Canon 200-800 & 100-500 Sony 200-600 On APSC R7 & a6700 Camera Bodies for Birds in Flight!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ม.ค. 2024
- Heather and I went to the Hiwassee Wildlife Refuge to do some Sandhill Crane photography. I brought the Canon R7 with the new RF 200-800mm lens and the Sony a6700 and their 200-600mm lens. Heather used her Canon R7 and her RF 100-500mm lens. We had a nice morning of photography capturing many photos of the cranes and other birds both in flight and on the ground.
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Those are some great shots, Phil and Heather! I have the 200-800 and the 100-500, both great lenses! It might be a better idea to get that shutter speed up more still. ISO 1000-2000 is no problem! Thanks for your time spent shooting and editing! I look forward to the next one
Thank you! We often use a lower shutter speed than one would normally expect or recommend. It works for us but I completely understand that others might choose a faster speed than us in the same situation.
Well done . Just a note... I have my 6700 autofocus set to expanded spot tracking with only bird tracking activated . Tracking speed max. I don't seem to have any issues with busy backgrounds messing up focus.
Thank you, Dan! I'm set up exactly the same except I use spot instead of expanded spot. I'll give expanded spot a try next time.
Great information. Thank you for the effort. I'm very happy I decided to wait and not get the 100-500 when I switched over to mirrorless.
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Beautiful photos! It's always su h a pleasure to view you and Heather's work. Thanks!
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Always great shots. Good job, Phil and Heather!
Thank you, Tim!
Great pictures ! Love Heather's group pics.
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Great job on the shots Phil and Heather. Looks like a lot of action was happening there that day 👍🙏
Thank you, Adrian! It's a wonderful place for bird photography! I will miss it until Crane season starts again next year.
Happy New Year Phil and Heather and Thanks for sharing. Keep up the good work and press that shutter. Greetings from Per Christensen, Denmark
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Great shots Phil & Heather! I'm jealous of the light you had that day. I can't wait until the black out free viewfinder trickles down the camera line.
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Thanks so much for sharing another wonderful video like always Phil 👌
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Awe. Some. Shots 😊 We look forward to the autumn crane migration every year, as they head your way from here in Canada. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you! I wonder if we will photograph the same birds! :)
@@PhilThach Among the thousands, I will try to look for identifying marks 😀. Last year, we also photographed a flock of 25 Whooping Cranes on their way from Wood Buffalo, AB, to Aransas, TX. Considering that there are only 536 in the wild, it was especially thrilling.
Great video you two and good shooting Heather :)
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Thanks for the video Phil. You both made some amazing shots as usual. It's funny you mention the AF in the Canon being better than their Sony. I find the opposite in just about every situation.i need to check the AF settings on my R7. I got my 200-800 and it works so well on all of my Canon bodies but I like it most on the R7. Cheers
Thank you! They are both very good systems but I tend to like the Canon just a little bit better.
Phil and Heather, thanks for another informative and visually entertaining video. Heather, your image at 9:35 of the group of cranes is my overall favorite. In addition to your great sense of composition, the sharpness, color, contrast, and detail in your images with the Canon 100-500 lens (to me anyways) demonstrate it's superior image quality over the other two lenses (if that's what one is interested in). Of course, since it is an 'L' lens, with a significantly higher price tag, one should expect this. Not to say the 200-800 and Sony 200-600 are not worthy of being very good birding lenses in the right hands.
Your comments about rolling shutter and the shutter noise level on the R7 are always worth bringing up. Have you tried shooting in electronic first curtain? Cheers!
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Great video Phil.
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Great photos
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Hiwassee is becoming real popular place these days. I was surprised to hear the Canon did better than the Sony at AF. Was it low light conditions you think that caused it to struggle.
I love to go there but this is probably my last visit there for Cranes this season. I go in late November and December and then I go elsewhere in January when it gets crowded there. I don't think it was low light that made the Sony jump to the background. I had the same light with the Canon system and it didn't struggle to find the bird when the background was busy nearly as often.
Its weird that in Eos m6 mark ii the mech shutter doesnt have blackout a bit, the sony a6400 blackout when the shutter clicks
Great job! You both did good and the 100-500 didn’t hold Heather back at all.
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Thank you for good review. I have both rf 100-500 and fe 200-600 ,I use them with ff bodies R8 and a7C mark ll. Yes the Canon AF is better ,the new Sony a7cll and a6700 have new A1 chip and af is better compared to a7IV.. There is a new feature in sony bodies to tweak the bird AF more on eye or body etc. I must try this in different situations. Anyway both combos are very good...
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Hi Phil & Heather, you already know envy you guys live so close to these magical sandhill cranes !
I liked Phil image at 5:10 best, for some reason the lower sand colored bokeh gives it a more pleasant feeling than the slightly cropped next shot of the same flyby. From Heather I mostly loved the banking juvenile at 10:12 and the 7x16 crop with the 8-some cranes 👍
Where you really shooting full mechanical ? With these lenses there's no reason to avoid EFCS (when avoiding ES for rolling shutter). EFCS will almost be as noisy as MS, but it's noise (and vibrations) come after the shot which avoids shutter shock and it just might also reduce the black outs ..
Euhm Phil, after sleeping over it (but without actually testing) I'm even more convinced the EFCS mode should give less blackout compared to MS: with MS, the shutter is only open during exposure (and somebody crippled out the mirror to provide some sight during the time in between shots). With EFCS, the shutter just closes briefly after taking the image, then opens up again. As such with high shutter speeds and low framerates the blackout using MS will be maximized. With low shutter speeds and high framerates the blackout of MS and EFCS might approach each other ..
I can say on my R5 when using EFCS, I hardly notice the blackouts. It may well be EFCS mode keeps the shutter closed for about the reading time of the sensor, and the R5 reads over twice as fast as the R7. But your R6ii is even slightly faster than the R5 I thought.
@@WernerBirdNature Thank you! I appreciate your insistence on using EFCS and I think you may be right. We have only gone shooting once since your last comment on a different video suggesting it and it was a low-light perched bird situation. We tried EFCS and didn't like it. At all. However, in a birds-in-flight situation, as we had in this video, I think you are probably right. EFCS would probably be the best choice of the three shutter types.
@@PhilThach Hi Phil, When the bird isn't moving (much) and when you want to be silent, then ES can also be a good choice, which I also use. But from my experience, there's no good reason to use MS. In theory, when shooting faster than 1/1000 and wider than f4.5, and you need to avoid rolling shutter then MS avoids the bokeh artifacts such settings could give using EFCS. So pro's with a 600/4 without a stacked sensor can still use MS for good reason. And it's those artifacts which gave EFCS a bad reputation with pros. But while birding you'd need glass beyond 10k$ to run into such problems.
Still I'm wondering what you didn't like at all using EFCS (in this low light perched case) and how that would be different from using MS ?
Also, for some reason bodies older than the R6ii cannot expose longer than 0.5s in ES, meaning for long exposure waterfall you can only use EFCS.
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Thank you for a lovely comparison. I just have to comment: The R7 has the loudest mechanical shutter ever? Man, have you ever shot a 1D3 or any other " real" camera? No really. I cant understand what on earth people are on about. Is mine special? because it sounds like quite a damped action for such a fast rate. It definately is about half the din made by my 1D3. Same with the blackout. Every SLR does blackout. It never was a problem before. But now its a big deal. I dont follow. What is something I struggled with is getting reprogrammed to use the EVF to acquire and follow BIF. I really could not get it to work easily in the beginning until I began to use one of the back buttons to initiate tracking. Once I learnt that lesson, it is now about 500% easier than in the DSLR days.
Thank you! I stand by my comment, the R7 mechanical shutter is very loud. Especially when compared to other mirrorless cameras. It is much louder than my full-frame R6 Mark II for example.
So why would you want clouds over the lake? I still don’t know how to position with sun and cloud 😅
Clouds would make for a nice background. Sun at my back would make for good light on the birds.