After watching your video I was inspired to try and break something! Taking my corsair DDR5 6000 Hynix A die in little steps up to 8000 MT/s I discovered that nothing was broken with my Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX V2 and a 7900X. Success, I managed to get cinebench to run for a couple of seconds! Back to 6000MT/s then.
Hey there, BZ, unrelated (to this video) question, but since you are relatively familiar with Gigabyte and their boards... What's going on with boards like the B650 GAMING X AX? The GB website has multiple revisions (up to rev 1.5) and all prior versions (including 1.4) don't have support for Ryzen 9000 whatsoever. This isn't just a bad/outdated CPU support page, the GB support has confirmed in a mail that the rev 1.4 board (and prior versions) aren't compatible with Ryzen 9000. What could be the reason for that, is it even "within spec" to not support the newer AM5 processors and if you don't know the reason right know - could you use your contacts at GB to get some info? Sounds really weird and GB seems to have a habit of constantly creating multiple revisions of the same board...
For the B650 Gigabyte ITX I researched & purchased, the difference is in the wifi / bluetooth / audio chipset. I purchased a revision 1.0 and it came with AMD's own proprietary stuff. Look at the driver support for the different revisions and you'll see that they have different software available for them.
You mentioned the patriot kit. The patriot ram community guy seems to be really good. You should try to get in contact with him. He might have some suggestions on how to use your patriot ram. They may not be optimal, but there might be something he knows that might be interesting to you. And it would probably be a good contact to make anyway.
I have the 32GB 8200MT/s Patriot kits and they have been horrible on my AM5 9800X3D system so far. Currently not sure if I should keep or return and get different kits.
@@Artaxeus 8000 has tormented bz for 3 years, for some reason he seems to be obsessed with it. You're in luck though, amd 9000 series may be the easiest to run at those speeds. I think he's had a fair amount of success with 8000 even on some higher end 4 slot boards. Watch some bz vids on running 8k on amd 9k series and try asking in the patriot forums. I wouldn't expect 8200, or honestly even 8000 to work, but 8000 should be very achievable with a little luck. And, for instance, if you look at, say, the asrock taichi, there's an asterisk for it's support for the few 8200 kits it supports (not patriot), that 8200 support depends on the quality of the CPU. That was just the first random motherboard mem qvl I looked at
Hello Buildzoid, I have same patriot 8000 kits. I am using these kits on x870e hero motherboard. These kits are very stubborn when comes to timings. No other timings work except following: Tcl 38, trcd 48, trp 48, tras 60, trc 108, trrds 8, trrdl 16, tfaw 32, twtrs 7, twtrl 32, twr 48, trdrdscl 8, twrwrscl 8, trtp 12, trdwr 16, twrrd 2. No matter how much voltage you shove it these kits wont work except these timings. Passed 24 hrs karhu, 3 hr ycruncher vt3, 25 cycles of tm5 1usmus.
The Viper Xtreme 5 8200 was used by Snakeeyes for his 6305.8 MHz DDR5 speed world record but it seems that it doesn't like some timings being tightened.
The ARdPtrInitVal setting for tPHYRDL on an MSI X670E Gaming PLUS WiFi newest Beta BIOS either does nothing or ZenTimings reading is bugged. My Patriot 64GB Kit always runs at 34/36 on either Auto/1/0. Didn't try higher than 1. I'm running at 6.400 1:1 mode.
thinkin of getting x670e tomahawk cus price, is the msi x870 tomahawk pretty much directly comparable to the msi x670e tomahawk in terms of cpu/ram oc capability and compatibility?
For some reason ARdPtrInitVal P0 set to 1 haven't evened-out memory sticks on my setup. Readout values were 38-40, now they became 36-38. It's a dual-rank RAM kit so maybe that's the issue here ?
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I'm not sure you'll see this follow-up message but I've figured it would be good to share my findings. On Aorus boards the default P0 value is 3, 1 doesn't affect tPHYRDL, but setting it to 2 actually evens out this timing for both dual-rank sticks
It would be interesting to see if 0.1% and 1% lows in games change due to RDL's being mismatched. Games where AMD seems to suffer more than Intel is what may be something good to check.
After the Raptor Lake debacle I wanna see what's up with Arrow Lake and it's potential for overclocking? I know Intel dropped the ball (again). I just wanna if something can be salvaged. Also I don't wanna switch from my 9800X3D. 😅
What could be the cause of mine 7800x3d and my kit can't even start running benchmark with tRDRDSC at 1? , I had a dominator platinum a die 7200, it runs fine stock, but in 8k tight timmings it just not like it, could be the Mobo? X670e steel legend?.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thanks, I will find out what can be this, if I put it on 2 it works for hours and hours, just this particular trimming it does not work pretty well on 8k, is there a timming can affect tRDRDSC?.
I have the same motherboard and cpu but if i enable high memory voltages it will not boot no matter what the voltages are. Does this mean board is bad or is this a memory thing? Any thoughts on this?
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking good to know thanks.. I was playing with cl+ gdm off and it seemed to need more vsoc but it was probably the gdm setting as opposed to cl
Would like to see you try 8000mhz with dual rank a die hynix for "funsies" since the zen6 architecture will come with a interposer multiple sources state that across the "leaker" community and i guess thats how AMD will gain the IPC uplift without doing much to the cores themself other than optimising the memory interface to its limits
I thought your 9950X was 6400 stable and a good sample… sorry it’s a potato! Mine won’t do 6400 without much tweaking, 6200 is fine tightened up. Have no idea if it’ll do 8000.
Just my experience but I've been running 38-48-42-42 @ 8000 daily on my B650 Gigabyte ITX board without issues. You really have to let HCI Memtest reach at least 800% in order to assure no late instability occurs though.
My dual rank a die kit tops out at 7200. Do u think it’s the memory controller limiting me could it possibly be a motherboard. It’s a srocks b650e steel
I've not tested dual rank much so I really don't know what it would be. I've seen some people manage 7600+ with dual rank but that's always been on ASUS boards IIRC
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I've got dual-rank 64gb kit (Corsair Vengeance RGB 6600 CL32 with A-die) and I had a hard time to run them at 7600 error-less on Aorus x870e Pro board. I blame not mature enough BIOS but maybe it's where it tops for dual-rank for now
@catonturtle3202 becuz he hates 14th gen. Literally any xmp above 8000 is only made for intel atleast until mid 2024. Most videos on youtube about any ram pc above 8000 is intel only.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking i had several ram kits. 8000 32gb, 8200 48gb, 8400 48gb. They all worked out of the box with 13th gen. I gave my 8200 kit to a friend with 14th gen and different board and it also worked without doing anything.
After watching your video I was inspired to try and break something! Taking my corsair DDR5 6000 Hynix A die in little steps up to 8000 MT/s I discovered that nothing was broken with my Gigabyte B650 Aorus Elite AX V2 and a 7900X. Success, I managed to get cinebench to run for a couple of seconds! Back to 6000MT/s then.
Try 7800 or 7600
Please keep doing 9800x3d tests! I can’t wait to finish my build by overclocking via your content
Hey there, BZ, unrelated (to this video) question, but since you are relatively familiar with Gigabyte and their boards... What's going on with boards like the B650 GAMING X AX? The GB website has multiple revisions (up to rev 1.5) and all prior versions (including 1.4) don't have support for Ryzen 9000 whatsoever. This isn't just a bad/outdated CPU support page, the GB support has confirmed in a mail that the rev 1.4 board (and prior versions) aren't compatible with Ryzen 9000. What could be the reason for that, is it even "within spec" to not support the newer AM5 processors and if you don't know the reason right know - could you use your contacts at GB to get some info? Sounds really weird and GB seems to have a habit of constantly creating multiple revisions of the same board...
sooo unfornately I had 1 gigabyte contact and they don't work there anymore.
For the B650 Gigabyte ITX I researched & purchased, the difference is in the wifi / bluetooth / audio chipset. I purchased a revision 1.0 and it came with AMD's own proprietary stuff. Look at the driver support for the different revisions and you'll see that they have different software available for them.
@@cieuxlux9617 that's not what he's talking about, he's talking about the boards literally NOT SUPPORTING RYZEN 9000.
hey! I notices you only do vt3 on y-cruncher, why is that? I notices my 8000 mts kingston fury only give errors when doing FFT or FFTv4
You mentioned the patriot kit. The patriot ram community guy seems to be really good. You should try to get in contact with him. He might have some suggestions on how to use your patriot ram. They may not be optimal, but there might be something he knows that might be interesting to you. And it would probably be a good contact to make anyway.
I have the 32GB 8200MT/s Patriot kits and they have been horrible on my AM5 9800X3D system so far. Currently not sure if I should keep or return and get different kits.
@@Artaxeus 8000 has tormented bz for 3 years, for some reason he seems to be obsessed with it. You're in luck though, amd 9000 series may be the easiest to run at those speeds. I think he's had a fair amount of success with 8000 even on some higher end 4 slot boards. Watch some bz vids on running 8k on amd 9k series and try asking in the patriot forums. I wouldn't expect 8200, or honestly even 8000 to work, but 8000 should be very achievable with a little luck. And, for instance, if you look at, say, the asrock taichi, there's an asterisk for it's support for the few 8200 kits it supports (not patriot), that 8200 support depends on the quality of the CPU. That was just the first random motherboard mem qvl I looked at
I have actually seen a dust bunny between the case and a pci card short out and killed the whole computer.
metal shop dust bunny?
I didn't get the back story on that one, but it wasn't even close to some of the dirtiest computers that I have seen that were overheating.
Definitely try the 48gb kits with this board next, that will be very interesting!
Hello Buildzoid, I have same patriot 8000 kits. I am using these kits on x870e hero motherboard. These kits are very stubborn when comes to timings. No other timings work except following:
Tcl 38, trcd 48, trp 48, tras 60, trc 108, trrds 8, trrdl 16, tfaw 32, twtrs 7, twtrl 32, twr 48, trdrdscl 8, twrwrscl 8, trtp 12, trdwr 16, twrrd 2. No matter how much voltage you shove it these kits wont work except these timings. Passed 24 hrs karhu, 3 hr ycruncher vt3, 25 cycles of tm5 1usmus.
You have to run patriot with loose timings. They dont like tight timings
@@PuneetGupta724 Damn I tried loose primaries but didn't try loose tRRDs and tWTR
The Viper Xtreme 5 8200 was used by Snakeeyes for his 6305.8 MHz DDR5 speed world record but it seems that it doesn't like some timings being tightened.
hey, can you share your timings please? I got the same memory with X870e-e motherboard, trying to stabilize memory.
@@iarwa1n635 I got the 32GB 8200 MT/s Patriot kits. Have you found good timings?
The ARdPtrInitVal setting for tPHYRDL on an MSI X670E Gaming PLUS WiFi newest Beta BIOS either does nothing or ZenTimings reading is bugged. My Patriot 64GB Kit always runs at 34/36 on either Auto/1/0. Didn't try higher than 1. I'm running at 6.400 1:1 mode.
Ordered a R7 8700F and gonna see if the Tomahawk handles memory well with the 8000-series. Hoping for DDR5-8400+
I’d expect the Gskill expo kit to work with gdm off but not kits rated below 8000. It’s not impossible for one to do so but unlikely in my experience.
I'm kind of curious to see the results of setting ARdPtrintVal P0 to 0, if only for the knowledge.
Have you done any 7000 corsair kits to 8000 on the 9800x3d?
vddio 1.45 fatal for the processor?
Only A die kit that i couldn't do 8000 with was a T create 6400-cl32 kit but that was on an x870e master
thinkin of getting x670e tomahawk cus price, is the msi x870 tomahawk pretty much directly comparable to the msi x670e tomahawk in terms of cpu/ram oc capability and compatibility?
For some reason ARdPtrInitVal P0 set to 1 haven't evened-out memory sticks on my setup. Readout values were 38-40, now they became 36-38. It's a dual-rank RAM kit so maybe that's the issue here ?
I ran into the same problem with a different kit.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I'm not sure you'll see this follow-up message but I've figured it would be good to share my findings. On Aorus boards the default P0 value is 3, 1 doesn't affect tPHYRDL, but setting it to 2 actually evens out this timing for both dual-rank sticks
How would you go about configuring memory speed/timings for gaming/maximum stability?
It would be interesting to see if 0.1% and 1% lows in games change due to RDL's being mismatched. Games where AMD seems to suffer more than Intel is what may be something good to check.
Hi! Any chance you could do the same testing/recommendations for Lexar Ares 7200MT/s 32GB kits?😅
LD5U16G72C34LA-RGD
When you mention p95, is that 13 hours of large or blend?
it's Large
After the Raptor Lake debacle I wanna see what's up with Arrow Lake and it's potential for overclocking?
I know Intel dropped the ball (again). I just wanna if something can be salvaged. Also I don't wanna switch from my 9800X3D. 😅
What could be the cause of mine 7800x3d and my kit can't even start running benchmark with tRDRDSC at 1? , I had a dominator platinum a die 7200, it runs fine stock, but in 8k tight timmings it just not like it, could be the Mobo? X670e steel legend?.
IDK I just straight up don't test with SC set higher than 1 because it hurts performance so much.
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking thanks, I will find out what can be this, if I put it on 2 it works for hours and hours, just this particular trimming it does not work pretty well on 8k, is there a timming can affect tRDRDSC?.
I have the same motherboard and cpu but if i enable high memory voltages it will not boot no matter what the voltages are. Does this mean board is bad or is this a memory thing? Any thoughts on this?
probably an issue with the memory kit.
Hey, BZ. Waiting for 2x32Gb kits on AM5!
Could you try with dual rank M-Die 16GB 8000MT/s?
you do realize that 16Gb M-die struggles to go past 7200 right?
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking oh I'm sorry, I didn't know it
hey bz, CL36 its working ? thanks mem timings beast 💪
Should be fine with 36/34 with more vdd voltage (1.5-1.6), possibly more soc also
@@alexunkin VSOC doesn't do anything for CL
@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking good to know thanks.. I was playing with cl+ gdm off and it seemed to need more vsoc but it was probably the gdm setting as opposed to cl
Would like to see you try 8000mhz with dual rank a die hynix for "funsies" since the zen6 architecture will come with a interposer multiple sources state that across the "leaker" community and i guess thats how AMD will gain the IPC uplift without doing much to the cores themself other than optimising the memory interface to its limits
I thought your 9950X was 6400 stable and a good sample… sorry it’s a potato! Mine won’t do 6400 without much tweaking, 6200 is fine tightened up. Have no idea if it’ll do 8000.
well it's potato for 2:1 and good for 1:1 so depends on what the criteria is
would you daily this OC?
sure I didn't notice any concerning behaviour when setting this up.
Just my experience but I've been running 38-48-42-42 @ 8000 daily on my B650 Gigabyte ITX board without issues. You really have to let HCI Memtest reach at least 800% in order to assure no late instability occurs though.
Lubz
Now the problem is c+b=a
just common 😅
My dual rank a die kit tops out at 7200. Do u think it’s the memory controller limiting me could it possibly be a motherboard. It’s a srocks b650e steel
I've not tested dual rank much so I really don't know what it would be. I've seen some people manage 7600+ with dual rank but that's always been on ASUS boards IIRC
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking I've got dual-rank 64gb kit (Corsair Vengeance RGB 6600 CL32 with A-die) and I had a hard time to run them at 7600 error-less on Aorus x870e Pro board. I blame not mature enough BIOS but maybe it's where it tops for dual-rank for now
Can you the use the hero I’m trying to learn ASUS bios
What a struggle it is on amd even with the new cpus/chipset. On intel u just load xmp 8000 or more and gucci😂
no? there's a reason he only posts 8000 videos on ryzen
@catonturtle3202 becuz he hates 14th gen. Literally any xmp above 8000 is only made for intel atleast until mid 2024. Most videos on youtube about any ram pc above 8000 is intel only.
@@dvr1337 I can't make videos about things that don't work. It's not my fault that intel's XMP never works at 8000.
@@ActuallyHardcoreOverclocking i had several ram kits. 8000 32gb, 8200 48gb, 8400 48gb. They all worked out of the box with 13th gen. I gave my 8200 kit to a friend with 14th gen and different board and it also worked without doing anything.