It's not the voice. You don't even know what you love from it. It happens to everyone. This is basically the Story of your Spirit, a very hidden divine Spark from the true Unknown-God, forcefully-hidden and lying inside you, asking you to stop being distracted from real and existencial purpose. You listening that story gives some fresh air to It, after ages and ages of forced sleep and silence enclosed inside your material, sequential bodies.
She was the Balance Guardian, whom Nupraptor was in love with. She was murdered, and at that moment Kain was born as the new Balance Guardian to take her place. Nupraptor found her dead and went insane with grief, his insanity spread throughout the circle (as they are all connected) and corrupted them all, Kain included, and the pillars fell into ruin. This was the plan devised by the Hylden, to allow for their freedom when the pillars eventually fell.
It makes me feel really bad for Nupraptor, And even if I have to destroy him when it gets a remake with an archived script and they’ll add the cut content that was removed from the original known as every elemental glyph and Reaver enhancement, I’ll let his death be without suffering for his girlfriend Ariel.
Interesting how Ariel acts towards Raziel in each installment. In Soul Reaver she was a kind and beneficial ally whom would give him counsel on the next enemy would face. In Soul Reaver 2 she seems so introverted, melancholic, and doesn't want anything to do with Raziel. In Defiance, she's arrogant and rude, though she does grant him the answers he requires at the time, in the end she's nice again and purifies the reaver with her own spirit. Guess it's all about the time zone she meets him in.
I have heard some theories about that. Like in Defiance the Ariel that is encountered when the Reaver is purified is the one from the Future and not the one from the Past, which lines up given Ariel can't exist in the Future if her past self was the one that was sacrificed to purify the Reaver. It wouldn't be the first time a being from the future was Drawn to the past, like Turel who also showed up in Defiance which I think was to explain his absence beyond being cut content in Soul Reaver. But also to show this kind of thing has precedence.
@@tonts5329 Ariel actually spells out exactly what happens, with the purifying font restored, all the souls of previous balance guardians are drawn there, including all her time frames, into one being, it restores her fully (hence her face restoring properly). So the one we see at the font isnt the future or past one, it's just the most recent and only whole version of her
@@monkeyman767 And it also allowed her to be freed of her anger, grief, despair, and prejudices from life when she was called from the future to purify the Wraith Reaver via the Spirit Forge.
+KalvinEllis at this point he is starting to get the pieces of his own and kain's history regarding the pillars and knowing how his time ended up, he started to put it together:kain would have on interest of being an emperor of a doomed empire so maybe he isnt at fault for the situation he sees here.
He has a point. Apart from Kain as not being the sole cause of the Pillars' destruction, the Vampires were the Pillars' architects, which probably means that only they could restore them, and killing Kain, the last living vampire, wouldn't have the same effect.
At the time when Kain's human life ended, vampires were considered by humans nothing more than wicked, parasitic monsters that deserved complete eradication. This belief was encouraged by the Elder God through his most loyal human servant, Moebius the Time-Streamer. Moebius' former ally Mortanius later realized that Nosgoth's only hope lay in the vampires, leading him to resurrect Kain as a vampire in order to eventually restore true balance and order to Nosgoth, even if he must go against the human race to do so.
@@rogerleung160 Exactly, and the fact too he realized Kain was the Scion of Balance the legends of vampires spoke of, and the only one who could hold the Hylden back. I imagine for Ariel that besides her own desire for release, her wanting Kain to die was also prejudice due to his being a vampire, and how even IF he did accept the sacrifice, it would mean the Hylden would eventually be freed and turn Nosgoth into more of a wasteland as Raziel pointed out and having fully had their revenge against the vampires for having banished them to the demon realm after the war, before they cursed them. The Elder God just tried to use EVERYONE to his own means to feed himself due to his role as a Demiurge, and he and Moebius failed to think about how the Hylden would just disrupt the Elder God's plans for the Wheel of Fate, and how Kain as the Scion of Balance would be a greater threat if he realized his destiny. And the Hylden used everyone else to their own ends, even the Elder God.
3:13 I see you lol The way Raziel just stares at her is humorous to me. Like he's just having fun messing with her. But at least he's decent enough to realize he's upsetting her and decides to leave her in peace. Just a delusional spirit. No need to further her torment.
Yeah, exactly. Everything he said was perfectly fair and true, and he had every right to say it and it was undoubtedly somewhat satisfying to voice it, but at the end of the day, even after the living hell he's endured, Raziel is not a sadistic malevolent soul, and delights not in inflicting pain on the (relatively) innocent, especially on a fellow purgatorial prisoner.
just goes to show that Mrs Gunn has always gravitated towards quality material, i never understood how people could hate here for playing Skyler White, it was just a role people she was the intelligent housewife with woman intuition ... that was it ... she wasn't there to sabotage Walters raise to power ... ahh people can be so simple minded same thing with Lena Headey, Cersei from GoT if people actually hate the real life actress that means she did a great fucking job, that she's a great actor .... you moronic morons
Definitely! Raziel has some of the coolest dialogue, especially how he acted so nonchalant around Ariel in Defiance ^_^ I loved the Spirit Forge. I was worried about the prophetic portals in Soul Reaver 1 regarding Raziel striking Ariel down. I was so much more satisfied with the gentle hand gesture Defiance produced.
Originally, Ariel was going to sacrifice herself to empower the wraith blade in the final fight against kain. But they ran out of time and had to settle with kain and raziel going through the portal and meeting Moebius. But I do like where we went.
ariel is pure but a spirit and kain is physical but corrupted they need to be together in order to kain to fullfil his destiny as a the balance guardian raziel is the bridge between them at the end of defiance
Ariel wasn't pure _enough_ or she could've seen the true evil mastermind and probably purified Kain by herself. Kain absorbed the Wraith Blade, which had all past Balance Guardians and the orig. vampire Guardians (among others). He must be one powerful-af Guardian wielding one powerful-af sword at the end of Defiance. He might've doomed vampirekind to extinction long before his birth: the prophesized Scion of Balance was too much of a threat to said mastermind to be ignored.
Back here viewing this video again. I really miss this kind of writing in video games. I'm glad my cousin gave away his copy of Soul Reaver 2, or I would've prolly never been introduced to this awesome video game series. It sure could use a remake when given the chance.
Yeah I just confirmed that Anna Gunn, who was on Breaking Bad, was a voice actor in my favorite game franchise of all time -- Legacy of Kain. Strange....I did not watch breaking bad till 2013 though.
I once thought that if LoK would get a movie, Anna Gunn should better be the live-action Ariel lol. Tbf, she's a good actress, and she does look the part. As for Nupraptor, how about...Bryan Cranston? :D
Something yet troubles me... in this installment, Raziel seems to have been much more aware of his path and the fate of Nosgoth. He reaches a level of understanding and wisdom so practical and deep... And yet, in Defiance, that is rather lost. He acts impulsively and is heedless in many occasions. He even made some interestingly correct assumptions about the collapse of the Pillars, which in Defiance are no longer part of his speech, for example. Was it the change from Vampire to Hylden concepts
@@Dionysus-207 also for majority of Defiance he was scared shitless of his unavoidable fate - an eternity inside the Reaver blade. It’s only logical he would be acting a bit irrational.
@@Dionysus-207 well who wouldn't being trapped as a soul who being said in the series has been trapped there for eons on eons +time travel = more eons on one sword
What I love about the Legacy of Kain game series is how it portrays "evil" stereotypes as sympathetic and "good" stereotypes as self-serving and deluded. Kain, Raziel, Vorador and Janos Audron all have the appearance of what humans would consider monsters and yet they have noble qualities and have good reasons for being cynical and cold, usually because of human cruelty. In general, humans in Nosgoth, particularly the Sarafan, seem to have deluded, self-righteous beliefs. Many of these humans are capable of as much cruelty, if not more so, as vampires, yet they still believe that they are inherently good.
Spare me the sanctimonious bullshit. They're all just as capable of good as they are evil. Imagine living as a human in this world where there are unholy creatures that view themselves as "Dark Gods" and your life as ultimately forfeit so that they can play a game of chess that spans a millennia. You pretend the Seraphan are somehow "more evil" than Kain, Raziel, and Vorador. Why? Because they were led by the nose in the exact same way Janos and Raziel were? Why is Seraphan Raziel a monster for ripping out Janos' heart but Wraith Raziel is "misunderstood" for doing the exact same thing to Kain?
Indeed, shame I found your comment so late. And an even greater shame I can ONLY find true fans of this holy series on the Internet but never out in the real world. They really need to bring this back as an HD Collection or do that Soul Reaver reboot they rumored already, THESE GAMES MUST BE KNOWN AGAIN!
Chris I love how barring Soul Reaver 1, every time Raziel interacts with Ariel he basically rubs it in her face she’s SOL and stuck at the pillars forever.
Doesn't help her, that every time they meet, it happens further and further in the past. From timeline's point of view, they first meet in Defiance around the Blood Omen 1 time. Then they meet 150 years later, and then they meet at least centuries later in Soul Reaver 1. Raziel also joins with Ariel's spirit and other Balance Guardians at Spirit Forge in Defiance, so the whole thing gets really confusing.
yes she is Anna Gun. Elder LoK fans knows it very well :) All voice actors/actresses were great. Series were the masterpieces no doubt! Alas! Still pain in the heart they didnt finalise it... Also what a shame on creators. How you can leave your baby without a mom and a daddy???
+fatih y Yep, I knew who Anna Gunn was long before she showed up on Breaking Bad. A lot of people hear Skyler White when they see Ariel, while I always heard Ariel when I saw Skyler. :)
I love the arguments this game gives to blindly following an object and the fact that throughout an entire game something that on the surface seems so negligible in our days of video games can be made into something so much more with a little more thought and better writing just superb story telling
I thought it was a really cool touch how the newly dead Ariel apparition featured here differs from the one we know from decades and centuries later. Here, she still retains much of her living emotional states (anger, bitterness, hurt, depression, self-pity, despair) from life. I like the idea that some of the former humanity lingers in the personality of the recently deceased, slowly leeching out over time until all that's left is an emotionally devoid coldly rational and calculating entity more akin to an android than a human, well and truly bereft of life.
Hey now, isn't that a little unjust?? Both games are amazing in their own right, I imagine that if the combat for this game was a little more polished, it would have been a greater masterpiece over all.
Devil May Cry is fucking awesome, and deserves every last bit of popularity it enjoys. The Legacy of Kain series has always faltered in the gameplay department, which is a serious flaw for a video game, don't you think? LoK is fun to watch, but it isn't always fun to PLAY.
Through the knowledge Raziel already possessed of history prior to becoming a wraith, paired with what he gained during his venture in Soul Reaver 1&2, Raziel did gain a great level of understanding of Nosgoth. But history is written by the victors, and so Nosgoth's history had some secrets to be uncovered in Defiance. As for his reckless behavior could best be considered a desperate act of self-preservation among hurrying to uncover the truth and his own salvation before history played out.
As being said in the series every member was corrupted kain also by combing herself with him she purified kain in defiance after raziel purified reaver
Moebius saw this, too, and engineered the near destruction of the vampire race, leaving Kain as the last guardian, and also the last vampire. If Kain were to take his own life, he'd be ensuring the extinction of the vampires, which Moebius desired. Kain, of course, refused the sacrifice, letting the pillars fall into decay, and built his empire upon their ashes.
What pisses me off about Ariel's "Willing instrument" comment about Kain is that SHE was the one who sent him on a quest to take out her fellow guardians and didn't tell him he had to die too. How was he WILLING in ANYTHING? XD He didn't know anything about the Hylden. It sucks that she's trapped at the Pillars but my god, Ariel, stop acting like a victim....
when she claims to be "uncorrupted" this is actually false- she was just as tainted as the other guardians even beyond Death. making her just as blind ot the Elder god as the rest
In the LoK games, time travel cannot cause paradox. We see this many times - when they change something that otherwise would, history and future re-arrange themselves to accomodate the change and keep the same outcome. This is how in Defiance, Raziel can consume Ariel without causing the ill effects noted.
Actually he's the only one that can cause paradoxes, as far as I understood. Him consuming her and dissipating her spirit in Kain purified Kain and could change the flow of history to a huge extent, arming Kain with a weapon that could slay the elder god.
I agree with you there, the designs are generally better looking in SR2, but I preferred the way Moebius and the Elder God were portrayed and the way their actors voiced them in Defiance. Just those two specifically. Ariel is just as good in her dialogue in both games but I also preferred her appearance here than in Defiance.
@combatmaster "In Defiance Raziel absorbed the souls of the original Ancient Guardians, so there goes that way finding answers out the window." Fortunately, we have other methods at our disposal. For example, I understand there are several timestreaming chambers left strewn about the countryside who's owner only recently died....and as luck would have future Kain spent eons mastering such devices when he discovered the chronoplast.
I believe so too. Ariel is the most mysterious character of all. I suppose she was so deeply in tune with Nosgoth's self, that she was a direct expression of the essence around her. As long as Nosgoth decayed, so she turned into a sad and lonely spirit, clinging to false hopes and forgotten hatreds. I loved his words when Raziel meets her at the Pillars in Defiance. And I loved her even more when I saw her whole and pure in the Reaver Forge. D.R.
@Marbles194 I believe that the quality and the resolution was definitely better in Defiance, but what SR2 has on its side is the great character designs. I like a lot more how Raziel is portrayed here than how he is in Defiance.
Wondering how it feels to get a subscribe and like twenty years later 🤣Good idea been enjoying watching random scenes. Wish they would modernize these.
I'd tell you, but you're 3 years early! ;) Fraid there's no new content for you; just Legacy of Kain. Always cool to hear other folks still enjoy the games, though. Maybe someday we'll get remasters, or something, at least.
In the 1st LOK she was was the Balance Guardian whom died shortly before Kain was born, this making Kain her successor & guide as he traveled Nosgoth as a fledgling vampire after his own murder in his adult life. SR1 She acts as a guide to Raziel, but in SR2 the time zone makes her a bit more timid/hostile around him. She doesn't appear in BO2 and in LoKD that era of Ariel rudely helps Raziel locate Vorador's manor & in the end she becomes the last forge & purifies the Soul Reaver.
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That's an excellent question. Be regardless of it's techincal validitity, isn't it most important to notice he did not offer? Remember his last sentences. He knows she deserves her punishment. Acting as if her hands are clean, when she just as responsible. Thus, so beautiful to see her so destroyed (morally).
Even though Kain went back in time and Raziel kept following and repeating this, I wonder why Ariel never recognized him from Defiance. Maybe that's because that was the first time Raziel got that far.
You are correct. The meeting with Ariel in Defiance is the first time Raziel got that far. He was destined to be trapped in the Reaver during Soul Reaver 2's ending but Kain altered history by stopping it.
@combatmaster "I wonder somethin' though, in Defiance, where was future Kain gonna go since he had the perfected Soul Reaver, cured of corruption, and that "bitter taste" of hope." I can only speak for myself, but if I was Kain my next move would be to seek understanding of the pillars, specifically what it is about them that ties the health and vitality of the world to their purity. Then I'd try to find a way to remove that dependence so that the world can thrive with or without the pillars.
To think this would have never happened if no one ever listened to the elder god, the two mightiest races (the "vampires" and the hylden) never battled each other and the pillars were never created.^^'
It was the reverse, actually - the pillars exploded at the moment of Kain's choice not to sacrifice himself, which more or less freed the Hylden, allowing the Hylden Lord to possess Janos.
I wonder... people point out the moment when Ariel in Soul Reaver 1 do not remember her previous encounters with Raziel, but doesn't this scene kinda proves that Ariel was fully deranged in Soul Reaver 1 era and only remembered bita and pieces? I do not remember in detail if that scene is set in future long after Soul Reaver 1 or before, but Ariel does mention "minions of Kain gloating at her" in Soul Reaver 1, so it would lend credibility to theory she remembers bits and pieces - she remembers being confronted but does not remember by whom.
Yea. You're right. It leads fans to believe she was madly insane but they make it unclear and open for speculation because she does rememver some. Poor Ariel.
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hehe, I love how responses are slow, but are never over. LoK forever.
I kinda wondered what he meant by "You're merely at the threshold." He knows she'll be stuck at the pillars for like, 1000 more years at the very least. Doesn't sound like she's at the threshold to me. lol
he knows what the world becomes since he originally came from the same timeline at least 1500 years after the collapse of the pillars, and the world he was in was jsut as much of a shthole.
@@JulioVonGhoulio The threshold referred by Raziel means that Ariel's imprisonment at the pillars has only just begun. She's destined to stay there for much much longer.
@@EzioYuio I took that as she's at the threshold on the way out, but he meant she's at the threshold on the way in. That makes more sense. But his soft tone at the end led me to believe he was trying to leave her with something a bit more comforting after he basically verbally attacked her. Thanks.
As said a few posts above, the Inquisitors Kain raised to be their Vampire Offsprings were already dead. He had to take their sould directly from the Spectral Realm and re-bound them to their bodies, but that must have required him some extensive use of necromantic powers, I assume, so the transformation was much different than that the Ancients bestowed upon their children. That is why all of the Lieutenants mutated and gained some sort of speciality. D.R.
Kain had ot infuse a portion of his own soul to raise offspring, it was the only way he figured he could sire other Vampires issue was, he as the balance guardian was still corrupted by Nuprator, and that corruptino carried over ot his offspring(if raziel wasnt cast into the abyss to " die", good chance he woudl also end up like his bretheren)
@nothri True that, if time travel has taught us anything it's that the dead can still speak in an era where they are alive but it can also trace a freaky destiny. Like murdering your human self for example. lol
I love this series! But boy, time travel sure does give a headache ^^; I wonder somethin' though, in Defiance, where was future Kain gonna go since he had the perfected Soul Reaver, cured of corruption, and that "bitter taste" of hope.
I think the recklessness he presented in Defiance was a result of his own confusion about himself and his place in everything that was happening, and his being tired of seemingly always being a pawn. I think he was just tired of being led around and wanted answers, the cost of getting those answers be damned.
she wasnt immune ot the corruption, but she had no physical form when it happened if she was truly pure at that point she would be able ot perceive the elder God and the true nature of the wheels of ate and the pillars
actually, only one powerful Hylden posseses Janos, the main antagonist of Blood Omen 2 (the Sarafan Lord). This guy however, was the same Hylden possesing Mortanius, by this means, he started the "down with the pillars" plan. At the end of Blood Omen 1, after Kain kills Mortanius, the Hylden inside takes control of the corpse, and gives Kain another battle. After he is defeated, he leaves the body, and as the Pillars collapse, he manages to enter Janos, who was weak because of the cataclysm
Mortanius saw their plan unfolding, recognized it for what it was, and in a moment of clarity, had Kain assassinated so that he could be raised as a vampire, then sent him on his quest to destroy the Circle, so that new guardians could be born. It was Mortanius' belief that Kain would see what had to be done to restore the pillars and, after killing the rest of the circle, take his own life, too.
@DeathSpawn666 Exactly, but Blood Omen 2 is just his younger self, where would the future Kain go to now that he's healed? Even he mentioned with the right moves it may be possible to restore the world, but can never give it back its innocence.
Janos was the "greatest vampire to have ever existed", to quote Kain in Blood Omen 1 (upon finding his first Heart of Darkness). Janos possessed the blood reaver (after it was forged by Vorador) but not the soul reaver (as it didn't become the soul reaver until after Kain acquired it (though technically it was 500 years *before* he acquired it - isn't time travel grand?)
In the main storyline, which made that kind of fall possible? Perhaps the evolution of the characters is much more complex than we pressumed. Perhaps the eternity of imprisonment he endured with the Elder God, distorted his judgment and he could no longer summon the ideas he had previously shaped in his mind while he traversed through Nosgoth in SR2. Perhaps he was just too confused to believe those things anymore. D.R.
I remember in Soul Reaver 1 there was a cutscene when you looked through a portal in the Chronoplast of Raziel reaving Ariel's soul, the reaver turning yellow, but i've read on a website that there were supposed to be as many reavers as glyphs in sr1 and that Ariel's soul would imbue them all, but obviously they went in another direction.
So, watching Ariel's facial expressions, she seems surprised when Raziel speaks, which implies she didn't realize he was there. Which begs the question....who was she talking to? Does she just randomly monologue about Kain and her past even when no one is around? I suppose there are worse ways to pass the time, but still...
are you alive? if you are, tell me how did you pass your time being alone in a room... with no one but you...
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well, he actually was originally designed to be. but the original SR1 couldnt be finished in time, so they used the chronoplast scene to leave it in a "to be continued" but as SR2 was made, the plot began to change drastically, getting kain out of the villain side, and making the Elder God the great manipulating enemy.
Okay, so the Pillars were created originally to keep the Hylden at bay. They had vampire guardians, which the roles where later granted to humans. And though the humans had no knowledge of the Hylden, they did know that preserving the pillars was essential for Nosgoths integrity against corruption. But I'm curious as to why the elements of the pillars seem to transmigrate a gift to their guardians as Nuprator controlled mind, and moebius to time. How is that essentail to sealing the Hylden?
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God the voice acting in this game is just 100/10 It's like the best thing one could hear ever.
I actually ended up ripping the audio files from my PS2 version and played through them all.
It's not the voice. You don't even know what you love from it. It happens to everyone. This is basically the Story of your Spirit, a very hidden divine Spark from the true Unknown-God, forcefully-hidden and lying inside you, asking you to stop being distracted from real and existencial purpose. You listening that story gives some fresh air to It, after ages and ages of forced sleep and silence enclosed inside your material, sequential bodies.
@@Braxton1981 Get help, dude.
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She was the Balance Guardian, whom Nupraptor was in love with. She was murdered, and at that moment Kain was born as the new Balance Guardian to take her place. Nupraptor found her dead and went insane with grief, his insanity spread throughout the circle (as they are all connected) and corrupted them all, Kain included, and the pillars fell into ruin. This was the plan devised by the Hylden, to allow for their freedom when the pillars eventually fell.
It makes me feel really bad for Nupraptor,
And even if I have to destroy him when it gets a remake with an archived script and they’ll add the cut content that was removed from the original known as every elemental glyph and Reaver enhancement,
I’ll let his death be without suffering for his girlfriend Ariel.
I would fear a Reboot; I would praise a Remake
Loko Pérez: Tony Jay is dead. Raziel's VA was like sixty. Is he even alive?
Michael Bell is still around hes 79 now.
Both sound bad
@@404ServerError WRONG
@@RequiemPoete there can be replacements or even VAs of the same tier and quality (even tho purists may hate them for being original in their own way)
Interesting how Ariel acts towards Raziel in each installment. In Soul Reaver she was a kind and beneficial ally whom would give him counsel on the next enemy would face. In Soul Reaver 2 she seems so introverted, melancholic, and doesn't want anything to do with Raziel. In Defiance, she's arrogant and rude, though she does grant him the answers he requires at the time, in the end she's nice again and purifies the reaver with her own spirit.
Guess it's all about the time zone she meets him in.
I have heard some theories about that. Like in Defiance the Ariel that is encountered when the Reaver is purified is the one from the Future and not the one from the Past, which lines up given Ariel can't exist in the Future if her past self was the one that was sacrificed to purify the Reaver. It wouldn't be the first time a being from the future was Drawn to the past, like Turel who also showed up in Defiance which I think was to explain his absence beyond being cut content in Soul Reaver. But also to show this kind of thing has precedence.
@@tonts5329 Ariel actually spells out exactly what happens, with the purifying font restored, all the souls of previous balance guardians are drawn there, including all her time frames, into one being, it restores her fully (hence her face restoring properly). So the one we see at the font isnt the future or past one, it's just the most recent and only whole version of her
@@monkeyman767 And it also allowed her to be freed of her anger, grief, despair, and prejudices from life when she was called from the future to purify the Wraith Reaver via the Spirit Forge.
i cant believe skylar white was in the legacy of kain series, it really is one of the best game series ever
Anna Gunn was so good in this. She was right up there with very seasoned voice actors who worked on this game too
Gotta love how Raziel defends Kain here.
+KalvinEllis at this point he is starting to get the pieces of his own and kain's history regarding the pillars and knowing how his time ended up, he started to put it together:kain would have on interest of being an emperor of a doomed empire so maybe he isnt at fault for the situation he sees here.
He has a point. Apart from Kain as not being the sole cause of the Pillars' destruction, the Vampires were the Pillars' architects, which probably means that only they could restore them, and killing Kain, the last living vampire, wouldn't have the same effect.
At the time when Kain's human life ended, vampires were considered by humans nothing more than wicked, parasitic monsters that deserved complete eradication. This belief was encouraged by the Elder God through his most loyal human servant, Moebius the Time-Streamer. Moebius' former ally Mortanius later realized that Nosgoth's only hope lay in the vampires, leading him to resurrect Kain as a vampire in order to eventually restore true balance and order to Nosgoth, even if he must go against the human race to do so.
I loved that too, Raziel defends Kain to everyone but Kain. When he's face to face with Kain, he talks shit. lol I love it.
@@rogerleung160 Exactly, and the fact too he realized Kain was the Scion of Balance the legends of vampires spoke of, and the only one who could hold the Hylden back. I imagine for Ariel that besides her own desire for release, her wanting Kain to die was also prejudice due to his being a vampire, and how even IF he did accept the sacrifice, it would mean the Hylden would eventually be freed and turn Nosgoth into more of a wasteland as Raziel pointed out and having fully had their revenge against the vampires for having banished them to the demon realm after the war, before they cursed them.
The Elder God just tried to use EVERYONE to his own means to feed himself due to his role as a Demiurge, and he and Moebius failed to think about how the Hylden would just disrupt the Elder God's plans for the Wheel of Fate, and how Kain as the Scion of Balance would be a greater threat if he realized his destiny. And the Hylden used everyone else to their own ends, even the Elder God.
"you re merely at the threshold"
man that is coming for a soul that literally came from the very center of death.
i always loved raziel's eye movements
3:13 I see you lol
The way Raziel just stares at her is humorous to me. Like he's just having fun messing with her. But at least he's decent enough to realize he's upsetting her and decides to leave her in peace. Just a delusional spirit. No need to further her torment.
Yeah, exactly. Everything he said was perfectly fair and true, and he had every right to say it and it was undoubtedly somewhat satisfying to voice it, but at the end of the day, even after the living hell he's endured, Raziel is not a sadistic malevolent soul, and delights not in inflicting pain on the (relatively) innocent, especially on a fellow purgatorial prisoner.
agreed to both comments 👍🏾👍🏾
I always loved that moment as a teenager...Since even Kain can't follow her when she hides in Spectral, Raz doing just that is well funny :)
I just discovered that Ariel was voiced by Anna Gunn a.k.a. Skylar White!! The biggest OMFG of my life!!!!
I know, I was surprised to learn this myself.
fuck you
just goes to show that Mrs Gunn has always gravitated towards quality material, i never understood how people could hate here for playing Skyler White, it was just a role people she was the intelligent housewife with woman intuition ... that was it ... she wasn't there to sabotage Walters raise to power ... ahh people can be so simple minded
same thing with Lena Headey, Cersei from GoT if people actually hate the real life actress that means she did a great fucking job, that she's a great actor .... you moronic morons
What the FUCK?!
HOLY SH*T I FOUND THIS RIGHT NOW, HOLY SH*T HOLY SH*T
God... the voice acting and the rain and the darkness... it's so gothic and gloomy. SR2 WAS SO CREEPY AND AWESOME! 5/5
Definitely! Raziel has some of the coolest dialogue, especially how he acted so nonchalant around Ariel in Defiance ^_^ I loved the Spirit Forge. I was worried about the prophetic portals in Soul Reaver 1 regarding Raziel striking Ariel down. I was so much more satisfied with the gentle hand gesture Defiance produced.
Originally, Ariel was going to sacrifice herself to empower the wraith blade in the final fight against kain. But they ran out of time and had to settle with kain and raziel going through the portal and meeting Moebius. But I do like where we went.
ariel is pure but a spirit and
kain is physical but corrupted
they need to be together in order to kain to fullfil his destiny as a the balance guardian
raziel is the bridge between them at the end of defiance
Ariel wasn't pure _enough_ or she could've seen the true evil mastermind and probably purified Kain by herself.
Kain absorbed the Wraith Blade, which had all past Balance Guardians and the orig. vampire Guardians (among others). He must be one powerful-af Guardian wielding one powerful-af sword at the end of Defiance. He might've doomed vampirekind to extinction long before his birth: the prophesized Scion of Balance was too much of a threat to said mastermind to be ignored.
You make is sound like Kain and Ariel should husband and wife. While Raziel is their marriage counselor
@@jimhuffman9434 Honestly, that´s kinda the point if memory serves
@M Wait, you worked on the series?
@M That's so cool, if I may ask, how would the series be most likely concluded?
Back here viewing this video again. I really miss this kind of writing in video games.
I'm glad my cousin gave away his copy of Soul Reaver 2, or I would've prolly never been introduced to this awesome video game series. It sure could use a remake when given the chance.
Fun fact ariels voice actress is Ana gunn from breaking bad fame.
I AM NOT IN DANGER, SKYLER I AM THE DANGER
Yeah I just confirmed that Anna Gunn, who was on Breaking Bad, was a voice actor in my favorite game franchise of all time -- Legacy of Kain. Strange....I did not watch breaking bad till 2013 though.
Rafael Cardoso I FUCKED NUPRAPTOR
I once thought that if LoK would get a movie, Anna Gunn should better be the live-action Ariel lol. Tbf, she's a good actress, and she does look the part.
As for Nupraptor, how about...Bryan Cranston? :D
Ariels voice actor is Anna Gunn from breaking bad!!
Anna Gunn is an amazing actress!
She’s the reason why Skyler White is my favorite character in Breaking Bad.
I love listening to Raziel verbally abuse everyone in this game.
He just likes to roast everyone throughout the series.
Imagine how fun it would be if he were sharing scenes with Darksiders death
Raziel meets Skyler White
I love Ariel. Because I cannot think of a character who needs love more than herself.
Still remains one of the best scripts to date.
Something yet troubles me... in this installment, Raziel seems to have been much more aware of his path and the fate of Nosgoth. He reaches a level of understanding and wisdom so practical and deep... And yet, in Defiance, that is rather lost. He acts impulsively and is heedless in many occasions. He even made some interestingly correct assumptions about the collapse of the Pillars, which in Defiance are no longer part of his speech, for example. Was it the change from Vampire to Hylden concepts
Maybe the 500 years imprisonment with the Elder God after Soul Reaver 2 could have affected him?
@@TA-by9wv Or it could be that he discovered his fate was to be sealed in the reaver and found it disturbing.
@@Dionysus-207 also for majority of Defiance he was scared shitless of his unavoidable fate - an eternity inside the Reaver blade. It’s only logical he would be acting a bit irrational.
@@Dionysus-207 well who wouldn't being trapped as a soul who being said in the series has been trapped there for eons on eons +time travel = more eons on one sword
@@andreykozlyk On top of that he was suffering from Hylden influence.
What I love about the Legacy of Kain game series is how it portrays "evil" stereotypes as sympathetic and "good" stereotypes as self-serving and deluded. Kain, Raziel, Vorador and Janos Audron all have the appearance of what humans would consider monsters and yet they have noble qualities and have good reasons for being cynical and cold, usually because of human cruelty. In general, humans in Nosgoth, particularly the Sarafan, seem to have deluded, self-righteous beliefs. Many of these humans are capable of as much cruelty, if not more so, as vampires, yet they still believe that they are inherently good.
Liberals
Spare me the sanctimonious bullshit. They're all just as capable of good as they are evil.
Imagine living as a human in this world where there are unholy creatures that view themselves as "Dark Gods" and your life as ultimately forfeit so that they can play a game of chess that spans a millennia.
You pretend the Seraphan are somehow "more evil" than Kain, Raziel, and Vorador. Why? Because they were led by the nose in the exact same way Janos and Raziel were? Why is Seraphan Raziel a monster for ripping out Janos' heart but Wraith Raziel is "misunderstood" for doing the exact same thing to Kain?
the humans are the real monsters trope is pretty common honestly
Indeed, shame I found your comment so late. And an even greater shame I can ONLY find true fans of this holy series on the Internet but never out in the real world. They really need to bring this back as an HD Collection or do that Soul Reaver reboot they rumored already, THESE GAMES MUST BE KNOWN AGAIN!
Raziel is the ultimate Ariel troll.
Chris I love how barring Soul Reaver 1, every time Raziel interacts with Ariel he basically rubs it in her face she’s SOL and stuck at the pillars forever.
Raziel's lucky Ariel can't smack him
Doesn't help her, that every time they meet, it happens further and further in the past. From timeline's point of view, they first meet in Defiance around the Blood Omen 1 time. Then they meet 150 years later, and then they meet at least centuries later in Soul Reaver 1. Raziel also joins with Ariel's spirit and other Balance Guardians at Spirit Forge in Defiance, so the whole thing gets really confusing.
@@soulreaverable I don't think he's rubbing it in her face, he's just pointing out that she's full of shit.
In reality I think he really pities her.
@dorothydreams oftornadoes Let me restate: Raziel's lucky Ariel didn't smack him for what he said
This game is deep, very unique and mind boogling! Thats why i love it!
It’s about damn time for a remaster of this series
yes she is Anna Gun. Elder LoK fans knows it very well :) All voice actors/actresses were great. Series were the masterpieces no doubt! Alas! Still pain in the heart they didnt finalise it... Also what a shame on creators. How you can leave your baby without a mom and a daddy???
+fatih y Yep, I knew who Anna Gunn was long before she showed up on Breaking Bad. A lot of people hear Skyler White when they see Ariel, while I always heard Ariel when I saw Skyler. :)
Soul Reaver 1 was a story of revenge. Soul Reaver 2 was a story of understanding.
And Defieance, is about redemption!
xD
I love the arguments this game gives to blindly following an object and the fact that throughout an entire game something that on the surface seems so negligible in our days of video games can be made into something so much more with a little more thought and better writing just superb story telling
ARIEL WHERES THE MONEY
I GAVE IT TO KAIN
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I thought it was a really cool touch how the newly dead Ariel apparition featured here differs from the one we know from decades and centuries later. Here, she still retains much of her living emotional states (anger, bitterness, hurt, depression, self-pity, despair) from life. I like the idea that some of the former humanity lingers in the personality of the recently deceased, slowly leeching out over time until all that's left is an emotionally devoid coldly rational and calculating entity more akin to an android than a human, well and truly bereft of life.
My name is Ariel, yo
and yet things like devil may cry are way more popular. This truly is an unjust world.
Hey now, isn't that a little unjust?? Both games are amazing in their own right, I imagine that if the combat for this game was a little more polished, it would have been a greater masterpiece over all.
People play games to play them, not watch a movie.
Devil May Cry is fucking awesome, and deserves every last bit of popularity it enjoys.
The Legacy of Kain series has always faltered in the gameplay department, which is a serious flaw for a video game, don't you think? LoK is fun to watch, but it isn't always fun to PLAY.
Through the knowledge Raziel already possessed of history prior to becoming a wraith, paired with what he gained during his venture in Soul Reaver 1&2, Raziel did gain a great level of understanding of Nosgoth. But history is written by the victors, and so Nosgoth's history had some secrets to be uncovered in Defiance. As for his reckless behavior could best be considered a desperate act of self-preservation among hurrying to uncover the truth and his own salvation before history played out.
As being said in the series every member was corrupted kain also by combing herself with him she purified kain in defiance after raziel purified reaver
More like Ariel meets Raziel
This games always had grate voices acting.
Alex Benfield itso nneet game
After watching Breaking Bad I'm always going to think of Skylar White from Breaking Bad after finding out it's the same actress who voiced Ariel 😂
I’m so glad that Skyler White is my favorite character thanks to Anna Gunn when she voiced Ariel in four of the Legacy of Kain games.
@@Unknown_User174 well I wouldn't say I liked Skylar as a character personally, but yeah, I love Anna Gunn as an actress.
@@jamesreed2366 I understand but Anna Gunn is amazing.
@@Unknown_User174 agreed.
Moebius saw this, too, and engineered the near destruction of the vampire race, leaving Kain as the last guardian, and also the last vampire. If Kain were to take his own life, he'd be ensuring the extinction of the vampires, which Moebius desired. Kain, of course, refused the sacrifice, letting the pillars fall into decay, and built his empire upon their ashes.
What pisses me off about Ariel's "Willing instrument" comment about Kain is that SHE was the one who sent him on a quest to take out her fellow guardians and didn't tell him he had to die too. How was he WILLING in ANYTHING? XD He didn't know anything about the Hylden. It sucks that she's trapped at the Pillars but my god, Ariel, stop acting like a victim....
when she claims to be "uncorrupted" this is actually false-
she was just as tainted as the other guardians even beyond Death. making her just as blind ot the Elder god as the rest
I love the Legacy of Kain series it cn never get old, a true classic! never will go out of style!
In the LoK games, time travel cannot cause paradox. We see this many times - when they change something that otherwise would, history and future re-arrange themselves to accomodate the change and keep the same outcome. This is how in Defiance, Raziel can consume Ariel without causing the ill effects noted.
Actually he's the only one that can cause paradoxes, as far as I understood. Him consuming her and dissipating her spirit in Kain purified Kain and could change the flow of history to a huge extent, arming Kain with a weapon that could slay the elder god.
@@Crowsinger Wrong. Raziel cannot create paradoxes on his own. The Reaver blade endowed with his own soul from another time is also required.
@@StygianWolf did I ever write that he could do it without the wraith blade?
@@Crowsinger You specifically commented "he's the only one that can cause paradoxes." That doesn't leave much else room for interpretation.
@@StygianWolf there's no need to argue with your interpretation skills about what was the point I wanted to make.
one of the best stories ever, Crystal dynamics makes amazing games and i hope they finish this story soon
JuggaloJohn :) did they now?
That symbol to the left of Raziel :|
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2:49 Raziel: Then consider this
"shows middle finger"
*snicker* I always wondered why vampires only have 3 fingers in the Legacy of Kain series
Raziel meets Skyler White at the pillars.
I always felt bad for Ariel, having to be trapped in Purgatory alone & scared.
😢
I agree with you there, the designs are generally better looking in SR2, but I preferred the way Moebius and the Elder God were portrayed and the way their actors voiced them in Defiance. Just those two specifically. Ariel is just as good in her dialogue in both games but I also preferred her appearance here than in Defiance.
@combatmaster "In Defiance Raziel absorbed the souls of the original Ancient Guardians, so there goes that way finding answers out the window." Fortunately, we have other methods at our disposal. For example, I understand there are several timestreaming chambers left strewn about the countryside who's owner only recently died....and as luck would have future Kain spent eons mastering such devices when he discovered the chronoplast.
This game is like playing Shakespeare
I believe so too. Ariel is the most mysterious character of all. I suppose she was so deeply in tune with Nosgoth's self, that she was a direct expression of the essence around her. As long as Nosgoth decayed, so she turned into a sad and lonely spirit, clinging to false hopes and forgotten hatreds. I loved his words when Raziel meets her at the Pillars in Defiance. And I loved her even more when I saw her whole and pure in the Reaver Forge. D.R.
i am afraid of ghosts
Raziel:
@Marbles194 I believe that the quality and the resolution was definitely better in Defiance, but what SR2 has on its side is the great character designs. I like a lot more how Raziel is portrayed here than how he is in Defiance.
Wondering how it feels to get a subscribe and like twenty years later 🤣Good idea been enjoying watching random scenes. Wish they would modernize these.
I'd tell you, but you're 3 years early! ;) Fraid there's no new content for you; just Legacy of Kain. Always cool to hear other folks still enjoy the games, though. Maybe someday we'll get remasters, or something, at least.
i wish they would do something new with the storyline
In the 1st LOK she was was the Balance Guardian whom died shortly before Kain was born, this making Kain her successor & guide as he traveled Nosgoth as a fledgling vampire after his own murder in his adult life.
SR1 She acts as a guide to Raziel, but in SR2 the time zone makes her a bit more timid/hostile around him. She doesn't appear in BO2 and in LoKD that era of Ariel rudely helps Raziel locate Vorador's manor & in the end she becomes the last forge & purifies the Soul Reaver.
StarLord Quill, SpaceAce Foxman, Ankhman Catman MoonKnight KISS and they went chasing, pursuing tommy thayer, paul stanley chaim, eric singer the other Kiss! Ariel said to Gene why do you hound me demon. Like in 2009 on YT
My favorite game series of all time
That's an excellent question. Be regardless of it's techincal validitity, isn't it most important to notice he did not offer? Remember his last sentences. He knows she deserves her punishment. Acting as if her hands are clean, when she just as responsible. Thus, so beautiful to see her so destroyed (morally).
Even though Kain went back in time and Raziel kept following and repeating this, I wonder why Ariel never recognized him from Defiance. Maybe that's because that was the first time Raziel got that far.
You are correct. The meeting with Ariel in Defiance is the first time Raziel got that far. He was destined to be trapped in the Reaver during Soul Reaver 2's ending but Kain altered history by stopping it.
Which occurred both after and before Kain acquired it, depending on how you look at it, which is the point I was trying to make. :)
Raziel is a savage in this scene.
Yeah, LoK can be a lot more delicate and 'labyrinthian' than other game series. I hope (and more) the best for the future of the franchise
@combatmaster "I wonder somethin' though, in Defiance, where was future Kain gonna go since he had the perfected Soul Reaver, cured of corruption, and that "bitter taste" of hope." I can only speak for myself, but if I was Kain my next move would be to seek understanding of the pillars, specifically what it is about them that ties the health and vitality of the world to their purity. Then I'd try to find a way to remove that dependence so that the world can thrive with or without the pillars.
To think this would have never happened if no one ever listened to the elder god, the two mightiest races (the "vampires" and the hylden) never battled each other and the pillars were never created.^^'
It was the reverse, actually - the pillars exploded at the moment of Kain's choice not to sacrifice himself, which more or less freed the Hylden, allowing the Hylden Lord to possess Janos.
I wonder... people point out the moment when Ariel in Soul Reaver 1 do not remember her previous encounters with Raziel, but doesn't this scene kinda proves that Ariel was fully deranged in Soul Reaver 1 era and only remembered bita and pieces? I do not remember in detail if that scene is set in future long after Soul Reaver 1 or before, but Ariel does mention "minions of Kain gloating at her" in Soul Reaver 1, so it would lend credibility to theory she remembers bits and pieces - she remembers being confronted but does not remember by whom.
Yea. You're right. It leads fans to believe she was madly insane but they make it unclear and open for speculation because she does rememver some. Poor Ariel.
hehe, I love how responses are slow, but are never over. LoK forever.
I kinda wondered what he meant by "You're merely at the threshold."
He knows she'll be stuck at the pillars for like, 1000 more years at the very least. Doesn't sound like she's at the threshold to me. lol
he knows what the world becomes since he originally came from the same timeline at least 1500 years after the collapse of the pillars, and the world he was in was jsut as much of a shthole.
@@Teixas666
Right... And it doesn't sound like she's at the threshold of escaping. So...
@@JulioVonGhoulio The threshold referred by Raziel means that Ariel's imprisonment at the pillars has only just begun. She's destined to stay there for much much longer.
@@EzioYuio
I took that as she's at the threshold on the way out, but he meant she's at the threshold on the way in.
That makes more sense. But his soft tone at the end led me to believe he was trying to leave her with something a bit more comforting after he basically verbally attacked her.
Thanks.
@@EzioYuioEven if she’s at the threshold forever,
I pity her.
Like her beloved boyfriend Nupraptor.😔
I like how he argues for kain ^^ and how he sighs ,tired of her pathetic disposition.
As said a few posts above, the Inquisitors Kain raised to be their Vampire Offsprings were already dead. He had to take their sould directly from the Spectral Realm and re-bound them to their bodies, but that must have required him some extensive use of necromantic powers, I assume, so the transformation was much different than that the Ancients bestowed upon their children. That is why all of the Lieutenants mutated and gained some sort of speciality. D.R.
Kain had ot infuse a portion of his own soul to raise offspring, it was the only way he figured he could sire other Vampires
issue was, he as the balance guardian was still corrupted by Nuprator, and that corruptino carried over ot his offspring(if raziel wasnt cast into the abyss to " die", good chance he woudl also end up like his bretheren)
@nothri True that, if time travel has taught us anything it's that the dead can still speak in an era where they are alive but it can also trace a freaky destiny. Like murdering your human self for example. lol
I don't get Skylar from this...
But did you know this is the actress who plays Skyler in Breaking Bad?
I love this series! But boy, time travel sure does give a headache ^^; I wonder somethin' though, in Defiance, where was future Kain gonna go since he had the perfected Soul Reaver, cured of corruption, and that "bitter taste" of hope.
@Joudas it didnt become the soul reaver until raziel was absorbed into the blood reaver.
Riiight, now I remembers.
Thus allowing him the opportunity to look for the third option to get out of Moebius's trap and save Nosgoth.
I think the recklessness he presented in Defiance was a result of his own confusion about himself and his place in everything that was happening, and his being tired of seemingly always being a pawn. I think he was just tired of being led around and wanted answers, the cost of getting those answers be damned.
Came here after watching an episode of Breaking Bad.
I think Ariel actually got her mind poisoned even as a spirit in the end.
she wasnt immune ot the corruption, but she had no physical form when it happened
if she was truly pure at that point she would be able ot perceive the elder God and the true nature of the wheels of ate and the pillars
@nothri
He would leave the Infused Reaver in Avernus Cathedral for the young Kain in Bo1 to find.
if only Ghosts were really not hackers.
actually, only one powerful Hylden posseses Janos, the main antagonist of Blood Omen 2 (the Sarafan Lord). This guy however, was the same Hylden possesing Mortanius, by this means, he started the "down with the pillars" plan. At the end of Blood Omen 1, after Kain kills Mortanius, the Hylden inside takes control of the corpse, and gives Kain another battle. After he is defeated, he leaves the body, and as the Pillars collapse, he manages to enter Janos, who was weak because of the cataclysm
Mortanius saw their plan unfolding, recognized it for what it was, and in a moment of clarity, had Kain assassinated so that he could be raised as a vampire, then sent him on his quest to destroy the Circle, so that new guardians could be born. It was Mortanius' belief that Kain would see what had to be done to restore the pillars and, after killing the rest of the circle, take his own life, too.
Using the moment of Kain's choice at the pillars as T, the game goes from T-500 to T+500 to T-30, ending there.
@DeathSpawn666 Exactly, but Blood Omen 2 is just his younger self, where would the future Kain go to now that he's healed? Even he mentioned with the right moves it may be possible to restore the world, but can never give it back its innocence.
Janos was the "greatest vampire to have ever existed", to quote Kain in Blood Omen 1 (upon finding his first Heart of Darkness). Janos possessed the blood reaver (after it was forged by Vorador) but not the soul reaver (as it didn't become the soul reaver until after Kain acquired it (though technically it was 500 years *before* he acquired it - isn't time travel grand?)
In the main storyline, which made that kind of fall possible?
Perhaps the evolution of the characters is much more complex than we pressumed. Perhaps the eternity of imprisonment he endured with the Elder God, distorted his judgment and he could no longer summon the ideas he had previously shaped in his mind while he traversed through Nosgoth in SR2. Perhaps he was just too confused to believe those things anymore. D.R.
I remember in Soul Reaver 1 there was a cutscene when you looked through a portal in the Chronoplast of Raziel reaving Ariel's soul, the reaver turning yellow, but i've read on a website that there were supposed to be as many reavers as glyphs in sr1 and that Ariel's soul would imbue them all, but obviously they went in another direction.
That happened later, in Defiance
It's almost creepy to me how it seems like they based Ariel on her voice actor.
he said around a century after kain's refusal of the Pillars
So, watching Ariel's facial expressions, she seems surprised when Raziel speaks, which implies she didn't realize he was there. Which begs the question....who was she talking to? Does she just randomly monologue about Kain and her past even when no one is around? I suppose there are worse ways to pass the time, but still...
are you alive? if you are, tell me how did you pass your time being alone in a room... with no one but you...
well, he actually was originally designed to be. but the original SR1 couldnt be finished in time, so they used the chronoplast scene to leave it in a "to be continued" but as SR2 was made, the plot began to change drastically, getting kain out of the villain side, and making the Elder God the great manipulating enemy.
All they do is argue and disagree, she just tells him he is a liar and Raziel just says things to hurt her...so yeah you're right
Damn, even as a ghost Ariel is hot
Okay, so the Pillars were created originally to keep the Hylden at bay. They had vampire guardians, which the roles where later granted to humans. And though the humans had no knowledge of the Hylden, they did know that preserving the pillars was essential for Nosgoths integrity against corruption. But I'm curious as to why the elements of the pillars seem to transmigrate a gift to their guardians as Nuprator controlled mind, and moebius to time. How is that essentail to sealing the Hylden?