@@jpiggymafia its cold af when Hov does it, the man went from hustling to a billionaire. Tho drake wouldn't sound best doin it cus he and hov in completely different lanes
I didn't even recognize you. Love your work man. Your analysis of the qualities that make an artist goat tier gives me hope that artist can be top tier and strive to be unique.
My issue I have is people saying “Drake is too old to be rapping about this” All while listening to 45 year old Pusha T or 50yr old Hov rap about selling drugs. Durk is 30 with god knows how many kids rapping about goin on drills. Future is almost 40 still rapping about being toxic. All these artists still have the same topics they did 10 years ago. They make music for people in their teens and 20s because those are on the ones who pack shows and stand in lines for new merch.
Rapping about your past is not the same as rapping about your present. Pusha T and Hov are obviously over that period in their life. Lil Durk is not making his means off of drugs or organized crime anymore. It is in the past. Push is married and has a kid, Hov is married too. They have matured and progressed beyond that, and especially Hov has come to grips with misogyny and objectification topically. The issue is that Drake is rapping about his present. It is not about his past, it is him currently doing so. And yet, there has been zero progression pertaining to his lyrical content about his current life. There hasn't been a separation nor a shift in his present or past actions yet. There is no reflection, there is no new narrative spin or framing. It is just the same stagnation of not only his music, but his character as a person.
@@Matthew-cx9gj Jay Z and Pusha brag about how they've hurt thousands of people in their own community for monetary gain in the form of selling drugs. Drake is a saint compared to those two, and they STILL GLORIFY the atrocities they committed to their OWN community.
Some people clown Hov for making "portfolio raps", the last time he really made an album around like drugs was American Gangster and that album was based/inspired from the movie
@@Matthew-cx9gj i think most people don’t rly care about the content and how Drake is progressing through life. It’s rly only the people that are heavily critical that care about it. Most people just want something to get hype to or vibe with. If it sounds good then that’s all that matters. I bet if he rapped about being a dad and his age most people would complain about not wanting to hear that
The thing is, and this isn't specific to Drake, is that there will always be a market for this kind of music. As a musician's fans grow out of a certain group of feelings, newer fans will grow into them, so there isn't really an impetus to grow, change or improve if the musician doesn't want to.
Agreed. People are attached to the sound of an artist that originally got them attached in the first place. They keep seeking that sound but the artist evolves over time and they’re disappointed continuously. Perfect example is Shawn mentioning in his review that “his strengths 5 years ago aren’t his strengths anymore”. Shawn’s dissapointed Cus he isn’t hearing what got him attacheded to drake anymore.
@@DM0GUL no it’s that’s Shawn has gotten older so what initially attracted him to Drake at his younger age wouldn’t be the same now that he’s older. I mean developmental staging is not a difficult concept to comprehend. Lol 😂
@@DM0GUL the point is Drake hasn’t evolved! So it’s not that’s Shawn is disappointed because he isn’t hearing what got him attracted to Drake, it’s the fact that we are STILL hearing it! Lmao 🤣 Drake has giving us the same material over the years. It was cool then because not only was it good but because it was fitting at the time. We’ve aged but the music has not and that’s the criticism. What was once a strength for Drake isn’t so much anymore unless you are a complete stan and just take what he gives.
I've been seeing those takes and I've just accepted that I'm getting older and I'm not supposed to understand what's "in." The project was cool, but it's not in the same category as his older stuff.
Agreed. I personally think that's his best project. And the only Project of his that I actually purchased on CD (even tho it was bootleg from the barbershop) 🤷🏿♂️😂. Released 2.14.15
Facts bruh. I enjoyed dark lane demo tapes so much. Not you too(one of the best/my favorite songs he’s ever dropped), Time Flies, Chicago Freestyle, Pain 1993, When to say when, & Deep Pockets were some of the best songs he’s dropped post 2018 imo🤷🏾♂️.
It is a little weird to hear Drake still going on the playboy persona thing at his age. An introspective Drake album with songs like Champagne Poetry, When To Say When, 6PM in NY, Emotionless would be amazing. The whole ‘I sleep with women’ thing is a weird flex when youre pushing 40.
A lot of people say a Drake album flooded with his Time/Place series would be too one dimensional but I think a whole project full of those State Of The Union, hookless vent sessions, is absolutely needed. We haven't heard enough of it from him and not anytime recently aside from 7AM On Bridle Path which was solid. A seven, maybe eight track EP/Album of that alone would be crazy.
Buying Drake's new shit is like buying his old albums but without the passion or creativity. It's like making a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. The quality degrades with each copy. Jay Z actually evolved so that makes sense for him to say, he wasn't talking about the same thing on Reasonable Doubt as he was on 4:44
@@coleburne7048 It makes perfect sense. People are ever-changing and constantly adjusting to new conditions. You can't recreate the past only learn and/or be molded by it.
Drake’s best run was 2011-2015. You could even argue 2011-2016 from a pure success standpoint, due to Views, even though I personally don’t like that album and never have. However, TC/NTWS/IYRTITL/WATTBA was easily Drake’s hot streak. He was virtually untouchable despite his beefs, his features killed, and he controlled the industry in such a dominant way that he was the leading tastemaker in hip-hop’s sound and had a major influence on a lot of upcoming rappers’ careers in some form or fashion during that period of time.
When an artist reaches a certain level of success and a long discography, that artist is constantly competing against themselves. In this case, someone like Jay-Z shines because he treats his music like art, instead of chasing or setting the next trend.
I love this perspective. For most artists someone who's first album dropped 14 years ago we wouldn't be expecting them to be dropping their best material this deep into their career. Thats why for me I feel like this is his best album since either Views or IYRTITL. He is at least playing to his strengths on this album even if it's not as great as he was ten years ago. It is an improvement but doesn't get out of the meh - decent range. Also I'm calling it now, Anthony fantano strong 6 to light 7
@@TheNegativeContrarian solid production, some nice witty bars here and there, 21 getting his own timestamp track, the travis feature. i get not liking it, but come on. not understanding why anybody would like it is absurd💀
So if we have any opinions about Drake or his music, we got to be broke?! So if Drake wasn’t as hot as he is and popular as he his, would that make us broke?!
This whole narrative about drake being too old to rap about being single and shit is really absurd tbh. Future is an artist touching 40 still rapping about toxicity or artists like kanye or rick ross or even taylor swift, shes 32 and released a album about teenage heartbreak and got praised for it.
I expected this album to be more of a "what a time to be alive" album more so than a "if youre reading this its too late " ANNNNNNND it delivered, thats honestly all there is too it.
I want an elder Drake album. An album of Drake being wise and mature and grown and shows development in his personality rather than acting like a 20 year old single party animal. I want to hear Drake go off on emotional beats (like the one in Jimmy Cooks MV) spitting introspective thoughts and commentaries on the rap game as a veteran. With the amount of rappers we are losing lately, I wanna hear an album about that, not Her Loss, but just Loss.
yes you can have fun that age but that’s not where people are saying. its like those people that never really want to grow up doing teenager things as adults. They refuse to look in to the mirror and acknowledge a certain time has passed. There’s nothing wrong with growing up.
@@kevincervantes427 bro… Leonardo DiCaprio, Jeff Bezos, Hugh Hefner, Dan Bilzerian, Al Pacino, Nas, 50 Cent, etc… there plenty of guys well past his age who aren’t settled down. It’s a normal thing, he’s just open about it.
I’m really enjoying this album. I also try not to take music THAT seriously in my personal life unless it’s made by some deplorable human being, which is subjective to the listener. Also, I’m not looking for most of my favs to grow sonically per say. I think this was Drake doing Drake best and I enjoyed that because I like his music. For example, Curren$y is one of my favorite rappers and most of his music is interchangeable, but does the job and he’s aware of that. So I extend the same grace to Drake. Thanks for the content though mang love your videos
I really enjoyed this album. It's not better than his best work but leagues better than the work he's put out in recent years. I personally still like the bachelor playboy persona. I still wish that we could get an album full of songs like middle pf the ocean. I think that would be his greatest project. I appreciated that he rapped for most of the project tho.
I’ll say it like this, even if you’re not a popular rapper/singer/painter anything, it’s hard to recapture a certain period in your life , that made you write or sing or paint a certain way. You see life different based on the experiences you’ve been thru. The proof that drake realized this is that last tape Honestly, never mind and when he had that Jamaican phase. He felt he needed to reinvent himself and step outside the norm to get his name back out there. I’m not a drake Stan but I remember being a rapper in high school and hearing older kids from hs rap and I thought they were so talented and wondered why they eventually stopped rapping. It wasn’t just life taking priority, it’s the things you were going thru and the people you’re around that help me make the songs hot. When you’re no longer in that exact environment it’s harder to recapture that feeling to give to your fans. I’ve had people from hs surprised me and tell me how cold I was in hs and ask what happened. I try to write nowadays but I don’t have the same feeling. It just feels like task, like something I have to do, like hw or something. It’s just not the same anymore and that happens to all of us. Nobody thinks 4:44 hov is better than Reasonable doubt hov. Although his mind may be sharper, his knowledge base expanded and his rap skills improved people don’t resonate with the music as much. You need to be a certain amount of dumbed down for the masses but witty enough for them to think you’re a genius. It’s a hard place for any creative person to be in. This tape was exactly what I expect from drake. Not the best but not the worst…I mean he’s no Lupe level of rapper at all and has never been, he just creates experiences for us and drake’s experience has gotten old by now. I agree with comments saying he should drop some grown man music
Ay bruh the advice I’d give to you from one rapper to another. Stop trying to recreate a feeling from years ago in your art THEN in your art NOW. It can’t work. Never will. Like you said, the way your art sounded then was dependent upon where you were at in your life at the time. But you gotta move forward. The problem with us (as humans really) is that we’re always trying to go back instead of move forward. We’re always chasing nostalgia. And that’s the problem. That’s exactly why people prolly think 4:44 Hov isn’t better than RD Hov when if you look at the music honestly and objectively, he really is better and more mature, at that lol. We gotta stop chasing what once was and instead start chasing what’s to come. Gotta enjoy where you’re at now for what it is. So when you write, make sure you’re encapsulated in where you’re at in your life NOW. Cuz thas where your best art comes from anyway, where you’re at in the moment. Why you think Kendrick’s music always feels fresh and can draw you in every time time he drops? Cuz he’s never going back to chase an old feeling. He’s always creating new ones based on where he’s at currently in life. So basically stop tryn rap from the perspective of the old you. Be the new one and embrace him in your art.
Thing is some people(boomers) mainly know Drake from the last 5 years, but growing up listening to him you'll know he had much better albums in the days then now, but I don't blame him for the quality of the music now, it's just that the times have changed I meant Gen Z my Bad 😭😂
Drake was actually putting some thought into the writing this time, that's why anyone is paying attention. You can't tell me he wasn't going off on some of these verses. Maybe that was a calculated move because 21 has some pretty good bars across the album. I feel like there were a lot of good elements put together on this album, it's more a patchwork collage than a cohesive album. You get these harmonies between some trap beats that don't really fit together but you get the sense they could have been their own joint. As far as the content criticisms, I'm not sure what Drake is supposed to be rapping about at 36. I don't really want to see the next phase of Drake because I really think it's going to be some kind of Pitbull arc where he just farms mainstream pop music and calls it "maturity". Do we really want to hear Drake rap about his personal life the way Kanye does? Do we want him rapping about drugs like Pusha T? Drake knows his lane. He's the guy who keeps his shit together. He shows it can be done at the highest levels. Drake is copium for the masses.
. It's at the point where Drake's so heavily critiqued because he hasn't fallen off yet. The album is good! He has literally put out the most varied catalog as anyone else, besides Kanye. If he made six "Take Care" albums in a row, everyone would be complaining about him being a one-trick pony and he needs to switch it up. But, people will always find a way to hate.
Don’t necessarily disagree with your first point but to say Drake’s discography isn’t as varied as Kendrick or like Cudi is just untrue. People go to Drake because in a lot of ways he’s very predictable. Not necessarily a bad thing
Ngl some of this is cap bruh. Drake is heavily criticized for putting out lackluster music far too often. It feels like he is just mailing it in a lot of the time and he damn near 40 still acting like he 25 in his music. I appreciate him trying to try something different with Honesty nvm but even that sounded lackluster and half done
@@darylvondutch6096 no we don’t want to hear about stocks 💀 we also don’t want this man to be rapping like he is 24 again. That shid gets old. If we wanted to hear that we would listen back to when he was 24 and it was better quality. It’s like talking to a guy that only talks about his good days back in high school like come bruh. If you want to hear that go right ahead my boy. I’m not gonna stop you
@@k.anthony2399 I ran this game so hard I think I am Iranian. That’s basically an example of the level of lyrics that this album had. No one is expecting Drake to go super lyrical, but it seemed like he just didn’t give a fuck on this. The deepest he ever got was talking bout how he can’t find love. To me it’s almost like he just shitted this think out with no care for the quality. This won’t win aoty and if it does it’s strictly off of drakes reputation. Drake is washed and this almbum was dawg shit. Literally almost every Drake song is skippable. 21 was mediocre as hell and to me he out did Drake cuz he was less boring. Overall just not compelling enough to surface level
I feel like Drake and 21 have a somewhat symbiotic relationship. Association with 21 Savage gives Drake some semblance of street cred, while collaboration with Drake gives 21 some chart presence
I don’t always think music has to be relatable for it to be enjoyable. I still enjoyed this album quite a bit but in all honesty trying to compare drakes top hits to his new stuff is always going to let you down. It was a special moment that i don’t think can ever be recreated.
It's funny because lately, a lot of drake's old music (from if you're reading this as far back as so far gone) has been popping up on my gym playlists and to Shauns point about just playing old Drake is fucking true. It's LITERALLY the same content but everything from what a time to be alive (I'll begrudgingly include some cuts from views and more life) back to his first albums are all we really need now, and that's the unfortunate reality of being a Drake fan.
I think the issue also is that we have a society that CONSTANTLY promotes youthfulness. No one is celebrating becoming older. “Maturity”’really doesn’t sell from my experience and let’s be real, there is a lot of ageism at play. I like Drake. He is one of my favorite artists of all time but I think that he is also just a Victim of the culture
"Lack of ambition" is the perfect way to describe Drake's work for nearly a decade now. Let me guess, on his best days over the next few projects as he's turning 40 he'll still be talking about how many bitches he's got over lazy beats, and on his worst he'll be making Honestly, Nevermin 2.
Her Loss is just a good Drake album. Not his worst and nowhere near his best. Cuts like Middle of the Ocean were a nice return to form in terms of classic Drake
7am in bridle path, You only live twice, fair trade, knife talk, and No Friends in the Industry all were bangers. Champagne poetry and The Remorse also give us those introspective drizzy.
I think if Drakes next album can be fully focused and conceptual type of album it will bang truly. He has momentum right now and we've seen Drake with momentum already. With Take Care, IYRTITL and NWTS. We genuinely could be gearing up for a prime Drake return. Hopefully. Maybe. Hopefully
This album represents how high drakes floor is on any given album. I personally like all of them, but you have to sit back and pick out which songs actually “hit”. I have at least half the album on repeat even though some call the songs the worst. When you buy into the music, then that’s where you have the most enjoyment. Even with honestly never mind. Definitely not my style, but he found away to have me cater to it
Niggas can never just enjoy the music and vibe these days. We’re listening to HER LOSS because it’s a dope project. Good beats and fun lyrics and some great wordplay. Y’all serious us out every time smh
Fr and ppl are mad that he diss some ppl but thats what the rap game is abt. I feel like ppl get mad when he tryna to express how he feels. Ppl saying he told old to rap abt stuff yet u have other artist who still singing or rapping like they are in their 20s. Prime example… kanye and mj. Yet no one wants to criticize them even tho they way older then drake. Ig its a trend on drake and even tho he drops songs that ppl want him to release he still gets hate.
Why do u keep bringing up age lol. Future is older than drake and his content is not anymore mature than drakes lol. If a song is good (or even bad) tf does age matter for.
Bro this album just showed even tho Drake is pushing 40 he still can get in his bag and SHOW why he’s always been the top tier rapper/artist. This whole tape slaps hard af
You have to remember to take different artists for what they are. Yes Drake's lyrics are borderline absurd for a 36 y/o but his music is for cars and going to the gym. You'll never get a Cole/Kendrick "lyricist" style Drake project bcos it's not his style. He doesn't care.
2:18 *“Anything smells like air freshner when you’ve been sniffing sh*t for so long”* JESUS🤣💀💀. Couldn’t have used a more perfect analogy to summarize a lot of Drakes albums post-IYRTITL lol
I dont understand the hate of the concept that 21 is the sidekick. Its a cool concept and obviously 21 savage had to be given his name on the title for his contribution to most songs. Its just a hero sidekick kind of thing and im a big fan of 21 savage. This makes me excited for 21s future stuff
tbh we can’t blame drake for progressing like this like he didn’t warn us in his younger days it was gonna come but still i feel the same.. but ima sum it up like this drake use to make music we can relate to.. felt like took us along the journey .. literally almost every bar you can relate to before IYRTITL.. but at some point after that drake rose to a level that not many ppl can relate to or even be in so the things he’s tryna paint to us in these new albums sounds like a rich man tryna hold on his to his roots but still fit the times.. instead of tryna maintain his roots if that makes sense but nonetheless this is honestly the story he’s been tryna tell us all along.. but one day i hope dude gets back to his roots soon than later.
Drake reminds me a lot of Marvel and is a good study in Art vs Commerce. At some point Drake chose the money over the art and within the system we are in it's easy for that to happen. There is a conflation between something making a lot of money and being popular as a marker for high artistic quality, when really, it's more a thing where SOMETIMES those two things coexist within a piece of art. I'm sure the budget for Her Loss is bigger than Take Care, but is there even a discussion about which one is better? I think it's interesting to look at Drake's contemporaries like Kendrick and The Weeknd. Kendrick on every album is taking some kind of chance, he doesn't need to because his rapping ability is so good and interesting that he could just coast on that, but he doesn't. The Weeknd is closer to what would probably be ideal for someone like a Drake, where you still want huge popularity, but you aren't just looking at a template or an algorithm and are finding ways to combine mass appeal with artistry. Drake should be recognized for making HipHop the number 1 genre in the world, but in terms of artistry he has stagnated, and I would be surprised if he can hold on to his relevancy through the 2020's.
Cee is spitting facts…the bar of expectations on a new drake album is constantly declining Just remember the time when Nothing was the Same dropped…For me personally after Views my expectations for every new album from him were shrinking more and more. When you do a collab with 21 and you are drake why don’t you really put effort into this and create a real concept album with a theme and a real ambition. Clb, NH and Her Loss is all the same mixture or Trap, Rnb, House. I don’t see any concept or idea
What do you niggas want to hear from drake several different sounds different flows production is A1 great content buts it’s not enough since it’s drake
@@darylvondutch6096 productionwise all good but for me it’s the lack of substance and content. I mean Her Loss is totally the same shit like Clb…same beats same atmosphere, same lyrics. When you do a collab with 21 and you are drake why don’t you really put effort into this and create a real concept album with a theme and a real ambition. Look at Wattba…its a masterpiece of an album with future But Clb, Honestly Nevermind and Herr Loss are all the same
@@sickpicasso9563 do you niggas like good music or not😂 y’all will always find something to complain about bc y’all don’t like good music y’all want drake to not be drake
Was taken aback during CLB when he talks about his alcoholism on Champagne Poetry. Idk whether people just want this Bachelor vibe so he delivers or if he genuinely feels he has nothing to offer other than this, speaking as someone who liked it a lot but recognizes the quality drop
Her Loss is a breath of fresh air after the releases of CLB and HN. Take Care, NWTS, and IYRTITL are classics and anything that came after those drops were mid at best. Part of the reason is Drakes fan base. The man is a genius at knowing that his fan base will accept and eat up anything that he releases. Unfortunately it sucks for us real Drake fans that want bars and songs that don’t cater to the most part this tik tok generation and his experience with women even at his big age.
Thank me Later is pretty forgettable imo it doesn’t have that same lasting impact that Take Care and NWTS gave. People to this day are heavily listening to Take Care, NWTS, and IYRTITL. More Life is one of the better Drake projects post IYRTITL.
We’re at a point in time where there is a potential major shift to occur in hip hop and mainstream culture. With YSL facing an indictment and what that entails for major music corporations pertaining to whether or not they are funding criminal enterprises as well as the violent deaths of the likes of Nip, Take, PNB, DOLPH etc. Drake is a pivotal piece of that potential shift. He chose to continue to indulge in placing heavy real violence on records with savage going as far as claiming he’ll “spin his parents” if he can’t get “him” .. at this point this content is redundant and real life dangerous to continue to push. We should pay more attention to Kendrick Lamar who is addressing family trauma and choosing peace over chaos. IMO.
As I get older the way I view rap culture ig has slowly been doing a 180, like shit like rap beefs and or the lifestyle used to looks so cool to me, it even got to the point that I started to do dumb shit cause I thought it was cool, drugs, scamming, selling weed. But now after experiencing a lot of negative things in my life, for example, one of my friends got stabbed and bled to death over a girl. Experiences like this have really soured the feeling that I have towards a lot of rap music nowadays. I Just hope at some point these negative parts of the culture gets addressed by everyone, cause I only see it getting worst.
Totally understand your point! To me it’s more about the beat selection and the art direction that I get bothered. It’s the same for years. Subject matter I feel is personal to him and reflects his life that none of us in the comment section can relate to.
I feel like drake sometimes is rated differently than many artist out rn just because of his status his the biggest rap artist for over a decade with so many projects, Her Loss was a solid project gave aspects of rap that people look for, Drake has created his own lane I feel if he just completely matured and made old man rap out of no where he would fail and fall off , this is what he’s known for and it’s what sells
A 10? What are you smoking on? You're saying there is no level above this album? The thought of a 21 x Drake album is so much harder than what they actually gave us, yea its a good album but it could have been better than WATTBA and it wasn't, doesnt even come close to some of his previous projects
@@lovescars her loss was better than wattba the wordplay is way crazier. It's Middle of the ocean, broke boys , rich flex, major distribution and I guess it's fuck me vs big rings and jumpman🤷🏾♂️ it's no comparison to me
Am i the only one who doesn't care about personal things like drakes age? if the music is good and relatable i don't care about small personal details about who is making it or anything about their personal life to an extent, obviously there's other limits to that like Eminem being 50 & making a song about being in his bedroom hating on his step dad as if it's still a problem LOL that just doesn't make sense but nah if you're really a single bachelor i don't care if you're "pushing 40" more power to him if he's able to keep that lifestyle and still be happy at that age, that's a dream for some people, not for me personally but i don't see it as unethical, maybe i'm trippin but it sounds like shawn says it like it's a terrible thing or something :/
In all honesty this just doesn’t matter and solely applies because he’s Drake and there really isn’t much to critique him on. Future is also old but nobody mentions his age while making similar music. Another thing, musically Drake released three really good albums in a short space of time. In all honesty, there might be a minute population that thinks CLB, Honestly Nevermind and Her Loss are mid at best. However there is an even larger portion that enjoys music for what it is with no desire to have an opinion on it that genuinely love these albums. That is why his streams are so high.
Yeah i agree. Idk what this new take ab his age is. It seems like he’s the only rapper it relates to. Like who cares ab his age? Like you said, if it’s relatable and good then who gaf how old he is?
it’s not that it’s terrible. shawn even says he liked the album. it’s that it’s been the same old thing with drake for YEARS. keeping to the same subject matter, album after album, mix tape after mix tape, leaves the impression he hasn’t evolved. there’s got to be more going on in his life for him talk about other than his money, sexcapades, and disappointment in women, something more on his mind. at least, i hope so. it’s lacking depth and getting boring. i want to believe drake is so much more interesting than these stale topics he’s been on forever. he has the talent (and intelligence) to go beyond the surface level shit and create music with more substance that’s about more than sex and money. it sucks to say this and i will anyway: this is why he doesn’t get quite the same type of respect as j. cole and kendrick - he stays shallow. and i adore drake!
Apart from the quality (or lack thereof) of this album the idea that a 36 year-old is too old to be talking about his dating/sex life is a little terrifying
Y'know.... Drake is a tough artist to love. I personally think 2 things limited his potential as an artist (not as a money maker because he obviously has that on lock): lack of growth and not taking enough time between projects (maybe leave the cringe and creepy bars on the cutting room floor). I think this album was a rush to cleanse the taste of Honestly Nevermind from our palettes. Bringing in 21 was on line with TH-camrs who bring their dog out when they have to apologize for something. Because who hates 21, right? Maybe immigration.
This was a great project, enjoyable and a step into the right direction music wise from drake. Commercially drake will never fall off or can't fall off at this point unless something catastrophic happens; music wise though? I don't think he has much left to say as when he started or in his prime (NWTS and IYRTITL era) or he isn't invested anymore in make a full body of work like that anymore.
Broke Boys and Middle of the Ocean could clear a lot on Scorpion and What a Time but ok… EDIT: After a week, A LOT on this album from Drake clears scorp and what a time !!
Since Pusha T, i cant take any of Drake's "call outs" or "Disses". The man starting fights with people that don't even mention him but refuses to talk back to the man that OBLITERATED him
The fetishising trauma point was very important. We can’t lie. 99% of Kanye fans got excited when him and Kim broke up, on the idea of him making some masterpiece from the fallout and heartbreak.
I think realistically drake drops so consistently its hard to experiment properly. Alotta rappers from his era do not drop as often. I think that's a big reason for the lack of creativity.
The beauty of Drake is…… regardless of what any idiot with a mic says. He’s been everlasting. This guy listed albums that are still charting half a decade later as “lowering the bar” one day people have to understand, music isn’t made just for them. You might be nearly done listening to Drake but I promise you circle back in 5 years and he’ll still be here dropping his 20th number one album that had music at a standstill. Just like he was 5 years ago when people said he was done. Or 10/15 years ago when people said take care was emo soft and trash.
lol this man swallowing somehow. jheez. "Or 10/15 years ago when people said take care was emo soft and trash." were you punching air defending every inch of that album too? It's all perfect to you?
That's baffling how some thought Take Care was soft, I know everyone is different but personally i feel that was his best album, fall of 2011 was unforgettable to me..
I love how people, like this TH-cam content creator, SUPER ANALYZE drakes material unlike other artists and claim he’s music is “decent” or “trash” but why do you take your time to put so much energy into just ANALYZING his music and moves??? Just enjoy the music while drake is alive dude
It's fascinating how people receive drake's work over the years. I understand.the standpoint of wanting a shift in the lyrical content goes giving but at the same time (not to compare or use whataboutism), why is he one of the only artists whose fans and critics want to “grow up”? A lot of other rappers haven't changed what they rap about, and they are even older. When drake raps about how he's a dad and managing being a co-parent, I see dudes saying that's boring or they dub the album as mid (clb, scorpion). Like man I just feel like as a drake fan people are just being over critical. I blame it on him being so consistent and fans being so reminiscent of the past. Like ofc people are going to think his older music is the greatest and cannot be touch, because memories are tied and associated with them and you've been replaying them for so long.
Facts. It's at the point where Drake's so heavily critiqued because he hasn't fallen off yet. The album is good! He has literally put out the most varied catalog as anyone else, besides Kanye. If he made six "Take Care" albums in a row, everyone would be complaining about him being a one-trick pony and he needs to switch it up. But, people will always find a way to hate.
I've been listening to hip-hop and rap from about 2014, being a white dude from Australia I was super disconnected to the scene and had literally no personal stake in any of it. I was 14 years old listening to biggie, that evolved into people like MF DOOM, Aesop rock and now mainly listen to griselda, JID and contemporaries. I've tried listening to Drakes older projects, and honestly I really don't find much enjoyment from any of his back catalogue, maybe it just wasn't from my era? Her Loss is the first Drake project I'm genuinely invested in, listening to the songs that go hardest on repeat and forgetting the rest of the album. I would venture to guess that because of his status of a legend, the songs that go hard will be remembered until they grow stale, and the rest of the albums lack of substance will fall to the wayside once the production has stopped carrying the songs. Bitter is a bad look on most people, the only reason it doesn't seem so ugly on Drake is because he can cover it up in the millions of dollars he has made from his industry.
I like every drake album for what it is cuz I'm not a hater and I appreciate the evolution and versatility in his art form, do I like every song on every album? No but I am happy to get new drake music at the end of the day. That's your opinion Shawn but drake gon be around till he can't and or doesn't want to anymore, whether you like it or not someone will
something i think goes hand in hand with what youre saying about his maturity level that i havent really seen talked about is how often he brings up popping pills on this album, which I feel like he hardly used to do, tho I will admit I havent listened to every single song hes dropped the last few years, it felt really out of place to hear Drake cut the beat out to try and have a whole ass inner monologue debating on the amount of percocet to take or him rapping abt getting laced pills or trying ecstasy for the first time, like ur waiting til ur 40 and a dad to now start taking molly LOL, idk Im not saying like it offended me or anything it was just something that stuck out to me
Was listening to the album today and thought the same. I think it’s a solid project, it sounds good and it’s consistent. But it’s def weird how he got into those types of drugs in his mid 30s. He seemed more mature a decade ago
i’m starting to think drake has been hiding behind the weeknd, quinton miller, partynextdoor, the entire ovo camp and god knows who else this entire time.
In your opinion lmao, I love everything from views on prolly more than his older work. What is so hard to comprehend and I seem to remember you enjoying most these projects during your reaction too
Drake is the world's oldest teenager
Kanye*
😂😂
Comment of the fkn day right here lmao
Literally.
Damn.
The day Drake drops a mature album for a man at his big age will be a great day
As long as he don’t start giving us bars about stocks and investing like Hov
The day drake remembers he's not 18 is the day the world ends
@@jpiggymafia its cold af when Hov does it, the man went from hustling to a billionaire. Tho drake wouldn't sound best doin it cus he and hov in completely different lanes
The guy has peaked.
I want to hear a rapper actually talk about real life, I’m tired of hearing about death drugs and money. Tell us what’s really going on.
I feel like Drake and 21 teamed up because the Queen died. 🤷🏿♂
Real
I think it’s because he wants to be 21.
What are the chances The Company Man is in these comments? He's just like any other user of TH-cam.
I didn't even recognize you. Love your work man. Your analysis of the qualities that make an artist goat tier gives me hope that artist can be top tier and strive to be unique.
give this man a checkmark
My issue I have is people saying “Drake is too old to be rapping about this”
All while listening to 45 year old Pusha T or 50yr old Hov rap about selling drugs. Durk is 30 with god knows how many kids rapping about goin on drills. Future is almost 40 still rapping about being toxic.
All these artists still have the same topics they did 10 years ago. They make music for people in their teens and 20s because those are on the ones who pack shows and stand in lines for new merch.
Rapping about your past is not the same as rapping about your present. Pusha T and Hov are obviously over that period in their life. Lil Durk is not making his means off of drugs or organized crime anymore. It is in the past. Push is married and has a kid, Hov is married too. They have matured and progressed beyond that, and especially Hov has come to grips with misogyny and objectification topically.
The issue is that Drake is rapping about his present. It is not about his past, it is him currently doing so. And yet, there has been zero progression pertaining to his lyrical content about his current life. There hasn't been a separation nor a shift in his present or past actions yet. There is no reflection, there is no new narrative spin or framing. It is just the same stagnation of not only his music, but his character as a person.
@@Matthew-cx9gj Jay Z and Pusha brag about how they've hurt thousands of people in their own community for monetary gain in the form of selling drugs. Drake is a saint compared to those two, and they STILL GLORIFY the atrocities they committed to their OWN community.
Some people clown Hov for making "portfolio raps", the last time he really made an album around like drugs was American Gangster and that album was based/inspired from the movie
@@Matthew-cx9gj great answer
@@Matthew-cx9gj i think most people don’t rly care about the content and how Drake is progressing through life. It’s rly only the people that are heavily critical that care about it. Most people just want something to get hype to or vibe with. If it sounds good then that’s all that matters. I bet if he rapped about being a dad and his age most people would complain about not wanting to hear that
The thing is, and this isn't specific to Drake, is that there will always be a market for this kind of music. As a musician's fans grow out of a certain group of feelings, newer fans will grow into them, so there isn't really an impetus to grow, change or improve if the musician doesn't want to.
Fact and telling an artists to change their style just because a certain amount of people don't like it is a bit entitled
Agreed. People are attached to the sound of an artist that originally got them attached in the first place. They keep seeking that sound but the artist evolves over time and they’re disappointed continuously. Perfect example is Shawn mentioning in his review that “his strengths 5 years ago aren’t his strengths anymore”. Shawn’s dissapointed Cus he isn’t hearing what got him attacheded to drake anymore.
@@DM0GUL no it’s that’s Shawn has gotten older so what initially attracted him to Drake at his younger age wouldn’t be the same now that he’s older. I mean developmental staging is not a difficult concept to comprehend. Lol 😂
@@YagirlLia22 i don’t think my point is that hard to understand either
@@DM0GUL the point is Drake hasn’t evolved! So it’s not that’s Shawn is disappointed because he isn’t hearing what got him attracted to Drake, it’s the fact that we are STILL hearing it! Lmao 🤣 Drake has giving us the same material over the years. It was cool then because not only was it good but because it was fitting at the time. We’ve aged but the music has not and that’s the criticism. What was once a strength for Drake isn’t so much anymore unless you are a complete stan and just take what he gives.
People really must've forgot how good IYRTITL was if they think Her Loss is anywhere near as good let alone better.
I've been seeing those takes and I've just accepted that I'm getting older and I'm not supposed to understand what's "in." The project was cool, but it's not in the same category as his older stuff.
People are just so desperate for ANYTHING good after multiple bad projects that they’ll accept mid instead.
4D Drake.
IYRTITL is overrated af, not even top 3 Drake
@@sgbmack6993 it's in the top ten at least. This shit ain't even touching that.
Agreed. I personally think that's his best project. And the only Project of his that I actually purchased on CD (even tho it was bootleg from the barbershop) 🤷🏿♂️😂. Released 2.14.15
Its crazy how people have totally forgotten about dark lanes demo tapes
I can play that shit all the way through!
Facts bruh. I enjoyed dark lane demo tapes so much. Not you too(one of the best/my favorite songs he’s ever dropped), Time Flies, Chicago Freestyle, Pain 1993, When to say when, & Deep Pockets were some of the best songs he’s dropped post 2018 imo🤷🏾♂️.
That one was amazing!
yesss !
People slept on that project and I feel like it was because of the pandemic in a sense kind of just came and went but I still play songs off it
It is a little weird to hear Drake still going on the playboy persona thing at his age. An introspective Drake album with songs like Champagne Poetry, When To Say When, 6PM in NY, Emotionless would be amazing.
The whole ‘I sleep with women’ thing is a weird flex when youre pushing 40.
It’s like Taylor Swift still singing about crushes, heartache, and stolen kisses despite being in her 30’s now.
40 is young af still
Ageism in rap culture is so welcomed for some reason.
@@jasonapplebaum9871 not enough to be doing that.
people always think like this until they reach that age....lets see how you and your friends think when theyre that age
Shawn acting like he too mature for Drake while he ride so hard for Future is crazy.
Shawn cee don't even know how to make music
Broo literally, his whole argument falls flat on it's face based on this point alone.
Right Lmaoo
Future still has that drive in his music tho,and he’s shown multiple facets of his personality and art in the last ten years,very different from drake
@@Vat6ré stop talking.
A lot of people say a Drake album flooded with his Time/Place series would be too one dimensional but I think a whole project full of those State Of The Union, hookless vent sessions, is absolutely needed. We haven't heard enough of it from him and not anytime recently aside from 7AM On Bridle Path which was solid. A seven, maybe eight track EP/Album of that alone would be crazy.
Man that shit would be boring asf. A whole album of him venting would be OD. Those cuts in the album in between the fun is why those cuts were so good
Like Jay-Z said, “people want my old shit, buy my old albums”.
We don't even want his old shit, we just want him not to be ass
That makes both no sense and perfect sense at the same time
Perfectly said
Buying Drake's new shit is like buying his old albums but without the passion or creativity. It's like making a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy. The quality degrades with each copy. Jay Z actually evolved so that makes sense for him to say, he wasn't talking about the same thing on Reasonable Doubt as he was on 4:44
@@coleburne7048 It makes perfect sense. People are ever-changing and constantly adjusting to new conditions. You can't recreate the past only learn and/or be molded by it.
Careful Shawn,he might send you a cookie recipe
A vegan one, at that
I like the album , I've always wanted Drake to do something with 21 and he finally did .. I'm happy.
He really said “21, can you do something for me?”
@@theharveypaxtonshow5804 yes and 21 started getting down with his bad self
This nigga Shawn Cee thinks hes the music guardian or some shit 😂😂😂 "Drake is almost done" done with what bro lmao
Jimmy cooks, Mr. Right now, sneakin, and knife talk.
You realise Shawn also likes the album right
Drake’s best run was 2011-2015. You could even argue 2011-2016 from a pure success standpoint, due to Views, even though I personally don’t like that album and never have. However, TC/NTWS/IYRTITL/WATTBA was easily Drake’s hot streak. He was virtually untouchable despite his beefs, his features killed, and he controlled the industry in such a dominant way that he was the leading tastemaker in hip-hop’s sound and had a major influence on a lot of upcoming rappers’ careers in some form or fashion during that period of time.
When an artist reaches a certain level of success and a long discography, that artist is constantly competing against themselves.
In this case, someone like Jay-Z shines because he treats his music like art, instead of chasing or setting the next trend.
Cap, but I don't feel like typing out why
I love this perspective. For most artists someone who's first album dropped 14 years ago we wouldn't be expecting them to be dropping their best material this deep into their career. Thats why for me I feel like this is his best album since either Views or IYRTITL. He is at least playing to his strengths on this album even if it's not as great as he was ten years ago. It is an improvement but doesn't get out of the meh - decent range.
Also I'm calling it now, Anthony fantano strong 6 to light 7
I’d say more like a 5 to light 6. I can already see some of the complaints fantano would have.
Bro this album was so bad probably a 2 idk how y’all like this .
@@TheNegativeContrarian thats how i feel lol
@Daily Degenerates did you even read my comment or did you just want to say that with zero nuance
@@TheNegativeContrarian solid production, some nice witty bars here and there, 21 getting his own timestamp track, the travis feature. i get not liking it, but come on. not understanding why anybody would like it is absurd💀
I genuinely love a lot of tracks of this album and I’m comparing it to other artists not just drakes recent work. Broke boys staying on repeat!
Broke boys is the best on there easily
@@ttt7337jjj nah more m’s better
@@voss9352 more m's is arguably the worst song on the album
Major distribution, On BS, Jumbotron Shit Poppin, Middle of the Ocean, 3Am On Glenwood, Rich Flex, BackOutsideBoyz & Broke Boys all are nice
So if we have any opinions about Drake or his music, we got to be broke?! So if Drake wasn’t as hot as he is and popular as he his, would that make us broke?!
This whole narrative about drake being too old to rap about being single and shit is really absurd tbh. Future is an artist touching 40 still rapping about toxicity or artists like kanye or rick ross or even taylor swift, shes 32 and released a album about teenage heartbreak and got praised for it.
Facts
I expected this album to be more of a "what a time to be alive" album more so than a "if youre reading this its too late
" ANNNNNNND it delivered, thats honestly all there is too it.
I want an elder Drake album. An album of Drake being wise and mature and grown and shows development in his personality rather than acting like a 20 year old single party animal. I want to hear Drake go off on emotional beats (like the one in Jimmy Cooks MV) spitting introspective thoughts and commentaries on the rap game as a veteran. With the amount of rappers we are losing lately, I wanna hear an album about that, not Her Loss, but just Loss.
Bro😂
Bro is a geek
Why is it hard to stop listening to drake if you don't like his new music?
Her Loss is not that bad. Easily one of Drake's better releases in a while and leagues better than Honestly, Nevermind
This is exactly what he's saying. Compared to his recent work it's good even, but when you compare it to his best stuff, it doesn't quite hold up
imo his best since 2015, 7 years ago
That ain’t saying much since he put out two mediocre albums, so of course this album will be seen as amazing
The bar is this low now.
@@thesehandsarelethal bro dark lane demo tape and more life exist
I’ve had every song on repeat since the album came out 😂
Yh but you're a jujutsu kaisen fan, so you're accustomed to mid
@@gayfrickinfrog7168 LMAOOO chill
@@gayfrickinfrog7168 Better than 90% of Shonen coming out today.
@@gayfrickinfrog7168 jkk aint mid
Same bro😂😂
Geez I’m not even the biggest Drake fan but y’all want him to act like an old man at 36😭 it’s okay to still have fun at that age guys I promise
yes you can have fun that age but that’s not where people are saying. its like those people that never really want to grow up doing teenager things as adults. They refuse to look in to the mirror and acknowledge a certain time has passed. There’s nothing wrong with growing up.
@@kevincervantes427 Man if i’m worth 400 mill I’m doing what ever tf I want at what ever age tf ya’ll talking bout 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@countguap6460 LMAO we just think differently but there’s no right or wrong way to live bro.
@@kevincervantes427 bro… Leonardo DiCaprio, Jeff Bezos, Hugh Hefner, Dan Bilzerian, Al Pacino, Nas, 50 Cent, etc… there plenty of guys well past his age who aren’t settled down. It’s a normal thing, he’s just open about it.
@@fyemusicplug6486 yeah ik I just feel like they don’t brag about it as much you know?
I’m really enjoying this album. I also try not to take music THAT seriously in my personal life unless it’s made by some deplorable human being, which is subjective to the listener. Also, I’m not looking for most of my favs to grow sonically per say. I think this was Drake doing Drake best and I enjoyed that because I like his music. For example, Curren$y is one of my favorite rappers and most of his music is interchangeable, but does the job and he’s aware of that. So I extend the same grace to Drake. Thanks for the content though mang love your videos
Isn’t drake a pedo though?
I really enjoyed this album. It's not better than his best work but leagues better than the work he's put out in recent years. I personally still like the bachelor playboy persona. I still wish that we could get an album full of songs like middle pf the ocean. I think that would be his greatest project. I appreciated that he rapped for most of the project tho.
Somebody as talented as Drake will never satisfy everybody. He has too many lanes he has to cater too.
sums it up nicely...
🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
Stop the cap
He could never make cakes that everyone likes
I’ll say it like this, even if you’re not a popular rapper/singer/painter anything, it’s hard to recapture a certain period in your life , that made you write or sing or paint a certain way. You see life different based on the experiences you’ve been thru. The proof that drake realized this is that last tape Honestly, never mind and when he had that Jamaican phase. He felt he needed to reinvent himself and step outside the norm to get his name back out there. I’m not a drake Stan but I remember being a rapper in high school and hearing older kids from hs rap and I thought they were so talented and wondered why they eventually stopped rapping. It wasn’t just life taking priority, it’s the things you were going thru and the people you’re around that help me make the songs hot. When you’re no longer in that exact environment it’s harder to recapture that feeling to give to your fans. I’ve had people from hs surprised me and tell me how cold I was in hs and ask what happened. I try to write nowadays but I don’t have the same feeling. It just feels like task, like something I have to do, like hw or something. It’s just not the same anymore and that happens to all of us. Nobody thinks 4:44 hov is better than Reasonable doubt hov. Although his mind may be sharper, his knowledge base expanded and his rap skills improved people don’t resonate with the music as much. You need to be a certain amount of dumbed down for the masses but witty enough for them to think you’re a genius. It’s a hard place for any creative person to be in. This tape was exactly what I expect from drake. Not the best but not the worst…I mean he’s no Lupe level of rapper at all and has never been, he just creates experiences for us and drake’s experience has gotten old by now. I agree with comments saying he should drop some grown man music
Nigga The feds Finna come for u You kno sumthin else
Ay bruh the advice I’d give to you from one rapper to another.
Stop trying to recreate a feeling from years ago in your art THEN in your art NOW. It can’t work. Never will. Like you said, the way your art sounded then was dependent upon where you were at in your life at the time. But you gotta move forward. The problem with us (as humans really) is that we’re always trying to go back instead of move forward. We’re always chasing nostalgia. And that’s the problem. That’s exactly why people prolly think 4:44 Hov isn’t better than RD Hov when if you look at the music honestly and objectively, he really is better and more mature, at that lol. We gotta stop chasing what once was and instead start chasing what’s to come. Gotta enjoy where you’re at now for what it is. So when you write, make sure you’re encapsulated in where you’re at in your life NOW. Cuz thas where your best art comes from anyway, where you’re at in the moment.
Why you think Kendrick’s music always feels fresh and can draw you in every time time he drops? Cuz he’s never going back to chase an old feeling. He’s always creating new ones based on where he’s at currently in life.
So basically stop tryn rap from the perspective of the old you. Be the new one and embrace him in your art.
@@majestymxnt7384 great advice good brotha!
@@majestymxnt7384 Last two paragraphs resonated with me man, even if it’s not for me. Thank you
@@eanternet Np man just trying to be of service in this world 👌🏽
Thing is some people(boomers) mainly know Drake from the last 5 years, but growing up listening to him you'll know he had much better albums in the days then now, but I don't blame him for the quality of the music now, it's just that the times have changed
I meant Gen Z my Bad 😭😂
Agreed
You mean late Gen Zers drake himself is a millenial
Lol that describes Gen Z. Millennials are the day 1's
You definitely need to rewrite this. Millennials grew up listening to Drake. You probably meant Gen Z.
okay boomer
Drake was actually putting some thought into the writing this time, that's why anyone is paying attention. You can't tell me he wasn't going off on some of these verses. Maybe that was a calculated move because 21 has some pretty good bars across the album. I feel like there were a lot of good elements put together on this album, it's more a patchwork collage than a cohesive album. You get these harmonies between some trap beats that don't really fit together but you get the sense they could have been their own joint. As far as the content criticisms, I'm not sure what Drake is supposed to be rapping about at 36. I don't really want to see the next phase of Drake because I really think it's going to be some kind of Pitbull arc where he just farms mainstream pop music and calls it "maturity". Do we really want to hear Drake rap about his personal life the way Kanye does? Do we want him rapping about drugs like Pusha T? Drake knows his lane. He's the guy who keeps his shit together. He shows it can be done at the highest levels. Drake is copium for the masses.
I respect this! Great take.
drake doesn’t write his raps tho
This is a really great take I love this one.
@@uherrera2137 you're a 14 year internet drug lord yea ???
I ain’t reading that
I just feel like Drake is capable of more. We’ve seen it. I don’t get why he won’t let go of this current player persona
. It's at the point where Drake's so heavily critiqued because he hasn't fallen off yet. The album is good! He has literally put out the most varied catalog as anyone else, besides Kanye. If he made six "Take Care" albums in a row, everyone would be complaining about him being a one-trick pony and he needs to switch it up. But, people will always find a way to hate.
Don’t necessarily disagree with your first point but to say Drake’s discography isn’t as varied as Kendrick or like Cudi is just untrue. People go to Drake because in a lot of ways he’s very predictable. Not necessarily a bad thing
Ngl some of this is cap bruh. Drake is heavily criticized for putting out lackluster music far too often. It feels like he is just mailing it in a lot of the time and he damn near 40 still acting like he 25 in his music. I appreciate him trying to try something different with Honesty nvm but even that sounded lackluster and half done
Nah his subject matter still the same since 2015.
@@darrellwilliams9168 why are y’all talking about age for music… niggas parents listen to drake, drake IS drake. What y’all wanna hear about stocks?
@@darylvondutch6096 no we don’t want to hear about stocks 💀 we also don’t want this man to be rapping like he is 24 again. That shid gets old. If we wanted to hear that we would listen back to when he was 24 and it was better quality. It’s like talking to a guy that only talks about his good days back in high school like come bruh. If you want to hear that go right ahead my boy. I’m not gonna stop you
I´m not a Drake meatrider but I think this project is going to age good. Is not an AOTY contender but it is a solid album imo
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@@kevincervantes427 u know ball fr
Stop bro
I think it will be AOTY. But that Nas KD3 might get it again.
@@k.anthony2399 I ran this game so hard I think I am Iranian. That’s basically an example of the level of lyrics that this album had. No one is expecting Drake to go super lyrical, but it seemed like he just didn’t give a fuck on this. The deepest he ever got was talking bout how he can’t find love. To me it’s almost like he just shitted this think out with no care for the quality. This won’t win aoty and if it does it’s strictly off of drakes reputation. Drake is washed and this almbum was dawg shit. Literally almost every Drake song is skippable. 21 was mediocre as hell and to me he out did Drake cuz he was less boring. Overall just not compelling enough to surface level
IYRTITL is just...man. Drake reached a level on that tape that he hasn't been able to go back to ever since. Shit is crazy man.
Facts
I didn't really understand why I wasn't feeling this drake album and I think you articulated what I was feeling.
I feel like Drake and 21 have a somewhat symbiotic relationship. Association with 21 Savage gives Drake some semblance of street cred, while collaboration with Drake gives 21 some chart presence
I don’t always think music has to be relatable for it to be enjoyable. I still enjoyed this album quite a bit but in all honesty trying to compare drakes top hits to his new stuff is always going to let you down. It was a special moment that i don’t think can ever be recreated.
Her loss is amazing it’s on constant repeat
You’re on meat. Get off that.
@@nrran6835 people are either on Meat or a hater these days. No in between
Nope I’m enjoying this album too much
@@speedycerviche3653 on meat
It's not. Lol
It's funny because lately, a lot of drake's old music (from if you're reading this as far back as so far gone) has been popping up on my gym playlists and to Shauns point about just playing old Drake is fucking true. It's LITERALLY the same content but everything from what a time to be alive (I'll begrudgingly include some cuts from views and more life) back to his first albums are all we really need now, and that's the unfortunate reality of being a Drake fan.
You were preaching, bro!
I think the issue also is that we have a society that CONSTANTLY promotes youthfulness. No one is celebrating becoming older. “Maturity”’really doesn’t sell from my experience and let’s be real, there is a lot of ageism at play.
I like Drake. He is one of my favorite artists of all time but I think that he is also just a
Victim of the culture
What you want to hear mature from drake? He raps his lifestyle y’all just want him to say he’s married and mature… that’s not drake
Drake getting a face tat at 35 is a perfect representation of how true this is. he does't want to feel old but it's happening regardless
@@tommy2170 WHAT DO YALL WANT TO HEAR FROM DRAKE
Nothing Was the Same/IYRTITL was definitely peak Drake. We’re never gonna get that same feel from him again and that reality should be accepted.
"Lack of ambition" is the perfect way to describe Drake's work for nearly a decade now. Let me guess, on his best days over the next few projects as he's turning 40 he'll still be talking about how many bitches he's got over lazy beats, and on his worst he'll be making Honestly, Nevermin 2.
i agree, drakes songs don’t hit if you don’t have bitches, which is why i’m guessing it doesn’t hit for you and it does for me 😎😎😎
@@rodrigog.8790 You can't be older than 14.
@@rodrigog.8790 you're just stupid dude. Man has a great opinion and you respond with bs
@@rodrigog.8790 faxxx
@@rodrigog.8790 actual chad holy
Her Loss is just a good Drake album. Not his worst and nowhere near his best. Cuts like Middle of the Ocean were a nice return to form in terms of classic Drake
Its mid
7am in bridle path, You only live twice, fair trade, knife talk, and No Friends in the Industry all were bangers. Champagne poetry and The Remorse also give us those introspective drizzy.
@@thepoweraboveall dont forget race my mind
I think if Drakes next album can be fully focused and conceptual type of album it will bang truly. He has momentum right now and we've seen Drake with momentum already. With Take Care, IYRTITL and NWTS. We genuinely could be gearing up for a prime Drake return. Hopefully. Maybe. Hopefully
This album represents how high drakes floor is on any given album. I personally like all of them, but you have to sit back and pick out which songs actually “hit”. I have at least half the album on repeat even though some call the songs the worst. When you buy into the music, then that’s where you have the most enjoyment. Even with honestly never mind. Definitely not my style, but he found away to have me cater to it
Niggas can never just enjoy the music and vibe these days.
We’re listening to HER LOSS because it’s a dope project. Good beats and fun lyrics and some great wordplay. Y’all serious us out every time smh
I think you are LeBron James
Nah faxts tho lmao. Like it really ain’t that fuckin deep, these mfs stay trynna be some intellects. Like sit your lame ass down and enjoy the music.
@@SP_CEGH0ST 😂
Fr and ppl are mad that he diss some ppl but thats what the rap game is abt. I feel like ppl get mad when he tryna to express how he feels. Ppl saying he told old to rap abt stuff yet u have other artist who still singing or rapping like they are in their 20s. Prime example… kanye and mj. Yet no one wants to criticize them even tho they way older then drake. Ig its a trend on drake and even tho he drops songs that ppl want him to release he still gets hate.
For real. Shawn talking about sensationalizing trauma when reviewing a rap album. Nigga go preach in a synagogue or something
So this guy criticizes drake for his playboy persona at his age but then meat rides futures album earlier this year? Future is older than drake
Literally was gonna type this. idk why he keeps bringing up age. If a song is good (or even bad) tf does age matter for .
@@ibrahimkamara8019 so goddamn true
@@ibrahimkamara8019 facts
Why do u keep bringing up age lol. Future is older than drake and his content is not anymore mature than drakes lol. If a song is good (or even bad) tf does age matter for.
Facts
I was thinking the same thing lol
Bros a hater ong😂
Both them niggas too old
he’s a dickrider has been for years shit weird atp
Bro this album just showed even tho Drake is pushing 40 he still can get in his bag and SHOW why he’s always been the top tier rapper/artist. This whole tape slaps hard af
Stop bringing his age up jayz 50 still spittin
@@bryanfrancois5568 jay wasn’t this big 10 years ago and not nearly as international as drake
Drake was never a top tier rapper or lyricists. Just a popular puppet pushed by the Jew machines.
@@eddythewire3755 sound like Drake fucked ya bish 😭
@@sondersonics7534 were you nine years old 10 years ago?
Somebody finally says the truth! I literally went back thru all his old albums this weekend and it ain’t the same
You have to remember to take different artists for what they are. Yes Drake's lyrics are borderline absurd for a 36 y/o but his music is for cars and going to the gym. You'll never get a Cole/Kendrick "lyricist" style Drake project bcos it's not his style. He doesn't care.
He's not up against Cole and Kendrick he's up against the superior quality of his own previous projects.
But no one is asking that from Drake? The people just need a good album coz its been ages
@@omarali-ij1pe regardless its doing numbers
@@bigol9223 He's up against them too. It's been 10 years and those 3 are always compared to one another.
Bruh maybe drake can't really make a rap album like them two?
2:18 *“Anything smells like air freshner when you’ve been sniffing sh*t for so long”* JESUS🤣💀💀. Couldn’t have used a more perfect analogy to summarize a lot of Drakes albums post-IYRTITL lol
I dont understand the hate of the concept that 21 is the sidekick. Its a cool concept and obviously 21 savage had to be given his name on the title for his contribution to most songs. Its just a hero sidekick kind of thing and im a big fan of 21 savage. This makes me excited for 21s future stuff
I can careless about Drakes age, at the end of the day I just want to hear good music.
Exactly
I think most people would agree with this. Not many people care about the age of the singer when they’re turning up lmao 😂
this album was good
without any substance clearly.
@@vestmentvhs6388 whether his music has substance or not, is up to the opinion of the listener.
tbh we can’t blame drake for progressing like this like he didn’t warn us in his younger days it was gonna come but still i feel the same.. but ima sum it up like this drake use to make music we can relate to.. felt like took us along the journey .. literally almost every bar you can relate to before IYRTITL.. but at some point after that drake rose to a level that not many ppl can relate to or even be in so the things he’s tryna paint to us in these new albums sounds like a rich man tryna hold on his to his roots but still fit the times.. instead of tryna maintain his roots if that makes sense but nonetheless this is honestly the story he’s been tryna tell us all along.. but one day i hope dude gets back to his roots soon than later.
Drake reminds me a lot of Marvel and is a good study in Art vs Commerce.
At some point Drake chose the money over the art and within the system we are in it's easy for that to happen. There is a conflation between something making a lot of money and being popular as a marker for high artistic quality, when really, it's more a thing where SOMETIMES those two things coexist within a piece of art. I'm sure the budget for Her Loss is bigger than Take Care, but is there even a discussion about which one is better?
I think it's interesting to look at Drake's contemporaries like Kendrick and The Weeknd. Kendrick on every album is taking some kind of chance, he doesn't need to because his rapping ability is so good and interesting that he could just coast on that, but he doesn't. The Weeknd is closer to what would probably be ideal for someone like a Drake, where you still want huge popularity, but you aren't just looking at a template or an algorithm and are finding ways to combine mass appeal with artistry.
Drake should be recognized for making HipHop the number 1 genre in the world, but in terms of artistry he has stagnated, and I would be surprised if he can hold on to his relevancy through the 2020's.
It’s not that deep nigga smh internet dorks think everything is a deep dive
@@gangboy40 you literally watched a video of Shawn Cee going in
wonderful take
Cee is spitting facts…the bar of expectations on a new drake album is constantly declining
Just remember the time when Nothing was the Same dropped…For me personally after Views my expectations for every new album from him were shrinking more and more. When you do a collab with 21 and you are drake why don’t you really put effort into this and create a real concept album with a theme and a real ambition. Clb, NH and Her Loss is all the same mixture or Trap, Rnb, House. I don’t see any concept or idea
Same, Views was the first Drake project I disliked
What do you niggas want to hear from drake several different sounds different flows production is A1 great content buts it’s not enough since it’s drake
@@acecashman1237 views was decent for me but after that the standard sank
@@darylvondutch6096 productionwise all good but for me it’s the lack of substance and content. I mean Her Loss is totally the same shit like Clb…same beats same atmosphere, same lyrics. When you do a collab with 21 and you are drake why don’t you really put effort into this and create a real concept album with a theme and a real ambition. Look at Wattba…its a masterpiece of an album with future
But Clb, Honestly Nevermind and Herr Loss are all the same
@@sickpicasso9563 do you niggas like good music or not😂 y’all will always find something to complain about bc y’all don’t like good music y’all want drake to not be drake
For me Circo Loco is a personal favorite due to my fondess for Daft Punk and more specifically One More Time. Also an Arsenal fan, shoutout 21
You just gotta appreciate artist for the lane that they’re in whether you like it or not
Was taken aback during CLB when he talks about his alcoholism on Champagne Poetry. Idk whether people just want this Bachelor vibe so he delivers or if he genuinely feels he has nothing to offer other than this, speaking as someone who liked it a lot but recognizes the quality drop
Could also just be the life he's living. It's pretty hard to talk about a space you're not currently living in
*2018, Drake, had the year in a chokehold* now it feels like I’m watching a man run on fumes.. his heart isn’t in this anymore.
Drake fell off after scorpion, he should've dropped her loss after scorpion would've been fire
@@bryanfrancois5568 how did Drake fall off? That literally makes no sense. He’s has outsold every rapper every year. How tf is that falling off
@@jackmckee9327 oh brother, what does that have to do with anything?
Yet he has the game on choke rn
@@jackmckee9327 He didn't outsell Kendrick on his own this year
Her Loss is a breath of fresh air after the releases of CLB and HN. Take Care, NWTS, and IYRTITL are classics and anything that came after those drops were mid at best. Part of the reason is Drakes fan base. The man is a genius at knowing that his fan base will accept and eat up anything that he releases. Unfortunately it sucks for us real Drake fans that want bars and songs that don’t cater to the most part this tik tok generation and his experience with women even at his big age.
give dark lane demo another listen, it’s full of gems
I gotta put thank me later in that group as well.
I swear More Life is soo slept on
Thank me Later is pretty forgettable imo it doesn’t have that same lasting impact that Take Care and NWTS gave. People to this day are heavily listening to Take Care, NWTS, and IYRTITL. More Life is one of the better Drake projects post IYRTITL.
Views had some good songs fire and desire, child’s play, western road flows etc was amazing songs
We’re at a point in time where there is a potential major shift to occur in hip hop and mainstream culture. With YSL facing an indictment and what that entails for major music corporations pertaining to whether or not they are funding criminal enterprises as well as the violent deaths of the likes of Nip, Take, PNB, DOLPH etc. Drake is a pivotal piece of that potential shift. He chose to continue to indulge in placing heavy real violence on records with savage going as far as claiming he’ll “spin his parents” if he can’t get “him” .. at this point this content is redundant and real life dangerous to continue to push. We should pay more attention to Kendrick Lamar who is addressing family trauma and choosing peace over chaos. IMO.
Ok
As I get older the way I view rap culture ig has slowly been doing a 180, like shit like rap beefs and or the lifestyle used to looks so cool to me, it even got to the point that I started to do dumb shit cause I thought it was cool, drugs, scamming, selling weed. But now after experiencing a lot of negative things in my life, for example, one of my friends got stabbed and bled to death over a girl. Experiences like this have really soured the feeling that I have towards a lot of rap music nowadays. I Just hope at some point these negative parts of the culture gets addressed by everyone, cause I only see it getting worst.
Totally understand your point! To me it’s more about the beat selection and the art direction that I get bothered. It’s the same for years. Subject matter I feel is personal to him and reflects his life that none of us in the comment section can relate to.
I feel like drake sometimes is rated differently than many artist out rn just because of his status his the biggest rap artist for over a decade with so many projects, Her Loss was a solid project gave aspects of rap that people look for, Drake has created his own lane I feel if he just completely matured and made old man rap out of no where he would fail and fall off , this is what he’s known for and it’s what sells
Redsox player lololol 😆 🤣
The album was a 10 for me. I appreciate that Drake doesn't switch up he liked being a playboy in the past and he still does
I agree my man , these Hating ass niggas get no pussy . That’s why they can’t relate
Same here it's what i like about him
Facts
A 10? What are you smoking on? You're saying there is no level above this album? The thought of a 21 x Drake album is so much harder than what they actually gave us, yea its a good album but it could have been better than WATTBA and it wasn't, doesnt even come close to some of his previous projects
@@lovescars her loss was better than wattba the wordplay is way crazier. It's Middle of the ocean, broke boys , rich flex, major distribution and I guess it's fuck me vs big rings and jumpman🤷🏾♂️ it's no comparison to me
Am i the only one who doesn't care about personal things like drakes age? if the music is good and relatable i don't care about small personal details about who is making it or anything about their personal life to an extent, obviously there's other limits to that like Eminem being 50 & making a song about being in his bedroom hating on his step dad as if it's still a problem LOL that just doesn't make sense but nah if you're really a single bachelor i don't care if you're "pushing 40" more power to him if he's able to keep that lifestyle and still be happy at that age, that's a dream for some people, not for me personally but i don't see it as unethical, maybe i'm trippin but it sounds like shawn says it like it's a terrible thing or something :/
FAX
In all honesty this just doesn’t matter and solely applies because he’s Drake and there really isn’t much to critique him on. Future is also old but nobody mentions his age while making similar music.
Another thing, musically Drake released three really good albums in a short space of time. In all honesty, there might be a minute population that thinks CLB, Honestly Nevermind and Her Loss are mid at best.
However there is an even larger portion that enjoys music for what it is with no desire to have an opinion on it that genuinely love these albums. That is why his streams are so high.
Yeah I agree from the most part, it’s not a bad thing for me, it’s just a little weird.
Yeah i agree. Idk what this new take ab his age is. It seems like he’s the only rapper it relates to. Like who cares ab his age? Like you said, if it’s relatable and good then who gaf how old he is?
it’s not that it’s terrible. shawn even says he liked the album. it’s that it’s been the same old thing with drake for YEARS. keeping to the same subject matter, album after album, mix tape after mix tape, leaves the impression he hasn’t evolved.
there’s got to be more going on in his life for him talk about other than his money, sexcapades, and disappointment in women, something more on his mind. at least, i hope so. it’s lacking depth and getting boring. i want to believe drake is so much more interesting than these stale topics he’s been on forever. he has the talent (and intelligence) to go beyond the surface level shit and create music with more substance that’s about more than sex and money.
it sucks to say this and i will anyway: this is why he doesn’t get quite the same type of respect as j. cole and kendrick - he stays shallow. and i adore drake!
Apart from the quality (or lack thereof) of this album the idea that a 36 year-old is too old to be talking about his dating/sex life is a little terrifying
bro is about to sell over 350k and you think he’s almost done lmao
Y'know.... Drake is a tough artist to love. I personally think 2 things limited his potential as an artist (not as a money maker because he obviously has that on lock): lack of growth and not taking enough time between projects (maybe leave the cringe and creepy bars on the cutting room floor). I think this album was a rush to cleanse the taste of Honestly Nevermind from our palettes. Bringing in 21 was on line with TH-camrs who bring their dog out when they have to apologize for something. Because who hates 21, right? Maybe immigration.
Bro you funny as FUCK lmao
That washing machine analogy was perfect
Man with sense
This was a great project, enjoyable and a step into the right direction music wise from drake.
Commercially drake will never fall off or can't fall off at this point unless something catastrophic happens; music wise though? I don't think he has much left to say as when he started or in his prime (NWTS and IYRTITL era) or he isn't invested anymore in make a full body of work like that anymore.
Broke Boys and Middle of the Ocean could clear a lot on Scorpion and What a Time but ok…
EDIT: After a week, A LOT on this album from Drake clears scorp and what a time !!
21 can you do sumn for me 😂😂😂😂😂
Since Pusha T, i cant take any of Drake's "call outs" or "Disses". The man starting fights with people that don't even mention him but refuses to talk back to the man that OBLITERATED him
The fetishising trauma point was very important.
We can’t lie. 99% of Kanye fans got excited when him and Kim broke up, on the idea of him making some masterpiece from the fallout and heartbreak.
I think realistically drake drops so consistently its hard to experiment properly. Alotta rappers from his era do not drop as often. I think that's a big reason for the lack of creativity.
That is why Kendrick will always be superior to drake.. the guy takes his time to make good music.
@@SofaKingSuite10 no Kendrick is not versatile he trash
The beauty of Drake is…… regardless of what any idiot with a mic says. He’s been everlasting. This guy listed albums that are still charting half a decade later as “lowering the bar” one day people have to understand, music isn’t made just for them. You might be nearly done listening to Drake but I promise you circle back in 5 years and he’ll still be here dropping his 20th number one album that had music at a standstill. Just like he was 5 years ago when people said he was done. Or 10/15 years ago when people said take care was emo soft and trash.
lol this man swallowing somehow. jheez. "Or 10/15 years ago when people said take care was emo soft and trash." were you punching air defending every inch of that album too? It's all perfect to you?
Fucking TALK that shit. This is the best way I’ve seen it put. 😂
The man just got 500 deal and people are trying to tell him how to make music
That's baffling how some thought Take Care was soft, I know everyone is different but personally i feel that was his best album, fall of 2011 was unforgettable to me..
@@ashantigardner7804 they did about 400 in a week, the replay value good
I fw Shawn’s videos heavy. He stays consistent with hitting topics without bias and being the real/gray character.
you're twerking for a hater
Without bias is crazy
Drizzy is never done
I love how people, like this TH-cam content creator, SUPER ANALYZE drakes material unlike other artists and claim he’s music is “decent” or “trash” but why do you take your time to put so much energy into just ANALYZING his music and moves??? Just enjoy the music while drake is alive dude
It's fascinating how people receive drake's work over the years. I understand.the standpoint of wanting a shift in the lyrical content goes giving but at the same time (not to compare or use whataboutism), why is he one of the only artists whose fans and critics want to “grow up”? A lot of other rappers haven't changed what they rap about, and they are even older. When drake raps about how he's a dad and managing being a co-parent, I see dudes saying that's boring or they dub the album as mid (clb, scorpion). Like man I just feel like as a drake fan people are just being over critical. I blame it on him being so consistent and fans being so reminiscent of the past. Like ofc people are going to think his older music is the greatest and cannot be touch, because memories are tied and associated with them and you've been replaying them for so long.
They want him to drop an album like that so they can laugh when it does not sell as much and say its boring.
You are wildin this album is a CLASSIC
Dark Lane Demo Tapes is INCREDIBLY slept on
On god
Yall care too much lmao this is better than everything EVERYONE else puts out.
Roc nation sent the check obviously
Facts. It's at the point where Drake's so heavily critiqued because he hasn't fallen off yet. The album is good! He has literally put out the most varied catalog as anyone else, besides Kanye. If he made six "Take Care" albums in a row, everyone would be complaining about him being a one-trick pony and he needs to switch it up. But, people will always find a way to hate.
kanye is better than drake in every singular category and it's not even close
No? There's been a bunch of better hip hop released this year.
@@WBaltimore they’ll only appreciate him when he’s gone lol everybody thinks they are A&Rs nowadays 😂😂
I really want to hear what a drake mature album would sound like it's time for a change despite some songs being good
I've been listening to hip-hop and rap from about 2014, being a white dude from Australia I was super disconnected to the scene and had literally no personal stake in any of it. I was 14 years old listening to biggie, that evolved into people like MF DOOM, Aesop rock and now mainly listen to griselda, JID and contemporaries. I've tried listening to Drakes older projects, and honestly I really don't find much enjoyment from any of his back catalogue, maybe it just wasn't from my era? Her Loss is the first Drake project I'm genuinely invested in, listening to the songs that go hardest on repeat and forgetting the rest of the album. I would venture to guess that because of his status of a legend, the songs that go hard will be remembered until they grow stale, and the rest of the albums lack of substance will fall to the wayside once the production has stopped carrying the songs.
Bitter is a bad look on most people, the only reason it doesn't seem so ugly on Drake is because he can cover it up in the millions of dollars he has made from his industry.
I like every drake album for what it is cuz I'm not a hater and I appreciate the evolution and versatility in his art form, do I like every song on every album? No but I am happy to get new drake music at the end of the day. That's your opinion Shawn but drake gon be around till he can't and or doesn't want to anymore, whether you like it or not someone will
something i think goes hand in hand with what youre saying about his maturity level that i havent really seen talked about is how often he brings up popping pills on this album, which I feel like he hardly used to do, tho I will admit I havent listened to every single song hes dropped the last few years, it felt really out of place to hear Drake cut the beat out to try and have a whole ass inner monologue debating on the amount of percocet to take or him rapping abt getting laced pills or trying ecstasy for the first time, like ur waiting til ur 40 and a dad to now start taking molly LOL, idk Im not saying like it offended me or anything it was just something that stuck out to me
Was listening to the album today and thought the same. I think it’s a solid project, it sounds good and it’s consistent. But it’s def weird how he got into those types of drugs in his mid 30s. He seemed more mature a decade ago
@@karmic2277 right, his music back then while in his 20's sounded more mature than the shit he puts out now.
i’m starting to think drake has been hiding behind the weeknd, quinton miller, partynextdoor, the entire ovo camp
and god knows who else this entire time.
And now 21….
Thats you stay number 1. He learned that from wayne and Kanye
Drake aint going anywhre anytime soon.
Facts man....and he already broke a record with this one...
No one stays on top forever.
I loved Dark lane demo tapes and Scorpion. Will always be in rotation.
In your opinion lmao, I love everything from views on prolly more than his older work. What is so hard to comprehend and I seem to remember you enjoying most these projects during your reaction too
Judging a man's music topics based on his age is weird.
To put it simply, Drake isn’t Drizzy anymore.
At this Point People just hate on drake to be different😂
People wanna be matured so bad in their early 20’s😂😂
her loss was a breath of fresh air. loved the album. drake just turned 36
Thank you for actually putting a intelligent spin on this drake vs Meg thing ! 🙏🏾
You turned on Eminem due to his age turning his lyrics outdated. Now drake. Wow.
SPEAK ON IT KING