I think he might hold the record for most characters played in Star Trek. But I suppose that depends on if imagined characters, and if each Weyoun clone in fact counts as a different character.
@@GhostLink92 I think a good compromise is to count Good Weyoun as a separate character but the rest as a continuation of the same character. Especially since he's the only one on screen (kind of) with Evil Weyoun at the same time :P
The Quickening was amazing. Realizing losing the Dominion War could literally be a fate worse than death was chilling. The optimistic, arrogant and heroic Dr Bashir slowly being defeated made it all the more terrifying
And then it was topped off with the bittersweet compromise victory at the end where the next generation would be cured but they still couldn't do anything for the current victims. The scene where he tells her the baby doesn't have the blight literally the second before she dies always stuck with me. You can see the look of relief and even happiness on her face right before she goes because she knows at least her child doesn't have it.
Show the Dominion being truly evil. They would either destory you culture to control you slowly (like leftist globalist cult) or fighting back, punish you for a fate worst than death.
Well, a bunch of the writers left TNG for Ds9; the good ones I should say. All the shit writers AFTER TNG went to VOY, but once DS9 was done, VOY picked up, why? The good writers from DS9 needed something to do :D
@@IRMentatI'm still mad about the fact that they didn't kill off Harry Kim because Garrett Wang got on the 50 most beautiful people list. If it wasn't for that, we would have had no Harry Kim and we would have had both 7 of 9 and Kes
Ok, Ok, I had a LULZ for the joke like everyone else, but I'm in a magnanimous mood today. I don't think Voyager actually ditched itself that badly, especially not after STD. I'd even go so far as to say it had more than its share of moments after it entirely got rid of the character of Kes, which took 2 seasons too many and then they brought her back for a one-off "wrap up" storyline which the Audience was better off without, anyway. As with many other ST series, Voyager's best features are its characters. Unlike DS9, though, Voyager apparently lacked the good sense to use as many of the supporting guest stars to their full potential. 2 episodes for Brad Dourif, as an example, was not enough. I'll be voting for the Doctor, Tuvok, and Seven of Nine as the best reasons to watch Voyager. And as a kicker, I guarantee that the show runners knew they should have put Seven into a standard Starfleet uniform before seasons 6 and 7, and way more often.
Given how polarised hollywood is I'd believe that to be the case. Everything he said in that interview about not sensationalising a lesbo kiss and focusing on the story is the complete anti to what hollywood is doing now. He even cuts that BS short at conventions with fans when they ask him race related questions. He doesn't play to any of that crap and is all about his craft, which does make him truly based. And I wish he was in more stuff because of it.
He's gone loony. Like actual looney. Like trys to talk while speaking in metaphor by playing piano. But he seems pretty content and inoffensive. He's happy to be where he is and doing what he's doing so it's totally cool that he's gone off the deep end in peace.
@@gryphonofmight as in: "If you dont need Money, then you dont need mine." Or that Quark line, where he points out that a speaking Morn Hologramm would be prohibitively expensive.
For The Cause is the beginning of Sisko's descent into darkness (no pun intended). Without For The Cause, there can be no For The Uniform or In The Pale Moonlight.
Federation: we respect ever alien culture. Wolf: practice his culture with his bother. Federation: How dare you! Wolf instead set his bother to a fate worse than death from Bashir horror lab. Federation: true humanitarian. Babylon 5 take lead to actual show the horror of permently easing one memory. Hate Son of morgh episode.
Worf’s brother was an awesome character too. Teaching Worf about Klingons, I love the scene he saves his brother’s life because Worf didn’t notice the other Klingon.
3 was good. 4 and 5 were just crushing seasons of power. Plus Worf adding so much dynamic and having such a character development that just draws you in on a different level.
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@@n0rton Nah. If I need to put financial details in an alt tech site i might as well tell my local ANTIFA my home address and that i dont gobble Marx balls. The fact these days the commies try and deplatform anyone and everyone on any site they see fit im not trusting anything that doesnt allow total annonymity
@@kyler247 I don't understand why he gets so much hassle with that? Newbie Star Trek seem to manage fine with their same style show looking at The Next Generation.
Almost all of DS9 after season 2 is a tour de force. I agree that Rejoined and Bar Association were stinkers. Bar Association moreso because there's NO saving it. Rejoined could have worked VERY well if certain things were tweaked but the premise remaining the same. Rejoined could have worked if: 1) set later in the series after Jadzia and Worf were deeper into their mutual attraction but not yet committed so that Jadzia has the struggle of past feelings for an old flame in a new host vs her current feelings for Worf. 2) have the old flame be in a male host 3) b plot of Worf figuring out how to deal with a rival
@@acekoala457but if done later and made into a soapy "will she choose Worf or the old flame?" , it'd have been plenty edgy for mid 90s broadcast television.
Keeping the rival a female would make the Worf stuff hilarious, though. "Klingon Honor dictates that, in this situation, I must duel my romantic opponent to the death." "She's half your size, Worf!" "I don't make the rules, O'Brian."
..."after season 2" That's when I had stopped watching. I really need to go back and watch the series. During my layoff during the lockdowns, I spent about four months slowly working my way through all of TOS and TNG.. but went back to work before I could be bothered with DS9. When it was first being broadcast I was away at college and not really watching much TV... I was a casual, but it never really roped me in... Now for decades many, many people have told me it great starting with S3... so one of these days I'll need to binge it.
@@joshuastoughton1693It made sense. Dukat said to Weyoun, to paraphrase.... "Make them see it was wrong to fight you... Then kill them if its necessary" Dukat is a man who wants love. But he wants the love that is worship. His daughter couldn't give him that adoration. But a sex cult? It's a shallow replacement but by then he was willing to take what he could get to feed his ego
The cult thing was spicy! They should've had him at the head of an even greater cult, all bajorans and possibly former collaborationists, terrorizing the Federation.@@joshuastoughton1693
As a Trek fan, I wasn't all that invested in DS9, back when it was on tv. I'd catch an episode here and there, but I never got into it. Then, one Christmas, I got the DS9 boxset on dvd; and I sat down to watch it. The first couple of seasons were kinda MEH, but it really got good around S4 onwards. DS9 is top-tier Star Trek. 🙂😁
Hahaha it was really funny after the clip of Avery Brookes swooning over the episode ‘Rejoined’ and speaking in glowing terms over how groundbreaking this stuff was-cut to Razor “… this was a dud. It was really not good.”
I get why he talked about it the way he did because it is also prominent to Sisko and mirrors his pain because he would kill for a chance to be with his wife again but he can't while Dax gets a chance but he has to be the voice of reason. It was handled well but more importantly, it gives depth to Dax's past lives and the concept of another chance at love.
That episode completely miss that current host are reliving a past relationship between two dead lovers. So did they really love each other or only love each because of that past relationship. There is a different between the host and symbiote, the episode completely ignore that aspect.
Deep Space 9 is an absolute masterpiece. There was so many aspects it explored. Religion, War, PTSD, Geoncide, Family. It was populated with strong well written characters brought to life by an AMAZING group of actors with Avery Brooks leading the way. Ill never be able to praise it enought for breaking the mold of startrek and elevating it story telling to entirely new levels
It has much the same grit as Undiscovered Country, where we see that not all of Starfleet (even in the highest echelons) are pure, strong hearted, peaceful explorers. And the Federation ideals often meet unmovable walls of hard reality.
I was watching DS9 when this season was first airing. And I remember at the time that I thought that this season and the introduction of Worf really made the show hit it's stride and become my favorite ST show. Having now rewatched the series as an adult, seasons 1-3 still really hold up, but season 4 is still special. It often felt like seasons 1-3 was the show trying to find it's unique voice separate from the other shows, and that really happened in 4. I think it is worth noting that DS9 was basically the red-headed step child of the ST showrunners. TNG was the legacy show, and Voyager was supposed to be the cool new show and DS9 was often an afterthought. But all that lead to a certain independence for the writers that allowed them to explore territory that other shows just didn’t
My favorite line of the season is when O'Brian is about to go kick some ass with Jeffrey combs and the space lizards and he goes "I'm miles O'Brian and I'd like to comeback alive". I also love to air guitar to the outtro like an idiot.
I remember being a young punk kid in the 90's and my mum worked with a guy who had all of DS9 on VHS and he would lend me a couple at a time I swear I nearly wore the "Way of the Warrior" one out. I watched it so many times. Almost without fail every Friday for half a year. It was amazing. The BBC would show DS9 on BBC2 on Thursday night (i think) and I was able to start watching through quicker than they were on TV as the BBC were a few years behind. The only other thing that had come close up till that point was in "The Die is Cast" when Odo and Garak are trying to escape the fleet in the Runabout and the Defiant swoops in and blasts the Jem-Had-Dar ships to pieces and saves them. I was so pumped my mum came into the front room to ask what was going on and she couldn't understand what the fuss was about.
Season 4 of DS9 has some of the best trek available. Including quite possibly the most emotionally potent episode of all trek right along with TNG's "Inner Light", and my personal favorite, DS9 season 4, episode 2, "The Visitor".
I absolutely agree. Both of those episodes take a similar premise and knock it out of the park. They both play on their respective character's emotional cores: Picard's deep need for a family (which is appropriately emphasized again in Generations, and Picard S3) , and Jake's deep, deep love for his father.
@@malachai1381also some of the most beautiful musical compositions composed for the franchise ever. Get ahold of the 30th Anniversary music album. Orchestral Suite for The Inner Light, and the orchestral theme for The Visitor are both featured.
I was always a fan of the maquis storylines, particularly when Gul Dukat was involved. One of the best villians? ever. DS9 makes me so nostalgic. Pre 9/11. Pre cellphone. Pre social media. In 99 or 2000, they ran reruns in my local market every night after Letterman. I watched every episode multiple times, like a nightly bed time story.
Search for Spock is impressive and criminally underrated. It should have been terrible, considering what it undos. But by some miracle we got a great movie. Stealing the Enterprise with Scotty trolling the Excelsior. Was glorious.
Hard time and the sword of Kahless were my favourite episodes of the season. The one scene that really stuck with me was when Kor used Kahless' bat'leth as a fork to eat his food. I didn't understand why he did it at the time but now I see it as a perfect analogy of how studios are currently treating our beloved franchises, like Disney once it got its grubby little paws all over Lucasfilm.
TOS had many of its best episodes in the first season, TNG has season 5, ENT has season 3, and Voyager has...scattered good episodes. But for my money, DS9 season 4 surpasses them all. I mean, the first two episodes are The Way of the Warrior and The Visitor, two of the very best in all of Star Trek. You get O'Brien's best episode in Hard Time. The Quickening has a case for being the best Bashir episode. And some of the best Ferengi episodes in Little Green Men and Body Parts (which has my favorite ending of the entire series). Not to mention the perfect Odo and Quark moment from Crossfire. And there's so much more.
I dunno. Magnificent Ferengi in later seasons (I forget which) is also absolutely phenomenal as a Ferengi episode. As is the episode where Quark pulls a Mrs Doubtfire.
A friend of mine and fellow ST fan and had a conversation about this. My conclusion was "this was where DS9 officially became the fucking 'Worf and Martok Happy Bloodbath Funtime Show.' LOL Absolutely right about the Klingons here.
DS9 was the first Star Trek Series I watched in its entirety, and it will always be my favorite. I loved everything from the machiavellian machinations of the Cardassians, to the doofy exploits of the bumbling Ferengi (which has the same energy as Bulk and Skull, the bullies from Mighy Morphin' Power Rangers). In retrospect, I shouldn't have started on DS9, since after watching it, it was glaringly obvious how inferior all the other series were. It took me over a year to get through Voyager, because I just kept putting it off lol.
I wonder if Rene Auberjonois and Armin Shimmerman ever talked about how they ended playing the exact same character later in their careers. Both of these characters even being similar to their DS9 characters. Rene's more than Armin's.
Rom does alright in next season's episode "The Assignment", although it's Keiko's character that fit it perfectly. Other than that though three words: Self-replicating mines (maybe that's just two words).
The way Worf is seamlessly folded into the already established and ongoing DS9 saga without missing a beat is masterful. I've made the argument to friends that Worf feels more like he belongs in the more morally ambiguous world of DS9, than he does as the rulebook loving officious security chief aboard the Federation flagship, and if he'd joined the show at the start alongside O'Brien, it would still have been a perfect fit.
IMO, DS9 was THE best Trek series because it WASN'T all unicorns and rainbows and how perfect the Federation is. It was raw, gritty, real & things didn't always go well, but they persevered and ultimately won. Sisko is a badass. Garak is the best character in Trek - period. And I would argue that ITPM (ok, S6) may be the best episode of not just DS9, not just Trek, but of Television.
Except most of the issues are complete bullshit. You have unlimited free energy and replicators to replicate everything. Like, holy shit. What fucking problems can you idiots have? You wanted to live on the frontier, now you do, and EVERYTHING you need or want can be replicated. I bet you found it believable when Romulus blew up, and the romulans STAR EMPIRE needed help to relocate people from one planet around one star in a STAR EMPIRE
As to Rejoined - I can say you could argue the merits of the idea of pining for what might have been... but that's what it is. And what it obviously stayed afterward. In the argument Avery made (which don't get me wrong his views are insightful and respectful to the core of the issue, as fuck) wherein they had been seperated for 150 years... the KEY point IS that they were seperated for 150 years. In all of that time, they would exceptionally likely have grown down any number of varied paths, as distinctly different people to who they'd been that the two of them fell individually in love with at the start. Even IF you could reconnect; there's no guarantee that who either of them became would at all gel with who the other was now. Compared to who they'd been at the time they were together. It's a concept of two ships passing, and ne'er to truly meet the same again. Argue the physical chemistry in that kiss for closure all you like (It's Terry Feral and depending on views, she could have at that time had chemistry with a doorknob as far as I'm concerned) but the core of the issue being they are fundamentally different people. At different stages in their lives. Arguing that they could have gotten together again by different choices is the same one that Stephanie Myers presented in Twilight. Wherein Juliet could and perhaps should have chosen Paris instead of Romeo. It doesn't matter, and it's circular to the point of moronic to try to make that argument. She didn't and she never would. That's the point in "Star-Crossed." [Yes, I realize I just admitted I read Twilight. No, I'm not proud of it, and I do in fact think it hurt my brain...] It doesn't matter how well shot, well directed or well intended the episode might have been: The crux of it did not need to happen - and if Dax was previously involved on the station, you'd think that's a complication she would just ignore for what it could cost. But maybe that's just me.
Excellent top picks Gents! I can't think of better people to review my favorite Trek series. Every DS9 drop from this channel is total hype and instant click from me!
It's hard to pick which show between the two I love the most. I feel like the production quality of DS9 was way better...however, something about Babylon 5 was magical. Can't put my finger on it.
Avery Brooks makes the show. I’m watching “Spenser for Hire” and “A Man Called Hawk”. I could watch Brooks threaten punks, pontificate, or narrate the NOVA “Earthquake!” episode every day of the week.
I’ve been rewatching ds9 for the 3rd time recently, half way through season 3. Ds9 is so fucking good. Like every episode is fantastic. The way the show handles things like war, peace and religion, family and fatherhood (in a single father of a young son) and many other topics is fantastic. This show is one of the greatest (if not the greatest) show ever. I love it. This is my first time watching it as a single father, and the relationship of sisko and jake, and rom and nog hits different. Such great writing. It truly blows all new trek out of the water (and even most old trek, which I love).
I was confused when you guys went into Nana and Sidig, I was like "I don't remember an episode where they hooked up" only to slowly realize, oh you mean IRL. Well good for them!
That scene where Kurn was pointing the disrupter at his head, Worf Should've just Punched him in the face & went off on a rant "Oh so you've been stripped of your earthly possessions & titles so you're just going to lay down & die & let that dishonorable Galron Win!?!"
Too bad the big wigs didn't want to restore DS9. They transferred the film to videotape and did the effects and editing. On Netflix it didn't look good.
Thanks for introducing this series to me. I watched TNG all the way through and had this on my list to watch but I never got around to it till you starting making vids for it. Matter of fact it's high time for a rewatch.
Oh wow, Star Trek had a same-sex kiss. Didn't even hear about that (or remember seeing this episode) but be damm sure Chairman Kennedy and her Lucasfilm cronies wouldn't shut up about their same-sex kiss in Last Jedi...which they edited out for Chinese audiences of course. Avery really was a class act, sadly now an extinct breed in Hollyweird.
Season 4 is when D9 thought they needed to fix the theme tune by adding the obnoxious synth pulse as a rhythmic backbone to what was originally a brilliant free form arrangement.
I need to watch DS9. Not again, not rewatch, I just need to buckle down and watch the show. I have seen episodes and I've liked them all and loved the characters, but I've never taken the time to just sit down and watch.
I don't if you mentioned it in the individual reviews but I've thought the romantic relationship between Kira and Odo made less sense the more I thought about it. As a kid I found it believable but thinking more on how Odo is a liquid, shapeshifting entity, his falling in love with Kira seems rather odd. It would be like Sisko falling in love with and octopus.
A romance between Odo and Dax actually makes more sense as both are essentially 'timeless' beings and Jadzia's death and Enzi entry would have been more poignant due to the bar on reassociation and whether Enzi would be willing to forsake her own people as Odo did with his, even though it would condemn the symbiont to death and break Odo's 'heart' all over again. Kira would have been just fine paired off with Worf or even Damar (but not Dukat, as that would have been jumping the shark).
Honestly I think DS9 turned the corner with Duet in season 1. It felt like it was getting hand-me-down find-and-replace scripts from TNG until then. From then on it stopped feeling that way. That said, they were *good* hand-me-downs, mostly.
Jeffrey Combs the unsung hero of DS9. Just an absolute pro.
He's the hero of everything he touches
I think he might hold the record for most characters played in Star Trek. But I suppose that depends on if imagined characters, and if each Weyoun clone in fact counts as a different character.
@@GhostLink92 I think a good compromise is to count Good Weyoun as a separate character but the rest as a continuation of the same character.
Especially since he's the only one on screen (kind of) with Evil Weyoun at the same time :P
The Quickening was amazing. Realizing losing the Dominion War could literally be a fate worse than death was chilling. The optimistic, arrogant and heroic Dr Bashir slowly being defeated made it all the more terrifying
And then it was topped off with the bittersweet compromise victory at the end where the next generation would be cured but they still couldn't do anything for the current victims. The scene where he tells her the baby doesn't have the blight literally the second before she dies always stuck with me. You can see the look of relief and even happiness on her face right before she goes because she knows at least her child doesn't have it.
Show the Dominion being truly evil. They would either destory you culture to control you slowly (like leftist globalist cult) or fighting back, punish you for a fate worst than death.
I wish the Federation in DS9 had lost the Dominion war.
@@Infernal460why?
@@Infernal460 Edgelord 3000 🤣
"Voyager turned the corner into a ditch..."
Who let Janeway drive, anyways?
or worse, ensign kim.
Well, a bunch of the writers left TNG for Ds9; the good ones I should say. All the shit writers AFTER TNG went to VOY, but once DS9 was done, VOY picked up, why? The good writers from DS9 needed something to do :D
She smelled the Starbucks...
@@IRMentatI'm still mad about the fact that they didn't kill off Harry Kim because Garrett Wang got on the 50 most beautiful people list. If it wasn't for that, we would have had no Harry Kim and we would have had both 7 of 9 and Kes
Ok, Ok, I had a LULZ for the joke like everyone else, but I'm in a magnanimous mood today. I don't think Voyager actually ditched itself that badly, especially not after STD. I'd even go so far as to say it had more than its share of moments after it entirely got rid of the character of Kes, which took 2 seasons too many and then they brought her back for a one-off "wrap up" storyline which the Audience was better off without, anyway.
As with many other ST series, Voyager's best features are its characters. Unlike DS9, though, Voyager apparently lacked the good sense to use as many of the supporting guest stars to their full potential. 2 episodes for Brad Dourif, as an example, was not enough.
I'll be voting for the Doctor, Tuvok, and Seven of Nine as the best reasons to watch Voyager. And as a kicker, I guarantee that the show runners knew they should have put Seven into a standard Starfleet uniform before seasons 6 and 7, and way more often.
Root beer conversation may have been the best back and forth in the history of Star Trek
I thought it was rather insidious myself.
@@TheRealNormanBates It's vile
@@kabulykos Just like the Federation.
I wonder if the reason Avery Brooks never gets any work anymore is because he’s too based and would likely go against a lot of the current day bs
Given how polarised hollywood is I'd believe that to be the case. Everything he said in that interview about not sensationalising a lesbo kiss and focusing on the story is the complete anti to what hollywood is doing now.
He even cuts that BS short at conventions with fans when they ask him race related questions. He doesn't play to any of that crap and is all about his craft, which does make him truly based. And I wish he was in more stuff because of it.
Apparently he's happy being essentially retired and teaching acting classes. He's been happy to stay out of political drama too.
He's gone loony. Like actual looney. Like trys to talk while speaking in metaphor by playing piano.
But he seems pretty content and inoffensive. He's happy to be where he is and doing what he's doing so it's totally cool that he's gone off the deep end in peace.
@@kri249would definitely be great if he was in more stuff, very few people nowadays like him.
@@TheDoctorProfessorthat’s good at least. Probably better for his mental health to stay out of it considering just how crazy everything is now.
The plot twist with Mexican Congressional Alien. It is made of paper mache.
The issue with Bar Association is not just that it is so heavy handed, but that so many are written out of character just for the sake of the message
Sadly that's not the only star trek episode to fall victim to this.
Plus it's a bit disengenuine, if one considers how this episode (has to) circumvent trade Unions (speaking parts)
@@comentedonakeyboardPlus several Nog focused episode really do a great job showing how good free market economics are
@@gryphonofmight as in: "If you dont need Money, then you dont need mine." Or that Quark line, where he points out that a speaking Morn Hologramm would be prohibitively expensive.
@@Tuvok_Shakur "work to improve ourselves" or reduce a prison sentence.
DS9 turned the corner when Avery Brooks shaved his head.
And the goatee. Don’t forget the goatee.
The Visitor always makes my cry so afterwards I go to talk to my dad and then quickly realize why we don't hang out, it's a vicious cycle.
That's hilarious
For The Cause is the beginning of Sisko's descent into darkness (no pun intended). Without For The Cause, there can be no For The Uniform or In The Pale Moonlight.
"The Visitor" is probably my favorite episode of DS9.
Federation: we respect ever alien culture.
Wolf: practice his culture with his bother.
Federation: How dare you!
Wolf instead set his bother to a fate worse than death from Bashir horror lab.
Federation: true humanitarian.
Babylon 5 take lead to actual show the horror of permently easing one memory.
Hate Son of morgh episode.
Worf’s brother was an awesome character too. Teaching Worf about Klingons, I love the scene he saves his brother’s life because Worf didn’t notice the other Klingon.
3 was good. 4 and 5 were just crushing seasons of power.
Plus Worf adding so much dynamic and having such a character development that just draws you in on a different level.
So happy to see this back! And completely agreed: _Way of the Warrior_ isn't just a great two-parter but a straight up rebirth for the show.
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The Way Of The Warrior was such a badass opener. It was better to watch as a movie, than half of the Star Trek movies.
DS9 is tha best Star Trek series, period.....
DS9 is the best Trek it has the greatest protagonist Gul Dukat
Dukat really is one of the best villains in the history of TV. The falls and redemption arcs made him feel so relatable.
Say Sike Right Now
Terran Gell sounds like an actual Cardassian name.
Hell yeah this sick day just became awesome!
More DS9 content please?
See the link in the video description, tiny paywall though
He's got tons of ds9 content, hours and hours and hours, but TH-cam won't allow it due to copyright. Check the description.
@@n0rton Nah. If I need to put financial details in an alt tech site i might as well tell my local ANTIFA my home address and that i dont gobble Marx balls. The fact these days the commies try and deplatform anyone and everyone on any site they see fit im not trusting anything that doesnt allow total annonymity
@@kyler247 I don't understand why he gets so much hassle with that? Newbie Star Trek seem to manage fine with their same style show looking at The Next Generation.
yes🗿
Almost all of DS9 after season 2 is a tour de force.
I agree that Rejoined and Bar Association were stinkers. Bar Association moreso because there's NO saving it. Rejoined could have worked VERY well if certain things were tweaked but the premise remaining the same.
Rejoined could have worked if:
1) set later in the series after Jadzia and Worf were deeper into their mutual attraction but not yet committed so that Jadzia has the struggle of past feelings for an old flame in a new host vs her current feelings for Worf.
2) have the old flame be in a male host
3) b plot of Worf figuring out how to deal with a rival
If the new flame was a man it wouldn't be edgy to have to chicks mack on each other.
Gotta think of the ratings....
@@acekoala457but if done later and made into a soapy "will she choose Worf or the old flame?" , it'd have been plenty edgy for mid 90s broadcast television.
Keeping the rival a female would make the Worf stuff hilarious, though.
"Klingon Honor dictates that, in this situation, I must duel my romantic opponent to the death."
"She's half your size, Worf!"
"I don't make the rules, O'Brian."
@@patrickfrost9405"Choose your weapons."
*Worf chooses a bat'leth*
*Old flame chooses a barrel*
..."after season 2"
That's when I had stopped watching. I really need to go back and watch the series. During my layoff during the lockdowns, I spent about four months slowly working my way through all of TOS and TNG.. but went back to work before I could be bothered with DS9. When it was first being broadcast I was away at college and not really watching much TV... I was a casual, but it never really roped me in... Now for decades many, many people have told me it great starting with S3... so one of these days I'll need to binge it.
"Rejoined" does the Trill dirty and the DS9 writers never really made up for it until Season 7.
DS9 is probably one of the best Trek out there. I just wish they didn't ruin Dukat in the end of the series.
I don't think they ruined him. He became the perfect antithesis to Sisko
@@ChewyChicken589 he also took out Jadzia and replaced her with a superior version of her own character
Dukat deserved better
@@joshuastoughton1693It made sense. Dukat said to Weyoun, to paraphrase.... "Make them see it was wrong to fight you... Then kill them if its necessary"
Dukat is a man who wants love. But he wants the love that is worship. His daughter couldn't give him that adoration. But a sex cult? It's a shallow replacement but by then he was willing to take what he could get to feed his ego
The cult thing was spicy! They should've had him at the head of an even greater cult, all bajorans and possibly former collaborationists, terrorizing the Federation.@@joshuastoughton1693
Yes more DS9 content.
😂 wasted
Worf was the character that barrels fall on…
The mirror universe was just an opportunity to get Kira in some hot leathers.
I never complained about that personally.
@@Erick_Bloodaxe
Definitely not a complaint, actually a ringing endorsement. She was yummy.
@@camerongunn7906 Yes she was. She's still not bad looking for her age either.
As a Trek fan, I wasn't all that invested in DS9, back when it was on tv. I'd catch an episode here and there, but I never got into it.
Then, one Christmas, I got the DS9 boxset on dvd; and I sat down to watch it. The first couple of seasons were kinda MEH, but it really got good around S4 onwards.
DS9 is top-tier Star Trek. 🙂😁
I would own more dvds if their prices weren’t absolutely bullshit.
Hahaha it was really funny after the clip of Avery Brookes swooning over the episode ‘Rejoined’ and speaking in glowing terms over how groundbreaking this stuff was-cut to Razor “… this was a dud. It was really not good.”
I get why he talked about it the way he did because it is also prominent to Sisko and mirrors his pain because he would kill for a chance to be with his wife again but he can't while Dax gets a chance but he has to be the voice of reason. It was handled well but more importantly, it gives depth to Dax's past lives and the concept of another chance at love.
That episode completely miss that current host are reliving a past relationship between two dead lovers. So did they really love each other or only love each because of that past relationship. There is a different between the host and symbiote, the episode completely ignore that aspect.
@@bloodysimile4893 yeah, it's really pretty creepy when you actually think about it, which, ironically, is rather apropos given the subject matter.
Deep Space 9 is an absolute masterpiece. There was so many aspects it explored. Religion, War, PTSD, Geoncide, Family. It was populated with strong well written characters brought to life by an AMAZING group of actors with Avery Brooks leading the way. Ill never be able to praise it enought for breaking the mold of startrek and elevating it story telling to entirely new levels
DS9: Star Trek as written by dudes with a little more depth than space hippies with a fleet.
That's why I love it.
It has much the same grit as Undiscovered Country, where we see that not all of Starfleet (even in the highest echelons) are pure, strong hearted, peaceful explorers. And the Federation ideals often meet unmovable walls of hard reality.
Season 3 turns the corner and starts climbing. Season 4 hits the treeline and is getting pretty high up there.
I love how passionate Razor and Terran are as Trekkies
I was watching DS9 when this season was first airing. And I remember at the time that I thought that this season and the introduction of Worf really made the show hit it's stride and become my favorite ST show.
Having now rewatched the series as an adult, seasons 1-3 still really hold up, but season 4 is still special. It often felt like seasons 1-3 was the show trying to find it's unique voice separate from the other shows, and that really happened in 4.
I think it is worth noting that DS9 was basically the red-headed step child of the ST showrunners. TNG was the legacy show, and Voyager was supposed to be the cool new show and DS9 was often an afterthought. But all that lead to a certain independence for the writers that allowed them to explore territory that other shows just didn’t
My favorite line of the season is when O'Brian is about to go kick some ass with Jeffrey combs and the space lizards and he goes "I'm miles O'Brian and I'd like to comeback alive".
I also love to air guitar to the outtro like an idiot.
I remember being a young punk kid in the 90's and my mum worked with a guy who had all of DS9 on VHS and he would lend me a couple at a time I swear I nearly wore the "Way of the Warrior" one out. I watched it so many times. Almost without fail every Friday for half a year. It was amazing. The BBC would show DS9 on BBC2 on Thursday night (i think) and I was able to start watching through quicker than they were on TV as the BBC were a few years behind.
The only other thing that had come close up till that point was in "The Die is Cast" when Odo and Garak are trying to escape the fleet in the Runabout and the Defiant swoops in and blasts the Jem-Had-Dar ships to pieces and saves them. I was so pumped my mum came into the front room to ask what was going on and she couldn't understand what the fuss was about.
I can't look past the Way of the Warrior as the best episode of the Season 4. When most people think of DS9, they think of Seasons 4, 5 and 6.
God i've missed these. Razor, your film noir and 80s films are my top, love this as well
Season 4 of DS9 has some of the best trek available. Including quite possibly the most emotionally potent episode of all trek right along with TNG's "Inner Light", and my personal favorite, DS9 season 4, episode 2, "The Visitor".
I absolutely agree. Both of those episodes take a similar premise and knock it out of the park. They both play on their respective character's emotional cores: Picard's deep need for a family (which is appropriately emphasized again in Generations, and Picard S3) , and Jake's deep, deep love for his father.
The Inner Light, Duet, and The Visitor are my favorite Trek episodes of all time.
@@malachai1381also some of the most beautiful musical compositions composed for the franchise ever.
Get ahold of the 30th Anniversary music album. Orchestral Suite for The Inner Light, and the orchestral theme for The Visitor are both featured.
I was always a fan of the maquis storylines, particularly when Gul Dukat was involved. One of the best villians? ever.
DS9 makes me so nostalgic. Pre 9/11. Pre cellphone. Pre social media. In 99 or 2000, they ran reruns in my local market every night after Letterman. I watched every episode multiple times, like a nightly bed time story.
The writing on this show was incredible.
The Chad DS9 vs the Virgin Voyager.
This world doesn't deserve the awesomeness that is Avery Brooks.
The best StarTrek we've ever gotten (IMO!) up there with Wrath of Kahn and Search for Spock. Way ahead of its time.
Search for Spock is impressive and criminally underrated. It should have been terrible, considering what it undos. But by some miracle we got a great movie. Stealing the Enterprise with Scotty trolling the Excelsior. Was glorious.
Hard time and the sword of Kahless were my favourite episodes of the season.
The one scene that really stuck with me was when Kor used Kahless' bat'leth as a fork to eat his food. I didn't understand why he did it at the time but now I see it as a perfect analogy of how studios are currently treating our beloved franchises, like Disney once it got its grubby little paws all over Lucasfilm.
Our man Bashir is awesome beyond belief. It is better James Bond than all if Daniel Craig
TOS had many of its best episodes in the first season, TNG has season 5, ENT has season 3, and Voyager has...scattered good episodes. But for my money, DS9 season 4 surpasses them all. I mean, the first two episodes are The Way of the Warrior and The Visitor, two of the very best in all of Star Trek. You get O'Brien's best episode in Hard Time. The Quickening has a case for being the best Bashir episode. And some of the best Ferengi episodes in Little Green Men and Body Parts (which has my favorite ending of the entire series). Not to mention the perfect Odo and Quark moment from Crossfire. And there's so much more.
I dunno. Magnificent Ferengi in later seasons (I forget which) is also absolutely phenomenal as a Ferengi episode. As is the episode where Quark pulls a Mrs Doubtfire.
A friend of mine and fellow ST fan and had a conversation about this. My conclusion was "this was where DS9 officially became the fucking 'Worf and Martok Happy Bloodbath Funtime Show.' LOL Absolutely right about the Klingons here.
DS9 was the first Star Trek Series I watched in its entirety, and it will always be my favorite. I loved everything from the machiavellian machinations of the Cardassians, to the doofy exploits of the bumbling Ferengi (which has the same energy as Bulk and Skull, the bullies from Mighy Morphin' Power Rangers). In retrospect, I shouldn't have started on DS9, since after watching it, it was glaringly obvious how inferior all the other series were. It took me over a year to get through Voyager, because I just kept putting it off lol.
I wonder if Rene Auberjonois and Armin Shimmerman ever talked about how they ended playing the exact same character later in their careers. Both of these characters even being similar to their DS9 characters. Rene's more than Armin's.
Rom does alright in next season's episode "The Assignment", although it's Keiko's character that fit it perfectly.
Other than that though three words: Self-replicating mines (maybe that's just two words).
DS9 went from really good to great. No caveats.
I'd like to see a quakelike shooter with DS9 like how Voyager did with Elite Force.
Imagine if it had that rifle that can see and shoot through walls. How fun, and yet annoying would that be.
@@kri249yes that rifle is op. Any thing to kill gamma quadrant Klingons
Or O'Brien vs Cardies
Nice breakdown but I didn't see Colm Meaney in your credits. Remember: No O'Brien, No DS9.
The way Worf is seamlessly folded into the already established and ongoing DS9 saga without missing a beat is masterful. I've made the argument to friends that Worf feels more like he belongs in the more morally ambiguous world of DS9, than he does as the rulebook loving officious security chief aboard the Federation flagship, and if he'd joined the show at the start alongside O'Brien, it would still have been a perfect fit.
I missed this series. Not enough to PAY for it on a 3rd party website, but still it's nice to see something on TH-cam.
I just stream on websites.
IMO, DS9 was THE best Trek series because it WASN'T all unicorns and rainbows and how perfect the Federation is. It was raw, gritty, real & things didn't always go well, but they persevered and ultimately won. Sisko is a badass. Garak is the best character in Trek - period. And I would argue that ITPM (ok, S6) may be the best episode of not just DS9, not just Trek, but of Television.
Except most of the issues are complete bullshit. You have unlimited free energy and replicators to replicate everything. Like, holy shit. What fucking problems can you idiots have? You wanted to live on the frontier, now you do, and EVERYTHING you need or want can be replicated.
I bet you found it believable when Romulus blew up, and the romulans STAR EMPIRE needed help to relocate people from one planet around one star in a STAR EMPIRE
After years of loving TNG the most... I re-watched Deep Space 9. I love this show.
Way of the Warrior, my favorite episode, it had everything in 1.
As to Rejoined - I can say you could argue the merits of the idea of pining for what might have been... but that's what it is. And what it obviously stayed afterward. In the argument Avery made (which don't get me wrong his views are insightful and respectful to the core of the issue, as fuck) wherein they had been seperated for 150 years... the KEY point IS that they were seperated for 150 years. In all of that time, they would exceptionally likely have grown down any number of varied paths, as distinctly different people to who they'd been that the two of them fell individually in love with at the start. Even IF you could reconnect; there's no guarantee that who either of them became would at all gel with who the other was now. Compared to who they'd been at the time they were together. It's a concept of two ships passing, and ne'er to truly meet the same again. Argue the physical chemistry in that kiss for closure all you like (It's Terry Feral and depending on views, she could have at that time had chemistry with a doorknob as far as I'm concerned) but the core of the issue being they are fundamentally different people. At different stages in their lives. Arguing that they could have gotten together again by different choices is the same one that Stephanie Myers presented in Twilight. Wherein Juliet could and perhaps should have chosen Paris instead of Romeo. It doesn't matter, and it's circular to the point of moronic to try to make that argument. She didn't and she never would. That's the point in "Star-Crossed." [Yes, I realize I just admitted I read Twilight. No, I'm not proud of it, and I do in fact think it hurt my brain...]
It doesn't matter how well shot, well directed or well intended the episode might have been: The crux of it did not need to happen - and if Dax was previously involved on the station, you'd think that's a complication she would just ignore for what it could cost. But maybe that's just me.
I just finished this season last night, and "Hard Time" actually made me cry.
I love the DS9 content, it makes my favourite Trek even better.
If a writers strike happened during DS9, people would have given a shit
Excellent top picks Gents! I can't think of better people to review my favorite Trek series. Every DS9 drop from this channel is total hype and instant click from me!
And as good as it is not a single episode has what the amazing Season 5 premier has: *Klingon Sisko*
it also has the 2nd best Gowron moment
And one of the most memeable lines EVER: Glory to you, and your hoooooouuuuuuse.
DS9 was a great series, so was Babylon 5.
It's hard to pick which show between the two I love the most. I feel like the production quality of DS9 was way better...however, something about Babylon 5 was magical. Can't put my finger on it.
@@wifegrantyeah thats probably true.
The Quickening was the first episode I ever watched of the show and it drew me in. What an introduction for me
Avery Brooks makes the show. I’m watching “Spenser for Hire” and “A Man Called Hawk”. I could watch Brooks threaten punks, pontificate, or narrate the NOVA “Earthquake!” episode every day of the week.
DS9 never saw a corner. It was on a drag strip and dusted everybody.
I’ve been rewatching ds9 for the 3rd time recently, half way through season 3. Ds9 is so fucking good. Like every episode is fantastic. The way the show handles things like war, peace and religion, family and fatherhood (in a single father of a young son) and many other topics is fantastic. This show is one of the greatest (if not the greatest) show ever. I love it. This is my first time watching it as a single father, and the relationship of sisko and jake, and rom and nog hits different. Such great writing. It truly blows all new trek out of the water (and even most old trek, which I love).
I was confused when you guys went into Nana and Sidig, I was like "I don't remember an episode where they hooked up" only to slowly realize, oh you mean IRL. Well good for them!
That scene where Kurn was pointing the disrupter at his head, Worf Should've just Punched him in the face & went off on a rant "Oh so you've been stripped of your earthly possessions & titles so you're just going to lay down & die & let that dishonorable Galron Win!?!"
Too bad the big wigs didn't want to restore DS9. They transferred the film to videotape and did the effects and editing. On Netflix it didn't look good.
DS9 best Star Trek
Thanks for introducing this series to me. I watched TNG all the way through and had this on my list to watch but I never got around to it till you starting making vids for it. Matter of fact it's high time for a rewatch.
Reminded time and time again why Avery Brookes is a GOAT
Oh wow, Star Trek had a same-sex kiss. Didn't even hear about that (or remember seeing this episode) but be damm sure Chairman Kennedy and her Lucasfilm cronies wouldn't shut up about their same-sex kiss in Last Jedi...which they edited out for Chinese audiences of course. Avery really was a class act, sadly now an extinct breed in Hollyweird.
I'm know I'm going to enjoy this video before it starts
Worf has entered the chat.
Season 4 is when D9 thought they needed to fix the theme tune by adding the obnoxious synth pulse as a rhythmic backbone to what was originally a brilliant free form arrangement.
do my eyes deceive me? an updated Depths intro? lovely! what a way to start monday!
Wait, I didn’t think we were allowed nice things any more, how are we getting such depths goodness?
I didn’t say stop!
HELL yeah! This is my favorite series of yours, oddly enough.
I really need to watch through TNG and DS9 again.
I need to watch DS9. Not again, not rewatch, I just need to buckle down and watch the show. I have seen episodes and I've liked them all and loved the characters, but I've never taken the time to just sit down and watch.
do it, I don't think its possible to dislike it. the start is a little rough (like every trek show) but by the end its incredible.@@matthewschwer6048
Pluto TV has some great star trek channels
@@murdockberk8888 lmao im a pirate no way am i doing pay or ads.
season 2 into 3 is where it caught fire for me. When they introduced the Jem Hadar.
the dots over the o in razorfist were off center.
Doesn't detract from the greatness of this episode!!
I don't if you mentioned it in the individual reviews but I've thought the romantic relationship between Kira and Odo made less sense the more I thought about it. As a kid I found it believable but thinking more on how Odo is a liquid, shapeshifting entity, his falling in love with Kira seems rather odd. It would be like Sisko falling in love with and octopus.
A romance between Odo and Dax actually makes more sense as both are essentially 'timeless' beings and Jadzia's death and Enzi entry would have been more poignant due to the bar on reassociation and whether Enzi would be willing to forsake her own people as Odo did with his, even though it would condemn the symbiont to death and break Odo's 'heart' all over again. Kira would have been just fine paired off with Worf or even Damar (but not Dukat, as that would have been jumping the shark).
@@blitzerblazinoah6838 Kira and Damar would have been interesting...
I genuinely think this is the peak. Sure, there were some outstanding episodes yet to come, but as a season, this was the best in my humble opinion.
Great video. It takes me back to the good ol days.
Blue Beard: "Rejoined. We could've done better. We _should've_ done better."
Captain Fist: "Yeah. No fucking shit you should've! This episode sucks!"
Avery Brooks is an absolute loon, but Sisko is the best captain Star Trek ever had.
Straight facts
Luf me spase stashun. Luf me cappun sisko. Simple as.
Ate Cardies
@@tuskinradar8688Spoon on yer 'ead? Better off dead!
Jeffery Combs/Brunt was the best thing about Bar Association
completely agree DS9 is really good right off the bat!
Rom is Space Trudeau!
I can’t wait until you get to season 5, possibly my favorite season
Honestly I think DS9 turned the corner with Duet in season 1.
It felt like it was getting hand-me-down find-and-replace scripts from TNG until then. From then on it stopped feeling that way. That said, they were *good* hand-me-downs, mostly.
Hell yes, been waiting for some more Razor DS9 content.
Yooooo! He's back! Been missing the DS9 content you started.
Miss you doing all your "Depths of" on the old TH-cam brother.Either way,still great insight and breakdown of the best Trek.
I swear to God the first Star Trek related thing I've ever saw in my life was Worf getting his spine obliterated by a barrel.