Sonic on the Commodore 64!? - But does it work on Real Hardware?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- Ever wondered how well Sonic would run on the Commodore 64? Probably not as good as the Master System, right? Well, you may be pleasantly surprised! That's if all the Commodores can actually keep up!
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Looking out for the future
0:16 - Time to shop
1:07 - Keeping up with the Commodores
1:44 - Preparing the game
2:54 - Sonic Commodore 64 overview
5:06 - Using other means to initiate the game
6:15 - The PAL Breadbin
6:48 - From 0Hz to 60Hz
7:58 - Crumbling apart
9:05 - Making amends
10:12 - Doubling the Commodores
10:29 - Powering PAL
11:53 - The chosen one
13:15 - But does it work on real hardware?
14:00 - Final thoughts
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Title Intro animation by Bryan Salter: / bryansalter
RHS C64 Jingle by Mikkel Hastrup (encore): / encore64
Thumbnail by SoupyG: / soup_gamer
Special thanks to GerbilSoft and CalamityJames for their technical advice
SOURCES:
Sonic the Hedgehog V1.2 - csdb.dk/release/?id=212523
Sonic the Hedgehog for C64/128 + REU - www.lemon64.com/forum/viewtop...
ZoomFloppy - www.go4retro.com/products/zoo...
Sonic Floppy Disk Label & Sleeves - diychris.com/index.php/produc...
SD2IEC Info - www.thefuturewas8bit.com/sd2i...
Commodore 64 Repairs - www.mutant-caterpillar.co.uk/...
S-Video cable - www.retrocomputershack.com/
CMD SuperCPU Accelerator - wiki.preterhuman.net/CMD_Supe...
SuperCPU - www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/SuperCPU
Commodore PSU - www.c64psu.com/
Turbo Chameleon V2 - icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/produk...
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Sonic the Hedgehog Commodore 64 version - csdb.dk/release/?id=212523
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Impressive review, thanks for testing on real hardware instead of some emulator. Just imagine if this masterpiece had been available for the C64 back in the early 80s.
I mean I’m pretty sure Mario was on there but i think it was another underpowered computer.
Early 80's wouldn't be possible, the Commodore REU was introduced with the C128 in 1985. But in September 1985 Commodore also introduced the Amiga, so the C128 was doomed from the start.
@@gertachimrenel595 It's a good point, the game does rely on the REU for fast scrolling. I always forget how much the Amiga was ahead of it's time. Doing a good Sonic port for the Amiga should be no problem.
Cheers,
Jake
no, mario was on the commodore
it was a rom hack
hey,your vids have helped me during tough times,take as much as you need we will all be here when you come back.
Interesting to see that Sonic was randomly ported to the Commodore 64.
Don't pee on the floor, use the commodore!
don’t pee on the floor, use the commodore!
*LAAALAAALAALAALAAALAALAALAALAAAAAAAAAA*
I knew someone was going to do that
Don't pee on the floor, floor,
Use the commodore, dore,
Don't pee on the floor, floor,
Use the commodore, dore.
@@ashercd6487 thats the remix, not the original
also if someone tries to woosh me for doing something then Reverse card
@@Guillermo100 r/madlads
What a labour of... love? this video must have been! So many funny little nuances along the way!! Glad I was able to offer some assistance with it :)
So you're the one who helped RHS with the Breadbin models of the Commodore 64! Nice!
this guy was my literal childhood, it’s sad to see he’s gone from TH-cam, I’ll miss you RHS 😢
@@30THMAN. yeah I saw, I’m glad he’s doing alright kind of
@@funnyrobot42 at least we have 600 videos of content to watch
@@wisesthacesha2791 true
@@30THMAN. But does he make videos?
@@konakona8008 nope , hes just active on twitter , thats all
To be honest, third party solutions are a must nowadays for most commodore endeavours. old PSU's fail, as you saw some of the official stuff was expensive as hell, and we need to also use SD solutions for the best results.
Oh and a tip about the turbo chameleon v2: it does more than C64 because you can flash extra cores to it. Mega Drive and Master System are among the supported ones but you may run into button limitations without a ps/2 keyboard instead of a controller. and yes, i do know the turbo chameleon's output is a little blurry so it's not your setup.
going purest is for the upper classes - not the masses (didn't Jack have something to say about that?)
i kinda want to see a "but does it work on the commodore 64" series with mega drive/sms hacks now
I just find it amusing that PAL users FINALLY come out on top and have the straightforward, streamlined experience for once in this series, whereas NTSC has to put more legwork in this time. Love your work Red, this was a joy to finally see!
You actually see that a lot in Commodore machines -- PAL (50Hz) timing leaves more time between each screen scan, meaning you have more time to write new stuff into the display buffer each frame.
This is actually true in most consoles but it doesn't come up much because most of the games are developed in NTSC (America/Japan), then moved to PAL. The Commodore machines (especially the Amiga) were more popular in PAL territories, especially Europe, so there's a bunch of games that take advantage of all that extra time between frames. Many of those games and demos basically couldn't be done in NTSC at all.
This would be why there so much screen tearing happening here -- there's just not enough time to update game logic and DMA all the new graphics into position in time.
@@birdrun4246 This was an utterly fascinating read-- thanks for laying it out! I'm not much of a technical sort, and while I know PAL and NTSC have a 10Hz difference (and that it does make a LOT of difference in many areas), I had no idea that Commodore machines were more routinely optimized for PAL territories.
May I ask (if you happen to know) if that's why NTSC C64 Sonic 1 was outpacing its Master System counterpart, because it is trying to keep pace with its 60Hz requirements and struggling to do so, thus overcompensating and causing the screen tearing at the same time?
@@curly_girly19 The screen tearing in NTSC is almost certainly caused by the game not having enough time between frames to update as much of the screen as it needs to (due to the shorter VBLANK time in NTSC).
I don't know why the C64 version is running faster, I'd need to do some deep research to figure that out. It's possible that the C64 is producing a marginally faster video clock than the Master System -- these things are not exact, after all, and game logic is tied in lockstep to the video refresh. It might just be oddness in how the port handles timing or a slight change to how the physics works, too.
@@birdrun4246 I knew it was a long shot as to whether you knew the exact reason why the C64 version was overclocking compared to the Master System, but thank you for taking the time out to reply anyway. There are so many possibilities and they're all so fascinating in their own ways- whether it's a spec of the hardware or just a quirk present within the port.
I really appreciate you explaining this all so thoroughly. :)
For all intents and purposes, it works on real hardware around the board for me and I'm sure most people in the space. I think the question "Does it work on _period correct_ hardware" probably means a lot more here to the userbase. The Commodore 64 is a general purpose computer, not a console, and beyond the Apple space, generally you don't get a majority of the base being die-hard purists like you would with a Nintendo or SEGA contemporaneous system, and generally care more about period correct things than pure things. Being an IBM PC collector myself, I'd be hard pressed to find someone that'd claim a game made for an XT didn't "run on real hardware" because one of the binaries only ran with the slightly expanded V20 instruction set or needed an EGA card with more memory than anything IBM ever offered. It's just a different set of values.
6:35 -- That is, no joke, the SHARPEST* looking Composite signal I have ever seen captured.
*(Well-defined pixels, not oversharpened or blurry.)
Indeed,i have to pinch myself.
Imagine this quality back in those days, i dare to say this is even mire impressive then any amiga game.
Well done
Wow, Sonic 1 Mater System actually looks like more fun on the C64. That's really cool! Loved the video btw, always a fun time watching!
"Mater System" Garrulous64 did a typo.
Mater in sonic 1 SMS when?
Mater system
I loved Mater from the Cars Movie
Sonic the Mater from Cars
Given the limitations of the hardware, even when using an accelerator, this is pure magic, tbh.
I'm always extremely impressed, how far such geniuses actually can go...
So *that's* what you needed them repaired for! Looks like a pretty good use to me :)
The Commodore 128 CPU can run at 2MHz but the VIC-II can't, so the C128 still runs C64 stuff at the same speed as a regular C64. The SuperCPU is a much faster beast and runs differently so provides a large speed increase.
Great video, though!
Sonic runs 2Mhz in the screen border, so can benefit from C128 speedup. However, the REU doesn't work reliably in 2MHz mode (this is documented in the manual), yet Sonic still accesses the REU in 2MHz mode. As a result, it is can be unstable on the C128. It seems wether your C128 can run in accelerated mode is mainly a matter of luck.
That chocolate bar makes me want to impulsively hire you to repair something even though I have nothing to get repaired
Oh btw, this was supposedly rewritten line for line, which is extremely impressive
...I like how speeding up the video to 1.25x speed, the music of the port have the same speed as the originals.
Sonic 1 on the Master System, but it's on a C64... what a nice video! I wish I had a C64, too. And yes, the colours are amazing
I dunno how the hell you keep making this good content with such a simple concept. You have the British Stamp of Approval.
He hasn’t uploaded in a year
@@Chilidogs589check the community tab
he divorced
Just seeing you respond to comments brings me peace that you are ok and such I can wait for as long as possible for the next episode of bdiworh :3
I love how the intro sounds more old(like as C64) hahaha
Pd: 4:05 I note that lol
Now, for someone to do the math... jokes aside, yeah, this was worth the wait. Good job, man!
Don't pee on the floor, use the Commodore 64!
🤣🤣🤣🥲🤣🤣🤣
solid advice ig
Yeah
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That was an unexpected treat. Always love to see 8-bit Sonic 1 get some much deserved love
Thank you for spending the money to test this. Saved me some hardware purchases my own wife would have also flipped out over.
This dude deserves more likes and subscribers. I mean, look at how much money he's spending!
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I have NOT forgotten about BDIWORH, and the next video will be a Mario hardware video too. With this video, I’m trying something short and sweet, seeing I see on TH-cam recently shorter videos seem to get people’s attention. STTP will not just be hardware related, but it could be short reviews, information on how I connect my consoles up for recording, and I’m debating Sonic news too but not sure on that part yet. Anyway, it would mean a lot if you liked this video to show if you want to see more STTP. Thanks for reading! 😊
It's been a while because you're really great at this. C64 Version is quite amazing.
You combined a genuine love for our little blue buddy with an honest critique. Nice work! I got the ntsc / pal switchable breadbin 64, turbo chameleon v2, 1541uII+, zoom Floppy, ramboard, burst nibbler, dolphinDOS, JiffyDOS, sidFx, pi1541, sd2iec, MMC64, RRNET, 1541 w/ track display, device ID switches, reset, ray Carlson power supplies, you get the picture: an investment. Aaaand for the life of me I can’t get sonic running here.
I don't think I've ever heard of any commodore users caring about using well-made third party accessories before, it's just considered required to use the commodore line effectively nowadays.
Also, by your logic, both of the systems you got repaired would automatically give the game the partial rating to the game, since it's pretty unlikely that they were fixed with original c64 parts, it is alot safer, cost-effective, and generally better overall to fix old c64 systems with off the shelf, third party parts. Basically, the idea that third party items aren't real hardware, is a disservice to the idea of many fans preservation attempts.
I asked the modder if the repairs would be using genuine parts from other Commodores in which they said yes. So, in theory, it's all still genuine.
In theory yes, in practice it's more of a gray area, still good to know you asked that question in the first place.
@@UltimateExplosiveGaming I mean said third party parts are usually just the same Commodore bought back in the day to make them.
Many of the chips are I thing still produced.
@@UltimateExplosiveGaming Basically every parts of the C64 are still produced nowadays, except the SID chip (the sound card). It uses almost exclusively off-the-shelf parts, that's one of the reason why it was so cheap to produce.
Nice intro, didn’t expect that. And those sleeves for the floppy disks are really cool!
This video was worth the wait. (and the cost) Great video! :)
Loved the retro-remixed intro too
I love how diligent you are to getting everything for a video!
redhotsonic: Shocked Face.
Also redhotsonic: "No."
RHS... please come back... we miss you...
Is that a peep show reference with the "Excellent shopping"? Great video as always thanks!
Full of great humorous writing and detailed reviewing as usual.
Absolutely enjoyed it. And the C64 style intro. Touché.
I just got a C64 again (had one as a girl) and had no idea Sonic had a port on this thing. I can agree with you on the prices cause holy crap these things are expensive! I got EXTREEEEMELY lucky with my breadbox w/ floppy combo I found and snagged! (Only 125!)
About freaking time! Amazing video RHS!
God, all gripes about how much this cost you aside, the fact that some absolute madman out there decided to make a 1:1 port of the Master System version of Sonic 1 to the C64 is truly a delight, from a technical standpoint.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go pick my jaw up off the floor after being so awestruck.
Also reading "SONIC NEEDS AT LEAST 256 KB" got a chuckle out of me. Putting words in allcaps makes sentences so much more demanding.
@@FoxMan_FF SONIC DEMANDS THAT YOU GIVE HIM 256 OF YOUR KILOBYTES
@@adams3560 ah yes, the sequel to sonic forces,
sonic demands
@@generallyunimportant We don’t talk about that game, haha.
"If sonic 2 was to surface, I'll be ready"
. . . Watch it come out for the Amiga
RHS will end up poor at that point.
Yes, I love the videos. Fun fact: sonic 1 was going to come out on the Commodore 64/128 put was canceled
Other ports of Sonic 1 got cancelled aswell.
@@Eggdipie yep
It was going to be ported to the Commodore Amiga too, but for some reason it got cancelled.
Kind of a shame really, would've looked beyond nice with the bitmapped graphics and sample-based music.
commodore commodore 64
man, your content still holds up after this long. keep up the good content! 😼
Great music intro RedHotSonic
Wasn't expecting that C64 styled theme intro, pretty good video!
Redhotsonic we need you back you haven't post for 1 year 😢 pls come back
Divorce, SEE community post
@@Angel-DJ-GamingI understand that but 1 year?
@@ThatExistingGermanGuy he has a daughter
@@Angel-DJ-Gaming and? DanTDM also has a child
@@ThatExistingGermanGuy bruh you have no soul man, just go see his community post or ask him then, satan.
Hope your doing good. Cant wait for the next video!
I'm genuinely stunned! It looks stellar!
Freaking Loved The 8-Bit Intro Jingle
Imagina um port desse na época.
ent skksks
(50 years later)
“Can we run sonic on 1-bit 1-dimensional software”
That's some strange fate shit right there... Was bored looking for vidoes, thought you had not put one up for a while so checked your channel, and BAM, new video just 30 minutes ago 👌
Cool 8-bit music for the intro!
This is a really good effort.
It's impressive that everyone wants Sonic to be in every videogame console, and it's pretty cool!
Great review and I appreciate the work you had to do to make this video possible. I suppose I'm in the category of 'retro-modern games is ok using modern hardware'. I'm from the States. I've been with the C64 since 1984 (yes, I'm old), and even back then I had used hardware that was even created by our local university. Some college kids wanted to make cartridges for memory address hacking, copy protection cracking, and others crazy things I acquired through my big brother (since I didn't turn 13 until 1989).
God it really has been a year. Hope you're doing well RHS.
I like how the intro was changed to match the Commodore sounds
I didn’t know about this port! Very cool :)
Thanks for making my 9 hour car ride WAY BETTER! Shoutouts!
I love how the music for the intro is Commodore 64 styled
Nice one. I never knew this sonic existed until now
I hope you're doing well, welcome back.
This CAN be found at TimeStamp: 1:06.
Man I miss ur vids. Take as much time as you need to get back. Things may be tough but it’s not gonna get any worse. Hope everything goes well for u.
When you saw the price of the Commodore 64 I felt that so hard...
Great video!
Another great video my man 😄
Looking at this in 2023 gives me nostalgia
Don't pee on the floor, USE THE COMMODORE
This goes on the list for stuff to take back with me in a time machine..
Thank god you’re back
Thanks for the subtitles men.
4:02 The Most Signpost-sync Bounce Pad Epilepsy-End SFX I Seen And Heard
Definitely worth the wait👍
Very impressive ! Congratulations on your commodore collection ! Maybe it will turn into cars in some parallel universe xD
That's AMAZING!
1:38 that sounds awesome °_°
That final result statement was a mouthful. Yeesh.
Even before I hit play, I had a feeling there was going to be a few headaches on getting the C64 running properly. At least you got it working, albeit with modern accessories.
You were the chosen one! It was said that you would run the game properly, not with bugs. Bring us a yes to the question, not leave it as a partially.
Nice retro themed intro!
You actually made interested in Tech stuff
I kept an eye on this port and played it immediately when it was released, Sonic MS being my first Sonic experience way back when and it blew me away. Very very impressive port. Sonic MS deserves more love. Bridge and Jungle ftw
Thank you Mrs redhotsonic for uploading this video I hope he didn't suffer too badly
10:46
That 'guh'.
I can't 🤣
2:40
...to RHS' wallet.
I had a feeling this would be the most expensive BDIWORH video since the Zippy episode.
Love the palette in the C64 palette tho, the music also sounds fantastic
I have been waiting for this
no you havent its been out for 7 months
Yeah lol
I hope you start posting again. I miss you’re great videos.😢
hello Redhotsonic! I Am writing to wish you doing well! knowing what is going on with your life the past one year and how difficult and time consuming these videos are to make I genuinely hope you are doing well! and that I hope that whatever may come in the future that I am going to wait patiently for it! take care and best of wishes from a tech nerd and fan of your content!
That widescreen monitor, nice.
Cool YT just recommended this channel to me, YT has been on a roll with great channel recommendations this past week. +1ike & of course a sub.
Worth the wait.
I truly miss you brother 💓
I hope that you are fine. I really love your videos.
I barely understand anything that was explained in this video, but it was still fun to watch.
In fact since the Commodore 64 uses floppy disks, I was also curious if hackers might make a Famicom Disk System port of Sonic as well (since the FDS uses floppy disks too), and even include some enhanced audio too, that’ll be incredible if hackers manage to do this.
The amount of Sonic ports is very impressive actually.
Now let’s also imagine people making a TurboGrafx-16/PC-Engine, Amiga, DOS or maybe even PlayStation 1, even though the latter is mainly a 3D system but hey, they could try and make a new engine for the game instead of emulating it. Lol
Once you're on Amiga, you need hardware-specific code for everything but the 16-bit version is on the table.
There are already Sonic ports for NES, so it's definitely doable.
@@vytah Yeah I know that, but what I mean is on the Famicom Disk System, and see how much differences it can get than NES.
Example, FDS has some better audio than NES and normal Famicom, meaning if it got an FDS port, maybe it could include enhanced audio too. That’s what I’m saying.
i remember sonic 1 blast dx ( a sonic 1 genesis rom hack) has a engine config menu that has DOS as a playable mode
it just swaps the color pallete and makes some audio modification (aka 1)
10:47 that noise got me xd
i feel actually this guy kinda cool cuz he says the games problems, his experiences, and then later moving to the last question, if it does work on real hardware
ITS VERYY COOL
Come back please, the world needs You, VörösForróSonic!
loved the sid intro lol
2:26 as someone who never had a commodore 64 I only did a whistling of Vice City theme xD (the part of the intro where the C64 is booted)
I've seen this game for sale from marketplaces selling other Commodore stuff. Nice to see that I'll have to proceed with caution in the realm of my NTSC machines...
i never knew Sonic 1 could be ported on the C64, well it's not hard to port the blue blur in today's standards. now i could finally listen to the SID chip soundtrack