Great video. I’ve treated estrogen like a virus, my clinic started suggesting i split pill blockers in half because they came back very low. I thought with T levels at a thousand and estrogen low my libido would be insane, it wasnt.
TRT for 3 yrs, after my first year of blood work I completely halted my e-blocker and felt so much better. On a side note I also felt that the E-blocker gave me some hair loss...after I stopped taking it this stopped as well.
@Inverted I assume it's just standard protocol... like he says in the video body is trying to stay in homeostasis so if yiur putting in exogenous T then E will rise as well. What you need to remember is we are all different unfortunately TRT is still very new to men. So trial and error is unfortunately part of hormone replacement
@Cookie Monster 90. Then it was 9! That's when Doc said to go EOW with E-blocker I just decided to eliminate it. Now, estrogen score stays around 45 when I eat average. When I start to go full keto and drop fat levels the estrogen score goes down around 30 as my body fat levels decrease. Just like they talk about. Getting lean affects this hormone, and if you're not getting blood work done, you will never know this. You will just feel the energy loss (how I felt) and lethargic.
I’m on TRT my levels were 221 and felt terrible. Got on and felt great after a few months. My estrogen shot up to about 58 over 39 I guess is concerning. They lowered my trt from 100mg a week to 50mg and gave me a anatrozole. Felt like crap. That’s from a Endo to.
Just got my test results back. I’m a 26 year old male at 18% body fat. Testosterone is 650 but estrogen is 47. I’m not lean and my test is fine, so no idea why my estrogen is so low.
Mine is super low naturally too. I was prescribed a whooping 1mg of anastrozole and it absolutely wrecked me after just ONE PILL!! STAY away from AI 's unless absolutely necessary!!!! My t was 488 with only 12.7 e2!! That was before the anastrozole!!
47 is like 10 points over the high end on the reference range. Your free T is what really matters, so your T may not be fine if your free T is very low.
How long did you take it to notice a change? I had my blood work done. My Prolactin was high like yours. My Estrodial was super low at 9pg. My total T was 622 and free T was at 11ng. SHBG was about 45nmol. FAI was 47. So since the estrodial was low compared to my Total T. Should probably be between 20-30pg. I started taking 10mg of DHEA. To hopefully increase Estrodial. I decided to add Pregnenalone along with it. I just started it yesterday. I noticed DHEA definitely changed my mood been taking it for 3 weeks.My cardiovascular system definitely seems much better. I’m just trying to get my morning wood back 😂
@deltabravo6613 yes. I started out with 10mg but then kept increasing. I'm currently doing 50mg in the morning and at night. I haven't had my blood work done yet. I plan on doing it after this last month of DHEA
My estradiol level is 12 and test is 488, would I benefit from a little aromatization? Was on my first TRT dose and the doctor recommended 1 mg tablet per week. Upon taking the anastrozole, I feel like I am extremely anxious and cannot sleep. From what I am reading 12 is actually already a low number for estrogen at this ratio. I have for months felt extremely irritable all the time prior to seeking out TRT and have had worsening anxiety. Could I benefit from once a week cypionate injections to encourage a small amount of aromatization?? I understand that a 1 mg dose is massive to start but I was just doing as the doctor prescribed. I'm beginning to wonder if some of my irritability and other symptoms were due to a low estrogen level in the first place?
Of course you would benefit from a little aromatization. Just get a blood test while on trt/hrt cycle. Hopefully your doc approve of this. I would do it on the side and maybe pay it out of pocket
After going keto and IF for two years, and start taking DIM to control estrogen for minimizing belly fat in the last half year, I have lower libido and seems to have ED lately. Not sure which factor is the culprit.
Sir how does it feels like to have low libido and ED, 1)do you still feel attraction for woman, 2) or you just lack sex drive and can't get erection but still find women attractive . I just was just wondering about this question can you please solve my doubt.
@@soorajwrir4433 No offence taken. Few months ago I still got a lot of spontaneous erection with my girlfriend but when we finally have sex, my boner just wasn't hard enough during the penetration or it goes flaccid in the half way and force ejaculation despite the lack of excitement. I noticed my nocturnal erection is still hard and have spontaneous erection sometime but when I tried to masturbate upon it with provocative video, my boner starts to flaccid in the half way again. And I don't seem to be turn on as easily by provocative material anymore. Not sure it it's due to my diet along with the aromatase inhibitor or it is just because my age comes, will have to find out in the next couple months.
@@soorajwrir4433 No offence taken. Few months ago I still got lot of boner when I was around my girlfriend, but I notice during sexual activities the boner just get flaccid faster. Also I don't seem to get turn on easily by just female nudity anymore. Note that I still have strong nocturnal boner or spontaneous boner by fantasy. I am not sure this is due to my restrictive diet (in carbs and calorie), or a hormonal problem due to DIM (aromatase inhibitor), or simply just coming to the age. Think I need to find out in the next couple months.
@soorajwrir4433 No offence taken. Few months ago I still got boner when I was around my girlfriend, but I notice during sexual activities the boner just get flaccid faster. Also I don't seem to get turn on by just female nudity anymore. Note that I still have strong nocturnal boner or spontaneous boner by fantasy. I am not sure this is due to my restrictive diet (in carbs and calorie), or a hormonal problem due to DIM (aromatase inhibitor), or simply just coming to the age. Think I need to find out in the next couple months.
I have pituitary failure my testosterone was 2nd. It sucks but finally got a doctor who gives me 200mg of testosterone cyp a week. Also take letrozole to lower Estradiol. Doing much better now…
My estrogen is too low, but in my country the mainstream healthcare system denies that men can have too low estrogen, and only have an upper reference range limit. Mainstream healthcare is at least 50% outdated pseudoscience.
OK, so I have always struggled gaining muscle no matter how hard I train and I have excess fat (I'm skinny fat). I eat really clean and have done most of my life (I'm 55 now). My Total test is 876 (natural) yet my Estradiol is
@@nootnootpenguino8586 My T is high for my age and I believe that my body is producing high T in order to convert to estrogen. I also believe the doc thinks by adding more T that my body will do the same (convert) but it obviously doesn't work like that (for me at least). I had to stop TRT because it pushed my BP up to 184/84
My apologies if it’s been covered in a video I haven’t seen yet but are you on trt? I’ve not heard your age yet either, I’m guessing you’ve said it some of your videos. Thanks
So my testosterone is 2600 my estrogen is 47 noted on labs as high I always feel sleepy, is my estrogen considered high or low? I thought with higher test you need high estrogen I was thinking should be at 80 on estrogen. I’ve been holding water weight
I’m healthy and I’m good Shape and trained like a beats my test levels are fine but got low estrogen in the 21s not sure wot to do to raise it higher ?
Assuming you are natural with no exogenous testosterone, the only direct way is to gain body fat. Diet wise you can also try adding small amounts of soya based foods (healthy stuff like tofu ideally), flaxseed oil or like lavender (if using oil, dilute a drop or two into a oil). Experimentally could try low dose exogenous estradiol (like less than 0.5mg) which may be enough to put it into the 'just fine' range. Ask an endo tho.
I'm 58. T is on the low side E is on the high side. Workouts are good, I'm building muscle. Libido could be better but I feel happier then usual. Are there down sides for high E especially as we age?
@@marklowe5939You can’t develop cancer if you’re not exposed to chemicals that would cause it. Contrary to popular belief. Cancer, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, Dementia. Things like that aren’t genetic or hereditary. It’s because you were exposed to something, for long periods of time in your life that will cause that.
I'm one of these people who consistently have low estradiol even though T is very high. And I'm not especially lean. I can't explain it or fix it, but it sucks.
Yes. Testosterone (free and total), Estradiol, Luteinizing hormone (LH), Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH), and SHBG at minimum. Then DHEA, Pregnenolone, Prolatin, DHT, and Cortisol also if possible.
Unironically, try adding a little soya based stuff (like tofu), grapefruit and whatever else foods that contain mildly estrogenic compounds. Worth experimenting with.
i'm on a feast/fast regime over 5 days. With 2 days eating as much as i can after training, then low calorie ie fast. I take DHEA over the feast phase - then none. This seems to put me in the category Plates dude says is bad, but it seems to work well (I've put on a few pounds of muscle since starting the regime whilst already being fairly muscled for my light frame (technically overweight on BMI with low fat). I actually avoided taking it all the time 'cause i thought it might suppress my natural hormones somehow. Feeling uncertain now.
Isn’t it also true that, a certain level of estrogen is necessary to excite androgen receptor sites? In other words, you could have super physiological levels of testosterone, but unless you have a healthy amount of estrogen you quite simply, among other things, won’t grow!
Please align your cameras. The center of the screen is misaligned with literal horizontal lines coming to the center of the screen and yet they are 2in off.
I am having a nipple sensativity issue that is turning into gyno. Taking 500mg of test E, 300mg deca, 2iu a day of hgh and since day one have been taking .5mg of arimadex 3 times per week. Within 3 weeks nipple started hurting and now 6 weeks later still no change. Not sure how it's possible taking arimadex since day 1
Switch to letrozole. Letrozole kick’s arimidex ass. Probably start around 2.5mg x 3 every week. Make sure one of your doses follows your testosterone by 24hrs. I started off taking it 3x week but now have been able to cut back to once a week.
how many actual people have you helped? actual patients? have a debate with bart kay publicly. i know you will not. be a man and put the fight up publicly since you are right. prove it!
Considering they are not doctors they don’t have patients. All they did was talk about estrogen and it’s possible affects. Why do they need to “have a fight” why don’t you grow up a bit.
Love that you guys are starting to collaborate more on content my favorite health life style youtubers
So cool seeing Thomas and Derek doing some epic TA together. Great show guys! 👍
Great video. I’ve treated estrogen like a virus, my clinic started suggesting i split pill blockers in half because they came back very low. I thought with T levels at a thousand and estrogen low my libido would be insane, it wasnt.
Hell yeah my two favorite health experts together 🔥
Great to see you guys collaborating and i hope for more in the futue. Love both you guys channels
What a great guy to have. Derek is a book of knowledge in his core competency
I crashed my estrogen with AI on purpose to help clear up steroid acne and it worked very well. I have felt very tired lately
aromasin?
I'd love to see more stuff like this!
This was a fun exchange. A bit different from your usual posts but still interesting back and forth.
TRT for 3 yrs, after my first year of blood work I completely halted my e-blocker and felt so much better. On a side note I also felt that the E-blocker gave me some hair loss...after I stopped taking it this stopped as well.
We’re u taking dim or anything over counter ?
@@jsp07411 Arimidex...all prescribed.
Why were they giving you a eblocker
@Inverted I assume it's just standard protocol... like he says in the video body is trying to stay in homeostasis so if yiur putting in exogenous T then E will rise as well. What you need to remember is we are all different unfortunately TRT is still very new to men. So trial and error is unfortunately part of hormone replacement
@Cookie Monster 90. Then it was 9! That's when Doc said to go EOW with E-blocker I just decided to eliminate it. Now, estrogen score stays around 45 when I eat average. When I start to go full keto and drop fat levels the estrogen score goes down around 30 as my body fat levels decrease. Just like they talk about. Getting lean affects this hormone, and if you're not getting blood work done, you will never know this. You will just feel the energy loss (how I felt) and lethargic.
That was awesome. Thanks guys
I’m on TRT my levels were 221 and felt terrible. Got on and felt great after a few months. My estrogen shot up to about 58 over 39 I guess is concerning. They lowered my trt from 100mg a week to 50mg and gave me a anatrozole. Felt like crap. That’s from a Endo to.
Great team up!
Just got my test results back. I’m a 26 year old male at 18% body fat. Testosterone is 650 but estrogen is 47. I’m not lean and my test is fine, so no idea why my estrogen is so low.
Mine is super low naturally too. I was prescribed a whooping 1mg of anastrozole and it absolutely wrecked me after just ONE PILL!! STAY away from AI 's unless absolutely necessary!!!! My t was 488 with only 12.7 e2!! That was before the anastrozole!!
47 is not low
47 is like 10 points over the high end on the reference range. Your free T is what really matters, so your T may not be fine if your free T is very low.
Your labs is ok, probably no need for TRT, Just adjustments on lifestyle, dont look for numbers, look to your symptons.
That's fine try having 17E and 200ngdl T
Too high I get spots, too low get bad mood, back sleep, currently finding balance
How long did you take it to notice a change? I had my blood work done. My Prolactin was high like yours. My Estrodial was super low at 9pg. My total T was 622 and free T was at 11ng. SHBG was about 45nmol. FAI was 47. So since the estrodial was low compared to my Total T. Should probably be between 20-30pg. I started taking 10mg of DHEA. To hopefully increase Estrodial. I decided to add Pregnenalone along with it. I just started it yesterday. I noticed DHEA definitely changed my mood been taking it for 3 weeks.My cardiovascular system definitely seems much better. I’m just trying to get my morning wood back 😂
You’re levels are VERY SIMILAR to mine, I’m 30. Has DHEA helped?
@deltabravo6613 yes. I started out with 10mg but then kept increasing. I'm currently doing 50mg in the morning and at night. I haven't had my blood work done yet. I plan on doing it after this last month of DHEA
@@natel272 it’s helped with sexual health also??
@deltabravo6613 Yes, but I'm still not back to 100%. So I'm gonna continue because I don't think my estrodial levels are back to being balanced yet.
My estradiol level is 12 and test is 488, would I benefit from a little aromatization? Was on my first TRT dose and the doctor recommended 1 mg tablet per week. Upon taking the anastrozole, I feel like I am extremely anxious and cannot sleep. From what I am reading 12 is actually already a low number for estrogen at this ratio. I have for months felt extremely irritable all the time prior to seeking out TRT and have had worsening anxiety. Could I benefit from once a week cypionate injections to encourage a small amount of aromatization?? I understand that a 1 mg dose is massive to start but I was just doing as the doctor prescribed. I'm beginning to wonder if some of my irritability and other symptoms were due to a low estrogen level in the first place?
Of course you would benefit from a little aromatization. Just get a blood test while on trt/hrt cycle. Hopefully your doc approve of this. I would do it on the side and maybe pay it out of pocket
Bro fucking hell, get on test
After going keto and IF for two years, and start taking DIM to control estrogen for minimizing belly fat in the last half year, I have lower libido and seems to have ED lately. Not sure which factor is the culprit.
Sir how does it feels like to have low libido and ED,
1)do you still feel attraction for woman,
2) or you just lack sex drive and can't get erection but still find women attractive .
I just was just wondering about this question can you please solve my doubt.
@@soorajwrir4433 No offence taken. Few months ago I still got a lot of spontaneous erection with my girlfriend but when we finally have sex, my boner just wasn't hard enough during the penetration or it goes flaccid in the half way and force ejaculation despite the lack of excitement.
I noticed my nocturnal erection is still hard and have spontaneous erection sometime but when I tried to masturbate upon it with provocative video, my boner starts to flaccid in the half way again. And I don't seem to be turn on as easily by provocative material anymore.
Not sure it it's due to my diet along with the aromatase inhibitor or it is just because my age comes, will have to find out in the next couple months.
@@soorajwrir4433 No offence taken. Few months ago I still got lot of boner when I was around my girlfriend, but I notice during sexual activities the boner just get flaccid faster. Also I don't seem to get turn on easily by just female nudity anymore. Note that I still have strong nocturnal boner or spontaneous boner by fantasy.
I am not sure this is due to my restrictive diet (in carbs and calorie), or a hormonal problem due to DIM (aromatase inhibitor), or simply just coming to the age. Think I need to find out in the next couple months.
@soorajwrir4433 No offence taken. Few months ago I still got boner when I was around my girlfriend, but I notice during sexual activities the boner just get flaccid faster. Also I don't seem to get turn on by just female nudity anymore. Note that I still have strong nocturnal boner or spontaneous boner by fantasy.
I am not sure this is due to my restrictive diet (in carbs and calorie), or a hormonal problem due to DIM (aromatase inhibitor), or simply just coming to the age. Think I need to find out in the next couple months.
@@jaycolinzhai ok thanks
this was actually a great video
I have low thyroid, and under performing adrenal glands. My testosterone was 20 mg which is like a female
What is doctor recommending u do?
I have pituitary failure my testosterone was 2nd. It sucks but finally got a doctor who gives me 200mg of testosterone cyp a week. Also take letrozole to lower Estradiol. Doing much better now…
@@marklowe5939yikes bro letro is crazy overkill.
My estrogen is too low, but in my country the mainstream healthcare system denies that men can have too low estrogen, and only have an upper reference range limit.
Mainstream healthcare is at least 50% outdated pseudoscience.
OK, so I have always struggled gaining muscle no matter how hard I train and I have excess fat (I'm skinny fat). I eat really clean and have done most of my life (I'm 55 now). My Total test is 876 (natural) yet my Estradiol is
Damn maybe you need to learn how to train properly
So ur testosterone is in normal range. Estrogen is low??? But then now ur on trt how tf is it fixing things
@@nootnootpenguino8586 My T is high for my age and I believe that my body is producing high T in order to convert to estrogen. I also believe the doc thinks by adding more T that my body will do the same (convert) but it obviously doesn't work like that (for me at least). I had to stop TRT because it pushed my BP up to 184/84
@@brandonyoung4910 Grow up
@@nootnootpenguino8586more test to aromatize probably
My apologies if it’s been covered in a video I haven’t seen yet but are you on trt? I’ve not heard your age yet either, I’m guessing you’ve said it some of your videos.
Thanks
So my testosterone is 2600 my estrogen is 47 noted on labs as high I always feel sleepy, is my estrogen considered high or low? I thought with higher test you need high estrogen I was thinking should be at 80 on estrogen. I’ve been holding water weight
That s not always true, my estradiol is very low and my testosterone (free and total are in the very upper range).
Whats the diet to fix low estradiol?
Thanks is for the video. How do you cycle off anastrozole if taking with trt?
Derek is the man 💪
I’m healthy and I’m good Shape and trained like a beats my test levels are fine but got low estrogen in the 21s not sure wot to do to raise it higher ?
Assuming you are natural with no exogenous testosterone, the only direct way is to gain body fat. Diet wise you can also try adding small amounts of soya based foods (healthy stuff like tofu ideally), flaxseed oil or like lavender (if using oil, dilute a drop or two into a oil). Experimentally could try low dose exogenous estradiol (like less than 0.5mg) which may be enough to put it into the 'just fine' range. Ask an endo tho.
Where did he talk about estrogen killing his gain?
My test is 1,052 my Estradiol was 41.8 shit I felt the best until doc put me on ai then fell like shit
So now the key question will boosting my lowish estrogen with for example flaxseed oil supplement, will this then lower my testosterone level?
I'm 58. T is on the low side E is on the high side. Workouts are good, I'm building muscle. Libido could be better but I feel happier then usual.
Are there down sides for high E especially as we age?
Just prostate cancer…. Seriously.
@@marklowe5939 BS! You wanna check all related markers before jumping to conclusions, dude!
Gyno, mood changes
@@marklowe5939You can’t develop cancer if you’re not exposed to chemicals that would cause it. Contrary to popular belief. Cancer, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s, Dementia. Things like that aren’t genetic or hereditary. It’s because you were exposed to something, for long periods of time in your life that will cause that.
32 with 280 test and 17 e feel like shot lately. Would test help bring both these up?
Yes
I'm one of these people who consistently have low estradiol even though T is very high. And I'm not especially lean. I can't explain it or fix it, but it sucks.
take a good DIM supplement at about 200mg a day this should help correct it naturally well researched and great for us men
@@brawrrrXO I've been taking DIM for awhile but some also say it acts as an aromatase inhibitor?
I have the same issue. latest bloods say below
@@xoxpimpinfouxox1 I've never taken EQ or Primo.
Dim lowers estrogen…. So might just drop that.
Mine dropped from 32 to 15 and my pcp said I need to lower my AI
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I’m pretty sure Schisandra is a phytoestrogen
What supplements are aromatase inhibitors?
Apigenin I know of
Arimidex, Anastrozole, Aromasin
DIM
I dont care what job or profession were talking about, but after 44 years of life, i figure 9 out of 10 people suck at their job; including doctors.
If I am getting ny Testisterine be checked in a bloodwork, should I check my Estrogen too?
Yes. Testosterone (free and total), Estradiol, Luteinizing hormone (LH), Follicle Stimulating Hormone (FSH), and SHBG at minimum. Then DHEA, Pregnenolone, Prolatin, DHT, and Cortisol also if possible.
Yes.. most testosterone tests I've seen include estradiol testing
I love this video. Also, how can I boost my e ?
That's easy eat Shitty foods or get really fat af
Does Ashwagandha take away estrogen? Or balances it?
My natural ratio seems to push 40:1 total T to E2. What should I do then? Take oral E2? (I am on TRT)
How do you raise the healthy form of estrogen in men?
Unironically, try adding a little soya based stuff (like tofu), grapefruit and whatever else foods that contain mildly estrogenic compounds. Worth experimenting with.
How do you measure your estrogen level?
If you sit down to pee i can guarantee you have high estrogen
Blood work , hormone panel
With a ruler
With an Estrogen Level Measurer
i'm on a feast/fast regime over 5 days. With 2 days eating as much as i can after training, then low calorie ie fast. I take DHEA over the feast phase - then none. This seems to put me in the category Plates dude says is bad, but it seems to work well (I've put on a few pounds of muscle since starting the regime whilst already being fairly muscled for my light frame (technically overweight on BMI with low fat). I actually avoided taking it all the time 'cause i thought it might suppress my natural hormones somehow. Feeling uncertain now.
What if my estrogen level is 6.9. The normal is 10-40 in men
Isn’t it also true that, a certain level of estrogen is necessary to excite androgen receptor sites? In other words, you could have super physiological levels of testosterone, but unless you have a healthy amount of estrogen you quite simply, among other things, won’t grow!
may i ask where did you hear this, it’s an interesting point
I must have naturally low estrogen even tongkat Ali gets me feeling like this at higher doses
So, should I stop taking DIM?
My answer would be yes , stop taking it , at least in the short term and see how you feel .
Don't take any TRT, supplements, or illnesses to explain it, but I have normal T and low E.... I'd love an explanation.
Was there a point to this post? Fifteen minutes of waffle.
Please align your cameras. The center of the screen is misaligned with literal horizontal lines coming to the center of the screen and yet they are 2in off.
How long before aromatise inhibitors leave the body after stoping use . They have left me feeling like shit and can’t get an erection , please help
What would u say the value of high estrogen would be
My Estradiol is 5. 😐
How are your joints? Are they hurting?
@@MyPlanet123yes
This taught me precisely nothing.
Thomas will start to talk about PEDs soon.. see it coming
yeaaa my nigga DERECKKK
Your gangster for saying that?
@@DHt8307 im gangster in general
@@nikosogamias a buster
I can't get thrive market here in Hawaii. Booo
I am having a nipple sensativity issue that is turning into gyno. Taking 500mg of test E, 300mg deca, 2iu a day of hgh and since day one have been taking .5mg of arimadex 3 times per week. Within 3 weeks nipple started hurting and now 6 weeks later still no change. Not sure how it's possible taking arimadex since day 1
Use nolva
Switch to letrozole. Letrozole kick’s arimidex ass. Probably start around 2.5mg x 3 every week. Make sure one of your doses follows your testosterone by 24hrs. I started off taking it 3x week but now have been able to cut back to once a week.
Check your prolactin levels.
Deca is a 19nor and will raise prolactin and can cause gyno even if your estrogen is fine
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Jesse lee Peterson comes to mind…. Beeeytah male! 😂
Hmm. So much crazy info; maybe we should just eat well, exercise, and sleep and let the body do it's thing...
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how many actual people have you helped? actual patients? have a debate with bart kay publicly. i know you will not. be a man and put the fight up publicly since you are right. prove it!
Considering they are not doctors they don’t have patients. All they did was talk about estrogen and it’s possible affects. Why do they need to “have a fight” why don’t you grow up a bit.
What the hell are you talking about?
@@jdl2180Thats what I was thinking. What is this dude even going on about?
I remember this guy saying 2 or 300 of test a week is trt . What a genius lol 🤦♂️
A "bodybuilder calling himself an athlete is a big stretch.
Thats like calling a therapist a doctor
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Dereck was cool back in the days. I think he’s whack now.
We need *sauna wood* 🪵 not 🧱s