DC & Helwani talk Dan Hardy-Herb Dean confrontation | ESPN MMA
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- Daniel Cormier and Ariel Helwani react to the confrontation between referee Herb Dean and UFC commentator Dan Hardy over the stoppage of Francisco Trinaldo’s win vs. Jai Herbert at UFC Fight Night.
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They should settle it in the octagon with Mario reffing
Herb Dean was actually a pro fighter before he’d kill skinny Dan Hardy
A M lol dan hardy was also a pro fighter
Andi yeah but he’d lose against Herb
@@Amzyy Dan fought for a belt in the UFC. Herb hasn't
A M Dan Hardy is a former title challenger that fought GSP for the belt, what are you talking about lol
Dan Hardy screamed "Stop the Fight!!" like that coach from Rocky 4 during Apollo vs Drago lmao
“He’s not getting killed..... he’s getting angry!”
Who
Lmaoooo
The Count was yelling even louder
Omg crazy as im watching the video thats exactly what i was thinking then i see your comment at the same time, crazy lol
In close-up DC's cap looks like Aljamain Sterling afro
I can’t unsee it😂
🤣 very nice observation. I can’t unsee it now either🤣
That's funny right there.
Bro im dead!
LOOOOOOOOOL
"Unnecessary punches"
"They were super necessary"
They seriously were necesarry he wasnt out yet I dont see what the big deal about the stoppage is
Classic Masvidal, went over most heads.
Gamebredddd!!!
super necessary... ha brent @sillysidetv
Couldn't the guy just scream "I quit!" He clearly wasn't taken out.
Every DC and Helwani show:
Ariel: speaks
DC: disagrees and assumes Ariel meant what he said in the most anti-fighter way possible
Ariel: explains
DC: agrees but adds an unnecessary qualification Ariel presented as a given
repeat.
Lmao this is so true, but I’ll still watch the videos aha
I agree it’s old even though it’s relatively new, it’s pointless having DC because he’s to diplomatic.
DC hates that he has to like Ariel
@@silvertroutsongs121 "ariel ariel ariel...." + words to the effect of "you just don't get it because you're not a fighter".
It's a little amazing how much he puts up with tbh.
Everyone can't stand Ariel , they just have to work with him , same with fighters that come on his show , they do it because they have to , to get their name out there and put up with Ariel in the meantime
He didn't have a delayed reaction
He went still
His eyes were empty
Lights were out
I'll let you reff 1,000 fights and let see in how many you screw it off
"Someone should have yelled stop the fight when my teeth were falling off." - Anthony Smith
@Eyehava PoopyButthole hopefully he thinks different now
@@oceanpacific3841 No he doesn't. Lol that's why he's a cage fighter at the highest level. With your shield or on it is cool sounding but there are guys like that who live it. Actually live it. I don't think Smith is kidding when he said he'd fire them.
YouIndeedSuck sadly, probably wont be for long, there is no reason to take damage when you can’t win anymore and any coach that will let their fighter take years off their career in order to preserve their ego’s is a terrible person and coach in my book
Pride can be a man's worst enemy.
@@Mrnemski. he wouldnt but he also doesnt want an out available to him. It will take his edge off slightly
The Corner man could call the fight.
Commentators should be in a booth so fighters don't hear them.
Herb Dean smelled alcohol and cigarettes! He should definitely be tested
- Trinaldo Cruz
😂🤣
These have been getting a little too much and super random lol this one wasn't bad tho lol
"You know, I'm getting up" - Dominick Herbert
Nice. I was about to post this, then I realised 50 other people already have😂
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Lol Ariel stirring the pot as usual and DC protecting his fellow commentator.... real unbiased journalism guys
Ariel you are being a douche !!!!!!!!!!!
I get the feeling you don’t know what journalism actually is, this show is commentary
Journalism is about stirring the pot yeah sure you might not like it but that’s the nature of reporting and journalism.
What? This is a fair convo on all sides....
Has harial ever even thrown a punch?
If Mario was reffing he would still be punching him in the face right now.
Ariel’s nose gets to work two hours before he does.
😂😂😂
He can smoke a cigaret under the shower👌🏻
He has to stand an extra 6 ft. to social distance
He can lay down and use his nose for a sundial
Zing ....I guess...
Imagine if the Famous Jones DC Head kick landed in a crowd less arena.....people would of thought DC was dead...
Hardy shouldn't have yelled out like that, just like DC shouldn't be yelling out things to his preferred fighter when he's commentating
They're fighters first and foremost, Dan empathized with the guy and so did Felder, and DC doesn't yell instructions to anyone because he prefers them, he's explaining wrestling to the viewers at home and because he's also a coach aswell as a fighter he likes to explain to us what the fighters should do to better their position
Plain and simple Dan Hardy is a friend to the guy. So he was more Sympathetic to that fighter. Big John said it best Herb would of been criticized for stopping it to early if he would of stopped it right away!!
@Big AFL Guy yes they should be far from the cage.
Yea he should have yelled u want him to just sit quiet while herb dean lets an unconscious fighters get his face pummeled
Big AFL Guy bro watch the replay the way he fell was out cold then doesn’t move at all and let’s trinaldo gets 4 free shots just cuz he’s hands are up doesn’t mean he’s aware. Holly got choked out cold and was throwing punches in her sleep doesn’t mean she wasn’t sleeping
When I saw it, my first thought was much respect for Trinaldo for not hitting him until he had to.
it kind of reminds me of the Jacare/Weidman fight were Jacare completely flattened Weidman with a punch and looked towards the ref thinking the fight was over but he didn't stop the fight so Jacare was forced to throw a few more shots to batter an already barely conscious Weidman that was laying on the ground trying to grab Souza's legs
@@yeahok8192 great comparison very similar. the way they fell straight back onto their head. basically frozen in time. should have stopped right away
That's a vet right there
Mario Yamasaki is proud of Herb Dean 😂🤣
💯🤣🤣🤣🤣
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smh if only Mario was around to ref Triple C fights, then maybe Dillashaw could've completed that single leg and made it out of the first 40 seconds of the fight, and Cruz wouldn't have had "No Sobriety" Kieth Peterson steal his second comeback away from him
people holding herb dean to a higher standard than they do cops, lol.
No, just to the standard he should be at. And he's lacking.
He’s a great ref 95% of the time. But there’s been too many off-nights. Missed taps, late stoppages etc. I still hold Goddard as the one who is best to have in there where the fighters safety is concerned.
A ref is there to limit harm done to fighters, that along with making sure the fight is fair is his ONLY job. Cops don't referee fights they arrest and/or kill criminals.
@@Scoobay Idk if anybody mentioned this but he might be getting a bit old to ref. Before I get all these people with thus bixing ref is 900 years old, chill I get it.
But the older you get the worse your hearing, eyes, reaction time, brain progressing stuff etc becomes.
Wow this is ignorant
Dude was winning the fight, you don’t wanna have an early stoppage if the guy that got knocked was winning the fight, he was giving him a chance to regain because had it been early..... oh boy conspiracy theories
It’s not the refs job to give anyone a chance, he’s there to save the fighter from himself. Dude was stiff
Commentators should control their emotions and be Professional or not be there. DC should remember that.
Dude covered up by the time Dean got there. Should have been stopped but it doesn’t bother me that it wasn’t. You know who else don’t care it was stopped? Herbert
What would you want if you got KOed like that and were 80% unconscious getting punched by an elite fighter. Have you ever been knocked out?
He was letting him be a warrior
Masvidal: "Those punches were super necessary"
Lmaoooooooooppooooooooooooooo
Haha
Dan hardy : those extra punches weren't necessary
Herb dean : it was super necessary
After that "the hair looks good" comment.
DC said well I'll wear my cap to hide my hair cause it's too good😂😂😂
Darren till to his dentist "whiter" whiter"whiter "
And his drug dealer
Dude does have some remarkable "pearly whites"!
@GYPSY KING FURY 😁👍👍👍👍
He does have nice teeth for a Brit and a fighter at that
Maybe he can use the spit sucker to actual pronounce words lol.
Trinaldo stood over him for like 3 seconds and Herbert didn’t move an inch... why make him hit the guy that can’t fight anymore
The guy covered up to recover. If you've watched long enough then you've seen worse
Herb thought that because his hands were up and he was looking at the oponente (some people think otherwise) that he was defending himself, and it was because Trinaldo stopped that Herb didnt stop the fight, because from that moment Jai is getting a chance to recover. I think that was his reasoning at least. I also think it should have been stopped immediately
This wasn’t even bad. People are over reacting. If herb stopped it right away with the guy still conscious he would’ve got a lot of hate
@jakiiboi8 No, but I dont think this one was okay either. I was just explaing herb's point of view. And Ben's eyes were closed, at least Jai's here kinda looking at Trinaldo
jakiiboi8 what?! He was seized up laying on his left side with his arms locked in takedown position and his leg twitching. Not even close to being a relevant example. You Kamikaze your argument and credibility when you make stupid statements like that.
It's always easy from the outside.
Joe Sudz then he needs to get in there 🤦🏽♂️
He did talk about the stoppage. Herb Dean explained why he did what he did. You guys should know better imo.
He's the best in business
He did not say that he took 4 unanswered shots while “defending”
@@luasx5896 no he said he showed Herb all the signs he needed to see to show he is defending himself. Its not Herbs fault the guy sucked at it. He stopped the fight when it needed to be stopped. Its a friend to Dan Hardy. That was the real issue. Not Herbs abilities. Us hard core fans understand this. Hes the best. Period. This is the first time he has ever come under any scrutiny.
I always love how DC says it when he is on the mic. He always says that the fight could have been stopped sooner but never yells stop then fight. Very unprofessional from dan
Maybe he saw it different?
Least you can tell Dan isn't fake, he spoke his mind. Prefer that than those who stay quiet
Billy Mitchell i prefer dan to someone like Jon Anik who has to shill out a little for a the ufc, keep it professional so he can read the advertisements
Unprofessional from Herb though? You're missing the point entirely
@@samr826 Anik is great
If it had been Hardy in that situation and Herb stopped it early Dan would have pulled a Dominic Cruz and cried
He wouldn’t be conscious to cry can yall stop saying this😭
Herb made the right call they just dont wanna be the reason dan gets fired
Skeeter you’re an idiot
DC missed the part where Herb explained exactly why he didnt stop it he probably saw a clip of Herb talking on MMA Hour or something lol
But it was incorrect lol him explaining how he got it isn't a good excuse. He's fading.
it was very vague, like they say in this video - he talked more about Dans comments but didn't even address him by name... very politician like
Herb explained........ The explanation was not a vindication.
@@chubbec No, he literally spelled out WHY he didn't stop the fight.
He said the fighter (Jai Herbert):
1) was following his opponent with his eyes
2) had both hands up between himself and his opponent
3) had a leg up between himself and his opponent
4) had his head off the canvas
"He did everything I could ask for in a fighter to intelligently defend himself."
@@xpridefcxgomix4525 pretty much. How this is hard to understand tells you the logic of the average person. There isn't much.
If he had stopped the fight everyone would have said early stoppage.... damned if you do damned if you don't. The guy put his hands up and so good call on herb.
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I think they should just fight to the death myself
He put his hands up his head was up his eyes were on the other fighter, every queue was there was he no not really
Pretty sure no one would say that would be an early stoppage 😂😂 he fell down stiff and barely moved on the floor
@@Matt-fe6wu You can't be pretty sure because you're not everyone.
Ppl have recovered from that same kinda knock down. If he stopped it on the knockdown ppl woulda been bitching the guy still had his hands up
@Suri fighters go out and wake up in an instant and keep fighting all the time, only stupid people like you would think that he was out. Not a very smart argument is it? instead of calling people names and telling them to shut up think about your argument
There's a difference between a flash knockdown and getting knocked out stiff. When a fighter gets dropped and puts his hands "up" screaming 'please don't hit me' in a state of near oblivion, that calls for a stoppage. Watch the Jacare vs Weidman fight for reference.
るGin he didn’t move AT ALL When trinaldo came towards him, if you’re not even turning away from an opponent, you’re not able to intelligently defend yourself
Yeah he had his hands up on instinct, he wasn’t intelligently defending , what do you want them stiff by his sides or splayed out on the canvas before it’s stopped??
missing the point entirely
Daniel's mug just made me give him mad respect love step brother
DC looking good, getting down to a healthy fighting weight.
This was the most important discussion of the year of this podcast - because it was the most important incident and issue of the year (and continuing). Hary was holding refereeing accountable. He identified a phenomenon, and educated us about it. And re: Herb Dean, Hardy, and this incident showed how 'experience' is over rated, can lead to complacency, and in contexts be dangerous even.
Why is everyone so obsessed about this stoppage? Look at Aldo vs Yan stoppage, that was like 20 times worse lmao and noone really cared
I cared
I feel like the WOKE culture might be rolling into MMA.
Wish Wokeness would stay with NBA, NFL and MLB.
That was bad, but not nearly as this. Aldo was not knocked out, there's a massive difference. Plus it was a title fight. I don't know why people keep saying this...
YUP
They were both really bad. The thing is Jai went out completely cold, meaning his body stiffened and his eyes rolled back for a couple of seconds. After he regained consciousness, he even looked at herb dean like "please stop the fight". Aldo was bad too, but it was more of a TKO, and Aldo is a legend, so there is more of a personal attachment to him.
I'm with Herb. I remember when I thought Robbie Lawler finished Askren because Askren seemed to be stunned and defenseless at one point, but Herb looked close and let Askren continue. Askren ended up winning a few seconds later via submission
They dont want to talk about that tho
Okay I understand Herb is usually a good ref but this time I agree that it was a late stoppage. Dude gets clonked in the head sits there for half a second then falls over with his hands outstretched instead of covering his head from ground and pound. Herbert was obviously too hurt to defend himself in the moment and tbh this whole situation could have been avoided had Trinaldo not waited a second and just smashed Herbert with like 2 good shots right after he fell over and Herb would have stopped it imo. The Askren/Lawler situation isn't even comparable to this stoppage.
Good post bro, nobody wants to seem to talk about that. Herb is literally one of, if not the best ref in the business. If I were a fighter I'd be happy af he was in the cage with me.
see the issue with bringing up this is that Herb's stoppage of the Askren/Lawler fight is super controversial especially with how Robbie sprung right up afterwards so seemingly he wasn't asleep, for me I'm just surprised Herd didn't stop the Trinaldo/Herbert fight earlier because he stopped Ferguson/Gaethje and Nunes/Rousey while both of those fights were on the feet and neither Ferguson nor Rousey were out cold but they were out of the fight, and I'd say at least from how he fell and got laid out on the ground Herbert was far more out of it than Ronda or Tony
But he stopped it when Robbie looked like he was out because he dropped his arm while askren was choking him. And robbie just popped back up.
Dan shouldn’t be aloud to commentate when his friends fight he clearly gets too emotional
They're not friends though. They've only met once and that was when Dan interviewed Jai during fight week. They don't even know each other.
@@JamesKemmingsZ1K Dan Hardy is bias to British fighters he's shouldn't be a UFC commentator
@@JamesKemmingsZ1K hes a fellow countryman. Hardy always swings hard for UK guys, he was outta line Saturday night. I do agree Herb dropped the ball tho
johnnydaniels18 lol it’s a fight sometimes u get hit a couple extra times and ur uk knob slobbering mate
James Kemmings didn’t know that they were saying they were homies on the clip I watched maybe I was wrong on that one still wasn’t the worst stoppage I have saw probably would have got stopped faster if he wouldn’t have stopped and looked at herb
Why do I always feel like I see post Malone when catching a glimpse of dan hardy
i can see that if Dan Hardy lets himself go
Looking at the thumbnail I thought Post Malone and Herb Dean were having a serious discussion about something.
At what point did these fighters think getting slammed in the head unnecessarily wasn't part of the job
Erm usually when one man goes unconscious
I like hearing DC talk about stuff like these, he's always on the reasonable side.
Dan hardy the same dude that said theres no way nate beats conor on 11 days notice hahaha
Yeah but with months of preparation Conor wins the rematch lmao
@@fukun5773 running the last 2 rounds 🤣🤣 watching the clock 🤣🤣
@@munchbeatz953 Yeah. Floyd Mayweather style lmao
@@fukun5773 nah floyd destroyed canelo 🤣🤣
I said Conor beat Diaz Floyd Mayweather style
Plain and simple Dan Hardy is friends with that fighter so he was more sympathetic to that fighter! Big John said it best Herb Dean would of been criticized for stopping it to early if he would of stopped right away! So was a no win situation!
My only comment giving Herb Dean some wiggle room is that possibly he failed to see the dramatic eyes rolling back and just saw the fall. Hard to say from the angle of the replay I saw, as Herb was off-screen in that one.
They got an HD-Quality (Wallpaper status) photo but couldn't get footage. SMH
Dude was out for a millisecond. He was reactive once he hit the ground. Dean did a good job. That was my opinion in real time amd on replay.
His eyes were rolled into the back of his head. You dont snap back to consciousness when the back of your head hits the canvas. He didnt even have his hands out to protect his face. He had one arm above his chest, and believe me when youre rocked on the ground nobody is going to ground and pound your chest. Theyre going for your face.
Herb?
Taco that’s not true. I’ve seen several fights where a knocked out guy wakes up from a punch or when he hits the canvas and that’s what happened here. Herb said he saw the fighter bring up his legs and put his hands up and most importantly had his head off the canvas.
In real time , I think goodjob from Herb's angle.
@@tacotacotington3638 "You don't snap back to consciousness when the back of your head hits the canvas."
- Luke Rockhold
Herb Dean is 100% right on this. The medical physician on the side or the fighters corner knows the fighters best not Dan Hardy and he was out of order he should apologise to the OG ref of the fight game Herb Dean and he should be suspended off ESPN for 6 months absolutely out of order
Lol Herb Dean is wrong here and he hasn't been at his best in the last few events... and he sucked in the Khabib- Conor fight as well
I agree and disagree
He needs to be let go permanently. He’s the worst commentator anyways.
THANK YOU Dan Hardy, for giving us something to talk about this week.
It was a good stoppage either way. Herb didnt deserve to get yelled at in front of everyone for it thats unprofessional maybe do it backstage but Not good for Hardy.
Good stoppage? Herb is the worst ref in the game
Ricardo MASVIDAL 😁🙏😎name
It was an horrendous stoppage, one of many by him
Bad stoppage, he received bombs that could've dealt brain damage and that could've been avoided. Dan being "unprofessional" saves a life? I applaud him.
People can yell stop the fight all they want. That's not gonna stop the fight. The ref will usually only stop the fight in the middle of the fight if the towel is thrown! The ref's will hear it but they don't have to respond to it. But I agree that Hardy has no say in the matter!
Dan has no place to be yelling that, especially in a practically empty arena where you can't tell who's yelling it.
Dan was out of line, it wasn’t his job to interject in the fight(s) at any moment. His job is to be a broadcaster, adding to the experience of the fam at home, not chastising the refs
Complaining about late stoppages leads to some miserably early stoppages which are honestly far worse. It’s good to give guys a chance to work out of the position rather than screwing a guy over
this gets recommended to me after Dan Hardy was on Helwani's MMA show, also miss Dc and Helwani:(
When he took that hit his arm never moved from its defense position when he was standing he was locked up instantly
Exactly, he went stiff on his feet and his arm just stayed in that position as he fell
Everybody seems to be professional referees these days
Except Steve mazzagatti
you can only be a ref if you drink and smoke before the fights
Its hard bro herb is one of the best in my opinion
Antonie Boksel I would absolutely agree
@@FortniteEruption 🤣🤣
The only thing I don't like about these clips, is how they cut before the conversation is done.
DC: "As long as you care you can do whatever you want to"
He definitely wasn't knocked out like Helwani claimed. Very clearly can see him putting his arms up to block the incoming strikes. If the dude wanted out he should have tapped out, that's why the option is there.
Dude, he was 99% unconscious, he wasn't even awake enough to bring his arm down to tap.
4:30 DC has an cup of step-brothers
Only psychopaths keep hitting an unconscious opponent.
I saw Herb at an airport bathroom like 2 years ago after another late stoppage (forgot exactly which one) where he got a lot of criticism afterwards. He looked beat up over it and I felt bad for him. Regardless that was definitely a late stoppage and I hope he admits that to himself with time to reflect.
DC eyepoked Stipe even after he was KOd. Also he's a company man shill.
i respect the fighters that stop when their oponent is done
You can't always recognize the opponent is out.. Only Mark Hunt can
For me as a casual this thing is surprisingly difficult and enlightening
I wonder whether the Lawler v Askren fight has made Herb more inclined to follow the Mario Yamasaki playbook.
Put the commentators in a sound proof box. They can hear the octagon, but not the other way.
Well that’s doesn’t sound possible
@@proven7103 why does it not sound possible? Lmao
Ree bcuz they want to be able to see an octagon.
@@proven7103 the sound proof box would be next to the octagon, located exactly where they are situated now. There would be microphones on the outside picking up the noises and speakers on the inside. This way the commentators would hear what is happening.
Revolve! That ain’t happneing
I can almost guarantee that if this happened to a fighter not from England, Dan Hardy wouldn't have made nearly as big a deal about the stoppage. He's very bias towards his countrymen.. almost to a fault while he's commentating.
This is interesting to hear. As an Englishman, I love Hardy and think he’s great in the booth. But I also think some of my preference comes from him having the same support of British bred Jiu Jitsu and MMA, so I can see how that would be frustrating for Americans or other English speaking countries.
Seems like there could maybe be some potential history or bad blood there with Herb and Dan.. probably to do with one of Dans fights back in the day.
DC making excuses for Herb Dean.
"He went stiff and out, but then it looked like he was fine" ffs
Herb Dean walked over to the commantary booth and got in hardys face, not the other way round! There is footage of herb leaning over the booth approaching Dan. Props to Dan for telling him where to go.
In terms of long term damage, Aldo was waaay worse. About 80 seconds of non stop punches.
@George Harry "fighting is dangerous anyway so let's not try to make it less dangerous"
Good argument 👍🏻
Dan: stop he's already dead
Herbert got up straight away when Herb called it
Are we all ignoring DC’s Step-Brothers mug at 5:31
If herbert wasnt a brit would Dan have spazzed as hard as he did
Nah. Same way he was ridiculously bias towards Till when he fought Woodley. He was so in love with till his analysis was so one way. And till got finished in round two without landing a punch lol
Haha okay buddy relax, ALDO GOT BEAT DOWNNNNN BRUH !!! And nobody screamed stop the fight for him haha
Also wasn’t out cold 😂
*aldo
Aldo wasn’t unconscious. You see the way Herbert fell with his arms stretched out like he’d died?
Commentators in Aldo fight said to stop the fight in broadcast rewatch it.
Bisping def did
I don’t disagree with what both are saying but I feel that sometimes we forget to take in consideration what a difficult job refereeing is.
On top of that they’re often being critiqued and most of the time for stopping a fight to early.
They talk 10 min about the Dan Hardy Herb Dean situation instead of talking about the Gustafson and shogun fight with any detail.
The dude was putting his hand up like he was trying to defend his self but it ended up not working listen those extra punches didn't hurt him anymore or less
Such a stupid comment
I can just picture you crying as you wrote that
Dan Hardy was out of line and that’s FACTS
Na not facts.
Herb didn't have to follow Dan to his desk and confront him
that stepbrothers mug tho
Dan don't care about his job only these fighters, so much respect for that man.
I agree with Herb! Dan had no right to shout at the ref! Herb did as he saw! A fight is about getting through adversity! This is not boxing!
I almost ALWAYS agree with DC's viewpoint on things, another great take here. I'm on Dan's side absolutely, but I can also appreciate he didn't act in the most professional way, and so can he, it's just for him that's an automatic response because of his empathy for the fighters, so he would most likely do that exactly the same if it happened again.
Cormier with the Step Brothers mug
"Weighing In " with big Jon is a way better mma podcast. Feels more honest and accurate
Dan obviously has a soft spot for the fighter in question, from the UK and a prospect out of Cage Warriors, he gave high praise for every striking sequence he would land and talked him up a lot throughout the fight since he was probably winning. Then BOOM, knocked out. Frustrated by that already, the stoppage must've just been the tipping point to release it all out on Herb.
Perhaps... but the fight before this too there was a late stoppage... I guess that triggered him
I miss the Mario Yamasaki days, ufc fans are becoming snowflakes
I too prefer fighters taking unnecessary head trauma and suffering from Parkinson’s and CTE
I think ur the snowflake mate, you wouldnt wanna get knocked out and get banged 4 more times by a big guy like trinaldo
Yes, i miss that little heart sign he does before the gladiators go at it.
If you're still breathing you're competing
😂😂😂😂😂
how can you not like DC. he's a real one. one of the best ever
"Yeah but you're really done". Sure ariel, it looked like that to those of us with the perfect broadcast angle. Herb was on the other side of the octagon, and couldn't see Jai's face or eyes. To him, that motion could be perceived exactly as Daniel described. Like a guy trying to cover up.
Herbert didn’t cover up at all, he still had his lead left hand just floating up in the air
Yeah he was stiff on the way down.
To everyone bad mouthing Dan Hardy saying he is biased, Till fought this weekend and Dan Hardy was backing Whittaker (Australian) before the fight.
Was it a bad call by Herb? Yes. Dan Hardy overreacted, but it shouldn't take anything away from the bad call. Ref's don't get immunity from criticism.
I heard they were friends. So kind of different from Till
Noobz4Hire you can still be friends but want the other person to win?
What are these guys talking about? He absolutely did talk about the stoppage. He talked about every single step of the assessment process.
listen, dan and herb are both great guys.
let's all just fistbump and crack on with the entertainment!
no hard feelings please..
cheers.
Easy to say it was late and he was clearly out, however you have an advantage of seeing multiple camera angles over and over, where as the ref has a split second decision and who knows where he may be positioned.. The guys arms were up then moved to cover appearing to be ready to block a shot, his head was still up off of the floor, so I can see how it can be seen the fighter is still intelligently defending himself, His corner didn't throw a towel or yell Stop it....... I can imagine a whole other group of fans screaming Herb stopped it to early if he had of jumped in sooner.... I like the call personally.......... There has been WAY WAY worse...
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Jai literally never went out. As soon as herb called the fight he hopped up right away. Hardy being a puss about his friend getting handled is what has ignited this BS.
@@zackwarnke7166 I'm not sure mate, hardy has already said he's not friends with jai. just cos he's English doesn't mean he knows all 50 odd million ppl who live there. I think dan hardy's heart was in the right place but whether you agree or disagree with what he said you can't argue this - it's not dan hardys job to decide when the fight is over.
Maga Dog Correct. I thought I heard something about hardy being particularly close to Jai but could’ve just been a false rumor. But I agree, especially with no crowd he cannot go at a referee the way he did. That’s simply not his place.
DC you are my dude. Love ya man!
Luke?
angles matter and proximity matters from far away you can look at someone and they're dead but only when you come closer and check the plus u know.
mazzagati and yamasaki taught us all that eyes open means still good to go. The GOATS would call this stoppage textbook
Why can’t they put an ear piece to let him know if he’s missing something can someone see this cause I think this is a good idea ?
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Dan Hardy needs to stay in his lane!
@jakiiboi8 👍
DC had yo throw the knocking out stipe example for his ego 😂😂
Herb got called out a few years ago for stopping a couple fights early. Ever since, he’s been letting guys take too much punishment and stopping fights late. He’s had some really bad ones.
Herb dean is an ex fighter himself. If anyone knows when a fighter's had enough. Herb would know. That stoppage is the kind of stoppage that champions like kazushi Sakuraba, Frankie Edgar, Dominick cruz and tj dillashaw want. Every apex competitor worth a title shot want that assurance from the ref, you'll give them all the opportunity to lose a fight on their terms because these fighters want to know their stoppages were warranted. They don't want any what if regrets, after the fight.