppose the Chinese CIWS is the best and the world lol? It definitely doesn’t go without saying.
@@alexalbrecht5768 The CIWS of 051B is sufficient for small countries to use. The CIWS of 055 definitely exceeds all countries except for the latest version in the United States. I'm talking about second-hand warships here, how can you extend it to CIWS. Brain broken?
@@SpruceWood-NEG your usage of that term was not great but whatever. There’s a reason most navies don’t operate large surface combatants. African countries definitely can’t do it. I can think of a list of CIWS platforms that are either equivalent or superior to that of the 051B and 055. The real interesting question is how long gun based CIWS platforms remain before they are supplanted by missile based systems like SeaRAM.
@@alexalbrecht5768 Algeria, China's traditional military equipment partner. Can you give an example of a better proximity gun than the 1130. The firing rate of 1130 is 11500 rounds per minute. The maximum elevation angle of the machine gun is 85 degrees, the maximum pitch angle is -25 degrees, the maximum horizontal speed is 70 degrees/second, the maximum pitch speed is 50 degrees/second, the effective range is 4000 meters, and the maximum range is 5000 meters. The radar system is divided into two sets. One set is its own small three sided shield phased array radar, which includes various sensors such as radar, optics, infrared, and laser, as well as target tracking systems. Another set of shipborne long-range 346B dual band large-scale radar system combined with 055. The closer defense system I mentioned, stronger than the 1130, was the laser defense system originally planned by the US military to be deployed on the Jumwalt level. Okay, now you can give an example of which close range defense system on Earth is stronger than 1130.
@@alexalbrecht5768 I found that you are particularly fond of digressing when discussing issues. Earlier, we talked about second-hand warships, but you said close range guns. Now we're talking about close range guns, and you're also talking about close range missiles. Are we going to talk about laser defense weapons next? Can you answer me a question? I have found that many people in Western countries are unable to concentrate when discussing issues, and it is easy to deviate from the topic. Why is this happening? Is it an educational issue? I would like to ask if your high school and university specifically educate all students on logical thinking skills, contradiction studies, and dialectical thinking.
DDG167: Too old for PLAN, but quite advanced for the majority of navies in the world.
Smart game plan!
Are you planning to upload videos on your other Channel or is that Channel out of order?
what's the other channel?
@@kumbackquatsta Naval Enthusiasts
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Is the new Hello Kitty class ship?
Brother make a vedio about Chinese military vs us military 2024 edition
This was an important ship that laid the foundation for much better following ships, and in particular, the Type 055, bring them on par with the US AGEIS destroyers. The Type 346B radar (NATO code "Dragon Eye") has an array large enough to detect the F-35 and F-22 at a range of about 200 nautical miles, perhaps farther. The Area Defense capabilities are on par with US now. This is why the Air Force needed the B21. The Dragon Eye can see the smaller planes, but it may struggle with the large B21. Of course the AGEIS might struggle with the H-20 for the same reason. The H-20 does not have to be as good as the B-21, but as the old saying goes, perfection is the enemy of good enough. I think this is the case with the O55, Type 346B, and the H-20.
flank speed is only 26 knots..to slow to fight anyone
@@williamblomster2387 Like when was the last time a destroyer sunk a ship with a deck gun? Ship warfare, like ariel warfare, is done by rockets and missiles. Also the Chinese ships only have to get to Taiwan. That is their future target and because they are already there, they don't have to be all that fast. Everyone here seems to want to make it appear that China is a military treat to the US and they are not and they don't want to be. Their focus is the re-unification of Taiwan and their ships are more than good enough to accomplish that. They have about 2 more years to finish building out their other weapons systems, and when they do, their slow destroyers will be fast enough to do the job.
LOL....except they do not have the POWER available to run the arrays installed....it is all for SHOW
@@williamblomster2387 I was on an Adams class DDG commissioned in 1960....we did 36+ kts in 1984 in Sea Trials and could handle ourselves alone from any threat
@@michaelkendall662 of course,,,new ones are faster..new U.S. Navy gunboats have 100,000 horsepower and can do almost 60 knots
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RUSSIA should had that anti Thanksgiving radar
The T-51B
Do how d 055 came about, pls.
自己生产的
Stealed design from a random alien race I think.
@@russelfang7434 of course...
So they turned it into a Plus sized 054B.
Upgrades old ship for China navy have good abilities compatible to new western large frigate.😁
@$ 0:20 ❤❤.
So it’s a test ship only
Not a test ship. It’s a stopgap between 052 and 052B/C hull that was under development, which was running into delays. PLAN wouldn’t have anything launched for most of the entire 90’s if they didn’t build 051.
Compro 50.000 navios dessa classe para a marinha do Brasil Rio de Janeiro Brasil
Op ship for fighting fishing boats.
Spray water at pinoys...Sounds fun!!😅😅
@@calvinblue894 Their ships asked for free cleaning, let them have it
China in fake😂😂😂
Is this a fishing boat?😂
No it’s not no a fishing boat. It’s definitely a better warship than Philippine boat.
@@lktan224 really! There is another USS WARSHIP practice target..
@@lktan224 Your reputation speaks 😆 made in CHINA😆😂
So Chinese technology looks like usa but really is russian at heart thata funny that is a small ship that would be sunk without hesitation
The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
That goes for anything and anyone.
well the usa has bigger tonnage ships, so are you saying that they will fall before the lighter tonnage ships? 🤣
Which country are you from?
@@SpruceWood-NEG He's a wimpy filippino
Lucky little-India has no big ships.
Close your hatches boi's
butthurt??? never grow bigger before??? dude... growing bigger is the safest way to reach the higher places and won't fall because they don't need to climb to "put themself in risk by challenging somethings that they're not capable with"... 😉😏😪🥸
(my god... those american's puppet countries are sooo annoying... small, short, little... but barking loud...)
PLA ships are flimsy they bumped a Philippine coast guard ship that was smaller and the Filipino punctured the hull of the much larger Chinese Coast guard vessel.
r u aware of how dumb u r?
Bollywood movies?
蠢猪
@@taiwanstillisntacountry What do you expect from Pinoy? They really believe their rusty coast guard vessel damaged the hull of China coastguard ship, despite BBC reporter sat inside PH ship yet there is no single photo of evidence but just "word of mouth". No wonder they are famous as the c4ncer of South East Asia.
The Chinese produce 50% of all global shipping, I feel their European and Middle Eastern customers, who have deep pockets and high standards, would not be buying their ships if they were garbage.
@$ 0:41 ❤❤.