What's the Deal with Orville by Gibson Guitars? | 1989 ObG Les Paul Custom Wine Red | Review + Demo
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0:22 - Orville by Gibson History
2:48 - Why Is It Called Orville?
3:31 - Orville Tiers
5:05 - Orville Models
6:05 - Inside Look
17:16 - Tone Demo
20:07 - Final Thoughts
23:56 - Condition
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I've been asked to check out an Orville Les Paul for a long time - however, it wasn't really a brand I was really too sure about sinking my own money into - however, a fan of the show purchased this guitar for his son for Christmas and wanted to get my opinion of it. His son had a p90 equipped Gibson and he wanted to get him something a little different for him Humbucker equipped guitar.
These ObG guitars and other Japanese made 70s/80s/90s electric guitars do have quite a following. Sadly, this one wasn't my favorite, but I suspect that might have been due to some mods this guitar may or may not have received. It was fun learning about the history of Orville by Gibson guitars!
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What's the Deal with Orville by Gibson Guitars? | 1989 ObG Les Paul Custom Wine Red | Review + Demo
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I saw one of these at a pawn shop like 25 years ago, and I thought it was a counterfeit. Stupid me.
Why would they put a different brand name on the headstock if it's counterfeit
imax digital pretty sure he just meant he thought it was a knock-off
Most of us knew what he meant but there's always one...
Hindsight is a wonderful thing eh? I feel bad for yer.
counterfeit 25 years ago? it wasn't a thing 25 years ago,there were lawsuit guitars but definitely no counterfiets
I own an Orville (not by Gibson) LP Custom and I'm pretty happy with it. The sustain is unreal. I've modded it significantly - SD pickups, bigger pots, TUSQ nut, sanded neck - but I think that's what these are best for. I do wish I had an ebony fretboard but that's my only complaint. Steal for roughly $500. Good luck to anyone looking to pick one up.
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This is a great review. Thank you so much. I own and have owned a few ObG guitars, and I have to say all of them are outstanding. At the same time, we all know how different two guitars even from the very same run can feel and sound. So it is next to impossible to judge a brand by picking out just one guitar. On the other hand I find it legit to do such an in depth review. Because I also think every time hype is involved, in come the fan boys. And they do worship their saviour no matter what. So thanks again for this as objective as it gets review of one of my favorite brands based on one guitar 🙃
To share my personal experiences: I owned (now sold) a ES 335. I bought it maybe 7 or 8 years ago and sold it half a year ago. I almost could not let it go, but I had to: I needed to refinance an original Gibson ES 335 I had bought 2 years ago. A guy who was interested in buying it came by my house, tested it and was almost, but not quite convinced. He wanted to check out other guitars first before spending this kind of cash. Since both he and his wife seemed honest persons I offered him to take the guitar to a huge guitar store to compare it to their stock. He came back saying that, after testing tons of guitars, all between I think he said 4-7k€, the clerk from the shop said: well, I hate to say it, but compared to all the guitars tested, you should go with the ObG." On his way back to my place he found yet another one that he finally decided on buying. But given this information, I felt really happy. Now, as Imentioned earlier: I had this original 70s ES 335. and when you plugged that one in, doing a one on one comparisson, the Original Gibson made the Orville sound like some cheapo. Incredible. Now maybe that comparisson is not fair, and I paid a lot! more for the Gibson than I did for the ObG. But I guess this just states the over all quality of even 70s Gibsons compared to their newer instruments.
I own (and will not sell) 2 more ObGs: a Firebird V, and a Thunderbird IV. They both have their issues. But: the sound and feel of both of them is just so good. So I absolutely can recommend trying one out if you get a chance. Plus, like the Gibsons, the ObGs go up in value year after year.
A FUN NOTE: Joe Perry of Aerosmith played many a show using an Orville by Gibson Les Paul!
@@mC_DiDiDiDiDi no,they arent....an orville is not better than a gibson
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 yeah, but not every USA Gibson had proper QC - that`s the point
@@modestoney1577 there great gits
@@scottykingdavid of course there are. from the US as well as from Japan.
I just bought a 91 Custom just like this. It absolutely rocks. I haven’t checked what pups are in it but they scream. It is definitely better than any Gibson I’ve owned. I must say every Gibson I’ve bought (new) has sounded great but has had major issues. This Orville By Gibson is a Killer.
Great breakdown!
I have 3 Burny LPC one black beauty MIJ and 2 others made in China but i absolutely love all of them next is an Orville by Gibson then an early Greco MIJ finally a MIA Gibson Les Paul Gold Top with P90s
There's an alternate timeline where its "gibson by orville" instead
@@IrisGalaxis fender by squier
Nice profile picture
That's the timeline I've just been visiting. Orville was left-handed and so am I, making it a nice visit.
I'm sure you can imagine a "Fender by Fender" alternate time-line, so let me challenge you here.
I was thinking about Orville Gibson and Gibson Guitars and Jimi Hendrix and Fender Stratocasters.
Can you imagine taking the best qualities of a 1957 Gibson Les Paul and a 1964 Fender Stratocaster,
and building one guitar? I just did that, using a mail-order guitar, still doing some decorative finishing.
See if you agree.
I saw Jimi Hendrix, got a '64 Stratocaster in 1970, sawed the righty scallop and put a humbucker on it.
Stratocaster body shape, Stratocaster tremolo unit, Gibson neck, three tuners per side, Gibson inlays.
A smaller pick-guard, looking centered, body silhouette, ending before the tremolo plate,
has a big Gibson humbucker at the neck with middle and bridge Fender single coils.
The Gibson toggle switch is for the humbucker and the two single coils wired on at the same time.
All pickups are aligned, no slanted pickup. Moving the pickup forward allows a bigger picking space.
It was Jaco Pastorius who used the bridge pickup on full so he could get finger scratch sounds,
and no electric guitar has been made that accented this use of the bridge pickup. When the bridge
pickup is moved forward it doesn't need to be slanted to lose extraneous treble sounds. It all adds up.
The guitar cord input is on the side of the body, Gibson style. One volume knob, Gibson style.
There is a G-B-E fret on the middle pickup for fourth octave notes.
This is a musical instrument with an electric signal, one for rhythm, for lead, all on for finger-picking.
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Nick E. Just a choice of first or last name. Probably 50/50 across multiverses
Parallel universe
I own one bueatiful guitars , it's a Japan Gibson, they were doing so good that if were to sell in the USA , the USA model's would sell much less . I love mine , it's a keeper and going up in value too.
The orvilles without long tenons where made by terada, only fujigen did make les paul guitars with long tenon and not only for gibson but also burny. The difference between orville by gibson and ”orville” where the price, nitro, frete edge binding and gibson classic 57 pickups. The long or short tenon where i both ”by gibson” and cheaper ”orvilles”
Great review.
It's a great alternate vibe.
Great vid! These always come up in my reverb searches so it’s great to learn more about them.
I just looked on eBay and reverb the Orville LPs sell for $1000-$1500 so not really a cheaper option lmao
I remember that Orville ebony acoustic with the butterfly on the soundboard.
I Love your videos and I appreciate you taking the time to make these videos for us subscribers Thanks again friend!
He's currently buried at Morningside Cemetery in my hometown. He has the smallest most humble ground stone beside his wife.
@Remley, It's in Malone, NY right next to his town of birth. There I changed my thumbnail pic to his gravestone so you can see how modest it really is. It's messed up what the company did to Orville. The investors he trusted and allowed to buy into his business wanted to oust him the moment they bought in. And they got their wishes and basically booted Orville to the curb. It's messed up but the Gibson company is not what Orville imagined.
@@wiseguy9202 thanks for the gravestone pic!
But his name has been carved in history. His headstone is at the top of every Gibson guitar.
Great video!
I absolutely want one of these. I'm off to zenmarket right now....
Was Orville Gibsons entry level Squier line or were they just as good as Gibsons but made in their Japan factory?
I can tell there was a thrasher skateboard magazine sticker on that backplate at one point haha
Mattatron 9666 haha fellow skater and musician
Likewise
Awesome job Austin!!! Thank you so much!
I briefly owned a wine red Orville by Gibson LP Custom that looked very similar to the model in this video. Awesome guitar. Paid $900 USD in 2004(ish). It was a late 80’s model and showed its age beautifully, its gold hardware was wonderfully worn and the neck was well played but in very good condition. It had Gibson US-made pick ups and a typical LP Custom sound: thick as a brick, responsive and dark. I made some excellent recordings with it that still sound great. Unfortunately it was stolen from me in 2006. I still dream of it! Great video, thanks Trogly
the wizard back art work
Going up in value since this video . Do the research.
god I love your videoes man! I always get so excited when you post new videoes
I’m a new subscriber and have always had an interest in guitars and when I found your channel I was pleasantly surprised by all the information you provide and how you do the unboxing lol and the reviews . I wanna get into collecting and selling Les Paul’s and found your channel provides the best info for doing so . Long story short keep up the good work you are doing a great job.
That , was a hardcore and super thorough job you did on this, Thanks.
Great info on the history of those guitars!
Quite a thorough run through mate. Good job
Nice breakdown of info. Thanks a lot
The vintage japan, fugi jen factory made epiphone elitist les pauls are nice too! I even came across one Fuji jen factory les paul with their name on it in big cursive letters it say FNG on the headstock. Pretty nice lookin too. Some of these japan made les pauls have all gibson components and apointments. Thick solid maple caps some of which look book matched. ABR-1 bridges, long neck tenons like you said. Great feature! Tokai love rock les paul another good japan made i have always wanted one of those! Even the Korean made tokai's are nice 2004-2005 but japan of course being the best. They are now made in china ughh. I kinda want to get an epiphone coronet someday too! Those are pretty nice! Thanks for sharing trogly!
I had two Orville LP Customs, both ink stamped, both had long neck tenons. I believe all Orville LPs have long neck tenons, the only difference to the "by Gibson" versions is the original Gibson pickups. Not sure about the finish, mine had both poly finishes.
Great information. I really enjoy the lesson on what to look for.
Great thorough review. Thanks
Yeah i just did a search. If you want one that actually says Orville by Gibson, youre looking at ATLEAST 1200 bucks used.
Very nice instrument! Thanks for the review!
These are the very best , aside from the USA models. Out there .
Thanks for sharing I always wondered about these and the burneys
I’m actually pretty disappointed they tore down the gibson facility in Chicago
thank you for all the time you do for us!!!!
“By Gibson” isn’t centered because it’s a signature. Which is generally offset. Think pretty much any autograph you’ve seen.
Thanks for filling us in!!!
I have collected and used Orville by Gibson ,Tokai etc and the best workhorse was my Orville by Gibson 1988 as the one your showing here,I miss it so much!!!!
My 1988 Orville by Gibson Custom in Wine Red is my #1......just an awesome guitar.
Really cool that this channel is now branching out into new territories ☺
It is Gibson licensing to Japan. Orville was the original Gibson's first name. Similar in quality to the Epiphone Elitist line, now defunct.
I also have an Elititst Les Paul( epi)... Standard Plus, 59 burst look... plays really well... comparable to some friends gibby's would love to see a video on these and see the real worth. thanks, Cheers from Connecticut, usa
Very interesting and informative!
We call it Orbille by Gib オービルバイギブ made in Japan.
Nobody talks about Framus, but i have a Les Paul copy from them
Anyway, my Orville had a 10" radius fretboard and I refretted and re-radiused to 12", it's a beautiful guitar.
I enjoy the info in your vids.
Sweet guitar. My friend has an Orville by Gibson SG . Best SG I've ever played. In my 50 years of playing, I've played and owned a few.
Yes!!! Very interested in this episode. I saw the unboxing of this guitar and was very curious at the mentioning of the 'Japanese feel' as a happy owner of a MIJ les paul, I have definitely been waiting for this episode!!
Great review pal
Great vid, and thank you for covering Orville guitars! I have a '97 Orville black LP Custom with ebony 'board and it's one of my favourite feeling guitars to play. It has a '57 classic in the neck and Burstbucker 2 in the bridge, so sounds great too!
Late reply, but I have a Feb ‘98 black Custom with an ebony board. Not a “by Gibson,” and no nitro, but it is and all mahogany body with a long tenon neck, so a pretty solid attempt at a correct ‘57
There’s an Orville by Gibson J160-E as well.
And a J200.... I have one!
Would love you to review a Navigator or Greco 1800 with the legendary dry Z pickups
I have been waiting for you to do something on these awesome semi well kept secrets. I have an 89 ObG Custom. Love it.
I keep seeing white Orville SG’s and SG Juniors on EBay
Had a Japanese 05 Gibson SG great guitar
Thanks for sharing the knowledge
What Les Paul snobs don't grasp is there is essentially no differences between the 195x era guitars and what are produced today. I would even say the ones made anywhere today use better materials and components than the 50s one. The 1958 Les Paul cost $330 during a time when the American average annual income was $5500 .
I had ‘57 Custom Reissue. Came with original Orville by Gibson hardcase and original tags etc. Very sought after. But I just couldn’t bond with it and moved it on.
Fantastic video, thank you for making it. That LPC is gorgeous! I have an Orville ES335 (not By Gibson) from the Terada factory. Mine came with 57 Classics and is faultless everywhere. I wish it had nitro rather than poly, but it ended my 35 year search for a 335, and cost about half of a Gibson
I wonder what the original price point on the Orville's was. All I remember is that when Fender introduced their Squier series in the early 1980s, Telecasters were EVERYwhere in my area. Even the local guitar snobs were using and, almost, endorsing them. Gibson had to counteract with something, and these definitely are beautiful. However, this is the first time I've heard of them. Thank you Trogly, once again.
75,000 yen. Around $750 in 1990s money or about 1500 dollars today, so Bob Murphy is right. Guitar models in Japan have the price in their model name a lot of the time. So rbx500 is equivalent to a $500 dollar bass, and ae1200 a $1200 archtop (when they were made, not counting inflation and currency exchange).
Oh Emm Gee, I love that colour scheme! Stunning-looking instrument! Very cool! Thank you for the video! :-)
That 59’ reissue one looks like Slash’s AFD guitar.
I own a burny les Paul copy and it is better than some Gibsons I have played
Best Strat BY FAR I ever owned was an Electra.
Is an amazing guitar!!! thanks for the video :)
I had a real nice early 70’s Ibanez set neck SG a few years ago and it was so much better than any early 70’s Gibson SG. Actually traded it for a late 80’s Edwards LP with a sustainer and that guitar was absolutely amazing quality and sound. Some of those Japanese manufacturers really got it right
Edwards LP are really good guitars , I have played them , but I really would love to get my hands on a Epi Japan , the only thing holding me back is the rosewood fretboard , just wish it was a bit darker .
That looks beautiful!
Orville seems to be maybe closer to a nice epiphone today if you don't mind the veneer over the maple.the epiphone for 799 with gibson pick ups is maybe a better deal unless you get the Orville for 500
The scratchy frets are not stainless steel-stainless steel is very smooth and lasts much longer than nickel-silver. I have several guitars with stainless-steel frets and I love the feel. Do they make the guitar brighter? I don’t think so, but the only way to tell would be to record the guitar, then replace the frets with nickel-silver and record it again. No. I’m not about to do that!
it might be a good idea to get your hands on a EPI Elitist... I have a standard model les paul but has 59 burst look... plays better than my buddies real gibson custom..
Thanks for the coverage and the research. I know several people that love their Orville Les Pauls. In spite of the hype, the fit, finish and sounds reminds me a lot of higher-end Epiphones.
I will disagree.... i have 3 Gibsons and 4 Epiphone Les Pauls and my 1988 Orville by Gibson Custom is closer to the Gibsons than the Epis
Thanks for playing it accoustically for us.I have a1980 Gibson L.P. Custom and it sounds awesome unplugged in a quite room,plays like a dream and rocks through my Marshall.
Hey man, I have a '94 Fujigen Les paul custom, not a By Gibson, and it has original ABR1 bridge and long tenon.
I own Japenese Fujigen LP Custom (full mahogany, ebony fretboard, Gotoh harware, Duncan PUs...) which is 1/3 price of Gibson LP Custom and no cut corners in the production. I feels good, just like Gibson, maybe slightly more precise in playing, better intonation.
Gorgeous Tobacco flamed one for sale near me. Guy has switched some parts out. $900 isnt too bad I reckon.
Make sure that it not a photo flame top. You can see easily from pictures as they all have the same flame pattern ☺
Keep in mind......It's an Epi.
My main Bass is a Tokai Jazz , I prefer it over my Fenders. The Japanese made great stuff in the late 70s early 80s
I've just brought a 94 fujigen les paul custom and should be here next week. Can't wait to play it.
This is basically a Gibson Player Series
I think it sounds pretty good, pretty balanced. I like it. The pickups can get better.
I have '93 LPC-57B - couldn't be happier. Ebony fingerboard, ABR-1, long neck tennon ... Gibson Classic 57s ... :)
Like Squier to Fender ? I like that Orville though.
Sounds good
I can't believe you haven't checked out the Gothic Explorer by Gibson, it's got Orville Gibson's photo on the back of the head stock, very cool. Keep up the good work.
And the SG and the Les Paul Gothic
Those guitars sure did shoot up in value they were the cheapest Gibson available when they were new
I heard of them but knew very little about them. I am now a little more informed thank you.
In my experiences, the Fujigen factory has always churned out great quality instruments. I have a few, including a 1997 Epiphone LP. As good or better than some Gibsons I own. No shame in Japan 🇯🇵!
@@blazer6248 In mid/late 1992 FujiGen obtained a part of the Orville by Gibson contract which ended in 1998 and from then on have made Epiphone Japan solid body guitars, some Gretsch models and their own branded FgN guitars.
The Epiphone elitist series was made there. I have a few of them and they are incredible guitars for the price I bought them for.
@@mattryan2489 ,Right on Bro, I have a Few Epi Elitist's Two SG Standard,and Two EB-3's. Just as Good if not better then Gibson made ones.In Fact that is the reason Gibson stopped making the Elitist series because that Gibson thought that they where better that their own brand.And they didn't like that. Yup.
The comments you did about the pickups and the reaction of your amp are exactly what I think about these Gibson original. I have a 89 Les Paul curly maple top (pre-historic) which came with bill lawrence pickups and found them being very compressed and often almost distorted, especially the bridge pickup. It is something common on many bill lawrence pickups in my experience. Great video btw
I don't usually like long reviews like this one but it was excellent. Very informative on the "Orville", great looking guitar. I thought Epiphones were the only licensed Les Paul.
Some of your info is wrong. I have a late 90's Fujigen made Orville (just Oville without the 'by Gibson') and it definitely has the long tenon neck joint. All the Orvilles made by Fujigen supposedly have the long tenon joint regardless of whether they're 'by Gibson' or not. Terada was the first Orville manufacturer and their LP's can have the long or short tenon whether they are 'by Gibson' or not. The wood work on mine is immaculate and tight, but it has MIJ electrics and pickups.
Orville makes me think of popcorn.
Popcorn is delicious 👍
very interesting great lot of info thanks
I have a 59 reissue Orville. Paid $550.00 back in the day...
To be honest I said this before but for people who haven't seen this comment or haven't heard this before there are a lot of Korean Les Paul customs that just happened to be really really good I own multiple Japanese and multiple Korean and honestly there's not a big difference between them at all as far as playability and I actually mean this I'm not one to put a bunch of stock into a name and then play it on stage like it's actually good I own Gibson's that do not play as well as some of my Japanese and Korean epiphones and I don't mean just one Gibson I mean multiple kitchens that I had do not play like so am I Japanese or Korean that's not to say all Korean epiphons are great but most of the customs I picked up are very cool and the lacquer finish is not a poly meaning if you have a white one like I do it does start to yellow a little
Just bought a 1991 Orville Firebird with a Maestro Vibrato - so hyped for it to show up from Japan!
The clean sound is just so good! I would have kept this one for sure
Something doesn't quite add up with this guitar: The hardware doesn't look like it has been played a lot at all yet the guitar was very likely refretted - SS frets were not really a thing yet in the 80s, particularly not in factory guitars and most certainly not in Japanese ones.
Besides, people seem to be very attracted by the "by Gibson" tangent and do not realize that this is more of a downside than a plus: It should be clear that Gibson made sure that the guitars are carefully spec'd to leave some distance to the USA imports while Greco, Fernandes and Tokai etc. were not restrained in their competition for the most accurate replicas at the most affordable prices. Your ObG's mix of vintage and contemporary features is a manifestation of that as well.. If you'd try A) an early 80s Burny RLC-60 (hopefully not modded to death) and B) compare that to an actual late 50s Custom.... I know this is likely not going to happen because it's almost equally hard to get hold of either of them but if you could you might be in for a surprise. The Burny is just the king of the Customs tho, if you want to see some even better Custom you need to get a Navigator, otherwise all of the aforementioned companies had stunning Standard replicas that do not suffer from any of the quirks you found on this ObG.