Why would they do this??? AP2000ti - REVIEW
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I think there are so very many headphones on the market now that are worthwhile, that a miss like this can just be forgotten. On the other hand, it would definitely be fun to see exactly how you tore something apart, what you found, and what you did, with pictures, video and explanation, and where you get materials.
Great review! I'd really love to see a video on how you'd mod it to fix the sibilance in particular.
"If you do have moderate hearing loss" is a helluva rec for a headphone, wow.
Treble murder factory from hell 😂😂😂
Im stealing that by the way. What a line 👍
I love this headphone and it's become one of my favorites. I mainly only listen to electronic music and most of it doesn't have any vocals but the ones that do don't sound sibilant to me. I've always disliked bright headphones and I hated the DT990 Pro I used to have but I love the AP2000ti and maybe now that I'm older I'm not as bothered by bright headphones as I once was.
I didnt find the AP2000TI all that bright either. Might be because Im used to my Grado RS2i and Denon AHD 9200. Also borrowed an Ultrasone 10 before and that thing was truly unbearably bright.
Have you balanced modded your 880 600ohms?
I have!
@@DMS3TV have you liking it? Was debating doing it to mine since the warranty runs out next month
Loved it till I broke them. You have to use a super low-temp iron. The driver contacts are VERY fragile.
@@DMS3TV thanks for the heads up and thats a shame! Love my 880s, deffo will try after my warranty haha, i have a USB powered iron for custom keyboard building so should do the trick.
@@RathOX Do you use solder with lead or how does it melt at low temps?
Can you do the Audio-Technica ATH-AWAS and Audio-Technica ATH-AWKT?
I wanna see these done
@@metal571 same here! 🙋
@@metal571 have tried the ADX5000? If so, what are your findings on this headphone?
The WP900 is great, try it. MSR7B also. Can you show us measurements of the Ti?
Msr7b sounds great
MSR7-B really are great. My first entrance into audiophile gear, after stepping up to DT 1990.
Implying measurements matter.
went from the msr7 to hifiman sundara. Sundara is better balanced but I miss the vocal clarity of the msr7s
I'll show you a good AT - it's called the A900X and I still have mine 🎧
Agreed. I use them as my daily driver and have a backup pair
@@dheisman21892 I sold mine once and bought it back lol, and have had it so long the pads started to crack, so got some new OEM ones from Japan. Now it lives in a case. A900X fans are obsessive lol
"This is an absolute treble murder factory from hell" 😂
@DMS
I think what you might be experiencing is a high level of audibly transparent performance. It is probably just a very revealing headphone. Accurate speakers and headphones reveal flaws in recordings and source material effortlessly. The more accurate the gear is, the worse it will sound with top notch gear if the recording itself is problematic. On that same token, inferior gear with glaring problems will have no place to hide with really good reference headphones....so the headphones will immediately highlight technical flaws in amplifiers, DACs, and CD players etc.
Therefore, I think the ATH-2000 ti must be an excellent headphone in terms of technical performance. I find your review to be a bit weird compared to what others are saying about it. Such a colossal failure from a reputable brand like AT at this price point seems highly unlikely. And if you listen to high end speakers that offer really accurate sound, you will find most of them to be bright- because what they used in the studio was not capable of rending the treble resolution that was already present. It gets covered up by other colorations...even though what they're using purports to be "reference grade."
I will ask audio technica about this headphone and what their intentions were when developing it for further clarification.
That can definitely be the case sometimes, but I can assure you in this case it's just a bad and extremely bright headphone. Not a case of the recording in this one. Its just heavily boosted in the treble. As much as I hate to reference measurements, they confirm it pretty heavily. Since making this video I got a proper measuring rig and is shows a 15db jump in treble.
Publications will write a glowing review of anything these days I feel like.
@@DMS3TV holy smokes. 15dB!! I subbed to your channel. It would be interesting for Amir at Audio Science Review to replicate your results. At any rate, I believe you. Thank you!!
@@DMS3TV or you're just an edgy kid you enjoys hating things LOL
@@madd5 ???? I'm nearly 30 and I call things out when they're beyond garbage. If you think this low-bar product is acceptable for even a quarter of it's price tag I'm sure there's a few men who would love to sell you beach front property in Arizona.
@@DMS3TVWell plenty of your colleagues rave a out this pair...
let me guess...
"they're all paid shills"
Z is probably going to love it.
He loves 99.9% of everything
You should try the ATH-WP900, much better.
i think it lies in line with other Audio Technica closed back tunings, like the M70x. A2000x, etc, AT's Titanium offerings is always pretty controversial.
I think the msr7 do a pretty decent job on its treble.
@@avishekghatak2176 yeah from forums it and the Balanced version does sound to be a pretty popular option for Treble lover for me I lmprefer the M70x, I need more and I feel its smoother too than MSR7.
@@MuhammadKharismawan interesting. I tried a m70x once (just got an impression not the full picture) and liked the the overall sound but the treble felt a little too harsh. To me, the msr7 is tamer with the treble but more forward upper mids. Maybe it’s also because it’s got a bit more mid bass as well. I also think the sound stage is wider on the msr7 (but I could be wrong).
@@avishekghatak2176 no for me the soundstage is deeper on the M70x that and probably specifically for me, my ear's sensitivity just fits the M70x better, because even tho yes the Treble is super high on the M70x, I feel its also flat ie for me it is hill-like in perceived freq response and not peaky.
Don't take me wrong tho I do like the MSR7, I prefer it over the MSR7 limited edition and Balance version, both of which I feel are intentionally made tamer and balanced than the original, why didn't I pick it then? Well its just I have other headphones so the unique presentation of the M70x appeal to me more, its just an acoustic music and detail king for under 250usd. I literally can't think of a more detailed headphone for that price. I mean it rival my Beyer T1 on that aspect alone and that's something.
Could you do frequency response measurement's with all headphones, it would make it easier to see where its going wrong or right, also allowing comparisons to other headphones that you recommend thanks.
Yes, mod please. Thanks always for your, sometimes hilarious, reviews.
Hmm, treble murder. Send them to Zeos. He’ll probably wind up testing the durability of the titanium then sell them in a yard sale. I wouldn’t bother modding them. As far as I can tell the WP900 uses a similar driver and is less expensive. I would describe the bass and mids as you described this headphone’s, but I don’t ever find the WP’s treble over the top. For reference, I find my DT1990 a bit sibilant at times.
I have the earsuit version, and hated it too, but now I have the mojo2 and am really loving this headphone by lowering the treble with -5b in the 3k region with the "lossless eq" feature. Mojo2 is a must buy if you are treble sensitive like me. But yeah... these audio technicas are definitely tuned by an old person (and by ear). I did actually get mild tinnitus around the time I bought these so maybe I've lost my hearing a bit since then. As a result I only really listen to smooth and dark sounding headphones these days, with hd 6xx being my favourite, and B&o h6 wired to my mojo2 when on the go. Now interested in the neumann ndh20 but they seem to be hated by many reviewers apart form Zeos who loves them. Side note - I think Zeos knows what he is talking about. He recommended the B&O h6 and yes, they need a bit of a bass boost in the eq (which he also pointed out to be fair...) but from there, they are tuned really nicely out of the box and have good isolation. I hope the neumanns are similar to them.
I wish there will be an abyss headphone between 800 and 1000 dollar 💵 tuned by you ❤
***rider
And a crisp overpriced cable to go along with it
I was just wondering DMS, what is your opinion on the AD500-900-1000x?
Almost no one ever reviews those but the few that do say they are awesome
100% Mod these, the drivers have tons of potential :)
Just brutally honest. I like it.
I heard "...absolute trainwreck" and immediately I hit the like button.
And yes, try and mod it.
get one of those ZMF POP filters, dont they target treble? If you ask them nicely if you can make a video on them they will send you some for sure
It would be cool to see you mod these headphones as they don’t get talked about much online
The intro really tells the viewer everything they need to know! "It's a train wreck". Love it!
Woah, a new challenger to 990 🤣
Hi DMS.. what do you think of Audio technica AD2000x? it's a classic but i can't seem to find recent reviews. How is it compared to newer headphones like LCD-2c, Sundara etc? Thanks
I think they've been created on purpose with that particular treble response - no need to change/spoil theis sound with some stupid mods. I don't think they were MENT to be modded.
I could see this compensating for some peoples hearing loss... 😂🤣😂 what a roast.
Damn.... just damn.
But thank you for clarifying how awesome it would be despite the sibilance factor.
Any success with EQ’ing? (Not that you should have to)
Thx again. Informative & insightful as always
Would you recommend HD560S or DT880 600ohms for analytical listening? I want to hear all the things- I want to hear things that don't exist
Maybe they are targeting for a market of people over 50s who like design, have no problems with the price and do not notice any wheezing due to hearing loss. :p
sounds like input was too hot? did ya go in from a headphone amp?
I think TUI by FKJ would be a great experience with these headphones
Speaking of AT, have you tried the R70X?
Me mentions the R70X in the beginning of the video at 0:26
Next level in your reviews
Too much treble? But how will you make the blood come out?
Why put anything (foam, felt whatever) in front of the driver? It literally messes up the sound waves from the drivers. Needless to say, if you put a foam insert it doesn't just veil the treble but the ENTIRE spectrum. There is a reason why you never see foam inserts on a high resolution headphone whether it's Abyss, Hifiman or estats. You reduce treble sure, but you are degrading the rest of the sound in order to achieve it.
Some the issue with this headphone might be the titanium driver housing causing resonance, might be better to start modding there, and then maybe EQ
a 1000 dollars with a paper around drivers? fuck me....
Yes please do it! Curious to know what happens to these with some sort of tuning material inserted into the cups.
Isn't Audio Technica stuff always treble heavy? It's just here that treble is caught in a Titanium dome and amplified back at you.
@Jon Beck Treble heavy doesn't always mean sinew slicing sibilants. Excessive sibilants just seems to be something that goes wrong with some headphones sometimes.
In general for their audiophile-type headphones and earphones, yes, their house sound is on the bright side.
@@88Opportunist yeah you can definitely make a bright headphone without sibilance. The older version of this headphone, the a2000x, is SUPER bright but doesn't have any sibilance to me. I'm usually very sensitive to sibilance, so it surprised me.
One thing I can confirm is that Japan's market craves highs and most of their lineup is very shimmering because of that.
Yes mod please. Potentially show some EQ progress highlights
Your reviews are enjoyable and worthwhile I'd hate to see you waste any more time messing with this one.
Hey dms guy, ever hear of the thunderpants mod headphones? Think you should get a pair and review them if the fella still operates.
Does EQing the highs help?
How does an established company do this in 2021?
I’d mod this. Who knows?
Maybe a modded version will be a thing.
At any rate Audio Technica should take notice.
What a shame at $1k
Perfect cans for Guttenberg, ei,, 👍😎👍.
That sellout would love such a can lmao
Where are the M70x??? Review it pls
Audiophiles are that type of people that can spend thousands of dollars for a new amplifier to reduce treble. They can spend hours of work modifying headphones. What they cannot do is touch the treble dial. Volume is OK, but for other adjustments, you have to buy different gear! Who in their right mind would use equalizer?? Only losers, obviously!
Hey. have an FR to show us? How they react to EQ? A pair of dekoni nuggets would come handy. I love how these sound.
wait, audio technica can also be bad?
Ear daggers!!!
Please, try to mod them. What you say about this HP reminds me of the AT ATH-SR9! This HP is so Detailed and the Bass is Great but the Mids and the Highs sound metallic and the Highs are Painfull but not Sibilant. So it,s for sure a Different Tuning but maybee in the same Direction. Thanks!
Well there are a lot of people with hearing loss who nevertheless want to enjoy their music or even work with music and sound editing.
How about EQ-ing them?
It helps *some* but having a portable EQ you can fine-tune complicates things for a portable headphone.
Bro, Zeos needs to hook you up with some Dekoni nuggets for the headband. Also put a sheet or two of those cotton pads inside the cups to see how that works for you. Not sure how much the nuggets cost, but a pack of the cotton pads should cost a dollar or two
I have some but they didn't stick.
Sooo, a complete Fustercluck
00:05 Hilarious intro
Trainwreck.... That caught my attention. Great video! #MomApproved❤️ #ModTheHeadphone
Yeah, Shure (or whomever paid for this review, LOL)
was hoping you would show the FR
I'll show it in another video, on the community tab, or on my twitter soon
@@DMS3TV Any chances you posted it? Can't find it anywhere on the internet
So basically a perfect headphone for Escape from Tarkov gamers. BTW love the 21:9 video format, finally I can enjoy YT on my ultrawide, thank you for making content for us ultrawide users.
If you want to mod it to make more content, go for it. From where I stand, for 1200 Euro I can't be asked to fix anything to the headphones; I don't add pads, I don't EQ, I don't try more toilet paper on the driver. If that is the best those engineers could do, I may want to look at other products. For up to 200, I will give it a go, but not for 1200.
Very interesting, should I be worried I'm 19 and can high frequency no problem and I own the DT 990 Pro and Campfire IO (The most controversial earphone from campfire.)
so considering my history I may actually like this headphone. Love your videos
there is any of u who knows the dms intro tracks?
Vs Grados ?
Worse than the HD820?
Like a wise man once said, Bling Bling ain't no Thang
Mod this DMS !!
Yeah mod it, why not, maybe a miracle can happen if the other qualities are there, maybe a simple adjustment could fix 🤷🏼♂️ go for it..😎
I’d love for you to mod that headphones. It’s a shame not to!
Ah sibilance hurt :(
I bought this headphone and couldn’t tolerate the ringing in my ears from using it. Audio Technica’s ATH-AWAS, for a hundred dollars more, is the superior option between the two. It has a warmer sound without the over abundance of treble that AT is known for in their other high-end closed-backs
What kind of ringing? I never got any ringing.
This is the type of headphones you have to be high to listen to it. 😎
Mod em
Try to open the cup and get to the driver back. Get out the dempening of the driver, also foam one in bass "hole", also try to change pads:)
Try velvet/fabric pads, and make sure they are not very high(2.5 cm max) if the foam is hard, or medium if it has memory foam and squeezes while you ware them. The point is to make your ear as close to the driver as possible and amp sound pressure, also to undempen the driver to lower high freq and amp mid and base.
Try out some, sure you will get em to sound OK, good luck!
april fools, it's awesome!
Try placing 3mm wool felt over drivers should fix the sibilance.
Considering these are over $1000 and are this bad, on top of it all you need to invest time and money to “maybe” be able to mod them. #Horrible pair of headphones and shame on Technica for putting them out.
From what you are saying, they should have never made it to market in this condition.
Uncomfortable
Horrible Sound
$1000+
= NO WAY
Thanks for video bud and I’m sure I’ll see you in the next one. Until then... stay safe & happy listening
Kevin 🎧
I have a pretty big head and these are by far the most comfortable headphones.. Are you saying that because of this review or because you actually had one? Sound isn't horrible, elaborate on how?
@@GoudaTheCavalier
ok so 2 things…
1) did you watch the video review and other reviews?
2) had them, returned them .. EXPENSIVE OVERPRICED GARBAGE. Glad they fit your head good … 🤦🏻♂️
Give it a shot.
There are so few good closed backs, you should at least try to mod it.
Eq?
At $1K, why bother trying to salvage it by modding? So much better out there for so much less.
now please th900
Give modding it a try lol throw some foam in there and see how it affects the treble.
Try modding sound's worth it
I wonder what zeos will say about this 🤔.
Mod it and let’s hear what happens
Please MOD it DMS!!!
it is mad how crazy subjective this headphone game is as I tried those cans in a shop in Japan a couple of years ago and I absolutely loved them. It doesn't surprise me as I get the feeling that some audio technica headphones are really bright and the treble isn't to everyone's taste
I think Japanese audiophiles tend to like a more counter-clockwise sound signature.
@@jamesbittle469 it's definitely an acquired taste. Me personally... I like it although I'm 42 and probably less sensitive to treble than others ... although I've seen other reviews of these headphones and this is the first "negative" one I've seen. But people have their own preferences...
@@sameermana2003 For sure. I have been auditioning portable/closed-backed headphones and recently tried the ATH-MSR7b. Even those were a little too bright for my taste. Even though I am 50 years old, I think I am still a little treble sensitive.
@@jamesbittle469 I have the original Ath msr7 not the balanced version and me personally, I really like the sound signature of it although my main closed backs are the elegias which again is an acquired taste...but I used to have a pair of night owls which are the exact opposite but no less enjoyable
@@sameermana2003 I didn't love the Elegias either. Haha. I haven't had much luck finding a pair of portable/closed-back headphones that I like. I have big ears so most headphones are uncomfortable. The Dan Clark Aeons are the most comfortable I've tried, but they are hard to drive with portable devices.
Nah don’t mod. Move on to the next review.
These headphones suck because they have 2 mountains in the high end. End of video
Mod it!!!
I really hate this headphone.. it just pierces your ears
Thanks for that, I REALLY don't like high pitch sounds.
If you bought it, return it. Don't bother modding when you can get your money back.
Treble murder factory! Haha
Not worth the effort if it's that bad. I'm sure we'd be more interested in the backlog of reviews you're sitting on. 😉😁
Unless you need the content I wouldn't mod this. Too many options to fix these obviously garbage phones...there are others waiting.
Mod it