Turn 1 lap 1 in Monza a guy wrecked 3 cars including me (iRacing)... locked his tires and startled everybody behind him as well - causing more mayhem. Now I know what his idea was xD
although perfectly legal, there’s a million different ways this could go wrong. makes for a killer overtake when right, but you’re getting shadowrealm’d if you screw up
Shane van Gisbergen V8 Supercar champion. He does this almost every race weekend in real life & pulls it off. He even did with a broken collar bone & a broken rib. He’s insane man. One of the best race car drivers breathing today. He’s nuts man
Most times I've seen this move, it ends in a punt...or the space on the inside did not actually exist. That narrow line is quite easy to defend against as long as you can keep it on the outside as the defense have margin to reposition and carry more speed instead. If the attacker takes next left apex curb, he will probably get a car in his door on exit...which will most likely come out worse for him. But cool moove then actually pulled of. 9/10 times it ends in a crash
Yeah, both drivers have to be top-level for this to work. There are so many ways this could go wrong lol but to see it pulled off is definitely impressive.
To be fair. Although it only works once (on the same person), the effects linger. If you fake the same move again you can force an even more defensive entry into the turn, meanwhile you take the ideal line to get a better exit. Again, not guaranteed but still you can use it to your advantage.
They're kinda damned if they do and damned if they don't - if they go TOO defensive they're a sitting duck, but if they don't go defensive enough they're a kneeling duck
I'd need 2 laps to set this up if I tried it. First lap I'm flat out taking the outside, giving the lead car what he wants and pulling beside him on the outside, then slipping back in behind him for the corner. If I can get that move started again, I'd take the straight almost all the way to the left, keeping behind like Danny does. Let him see me in the mirror, but not know exactly how far up beside him I am. If he's driving defensive and sees me about to take a wide radius into the corner, he'll move out further to set up his entry and better defend the corner. The timing has to be adjusted, you'd have to move the moment you see him prep for the corner, but it pretty much assures you'll have the room on the inside. The other side of that is, if you don't end up beside him on entry, you don't win the corner. And no matter how you try to pull this off, it's painfully easy to overcook the corner, so... you gotta be confident in your driving lol
Lol you would think so but I've employed the same moves on the same corners against the same opponents and they're always effective. If it only works once then you haven't mastered it.
I remember in the 2020 Lemans 24 race in iracing , before a heavy braking zone on the straight we would always flash our lights and swerve if behind someone at night to get their attention , and then brake early as they look in their mirrors and have them panic and lockup or run wide . Works once or twice. Loads of fun
@@dannyleeracing this isnt world class. The guy defending literally threw. He continued to go back to the outside a full second after you were on his inside, if he had just kept to your left and not moved that would've been his corner.
@@lun7n Yes, but that's easy to say in hindsight, analysing it afterwards. People aren't robots that automatically select the best response instantly, some will instinctively yield as a safety response like Dean did, and he's not exactly shy when it comes to racecraft, he just didn't expect it. It won't work on everyone, but something is better than nothing.
I love doing this as they try overtake. If they come up your inside but are still in the middle of the track, just lift a bit, Yeet it over to the inside and out break them to keep your position. As long as you have the space, it always works!
Yeep. Also, lifting off the throttle a bit earlier means arriving at the corner with maybe 2, 3, 4 mph less, which can make the crucial difference of being able to brake a meter or two later than the other guy and still hitting the apex, not running him wide or hitting him.
I literally got this video recommended after re-watching the duel between Sergio Pérez and Lewis Hamilton in Abu Dhabi and I noticed Sergio applied this exact move right after Hamilton overtook him in the straight. This is awesome!
Every time I’ve seen this, the overtaking car always clips the front car into the wall and keeps on going with no damage while the other guy’s car is destroyed 😂
I'll usually set this up by "feigning outside attack" for a couple laps as the race progresses and then using it when the position grab is setup. there's a point when you set them for multiple laps they get comfortable
anyone thats done irl racing will either wait for you to go along side them and force you wide or wont leave a cars width on the inside but for the majority of situations this seems pretty usefull. basically dean shouldnt have left a cars width on the inside until you were along side him ONLY then should he have moved to the outside
I tried this for the first time yesterday and died 😅 turns out its not a great idea to do it in the porsche, with low fuel, whilst braking and turning too aggressively. Will be uploading a video of it tomorrow if you fancy a laugh (credited you in the video for the inspiration too lol)
@Danny Lee I just used this move successfully first try in a gt3 race at Fuji. I always enjoyed overtaking people with make moves to one side then going the other side so this move really made interested. I trusted the driver I was against and it payed off well. Thanks for sharing and teaching this move to us :)
I do this but opposite track positions. When I have a driver who's difficult to pass and also not afraid/prone to braking deep is usually when this works. I get a good run onto a straight with a sharp corner at the end and position myself to far inside for the corner. Run down the straight like yourself and keep my front bumper clear. In the braking zone the defending driver closes the door on the inside and brakes deep, as he does I juke to the outside and take the more traditional line while the defending driver is braking too deep past me and scrambling for the Apex. This move tends to only work when set up a few laps (3 to 4) prior by constantly trying to out brake the defending driver at that specific corner usually on the outside of the corner. You get them into the mind space that they need to be on guard and that they need to brake deep for this specific corner because they're assuming I'm going to keep attacking here. That way when you bait them to the inside, one, they're distracted because your going inside instead of outside like the last 3 or 4 laps but they'll almost always brake too deep and run wide and give you the opportunity to pass. Generally, by the time they've slowed down and got the car pointed in the correct direction, I'm already at corner exit accelerating away.
Not something to keep on your mind, it's something you get a feel for and it sorta "just happens" depending on your run on them and how well you know them as a driver. 9 times out of 10 if you're like "I'm going to deploy my special move!" it results in a fireball.
I pulled this off on my first online race in f1 22. Honestly, though I was just racing a normal overtake until you told me this was a skilled overtake. This is my first racing game that's a sim and also not a dirt rally game.
Moves like this are why online racing collisions happen so often, there's no trust amongst racers. You never know what your opponents is going to do with driving styles like this. If you can't trust the racers around you (including yourself) to make proper moves and overtakes, there's no point in racing. Last second moves are NEVER a good idea in racing, cause it doesn't give anyone time to react properly. Confident racers will commit to the proper line cause they know they can make a move on another turn without the risk.
@@alecpitts6843 its about minimizing risk. You re just putting yourself in a position of wrecking the race by doing this. In the vid at the begining of the straight the guy is beat already. If you dont get him now you take him on the next corner
@@pedrosilvaproductions definitely agreed on this particular corner. It's probably a better move to overtake on the outside and get the inside on the next turn. But this move in and ovlf itself is not a problematic move. It's where and how it's moved.
Old terms it’s call Vanishing Lines, a professional circuit maneuver where you start on the drivers side of the car in front of you and then gain enough acceleration to pass them on their blindside
“Shocking your opponent into a brief stutter of defenselessness. Like you’ve just slapped them in the face with a fish. It’s evil and I love it” Best thing I’ve heard on here for a while!
This is the reason why I dont defend early. I think its best to move just when the opponent is about to start changing line. Dont know the exact rules, but im pretty sure if you start moving before the car behind, its not blocking
I love selling the dummy and doing moves like this, but the problem with Sim racers is loads of people will move under breaking in a last ditch attempt to defend this, rather than swinging out wide and trying to get you back with the old switcharoo on corner exit. When you do get a bunch of super respectful & intelligent racers it makes battles like this absolutely titanic. Each lap is like a game of chess! But that's only 10% of people on iRacing, most folk can't think past their dashboard.
Damn. I actually pulled that off in my race today. The GT3 series at Spielberg going into T3… damn it felt amazing. I just… went for it. It was very close which made it just that bit more satisfying to pull off. Damn… iRacing was the sim of choice btw.
after you do it once, the opponent will now keep full inside to prevent that. not ''middle inside''. this make him slower and allow you easier pass on the outside
That's exactly it! If you fail to make this stick but you force your opponent to shift to an ultra defensive stance, that too brings opportunities. The whole point of this is that you are fighting people, not robots, so use that against them!
This is just a divebomb. So the leading car could close the door at you and cause you to spin and (depending on the racing series rules, but mostly) that leading car would go from that without a penalty. Divebomb is basically making your way to being side-by-side on the braking zone, while not being side-by-side before braking zone. It doesn't matter if it's half or 20 meters.
@@km6832 the best part is that to defend that, you only need to check out mirrors while braking and if car in front starts to brake just to make it with the most outside line, then that car behind won't make it at all, or will be much more behind. That's why I think that this scenario feels scripted. Car behind started braking later than the car in front and still make it for the most inside line on that corner and hold it there. To hold that speed on that corner without going out of curbs, you need very slow approach.
A really expirienced and smart opponent would see this coming at the moment you lift and would lift too just to keep you on their left side. But other than that nice move if done properly
This would definitely be more convincing with a lift closer to the beginning of the straight/exit of the previous turn to make it seem more like you never had the move to begin with. If I were defending and saw you had the momentum to go up the outside but lifted to stay behind, I'd be sus of this exact move.
A note to all oval racers; this DOES NOT WORK 😂 I actually developed a move similar to this, in which I run the outside all day, then when I come to pass someone, they block the outside down the straight, then I cut to their inside early, so that they move to block again. I would continue to ease down the track, all the way down to the apron, or just behind their bumper, whichever comes first, then jump to the outside, right next to the wall, and fly past on the outside. The reason this doesn’t work on ovals is because most drivers try to block back and forth all the way down the straight, often times making late moves catastrophic.
I love these people in the comments, ok please explain to me a overtake or any skill that doesn't 1st start with likely failure upon the 1st attempts? It's almost like failure is the best teacher or something
It’s rare that people actually have good enough judgment to pull off switchbacks consistently, knowing only to try it under perfect circumstances as to not cause a crash
During the inaugural season of the Kamel GT, I attempted this on Shaun from the Sim Pit going into T1-2 at Lime Rock. The following lap I lined up again, but did the reverse. I motioned towards the inside a lot earlier while I was in his mirror before diving to the outside edge. I almost lost it under braking and nearly took his nose off, but got onto the podium. (Actually I'd say too close, because on my client there wasn't contact, but you can here the SFX from his client from me brushing the nose of his car.) th-cam.com/video/LFRBPR8VPRs/w-d-xo.html I'm in the black/red GTP and yes we spell our names with a U. I wouldn't have been so aggressive if it wasn't a driver I trusted. Usually it's a recipe for chaos.
Made this last week, before discovering this vid. F3 in Fuji turn 1. Succeeded at the attempt, lifting bc we were alongisde and had to let him pass. Shame i missed the optimal braking point and it became a dangerous and useless move. 8/10 would try it again
As soon as you stopped pulling alongside me i would know what you were doing and if i was committed to the inside i would give you the outside. I sure wouldn’t swing back out wide at the end to come back in.
Then that would make you one of the folks this might not work on - so be it. But most will react to losing the inside by doing what Dean did, which wasn't rehearsed or coached in any way, he just shuffled left in response to the perceived risk to try and widen his own line. He wasn't expecting it and he didn't have much time to think about it.
@@dannyleeracing got ya. It just appeared to me that his dive out and in would have been incredibly risky given your proximity to his bumper and this kind of move is just begging for a net code collision. Don’t get me wrong. It could work given the right situation but i would be more likely to want to get even with him on the outside, feign and then set up for the crossover into the turn just before the small carousel. I find that filling up a guys mirror is going to lead to a mistake on their part eventually.
@@eclark9965 100%, the main showcase example here was really blummin' tight, it couldn't have been any closer and I was lucky that the timing was so close, whereas the 'organic' example in the Porsches was the same thing but with a bigger margin between me and the target car and looked a bit less risky. Probably a better example, that one.
@@dannyleeracing cheers. Hope you don’t think i was Just negging. Making videos to help people become more proficient and safe drivers is a good thing.
Shane van Gisbergen does this every weekend in the V8 Supercars in Real life all the time. And he he pulls it off too. One of the best drivers in the world no doubt
Awesome maneuver! Recently found your channel and you have helped my ease the rust off coming back into sim racing. I am definitely going to practice and try this one day. Can I get a sound bite or SLAPPED WITH A FISH IN THE FACE so I can have Voice attack play it when I yell overtake 😂😂😂😂
I already do it, but never realized how risky was, until I watched the video. I thought this was a normal move that everyone does when they have a chance to do it.
This is definitely a top-level overtake. I don't think it's something even amateur racers should attempt. The setup, precision, and control necessary to pull this off are insane. There are a ton of things that can go wrong attempting this move. But if you're racing at a high level, you're not thinking about what can go wrong, you're thinking of what to do to advance your position. With that said, I don't think racers should shy away from thinking of overtakes in this way. I only worry that most drivers in the sim world will drive it in too deep and either clip the lead car under braking, miss their mark and come straight off the apex (essentially dive-bombing the corner), or completely miss their mark, the apex, and the corner altogether. This also takes a lot of trust in the lead car to notice the move, or else your nose will get chopped. That move was sick. But I think a driver should have hours upon hours working on their race craft before trying it.
@@RevvyF1Der I'm glad you have the skill to pull it off. And I mentioned racers shouldn't shy away from thinking of overtakes in this way. The rest of what I wrote still stands too. It's risky, and a lot of racers out there do not have the skill to pull it off.
Ricciardo's move on Vettel in 2014 at Monza is a perfect example of this overtake, but Ricciardo was actually alongside Vettel before going for the move. How he did it, idk.
@@MitchChubey yeah but it’s the lane switch before the late braking that makes it so special, I’ve never seen anyone even attempt a move like that before
@@juanriquelmi9076 oh it's an absolutely boss move to brake, get off the brakes enough to go to the other side, then out brake a 4 time world champion. I wish DR would do stuff like that now.
I don’t think Dean was “super defensive” (he was more towards the middle of the track and not all the way on the right hand side of the track) but 2 ways Dean or you could defend this. 1: Dean could lift slightly so you can’t swipe over to the right. 2: Dean fully commits to the right hand side of the track.
In the scale of overtake repelling maneuvers, there's 'Defensive', then there's 'Super Defensive', then there's 'Ultra Defensive', then there's 'Giga-Defensive'
You need a lot of trust in your opponent to pull this. With opponents I don't know I always try to get them out of the corner, because under braking is more risky.
I’ve been using this as my favorite overtake in forza and seeing it broken down in such detail is so cool. Makes me feel smart for doing it already. I usually draft behind a little more than being behind and to the side
Very very difficult to pull off. I find doing the opposite is actually much easier and going inside to outside and around them that way. Especially like in this clip when the next corner is the opposite direction putting you on the inside
Going to warn everyone in the comments BE CAREFUL WHO YOU DO THIS WITH. There are some drivers, often ones that aren't experienced, who either won't fade up towards the corner like you expect, and others who may be earlier on the brakes than you are, and it'll end up with both cars in the gravel. Always always always ALWAYS know who you are racing around.
The other big problem with this move: netcode. Depending on the sim and the ping of both drivers, you could execute it cleanly, but the netcode bubble screws up the move and it's game over for at least one of you. If you're in the same country, sure give it a go, any other situation I'd avoid it.
Agreed. Yet I’ve been doing it for years. It’s like you know exactly when your opponent (defender) is going to break, no need for guessing anymore. It’s like having the instinct no matter who you race with. And in any series too (except go carts) :) Even when I defend, I stay right on the inside line. The attacker will notice and stay outside on the ideal racing line, while braking i slowly turn outside to the ideal racing line. (It works every time)
my problem is the blue car kind of just gave up, when he could have easily tracked out after seeing you go inside, and ring it around the outside and keep the corner, with you having less speed being so inside of the corner.
You need depth of field effects enabled in iRacing (in options menu), then you need to mess with the manual focus and aperture settings in the Ctrl+F12 Camera controls - the lower the aperture, the more pronounced the blur effect, but you have to 'zero in' on the exact depth of field you want. If you've already been trying to do edits and such, you'll work it out quickly enough! iRacing's camera controls are nice and easy when you get over the initial bump.
To defend this move, hold the inside and don't try to open the entry to the corner by moving to the outside. Your corner entry will be slower and your lap time will suffer but you'll keep the spot. Alternatively, let the opponent have the overtake and live to fight on later. In real racing, drivers will rarely chance taking you out along with themselves, but iracing being much lower consequence, people will take chances they wouldnt take in real life so ymmv defending this
This "maneuver" happens on Lap 1 of about every race in iRacing with disastrous results.
more like turn 1
Turn 1 lap 1 in Monza a guy wrecked 3 cars including me (iRacing)... locked his tires and startled everybody behind him as well - causing more mayhem. Now I know what his idea was xD
although perfectly legal, there’s a million different ways this could go wrong. makes for a killer overtake when right, but you’re getting shadowrealm’d if you screw up
He does admit that if the front car brakes a bit too early, both of them are going for the wall.
Shane van Gisbergen V8 Supercar champion. He does this almost every race weekend in real life & pulls it off. He even did with a broken collar bone & a broken rib. He’s insane man. One of the best race car drivers breathing today. He’s nuts man
This is a last lap type of move or a move you make when you are stuck behind a slower car that refuses to yield.
Most times I've seen this move, it ends in a punt...or the space on the inside did not actually exist.
That narrow line is quite easy to defend against as long as you can keep it on the outside as the defense have margin to reposition and carry more speed instead. If the attacker takes next left apex curb, he will probably get a car in his door on exit...which will most likely come out worse for him.
But cool moove then actually pulled of.
9/10 times it ends in a crash
Yeah, both drivers have to be top-level for this to work. There are so many ways this could go wrong lol but to see it pulled off is definitely impressive.
That's because many people are idiots. If you're Not an Idiot, this move shouldnt be Impossible.
Just what we need. To teach these scrubs more "surprise" overtaking moves.
Apologies for the wave of super sends
"I got it! I'm Daniel Riccardo! "
"... I'm not Daniel Riccardo"
🤦🏾♂️lol they're gonna try that move on Glen this week.. first corner, on cold tires🤣
@@rebelx9 on the first lap of a 3 Hr enduro
Divebombers: Oh yes, Its Showtime
To be fair. Although it only works once (on the same person), the effects linger. If you fake the same move again you can force an even more defensive entry into the turn, meanwhile you take the ideal line to get a better exit. Again, not guaranteed but still you can use it to your advantage.
They're kinda damned if they do and damned if they don't - if they go TOO defensive they're a sitting duck, but if they don't go defensive enough they're a kneeling duck
I'd need 2 laps to set this up if I tried it. First lap I'm flat out taking the outside, giving the lead car what he wants and pulling beside him on the outside, then slipping back in behind him for the corner.
If I can get that move started again, I'd take the straight almost all the way to the left, keeping behind like Danny does. Let him see me in the mirror, but not know exactly how far up beside him I am. If he's driving defensive and sees me about to take a wide radius into the corner, he'll move out further to set up his entry and better defend the corner.
The timing has to be adjusted, you'd have to move the moment you see him prep for the corner, but it pretty much assures you'll have the room on the inside. The other side of that is, if you don't end up beside him on entry, you don't win the corner. And no matter how you try to pull this off, it's painfully easy to overcook the corner, so... you gotta be confident in your driving lol
Lol you would think so but I've employed the same moves on the same corners against the same opponents and they're always effective. If it only works once then you haven't mastered it.
I remember in the 2020 Lemans 24 race in iracing , before a heavy braking zone on the straight we would always flash our lights and swerve if behind someone at night to get their attention , and then brake early as they look in their mirrors and have them panic and lockup or run wide . Works once or twice. Loads of fun
Ah yes the old Sebastian Vettel switcheroo, lovely move, I'm gonna have to try this one out for sure.
Good Ending: GRAZIE RAGAZZI
Bad Ending: MEIN GOTT MUSS DAS SEIN
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The good old dummy send
@이조필립알프레드 2017
The infamous 'Snake' overtake
You should send this in to Veloce for overtakes of the week! This is a world class overtake!
They do that? That's a good idea
@@dannyleeracing this isnt world class. The guy defending literally threw. He continued to go back to the outside a full second after you were on his inside, if he had just kept to your left and not moved that would've been his corner.
@@lun7n Yes, but that's easy to say in hindsight, analysing it afterwards. People aren't robots that automatically select the best response instantly, some will instinctively yield as a safety response like Dean did, and he's not exactly shy when it comes to racecraft, he just didn't expect it. It won't work on everyone, but something is better than nothing.
I love doing this as they try overtake. If they come up your inside but are still in the middle of the track, just lift a bit, Yeet it over to the inside and out break them to keep your position. As long as you have the space, it always works!
Have you stopped doing gta online airshows?
Yeep. Also, lifting off the throttle a bit earlier means arriving at the corner with maybe 2, 3, 4 mph less, which can make the crucial difference of being able to brake a meter or two later than the other guy and still hitting the apex, not running him wide or hitting him.
I literally got this video recommended after re-watching the duel between Sergio Pérez and Lewis Hamilton in Abu Dhabi and I noticed Sergio applied this exact move right after Hamilton overtook him in the straight.
This is awesome!
This is how Takumi overtook Nakazato. With the help of the gutter, ofcourse to stay sticked to the inside.
Every time I’ve seen this, the overtaking car always clips the front car into the wall and keeps on going with no damage while the other guy’s car is destroyed 😂
I'll usually set this up by "feigning outside attack" for a couple laps as the race progresses and then using it when the position grab is setup. there's a point when you set them for multiple laps they get comfortable
anyone thats done irl racing will either wait for you to go along side them and force you wide or wont leave a cars width on the inside but for the majority of situations this seems pretty usefull. basically dean shouldnt have left a cars width on the inside until you were along side him ONLY then should he have moved to the outside
Dani Ricc did an even more extreme version of this irl and it was against the 4 time wdc Vettle not any rookie
I tried this for the first time yesterday and died 😅 turns out its not a great idea to do it in the porsche, with low fuel, whilst braking and turning too aggressively. Will be uploading a video of it tomorrow if you fancy a laugh (credited you in the video for the inspiration too lol)
this is sick man, good tutorial Keep it up!
Thanks man, I'll be pumpin' em out more often come 2024!
If doing this at night don't forget to turn the headlights off and the eurobeat on
Initial D
Try this in open lobby and 10/10 the other guy will turn straight into you and complaint about your move lol
because it's a late move, it isn't predictable.
@Danny Lee I just used this move successfully first try in a gt3 race at Fuji. I always enjoyed overtaking people with make moves to one side then going the other side so this move really made interested. I trusted the driver I was against and it payed off well. Thanks for sharing and teaching this move to us :)
Awesome man, bet they never saw it coming - there's no coming back from gettin' done like that
@@dannyleeracing ahaha yeah it seemed like they were fuming after that one ;)
My first video of this guy and I like the way he produced it, its a great video I'm gonna sub
I do this but opposite track positions. When I have a driver who's difficult to pass and also not afraid/prone to braking deep is usually when this works. I get a good run onto a straight with a sharp corner at the end and position myself to far inside for the corner. Run down the straight like yourself and keep my front bumper clear. In the braking zone the defending driver closes the door on the inside and brakes deep, as he does I juke to the outside and take the more traditional line while the defending driver is braking too deep past me and scrambling for the Apex.
This move tends to only work when set up a few laps (3 to 4) prior by constantly trying to out brake the defending driver at that specific corner usually on the outside of the corner. You get them into the mind space that they need to be on guard and that they need to brake deep for this specific corner because they're assuming I'm going to keep attacking here. That way when you bait them to the inside, one, they're distracted because your going inside instead of outside like the last 3 or 4 laps but they'll almost always brake too deep and run wide and give you the opportunity to pass. Generally, by the time they've slowed down and got the car pointed in the correct direction, I'm already at corner exit accelerating away.
This was an amazing move! Good job and thanks for making it.
Basic “Disappearing Line” Try it at night by turning off your headlights next time like Takumi!
That's a great move. I'm too inexperienced to try it right now but I'll keep it my back pocket 😆
hey uh, don't. it's a very dangerous, last minute move that 99% of the time will result in a crash
Not something to keep on your mind, it's something you get a feel for and it sorta "just happens" depending on your run on them and how well you know them as a driver.
9 times out of 10 if you're like "I'm going to deploy my special move!" it results in a fireball.
I pulled this off on my first online race in f1 22. Honestly, though I was just racing a normal overtake until you told me this was a skilled overtake. This is my first racing game that's a sim and also not a dirt rally game.
Moves like this are why online racing collisions happen so often, there's no trust amongst racers. You never know what your opponents is going to do with driving styles like this. If you can't trust the racers around you (including yourself) to make proper moves and overtakes, there's no point in racing. Last second moves are NEVER a good idea in racing, cause it doesn't give anyone time to react properly. Confident racers will commit to the proper line cause they know they can make a move on another turn without the risk.
there's nothing improper about this move
nah there are 2 main reasons why so many collisions happen, desync and low skill, you don't need to be a pro to race on a sim
@@alecpitts6843 its about minimizing risk. You re just putting yourself in a position of wrecking the race by doing this. In the vid at the begining of the straight the guy is beat already. If you dont get him now you take him on the next corner
@@pedrosilvaproductions definitely agreed on this particular corner. It's probably a better move to overtake on the outside and get the inside on the next turn.
But this move in and ovlf itself is not a problematic move. It's where and how it's moved.
yep, i just trust my teammates and others i know wery well
Wow, really nice video mate!! Great commentary and visuals. I see you getting big on TH-cam if you keep it up
Thanks for the comment - see you at 20 million
Thanks, great vid. I love giving presents.
Yeah, I've seen and even done this before at some point. I don't race in multiplayer, but it is fun to use.
Old terms it’s call Vanishing Lines, a professional circuit maneuver where you start on the drivers side of the car in front of you and then gain enough acceleration to pass them on their blindside
Initial d reference ?
@@scubasteveae86alemar74 Fourth Stage
“Shocking your opponent into a brief stutter of defenselessness. Like you’ve just slapped them in the face with a fish. It’s evil and I love it” Best thing I’ve heard on here for a while!
the overtake at the beginning is mad
The old bait and switch hard to pull off but extremely effective when it works
i pulled this move on my buddy last night. it is so satisfying when executed perfectly
This is the reason why I dont defend early. I think its best to move just when the opponent is about to start changing line. Dont know the exact rules, but im pretty sure if you start moving before the car behind, its not blocking
faking the outside is such a Classic but smart move.
I love selling the dummy and doing moves like this, but the problem with Sim racers is loads of people will move under breaking in a last ditch attempt to defend this, rather than swinging out wide and trying to get you back with the old switcharoo on corner exit.
When you do get a bunch of super respectful & intelligent racers it makes battles like this absolutely titanic. Each lap is like a game of chess!
But that's only 10% of people on iRacing, most folk can't think past their dashboard.
That was exactly what I was thinking about
Damn. I actually pulled that off in my race today. The GT3 series at Spielberg going into T3… damn it felt amazing. I just… went for it. It was very close which made it just that bit more satisfying to pull off. Damn… iRacing was the sim of choice btw.
This is also my favorite maneuver!! I’ve seen 1 video of someone doing this in real life
I've been successful doing this move at this exact corner. Lmp2 passing for position as well as lap traffic at the same time.
My entire f1 21 career is based on this tactic
Thanks for the tip that was a bad ass move
after you do it once, the opponent will now keep full inside to prevent that. not ''middle inside''. this make him slower and allow you easier pass on the outside
That's exactly it! If you fail to make this stick but you force your opponent to shift to an ultra defensive stance, that too brings opportunities. The whole point of this is that you are fighting people, not robots, so use that against them!
This is just a divebomb.
So the leading car could close the door at you and cause you to spin and (depending on the racing series rules, but mostly) that leading car would go from that without a penalty.
Divebomb is basically making your way to being side-by-side on the braking zone, while not being side-by-side before braking zone. It doesn't matter if it's half or 20 meters.
Exactly, nothing new or revolutionary, no one with a brain would open the door for him either once he is up the inside
@@km6832 the best part is that to defend that, you only need to check out mirrors while braking and if car in front starts to brake just to make it with the most outside line, then that car behind won't make it at all, or will be much more behind.
That's why I think that this scenario feels scripted. Car behind started braking later than the car in front and still make it for the most inside line on that corner and hold it there. To hold that speed on that corner without going out of curbs, you need very slow approach.
this is a dastardly trick and i love it
Did this to someone in gtsport some time ago it really hurts them.it gets more furious when their radar is on
A really expirienced and smart opponent would see this coming at the moment you lift and would lift too just to keep you on their left side. But other than that nice move if done properly
So lift a little more and then floor it . The variaties are there.
This would definitely be more convincing with a lift closer to the beginning of the straight/exit of the previous turn to make it seem more like you never had the move to begin with. If I were defending and saw you had the momentum to go up the outside but lifted to stay behind, I'd be sus of this exact move.
did he also make a defensive move towards the outside of the corner?
A note to all oval racers; this DOES NOT WORK 😂
I actually developed a move similar to this, in which I run the outside all day, then when I come to pass someone, they block the outside down the straight, then I cut to their inside early, so that they move to block again. I would continue to ease down the track, all the way down to the apron, or just behind their bumper, whichever comes first, then jump to the outside, right next to the wall, and fly past on the outside. The reason this doesn’t work on ovals is because most drivers try to block back and forth all the way down the straight, often times making late moves catastrophic.
Smart man, I shall use this.
I love these people in the comments, ok please explain to me a overtake or any skill that doesn't 1st start with likely failure upon the 1st attempts? It's almost like failure is the best teacher or something
It’s rare that people actually have good enough judgment to pull off switchbacks consistently, knowing only to try it under perfect circumstances as to not cause a crash
Awesome overtake!
I’ll be trying that soon
During the inaugural season of the Kamel GT, I attempted this on Shaun from the Sim Pit going into T1-2 at Lime Rock. The following lap I lined up again, but did the reverse. I motioned towards the inside a lot earlier while I was in his mirror before diving to the outside edge. I almost lost it under braking and nearly took his nose off, but got onto the podium. (Actually I'd say too close, because on my client there wasn't contact, but you can here the SFX from his client from me brushing the nose of his car.)
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I'm in the black/red GTP and yes we spell our names with a U.
I wouldn't have been so aggressive if it wasn't a driver I trusted. Usually it's a recipe for chaos.
reminds me of Daniel Ricardo's move on Sebastian Vettel on Monza, awesome move
If this is a skilled weapon, to us noob drivers, you just gave us a bazooka to be used in a dollhouse, lol!
Will use with caution, Sir! *salutes*
Made this last week, before discovering this vid. F3 in Fuji turn 1. Succeeded at the attempt, lifting bc we were alongisde and had to let him pass. Shame i missed the optimal braking point and it became a dangerous and useless move. 8/10 would try it again
I got a league race on F1 at spa this monday, might try this out if i get the opportunity
As soon as you stopped pulling alongside me i would know what you were doing and if i was committed to the inside i would give you the outside. I sure wouldn’t swing back out wide at the end to come back in.
Then that would make you one of the folks this might not work on - so be it. But most will react to losing the inside by doing what Dean did, which wasn't rehearsed or coached in any way, he just shuffled left in response to the perceived risk to try and widen his own line. He wasn't expecting it and he didn't have much time to think about it.
@@dannyleeracing got ya. It just appeared to me that his dive out and in would have been incredibly risky given your proximity to his bumper and this kind of move is just begging for a net code collision.
Don’t get me wrong. It could work given the right situation but i would be more likely to want to get even with him on the outside, feign and then set up for the crossover into the turn just before the small carousel.
I find that filling up a guys mirror is going to lead to a mistake on their part eventually.
@@eclark9965 100%, the main showcase example here was really blummin' tight, it couldn't have been any closer and I was lucky that the timing was so close, whereas the 'organic' example in the Porsches was the same thing but with a bigger margin between me and the target car and looked a bit less risky. Probably a better example, that one.
@@dannyleeracing cheers. Hope you don’t think i was Just negging. Making videos to help people become more proficient and safe drivers is a good thing.
@@eclark9965 Never ever - fire away! Appreciate you watching and commenting, 'cos if nobody did that there'd be no joy in it!
What's your rate of actually pulling that move off in races vs taking yourself and other car out of the race?
So far? 100% success rate. I trust my decision on who this can and can't be done on
Senna pulled the exact same move on Damon Hill in 1993 Interlagos. Worth watching
Honestly, masterclass
Shane van Gisbergen does this every weekend in the V8 Supercars in Real life all the time. And he he pulls it off too. One of the best drivers in the world no doubt
This is my absolute favorite way to overtake. It's a bit dodgy at times though.. 😅 🎉
Awesome maneuver! Recently found your channel and you have helped my ease the rust off coming back into sim racing. I am definitely going to practice and try this one day. Can I get a sound bite or SLAPPED WITH A FISH IN THE FACE so I can have Voice attack play it when I yell overtake 😂😂😂😂
that overtake was actually my first and still favorite overtake from forza Motorsport 5
Ahh yes, the old Shane Van Gisbergen special!
(If you’re an Aussie, or follow the V8 supercars, you’ll know!)
Hell yeah, just like Ricciardo on Vettel at Monza 2014.
I remember seeing a version of this at Indycar road america…that went very wrong
I already do it, but never realized how risky was, until I watched the video. I thought this was a normal move that everyone does when they have a chance to do it.
This is for sure a very audacious manoeuvring right there.
This is definitely a top-level overtake. I don't think it's something even amateur racers should attempt. The setup, precision, and control necessary to pull this off are insane.
There are a ton of things that can go wrong attempting this move. But if you're racing at a high level, you're not thinking about what can go wrong, you're thinking of what to do to advance your position. With that said, I don't think racers should shy away from thinking of overtakes in this way.
I only worry that most drivers in the sim world will drive it in too deep and either clip the lead car under braking, miss their mark and come straight off the apex (essentially dive-bombing the corner), or completely miss their mark, the apex, and the corner altogether. This also takes a lot of trust in the lead car to notice the move, or else your nose will get chopped.
That move was sick. But I think a driver should have hours upon hours working on their race craft before trying it.
I do this move all the time as an amateur aggressive driver, Before this video was made even. It's nothing new.
@@RevvyF1Der I'm glad you have the skill to pull it off. And I mentioned racers shouldn't shy away from thinking of overtakes in this way.
The rest of what I wrote still stands too. It's risky, and a lot of racers out there do not have the skill to pull it off.
This reminds me of Kobayashi’s Banzai overtakes where it looked like he would forget where the quiet pedal is.
Ricciardo's move on Vettel in 2014 at Monza is a perfect example of this overtake, but Ricciardo was actually alongside Vettel before going for the move. How he did it, idk.
Straight up just out braked Vettel.
@@MitchChubey yeah but it’s the lane switch before the late braking that makes it so special, I’ve never seen anyone even attempt a move like that before
@@juanriquelmi9076 oh it's an absolutely boss move to brake, get off the brakes enough to go to the other side, then out brake a 4 time world champion.
I wish DR would do stuff like that now.
I don’t think Dean was “super defensive” (he was more towards the middle of the track and not all the way on the right hand side of the track) but 2 ways Dean or you could defend this.
1: Dean could lift slightly so you can’t swipe over to the right.
2: Dean fully commits to the right hand side of the track.
In the scale of overtake repelling maneuvers, there's 'Defensive', then there's 'Super Defensive', then there's 'Ultra Defensive', then there's 'Giga-Defensive'
@@dannyleeracing haha yes, love it
This is, how you say, the ole switch-aroo.
when i saw the thumbnail i was like its just a switch a roo
“Yes the inside is mine! Hm? He disappeared? No way! Aah!”
- black thunder, he who pays his gtr’s repair fees
yeah its a really cool move but id preffer to jsut attack the outside, try to stick it in next corner, but that might just be me
You need a lot of trust in your opponent to pull this. With opponents I don't know I always try to get them out of the corner, because under braking is more risky.
I’ve been using this as my favorite overtake in forza and seeing it broken down in such detail is so cool. Makes me feel smart for doing it already. I usually draft behind a little more than being behind and to the side
Read that Road like a champ!
Very very difficult to pull off. I find doing the opposite is actually much easier and going inside to outside and around them that way. Especially like in this clip when the next corner is the opposite direction putting you on the inside
At Spa this is definitely true - the section that follows this straight is one of the best for making either line work if you get it right
Going to warn everyone in the comments BE CAREFUL WHO YOU DO THIS WITH. There are some drivers, often ones that aren't experienced, who either won't fade up towards the corner like you expect, and others who may be earlier on the brakes than you are, and it'll end up with both cars in the gravel. Always always always ALWAYS know who you are racing around.
For what it's worth, I do say precisely this. Don't go doing this on some stranger in the wild without some idea of their skill.
@@dannyleeracing I mustn't have heard it, but I figure throwing it in the comments never hurts :)
I used it sometimes in gt6
not super clean like you but I'll wait until he breaks and never overtake from the outside
The other big problem with this move: netcode. Depending on the sim and the ping of both drivers, you could execute it cleanly, but the netcode bubble screws up the move and it's game over for at least one of you. If you're in the same country, sure give it a go, any other situation I'd avoid it.
Agreed. Yet I’ve been doing it for years. It’s like you know exactly when your opponent (defender) is going to break, no need for guessing anymore. It’s like having the instinct no matter who you race with. And in any series too (except go carts) :)
Even when I defend, I stay right on the inside line. The attacker will notice and stay outside on the ideal racing line, while braking i slowly turn outside to the ideal racing line.
(It works every time)
Mick must use this.And to do dat,he must have advice from Seb on the Austrian GP
my problem is the blue car kind of just gave up, when he could have easily tracked out after seeing you go inside, and ring it around the outside and keep the corner, with you having less speed being so inside of the corner.
I actually do this pretty frequently mainly because I fucked up braking point when slipstreaming lol
Ayrton Senna did that on Damon Hill in Interlagos 1993.( IN THE RAIN)
The maneuver sounds like the "ankle-breaker" of motorsport, except both drivers can potentially slip and fall if the conditions are not met.
The ole switcharoo
how do you get those opening shots with the blur? ive been trying to make some edits but that is sick
You need depth of field effects enabled in iRacing (in options menu), then you need to mess with the manual focus and aperture settings in the Ctrl+F12 Camera controls - the lower the aperture, the more pronounced the blur effect, but you have to 'zero in' on the exact depth of field you want. If you've already been trying to do edits and such, you'll work it out quickly enough! iRacing's camera controls are nice and easy when you get over the initial bump.
@@dannyleeracing I’ll have to try this! Thanks man!!!
LOL at "the reverse Uno card". Haven't played that in years.
What do you do when they slap a reverse on your reverse?
Hmm yeah reminded me of something almost immediately
To defend this move, hold the inside and don't try to open the entry to the corner by moving to the outside. Your corner entry will be slower and your lap time will suffer but you'll keep the spot. Alternatively, let the opponent have the overtake and live to fight on later. In real racing, drivers will rarely chance taking you out along with themselves, but iracing being much lower consequence, people will take chances they wouldnt take in real life so ymmv defending this
The old switcharoo
the ole bait and switch
i luv to use that move i use it in f1 all the time