That was my biggest problem with this film. That's like Batman 101. The Snyderverse even has it lightly snowing when his parents are killed. For all we know this is the exact same alley! He even says he doesn't want to do this in front of his daughter! Well then don't do it! Wait till he drops his daughter off at her mom's or the daughter is asleep and confront him then! Bruce would be all about not emotionally scarring young children for the rest of their life in dark alleyways by ripping their parents away from them. If there was one thing you wouldn't catch Batman doing ever it would be that. And they had him do it.
The whole point of the suicide squad in the comics is that Waller has them do things that super heroes WON’T do. Like, illegal shit that Waller’s agency believes will benefit the world, the US, or themselves depending on the given story. It makes no sense to have them stop some world-ending threat, because at least one of the many super heroes that exist in the world would DEFINITELY show up to save the world. Blehhhhh
Yea like if superman turn evil, just summon other members of the JL like ww, aquaman, flash and batman. Why tf you need criminals to fight superman instead of other heroes?
Does anyone else think it's kinda cheating that the "man who can climb anything" fires a grappling hook? That's like someone who can speak any language using Google translate.
Oh, and I suppose you are one of those people that think it's unfair of us to praise The Don for being the best human being ever, just because he's a god? Jeeze, man, why can't you just watch a movie for its themes for once? (/s)
Wonder Woman: Diana knows Steve Trevor for two weeks at the most. And she spends the next 70-80-100 years hung up over him. To the point that she wishes him back in another guy's body, bangs him and doesn't want him to go be dead again. Suicide Squad: The Squad has been together for less than 24 hours and Diablo is calling them "these are my people", "I ain't losing my family" and Harley goes, "you shouldn't have messed with my friends." What?
Diane Prince really tops Bruce Wayne’s depression span in TDKR. At least Bruce didn’t go out to rape any lady who happened to be wished with the face of Rachel.
Fun Fact: Captain Boomerang's Unicorn, Bruce Wayne (not Batman), Flash and the book Harley reads in prison all have more screentime than Slipknot; The Man Who Can Climb Anything.
but he was a big step forward for minority representation, i'm sure not that he's on screen long enough for you to realize he's a minority... but it totally counts, right?
They said Captain Boomerang is there cause 'He tangled with a metahuman and survived.' He was captured almost immediately by the Flash. He didn't tangle with anything.
Ok I'm sorry, isn't being fearless a binary yes or no? Does that mean that if someone is fearless and therefore has 0% fear then you have like, -10%? Would that make you suicidal?
Amanda Waller: "I assigned Batman to capture the Joker, and just as I'd hoped, it got personal..." Joker: "Besides, who's gonna give you a reach around?"
@@cyrus2395 She just assigns two people together and off they go falling madly in love. I wonder if it would work for people and an object too. Perhaps all those people who “love” their cars aren’t to blame, it was simply Amanda Waller assigning the person to the car.
@@02hurst Adam Beach is a fantastic actor. At least he gets to snap a neck and climb anything before getting his head blown off. His Wikipedia page mentions that he was caught by Wonder woman in the early 2000s, which is strange because it seems like yet another retcon of the universe that contrasts with bvs, Man of steel and both of the Wonder woman movies. Either way it would be cool to see him getting caught in the intro of the next disastrous Wonder woman movie perhaps
Yep. Not only is her character badly written, on top of that her lines are awful, and all the twelve accents make her insufferable. Also, I'm not one to complain about naked girls in my movies. I also do not entertain the male gaze argument. But there is a point beyond which it just gets cheap. Anything to make Harley take her shirt off or bend over, or hey, wet T-Shirt, or hey, turn around and ramp-walk while the camera pervs up and down her butt. Again, I'm hate the whole "this is the male gaze" argument. Because loads of women willingly cosplay as Harley Quinn. But even then, some go for cheap and slutty and some go more modest/personal touch. Harley Quinn in this movie is a cheap cosplayer who had one day to get a costume.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 the difference between women cosplaying and the "male gaze" argument is that: 1. Margo Robbie was uncomfortable with the costume 2. Her whole framing in the movie is in fact that of a "drunken stripper" - she's just there so you can get horny to the barely clothed crazy chick. The OG "male gaze" argument is that women are overly sexualized for no reason and often have no role besides being a sex object. Which is sexist, no matter how you look at it. Now, there's nothing wrong with fan service. But if you're doing fanservice why isn't it equal to some extend? And why not give her personality that's not just being hot? Catwoman is a good example I think - she's a seductive, highly sexual character that wears bare minimum of clothes a lot of the time... She's still her own character lol. Edit: uricksaladbar did a great video about the topic "Writing Women Heavy Rain vs Disco Elysium". It highlights why certain writing is sexist without falling into the puritan "anti-fanservice" trap, and also explaining it from the writing perspective. Overall, this guy's very based a lot of the time lol.
I’m so happy that Rags hasn’t seen this before. It makes his reactions to the horrible script so perfect. It’s the perfect dynamic for this group watching such a bad film.
I love that the second captain boomerang gets out of the bag he immediately punches the first person he sees, like it genuinely feels like it's something his character would do
"You can't love EFAP Movies #22: Suicide Squad with Captial-O Opinions and Southpaw, EFAP Movies #22: Suicide Squad with Captial-O Opinions and Southpaw is an idea."
The Animated Suicide Squad movie had a better justification for this specific team: they wanted to break into Arkhan Asylum and Harly Quinn knew the ins and outs of the facility.
I don’t know what the worst of those animated movies, but it probably trumps the best of the DCEU. The animated movies are actually great, and if WB is gonna waste millions making more of this crap anyway, they should get that team to make one.
@@mrbiggles5389 What is it exactly you want us to love? Because we (that is most of us) do love/like/can appreciate Alien, Aliens, Predator, Predator 2, Predators, Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3 & 4 (when compared to Genesis & Dark Fate that is), Pirates of the Caribbean 1 (though I also like 2-4), Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly, Star Wars Episodes 4-6 (and 1-3, when compared to 7-9, Rogue One, & Solo that is), most of us like/love Avatar the Last Air Bender (even though MauLer & Rags don’t), Robocop 1987, Godzilla 2014, The Lord of the Ring trilogy, Joker, The Dark Knight, Batman Begins, Superman 1978, Batman & Robin, The Room (although not me personally), etc. Maybe we just don’t like the same things. Not all of us do, but that’s okay. You seem upset that most of us don’t like something you obviously do, and we can tell you exactly why we don’t. Could you tell us why you like the things you like beyond the superficial? Although it is okay to like things for superficial reasons, but to sit there and act like it’s okay to call us bad people, haters, & trolls; or to say we’re wrong for not liking something you do, IS wrong. Especially while we’re stating why we don’t like it, and backing it up with facts & logic. Oh by the way acting like Snyder’s movies are perfect (because that’s how it’s coming across), when they’re clearly not would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic.
@@R.J.Godzilla81 Many of us also lament as how much we wish we could love the DCEU if it was either just competently written or wasn't so up it's own ass all the time...
The real comedy here is that Suicide Squad won an Academy Award for Best Makeup and Hairstyling, making it the only DCEU movie to win an Oscar. It can legit be called the "award-winning" Suicide Squad!
Wait, you’re telling me that despite two movies being directed by the movie Messiah Snyder, the only DCEU movie that won an Oscar is a movie that wasn’t directed by him ? Am I allowed to maniacally laugh for five minutes straight ? XD
I like Suicide Squad, but Star Trek Beyond deserved that award, no contest. Then again it's not like it's the first time Academy Awards had questionable picks. How did Blade Runner lost the Best Visual Effects award to ET? Or Doctor Strange to The Jungle Book?
It’s funny that in this movie the former gangster who murdered his wife and children in a ball of fire is the most sympathetic and redeemable... and I dare say the DCU is made all the poorer by the fact they killed him off.
They could have made a three-hour long movie, showing his arc from small-time criminal to super-powered villain, to peaceful recluse, to being called back for 'one last job'. It would be full of hispanic representation, have themes of family, falling into the wrong crowd and redemption. You don't even need to change the actor, since he did an alright job with the material he had to work with. This sounds like a wet-dream for any hollywood producer and could perhaps be Logan-tier for adult superhero movies if given to the right person. Instead we got this shit. OWN IT. OWN THAT SHIT.
The Amanda scene of her shooting the FBi was supposed to show that she was a cold and heartless person to get things done even if it meant killing her own. The problem is as you mentioned it makes her look stupid for killing them for no reason. The animated series and films did a much better portrayal of Waller not giving a damn but she was smart and even would have some contingency plan in case the first failed. The movies just make her look inept. When she fucked up..she fucks up for reasons outside her influence.
I remember Amanda Waller in the Animated series was known for having a "verbal jabbing match" every time she encountered Batman at a scene. It was awesome seeing clips of the "Score" between their encounters.
The Suicide Squad are supposed to be evil. Yet all they're evil is exposited. We never see anything. and what we see is broken snippets that they need ten scenes to repeat and explain. Meanwhile Waller lies, blackmails, manipulates, threatens and kills people. Including those that work for her and are supposed to be in charge of her security. And we're supposed to go, "She's so cool. Strong boss lady. Don't fuck with her. But she's the good guys." Really? Even the witch is not as bad as Waller. The witch just wants freedom...and her brother...and people to worship her. So evil world destruction machine building time. Waller is selfish, risks other people's lives to save her own, and to clean up a mess that she created in the first place. She's garbage. As usual, the cartoons and animated movies did her character better.
@@nhagan001 Yeah plus there is the scene she revealed that she knew who Batman's real identity was and it was the first time batman was shook. The best part ab oh it their quarrels was that both knew each other was right in some way but that didn't yield to each other even when they cooperated at times.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 The cartoons show shes pretty much the necessary "evil" that is there to keep humans from falling to metahumans and the like. She'll do dirty work when no one else can to protect people even when it meant creating a clone of supergirl without her consent and others and even teaming up with fucking Luthor. The movie she is straight up evil even more so then the villains. It's pretty bad.
I have a genuine question. Because idk where I stand. And because there are too many examples and different opinions. When is it ok to reference the source material for a criticism of an adaptation. For me it’s like...ok so A lot of people have a problem with venom not being tied to spider man in the venom movie. I understand why, the origin and all that, but to me they made it work without spider man. On the other hand. Tony stark and bruce banner create ultron, and nobody seem to care hank pym had nothing to do with it. (For those who don’t already know ant man aka hank pym created ultron..as well as the avengers) which bothers the shit out of me.. And I’m like why is it ok for me to not care about it for venom but care about it for hank, and in turn why do I care people have the inverse opinion
To be fair, Waller killing a rebelling squad member to force the others to work is probably the most accurate thing to suicide squad in this adaptation.
Wonder Woman apparently walked away from humanity but not really since she was active in the 80s but didn’t give a fuck when the kryptonians were trying to terraform earth, it’s so confusing, flash is a pussy, Superman is dead and even if he wasn’t his solution would be to destroy the whole city, understandably the Atlantians don’t give a fuck
Joker pains: 12:39 - I need a machine gun 13:07 - Hurt ya 13:57 - Gangsta Joker, Harley Quinn, hunka hunka, beef 28:11 - Hahaha 29:00 - Snyder Cut Joker 29:10 - Chit chat 54:07 - I'm an idea 54:50 - Do it 1:01:02 - Thoughtlessly 1:06:35 - Grape soda 1:06:51 - Okay honey I kept coming back to them. Might as well time code it.
Don't forget, that was originally supposed to be Tom Hardy. And everyone cried when he had to leave this movie for another project. Thank f*ck. I shudder to imagine Tom Hardy in this movie, just given his acting chops and career trajectory. Even though Will Smith and Jared Leto and Margot Robbie are all here.
"What if Superman had flown to Washington D.C., torn the roof off the White House, and grabbed the President? Who would've climbed him?" *Slipknot steps out of shadows in corner of the room*
Not just against Superman, think about what Slipknot would've done in this movie with Enchantress. They are all fighting Enchantress meanwhile Slipknot is climbing all over Incubus annoying him to no end? What was the plan there?
Which is worse? "Mafia was hired by the military during WW2 = Captain Boomerang can take on Superman" or "Rats and elephants have been used in war = Weaponizing dinosaurs is also smart"
I’d say that weaponizing Dinosaurs sounds worse as at least Captain Boomerang cannot be traced back to you upon inevitable failure if this was an intelligent Amanda Waller... Then again an intelligent Amanda Waller wouldn’t send Captain Boomerang after Superman unless she wanted a laugh so my point is rather moot.
@@noshurviverse8388 Okay, yeah, allow me to rephrase: "Rats and elephants have been used in war = We should definitely train a dangerous hybrid animal, whose habits we can't possibly predict, to attack a laser pointer on command"
@@kylefrank638 And can't safely recover afterwards, thus leaving an animal trained to hunt humans loose to do god knows what to friends, enemies or civilians. there is literally nothing about weaponized dinosaurs that isn't the worst idea....
One of the main issues here is that the Suicide Squad are not meant to fight high level threats, but are meant to do covert jobs and be the fall guys if anything goes wrong. I always preferred the idea that this movie's plot should have been about how Cadmus sends this team to try and recover Zod's dead body (that would have been at a Lexcorp). P.S it is clear they cut out so many Joker scenes, but maybe that is a good thing because they lowered the cunning and resourceful aspects of the character to double down crazy egomaniac.
All they had to do was copy the animated movie which every one basically yelled them to do and they dont. It doesnt hell the movie tried desperately to be like Guardians of the Galaxy and see itself as a payback against Marvek when it wadnt even fucking close.
honestly this just highlights the singular greatest flaw in the entire DCEU : they don't know how to write anything but apocalyptic events. Everything the main characters face has to be a world ending event, and that just makes it all so ridiculous. Imagine if this had been more of a 'heist' movie because the main bad guy was working closely with, say, a non-idiotic Lex Luthor who's too powerful for even the government to work against directly. Would have been a great chance to set up the dynamics of the underworld of this universe, which has always been a much stronger element in classic DC than in Marvel nope, the world's ending (again), send in one useful fiery demon man and a bunch of expendable redshirts....
For all the talk of taking on meta-humans, the suicide squad are all street level thugs. They're better off in realistic games against street level heroes like the Flash. Or even Batman, given that he has no superpowers, and relies on being clever and fast on his feet. Yes he's got gadgets, yes he's big and strong and can punch hard, but Batman is a detective. People seem to forget that. Even in a fist fight, he uses his head to get the better off whoever it is.
Waller: You know what the problem is with a metahuman? The human part. Also Waller: We got lucky with Superman. He shared our values. ......Right. Because of his humanity.....
A man who could save Lois from thousand miles away but failed to locate his mom inside his own city. A man whose Lois death (yep, Lois not his mother) is enough to make him a space H*tler and kills everyone. Strong morality bro
@@nont18411 I meant that SHE thinks Superman shares our values and likes him for the humanity she sees in him, yet doesn't like humanity in metahumans. I was only pointing out her own internal hypocrisy.
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic Well, if MauLer does die to SS. Can we get tig-Bitty MooPer as the replacement? I am sure her critiques are just fine. And we finally get to look at waman.
Batman in BvS: "You work as a thug for LexCorp, and for all I know, have never hurt anyone? Time to spray you with lead from my batmobile mini gun!" Batman in Suicide Squad: "The two of you have murdered dozens, including Robin? I'm just gonna chase you, then save one of your lives."
I like to think that if Katana’s sword was broken, the ghosts would fly out of it, like when the Stonecutters threw Homer Simpson’s underwear into the fire.
34:23 The guy giving Harley Quinn the phone right in front of everybody and loudly telling her it's Mister J will totally make sense in the Ayer Cut, guys! Just give it a chance!
In Batman Assault on Arkham, everyone that was on the team needed to be there, it was a low level job, so having low level super villains was necessary.
Margot Robbie is a great actress. And she's is full frontal naked in Wolf of Wall Street. I'd be less embarassed if my family walked in on me watching those scenes from that movie than anything with her in Suicide Squad. Pretentious garbage. Needless oversexualization, done in the cheapest way imaginable. She's not Harley Quinn. She's a Twitch girl pretending to be Harley Quinn on camera. The costume is rubbish.
And even then they still don't share a single shot together despite Disney Channel's Liv and Maddie being able to splice two characters filmed at different times together into one shot on a weekly basis
Dr. Harley Quinn: If you were a musical instrument, what would you see yourself as? Joker: A cymbal Better than any of the "funny" jokes in this movie.
Right? Did everyone at Warner Bros. forget that the entire point of the Joker is that he's entertaining and funny? Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger (he actually has some good ones), Caesar Romero, and especially Mark Hamill all did this so why didn't Jared Leto?
Here is my understanding of the story behind how this movie came to be and where we are now: Ayer pitches the movie to the studio, and they love the pitch. They immediately greenlight the project, but to fit in with their slate, they need to fast-track the movie. So Ayer is told to have the script written and delivered in 6 weeks. As to why Ayer decided to write the movie rather than hire a screenwriter, I'm not sure. I don't know of any time he's addressed the subject. Anyway, when Ayer wrote it, Steppenwolf was the villain. He was supposed to be a precursor to Darkseid who was supposed to show up in Justice League. Then, Snyder changed his mind and wanted Steppenwolf for JL part 1 (at this time, the movie was supposed to be a 2-parter). So, right about the time the movie is about to go into production, Ayer learns that he needs to rewrite his script with an entirely new villain. The movie goes into production, and trailer 1 shows off this moody, grimy, nasty-looking crime movie that Ayer says he wanted to make. The movie continues to shoot. Trailer 2 comes out right before BvS. This trailer company decides to market it as a completely different movie than it was at the time using Queen in the soundtrack. The trailer EXPLODES in popularity. Meanwhile, the movie is having troubled pre-screenings. BvS happens. It's a disaster beyond the studio's wildest imagination. JL now is mandated to no longer be a two parter; Snyder and Terrio need to retool it to be a 1-parter. This sort of makes their previous decision to use Steppenwolf as a precursor villain to the main event kind of dumb and thus the last-minute rewrites of a hastily-put-together screenplay also more dumb than it already was. Among the criticisms of BvS is the problem of lack of levity. Studio sees the popularity of the Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-style Suicide Squad trailer and says, "Make the movie like Guardians of the Galaxy." Reshoots happen, and wider universe elements of the story are dropped to be more standalone. More jokes are added to the movie. Still not doing well in prescreening. WB actually hires the trailer studio to recut the film to be more like the trailers. Yes.... They hired a TRAILER COMPANY to edit a MOTION PICTURE. Among the things they do is add tons of licensed music and drastically reduce screen time for the Joker. Ayer objects. WB says "let's prescreen both versions and see which does better." Apparently the trailer company's version is received better. So WB decides to go with that version as the one they'll finish and release to theater, and Ayer plays nice supporting the movie in public. After much of this leaks he sticks by his company man stance and states "this is my cut." Fast forward a few years. Zack Snyder is releasing images of his original cut to drum up support for a new cut. When it becomes clear that the movement is gaining in popularity, Ayer starts to do the same thing for his version of Suicide Squad. He starts to answer questions about what his intentions were originally and what was cut. He says he should've just dropped Enchantress and just made the movie about trying to capture the Joker, but hindsight is 20/20. Says "my movie was no masterpiece, but it was better than what you got to see." Zack Snyder's Justice League gets announced. Now Ayer drops all the professional niceties. He starts hyping more images of his cut of the movie. Supports his own hashtag: #releasetheayercut. Changes his tune about the quality of his original movie and says "my movie was great, and we were all robbed." Has nice things to say about James Gunn, though. And continually hopes that Gunn's upcoming Suicide Squad attempt is well-received. And that ends my telling of what I understand to have happened from the time the movie was pitched to right now.
As I understand it, hiring the trailer park to do an alternate cut of the film happened before the reshoots. If I recall correctly, neither cut did well in test screenings, then came a round of reshoots and a compromised third cut that mixed the reshoots mostly with the original Ayer cut, but while also keeping elements of the trailer park cut. That compromised cut was then the cut that ended up in theatres.
This movie just makes me want to listen to my music instead. At least Guardians of the Galaxy’s music is thematically appropriate, has a role in the narrative and is all from the same time period.
Folding Ideas put it best when, after going through a lot of the songs that are just in the 1st act alone, he said, _"Baz Luhrmann_ has more restraint than this!"
And its more consistent. If they'd stuck to one artist, one genre, one time period, it would've worked. But nope, Eminem, Queen, Rap, Rock n Roll, romantic ballads, pop music... What else? Someone found their kids' Spotify playlist and said, "This is my gift. I'm gonna put my 14-year-old's entire playlist into this movie."
Agreed. I get people didn't like the music in The Great Gatsby. And sure, Baz is known for blending theatre with his movies. But even if it was a stylistic choice, good or bad, the songs Baz used matched what was happening in the scenes. And it embraces the OTT nature. Suicide Squad wants to be all dark and grim and serious and deep. Playing a pop song doesn't make a scene fun. Its pretentious. And cheapens the experience.
You think this "whaddya bring me" was good? This one has NOTHING on the Home Alone version... please check that one out - I spat my milkshake out laughing
Jared Leto's Joker just feels...wrong. Unnatural, if you will. Daddy issues Luthor actor too just didn't feel like Lex. They need better casting for their villains. Geez.
I cannot fathom the creative decisions that led to that Luthor. The off joker I can sort of understand what they were going for, but nothing about that Lex was "Lex like"
beyond maybe shazaam, does any character in the DCEU feel 'right'? hero or villain, beyond the name and the general aesthetic, there's nothing left of the actual characters This has always been my biggest problem with these movies, they are such horribly bad adaptations of much better material, and it's a shame
@@petriew2018 It’s funny that Green Lantern got so much hate. It’s not a great movie, sure, but it’s better or at least more sensical than the rest of the DCEU movies that followed.
@@mrshmuga9 it's weird really. Green Lantern's failure was due to it's over-reliance of flashy special effects and bloated action, and the way it wasted some actually decent if criminally under-utilized character work by some good actors. So naturally what you need is more Zack Snyder to turn things around...
It's not as bad as mine. I left the theater with my family seeing this horrible movie and we passed by a guy dressed as joker with his friends going in to see the movie. It was a sad sight
I can top that, i saw a guy around when this came out, who’d taken a perfectly good white Scion FR-S and had it wrapped in that “HAHAHA” scrawl, along with some vanity plate glorifying Joker & HQ.
Yeah I had a buddy get that lame ass Joker Smile hand tat. Then again he was a bit unstable and thought he was like the Joker until he suicided by cop.
Batman beats her dad, she does nothing. Her dad gets ready to fight back a.k.a. DEFEND HIMSELF, nows a good time ensure my father goes to jail after spending quality time with me. only to complain about later no doubt.
Also, Batman in the comics is the guy who has a street kid point a gun in his face and calmly talks him out of it: "A man with a gun killed your parents. Guess what? Mine, too. Look what became of us. You pull that trigger, you are no different than that man. Ts not too late. Throw thay gun away". I'm paraphrasing, but... Meanwhile Batman in the DCEU, beats up Deadshot in front of his kid, then lets the kid get in between himself and a loaded gun, and then he ties up the guy and leaves him there, with his daughter, till the cops arrive. Wtf?!
@@valentinegonsalves7322 yeah, like why didn’t he tail him and wait for him to drop off his daughter and then restrain him. I’m convinced this version of Batman had brain damage from the fall and is just a huge brute.
"Ha, your mind remembered what movie you're watching and changed the name of the song to fit!" *MR surreptitiously alters 'Fortunate Son' to match in the track list*
38:08 Hey editior you missed Ballroom Blitz, not that I blame ya, its like jesus christ your gonna need a huge list for this one, and at first I thought you put it in.
We need a Team to beat *Superman* - Who can't be hurt by firearms or blunt weapons. "Ya Know who we could call? A man who can climb ANYTHING" David Ayer was drunk when he wrote the script.
Lex Luthor in BvS enrages me more, because he's my favorite villain, but the Joker in this film is easily more of a cringe machine, and is still done so dirty it's basically splitting hairs which one is worse/more unfaithful.
The annoying part is they feel like the exact same character type in practice acting kooky and spouting the occasional "ain't I smart?" line. Only real difference is if it's worse when played straight or when that happens by accident
"now they worship machines" wow what an amazing piece of commentary u get it itz cuz everyone is on their phone now omg the genius zack snyder STRIKES AGAIN! WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY INDEED!
Let's all take a moment to be thankful that EFAP won't have to suffer through the (nearly 3-hour) Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad. Edit: Actually it may have been 142 minutes, not almost 3-hours. It's unconfirmed what the actual runtime would be.
Remember when there was this relatively small yet fierce/loud defense movement of this movie during its initial release that strived to destroy rotten tomatoes for the sake of this film? It looks like those people in favor of defending suicide squad has died down since then, but I wonder if there are significant voices still out there.
Oh yeah I remember. It pretty much died out when the film came out and literally a week after it did. Most were just DCEU fans thinking this movie had a shot to compete against Marvel.
@@nont18411 I know. I am not excited for anything after infinity war. Even hearing the spiderman movie undoing Doc Ocks death is making me less enthusiastic. Though this was the inevitable since they are skipping all the way to the trashy modern parts of Marvel comics with some of their movies and other parts are just whatever.
@@isaiahgarraway5568 About Jesus imagery, Karli was portrayed as Jesus in this show and Sam managed to bring her to the ambulance on time, which means that Karli could be “resurrected” in Cap 4 just like Jesus himself.
@@SouthpawLP Hope you had your fun as a Mr Biggles imposter today my little troll. Whatever dark arts that you used to achieve this villainy will not go unpunished. Whenever you are walking along the path at night and you hear the ruffling in the tall grass and the whimper of the hedges and ferns blowing in the winter wind ask yourself; Is today the day Biggles pounces? Will today be the day of Biggles revenge?
I like the idea of Joker being more involved in organized crime because that fits some of his versions as a former hitman who went of the deep end but this was done so badly it is astonishing this was reviewed and approved by anyone with any sort of financial investment in it.
Never mind that. You can have him be a criminal. Or an embodiment of/a mirror image of Batman's principles. You cannot have a pimp say "I'm an idea" while wearing makeup and bling and call him the Joker. Also, okay fine. Joke is a mob boss criminal. But then they give him his own car. All Batman/Bruce has to do is look for a custom built purple Lamborghini. Hell, Jim Gordon and the GCPD could do that much. How hard can it be? Some say, "Oh, its a stolen car." But Joker has it in two different flashbacks, the Harley motorcycle piece and the Batman chase where's she's his babe. That's a long time he's had that car. Wtf?!
Why would Killer Kroc seclude himself deep underground most of the time? if he's part crocodile wouldn't he be cold-blooded and there for need the sun to keep his body temperature up so he wouldn't freeze to death?
At 52:05 the film shows the villan's minions are just normal people turned into the goopy monsters. Even though the team doesn't know this, it adds an uneasy feeling when they kill them that the film doesn't seem to be aware of. The Suicide Squad are technically killing normal people and it's not addressed anywhere during the film's runtime. Seems like an incredible oversight to add the scene showing the guy turn but never address the consequences that come from that.
Technically you could say they were dead because they were killed by being turned into goopy monsters but that doesn't make it much better. Given the numbers that means thousands of people were slaughtered at the minimum; to compare franchises it's a massacre of civilians as bad as in OmniMan's fight with Invincible in the season finale, just minus the gore. Then Again I didn't see Man of Steel so maybe that's just normal.
@@majordbag2 Hope they are killed being turned into the goopy monsters, otherwise it would really suck being one of those turned then killed by the sword that traps their souls forever.
Seriously should have had Deadshot take Slipknots gear if they were going to kill him. Would have loved to see him use that creatively or with his precision. But this movie is just a pattern of wrong choices.
The rationale given for forming the Suicide Squad is “what is Superman turned evil?” Problem is, almost none of the members of the Squad are qualified to handle Superman. A crazy clown girl, a dude who can shoot good, a crocodile man, a drunk Australian guy and “the man who can climb anything?”
The best one they have is Pyro and Superman has frost breath to at least somewhat negate him anyway. Plus, he gets his powers from the Sun. A little fire isn’t gonna do anything.
And that the point of this movie boils down to: save Amanda Waller, who set up the events to allow Enchantress and her brother to become a significant threat - to EVERYONE. So she’s an incompetent bad lady
@@mrshmuga9 Actually it's even worse when you consider the first movie where superman is in multiple explosions and heat and it doesnt bother him at all. So yeah Diablo isn't going to do shit to him. Though it's weird a nuke can hurt superman which is something taken from the dark knight returns comic where supes get hit by a nuke and nearly dies.
@@isaiahgarraway5568 Well the difference between an explosion and a nuke is that a nuke is radioactive, so I could understand that distinction. Kyptonite glows green so you could make the argument that it's radioactive, but at a much higher concentration. But ya, Diablo es meurto.
Yep, especially the ruthless, uncaring Superman in this stupid Universe lol, remember how he totally trashed that guy in Justice League? Like the fight was just over as soon as Superman got in it, but no these guys they were formed to take him on...
My only experience watching these movies is through EFAP's eyes Thank you, Pretty sure they would have driven me quite mad without the knowledge that you find them nuts too
Deadshot’s scene of showing off his shooting skills is my favorite scene in the movie. Him loading the gun, to the “comedy” of him pointing the gun at that guy, even Waller’s little line of following up on Deadshot assuming the bullets were blanks, daring him to pull the trigger. And then just him making his demands and such.......but then the fun’s pretty much over for me after that.
Thats the thing. I'm so sick of what the character has become. Both in the comics and as a symbol in pop culture. Harley Quinn is not a comics character. She was originally created for the animated cartoons. And it was a kids' cartoon. So she wasn't a commentary on sexuality and identity and gender and abusive relationships and empowerment and objectification and loyalty and what have you. She was a crazy person who though helping Joker would make him appreciate her because no one else ever did. And Joker not doing that, was simply to say, "There is no point in doing bad things just to be liked and validated by people. Because chances are they're bad people, so it means nothing to them and instead they'll use you to get their work done." The end. She's not an angsty teenaged girl with abandonment issues or a sassy badass who intimidates anyone. She's started out great but has become unbearable and grating. As a character.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 « She’s not an angsty teenaged girl with abandonment issues » Maybe not for the first part, but you’ve literally described her with abandonment issues. And she may not have been created as a way to deliver a commentary any deeper than « don’t lower yourself to befriend bad people, chances are that won’t make them love you and it’ll just harm you », but wether they wanted it or not that factually makes her a textbook example of an abusive relationship. And if she already is, then why not use that ? I agree that this part of the character shouldn’t overshadow the rest of her comical character, although as far as intimidation is concerned I’d just take that as coming with medium adaptation, it’s the kind of changes that may be necessary when switching from cartoons, that are generally lighthearted, relatively, to movies, especially super hero movies, that are generally more serious, tone wise.
@@nathanjora7627 my problem with that is these movies trying very hard to use her treatment by the Joker(something according to this film she willingly accepted even after the Joker tried to run her off) to excuse the fact she is a generally horrible person... and you say light heated... the OG Batman cartoon that spawned her could get pretty dark, especially with how it depicted Joker treating Harley. Actually come to think of it I think one of the last episodes of that show has Harley finally snapping from how the Joker treats her and the last we see of it is the Joker backing away and pleading with Harley to calm down.
@@BigBroTejano « my problem is that these movies trying very hard to user her treatment [...] to excuse the fact that she is a generally horrible person » Sure, if they do that it’s dumb, although to be fair trying to use a tragic/pathetic backstory to excuse an evil character or soften his image in the audience’s eyes is a pretty common trope. I was just addressing the fact Valentine Gonsalves pointed out that there seems to be a trend of using her character as a metaphor/representation of abusive relationship. « you say light heated » Even the OG Batman cartoon is more than goofy enough to justify saying it’s light hearted ^^ But maybe that’s not the right word I want to communicate what I’m trying to say still, I just don’t know any better way if there is one. « the last we see of it is the Joker backing away and pleading with Harley to calm down » 0_0 But then Valentine Gonsalves, and you if you share his opinions, should have no issue about Harley being intimidating :|
And then it (the sequal) wasn't that, it was just a good movie on its own. Unlike this POS movie. Hope they watch the new one since it might be the best DC movie at least in the cinematic universe it's definitely up there maybe past Joker
I’d just like to say, Meme Repository has been doing amazing with these edits. They have consistently landed. If you read this, keep on keeping on. Know that the community has noticed your work and appreciates it!
Of the additional scenes in this cut are anything to go by then the Ayer Cut wouldn't add stuff to make the Suicide Squad men have their sense of camaraderie, but rather more scenes of Harley Qwinn and Joker.
Remember in BvS when Batman had a huge mental breakdown just because Superman says his mom's name. Now completely unrealted, remember in this film when Batman attacks a kid's father in a alleyway.
One of my teachers from high school had a ringtone on her cell that was just Jared Leto Joker's laugh with the knives, just cause of how weird it sounds out of context(and as well as in context)
![일상 속 기분 좋음 [Proto disco meme]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/DwmEIaZ7XGQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Batman attacking a father in front of his child in an alley.
What is the reason Bruce Wayne became Batman again?
Oh my god... I was so stuck on this homicidal Batman sparing one of two involved with the death of his son that I never noticed this.
Oof, these films just keep getting worse.
What makes you think that would bother him? ...Oh, right.
That was my biggest problem with this film. That's like Batman 101. The Snyderverse even has it lightly snowing when his parents are killed. For all we know this is the exact same alley! He even says he doesn't want to do this in front of his daughter! Well then don't do it! Wait till he drops his daughter off at her mom's or the daughter is asleep and confront him then! Bruce would be all about not emotionally scarring young children for the rest of their life in dark alleyways by ripping their parents away from them. If there was one thing you wouldn't catch Batman doing ever it would be that. And they had him do it.
@@blizzardregulus also killing 2 dozen random henchmen and delivery men who may be innocent of any crime
I can't wait until Justice League 2, when their only chance of stopping Darkseid is to use a mother box to resurrect Slipknot.
"Are you too soon? You are too soon."
-Barry Al Baggins.
Oscar Issac: "Somehow...Slipknot returned."
Slipknot: "I'm back, bitches." *grappling gun deploys, exits top of frame
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic
*small explosion from offscreen*
@@valentinegonsalves7322
This is Slipknot. The man who can climb anything!
Quintonius Reviewings.
Slipknot died doing what he loves: climbing anything. RIP.
EFAP doing what he loves: hating anything Snyder, anything DC, anything Christian.
@@mrbiggles5389 how fucking stupid do you have to do to equate the dark and wannabe edgy DCEU with anything christian? the two do not go together....
@@mrbiggles5389 Biggles doing what he loves: making stupid comments.
@@MorallyDubiousFrog Biggles doing what he loves; Gods work
@@mrbiggles5389 I doubt that God wants you to defend him but whatever, you are probably a troll.
The whole point of the suicide squad in the comics is that Waller has them do things that super heroes WON’T do.
Like, illegal shit that Waller’s agency believes will benefit the world, the US, or themselves depending on the given story.
It makes no sense to have them stop some world-ending threat, because at least one of the many super heroes that exist in the world would DEFINITELY show up to save the world.
Blehhhhh
Yea like if superman turn evil, just summon other members of the JL like ww, aquaman, flash and batman. Why tf you need criminals to fight superman instead of other heroes?
ya but Superman sed maybe "witch way too spoopy for me" or whatever wtf. chill out with nitpicks, bruh.
--Yours Very Sincerely, Walter H. Iggins
Where did you learn to trap the souls of your victims, Katana? On a FARM?!
That's a windy road to get there, but it's worth it 🤣🤣🤣
Katana had her chance!
@@nont18411 THIS IS KATANA, her sword traps its souls of its victim On a FARM
Nani!?
Katana, ENAAAAF!!!
Does anyone else think it's kinda cheating that the "man who can climb anything" fires a grappling hook? That's like someone who can speak any language using Google translate.
“What’s your power?”
“THE ROSETTA STONE”
in fairness i doubt that your average joe is skilled with a grappling hook, but yeah the implication that he’s one of a kind is silly
I mean, if you can use Google translate in real time to hold full conversations in any language you want that's kind of a superpower
Or a guy with a reputation that he can't miss, using technology to calculate trajectories so as to not miss?
🤔
Oh, and I suppose you are one of those people that think it's unfair of us to praise The Don for being the best human being ever, just because he's a god? Jeeze, man, why can't you just watch a movie for its themes for once? (/s)
"What are we, some kind of Slipknot, the man who can climb anything?" -Leto Baggins
"Ironic. Slipknot could climb others from death, but not himself."
-Bilubo Bagginsu-senpai
Nah, we’re Katana. I wouldn’t recommend getting killed by her; her sword traps the souls of its victims
" what are you? Some kinda Joker ? "
Fresh Prince of Bel Air probably
Where did you learn to tie knots? On a FARM?!
-bilbo jebbins
Is that supposed to be, slipknot the man who can climb anything
Wonder Woman: Diana knows Steve Trevor for two weeks at the most. And she spends the next 70-80-100 years hung up over him. To the point that she wishes him back in another guy's body, bangs him and doesn't want him to go be dead again.
Suicide Squad: The Squad has been together for less than 24 hours and Diablo is calling them "these are my people", "I ain't losing my family" and Harley goes, "you shouldn't have messed with my friends."
What?
@@WrathofFenrir99 rofl.
That's called character development. Well, that's my 4 years old who told me that, so what do I know.
Diane Prince really tops Bruce Wayne’s depression span in TDKR. At least Bruce didn’t go out to rape any lady who happened to be wished with the face of Rachel.
Well what about Guardians? Does it have the same issue?
Ludwig Amadeus Haydn What is the issue in Guardians?
Fun Fact: Captain Boomerang's Unicorn, Bruce Wayne (not Batman), Flash and the book Harley reads in prison all have more screentime than Slipknot; The Man Who Can Climb Anything.
“Big whoop” or whatever flag says 😂
Rags saying
“My knot never slips”
Has a totally different connotation when you remember he’s a dog.
but he was a big step forward for minority representation, i'm sure
not that he's on screen long enough for you to realize he's a minority... but it totally counts, right?
Second only to Snowjob, the G.I. Joe with the most unfortunate name.
44:37 He could climb anything, except for his way out of this movie
"And where did you train?!
*_WITH SOME KIND OF...SUICIDE SQUAD?!"_*
And where did you learn to become a hate monger? At a Toxic Brood?!?!
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic Well, yes, but actually, no.
@@grandarkfang_1482 🍻
CAPTAIN BOOMERANG HAD HIS CHANCE!
'I'm not someone who's loved... I'm a jolly rancher!'
They said Captain Boomerang is there cause 'He tangled with a metahuman and survived.'
He was captured almost immediately by the Flash. He didn't tangle with anything.
"She's as crazy as him. And more fearless"
*"Puddin I can't swim!"*
So much for fearless
It is like mocking the viewer. They say A and after 30 seconds B happens XD
Always found this line dumb. You can't be MORE fearless, you're either fearless or not. Lol
>Olympic level gymnast
>can't swim
Mhhm yet okay.
Ok I'm sorry, isn't being fearless a binary yes or no? Does that mean that if someone is fearless and therefore has 0% fear then you have like, -10%? Would that make you suicidal?
Amanda Waller: "I assigned Batman to capture the Joker, and just as I'd hoped, it got personal..."
Joker: "Besides, who's gonna give you a reach around?"
You win 🤣🤣🤣
Amanda Waller has the inexplicable power to make any two people fall in love by assigning them together, whether they want it or not
@@cyrus2395 She just assigns two people together and off they go falling madly in love. I wonder if it would work for people and an object too. Perhaps all those people who “love” their cars aren’t to blame, it was simply Amanda Waller assigning the person to the car.
@@Theendman42 By George, you've figured it out!
Let's be honest guys, Slipknot The Man Who Can Climb Anything is one of the best movie characters ever in the history of film
👍😉
Up there with The Don. And almost as much screen time lolz. Farewell, Slipknot, we hardly knew ye.
More actual character development than anything in the Snydercut
I heard the actor spent months playing on jungle gyms to research the role.
@@02hurst Adam Beach is a fantastic actor. At least he gets to snap a neck and climb anything before getting his head blown off. His Wikipedia page mentions that he was caught by Wonder woman in the early 2000s, which is strange because it seems like yet another retcon of the universe that contrasts with bvs, Man of steel and both of the Wonder woman movies. Either way it would be cool to see him getting caught in the intro of the next disastrous Wonder woman movie perhaps
Rags hispanic accent is the best fake french accent I ever heard....
He clearly learnt it on a NewZealand Farm.
@@yetanotherspuart3993 don't drag us into this haha
"Harely, why don't you stop acting like a drunken stripper." Probably my favorite line in the movie.
Yep. Not only is her character badly written, on top of that her lines are awful, and all the twelve accents make her insufferable.
Also, I'm not one to complain about naked girls in my movies. I also do not entertain the male gaze argument. But there is a point beyond which it just gets cheap. Anything to make Harley take her shirt off or bend over, or hey, wet T-Shirt, or hey, turn around and ramp-walk while the camera pervs up and down her butt.
Again, I'm hate the whole "this is the male gaze" argument. Because loads of women willingly cosplay as Harley Quinn. But even then, some go for cheap and slutty and some go more modest/personal touch. Harley Quinn in this movie is a cheap cosplayer who had one day to get a costume.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 you are arguing this Harley Quinn is an e-thot.
I second it.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 That kind of cinematogrpahy is on brand for Harley Quinn though.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 the difference between women cosplaying and the "male gaze" argument is that:
1. Margo Robbie was uncomfortable with the costume
2. Her whole framing in the movie is in fact that of a "drunken stripper" - she's just there so you can get horny to the barely clothed crazy chick. The OG "male gaze" argument is that women are overly sexualized for no reason and often have no role besides being a sex object. Which is sexist, no matter how you look at it. Now, there's nothing wrong with fan service. But if you're doing fanservice why isn't it equal to some extend? And why not give her personality that's not just being hot? Catwoman is a good example I think - she's a seductive, highly sexual character that wears bare minimum of clothes a lot of the time... She's still her own character lol.
Edit: uricksaladbar did a great video about the topic "Writing Women Heavy Rain vs Disco Elysium". It highlights why certain writing is sexist without falling into the puritan "anti-fanservice" trap, and also explaining it from the writing perspective. Overall, this guy's very based a lot of the time lol.
The one where Rags asks many sensible questions
and there are no sensible answers
Themes be like:
"I'm not someone who is objective...
I'm an idea!"
I’m so happy that Rags hasn’t seen this before. It makes his reactions to the horrible script so perfect. It’s the perfect dynamic for this group watching such a bad film.
Why would he have? He hates DC almost as much as he hates Christians.
@@mrbiggles5389 mmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmnmmnnnmmmm-Man Of Steel Sucks!!!
@@mrbiggles5389 Snyder loves them so much he made Jared Letho's Joker pose as Jesus in the cross.
Very Christian.
@@mrbiggles5389 Ah, there you are, you legend you
I love that the second captain boomerang gets out of the bag he immediately punches the first person he sees, like it genuinely feels like it's something his character would do
"What are we, some kind of EFAP Movies #22: Suicide Squad with Capital-O Opinions and Southpaw?"
Lol
No, we are not, Cap wasn't there they lied. THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE
"You can't love EFAP Movies #22: Suicide Squad with Captial-O Opinions and Southpaw, EFAP Movies #22: Suicide Squad with Captial-O Opinions and Southpaw is an idea."
I shouldn’t laugh at something this dumb, especially given how overstated the joke has gotten since... and yet here I am, laughing.
Capital O had his chance!
He trained on a farm!
The Animated Suicide Squad movie had a better justification for this specific team: they wanted to break into Arkhan Asylum and Harly Quinn knew the ins and outs of the facility.
And the animated movie didn’t desperately try and make these psychopaths and murders out to be some kind of heroes.
@@BigBroTejano And they weren't formed under the pretense that they could be used to fight someone as powerful as Superman
I don’t know what the worst of those animated movies, but it probably trumps the best of the DCEU. The animated movies are actually great, and if WB is gonna waste millions making more of this crap anyway, they should get that team to make one.
@@shadowagent7361 And yet, that's the exact premise of the Suicide Squad game.
@@ProxyDoug There's a game???
“You can’t love me 👏 I’m an idea” - Theseus Baggenus.
There is no love on the channel of hate
This also disproves objective sound design (which was incredible btw).
@@mrbiggles5389 What is it exactly you want us to love? Because we (that is most of us) do love/like/can appreciate Alien, Aliens, Predator, Predator 2, Predators, Terminator, Terminator 2, Terminator 3 & 4 (when compared to Genesis & Dark Fate that is), Pirates of the Caribbean 1 (though I also like 2-4), Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Firefly, Star Wars Episodes 4-6 (and 1-3, when compared to 7-9, Rogue One, & Solo that is), most of us like/love Avatar the Last Air Bender (even though MauLer & Rags don’t), Robocop 1987, Godzilla 2014, The Lord of the Ring trilogy, Joker, The Dark Knight, Batman Begins, Superman 1978, Batman & Robin, The Room (although not me personally), etc.
Maybe we just don’t like the same things. Not all of us do, but that’s okay. You seem upset that most of us don’t like something you obviously do, and we can tell you exactly why we don’t. Could you tell us why you like the things you like beyond the superficial? Although it is okay to like things for superficial reasons, but to sit there and act like it’s okay to call us bad people, haters, & trolls; or to say we’re wrong for not liking something you do, IS wrong. Especially while we’re stating why we don’t like it, and backing it up with facts & logic. Oh by the way acting like Snyder’s movies are perfect (because that’s how it’s coming across), when they’re clearly not would be laughable if it wasn’t so tragic.
@@R.J.Godzilla81 Many of us also lament as how much we wish we could love the DCEU if it was either just competently written or wasn't so up it's own ass all the time...
I think you’re confused. This quote is actually attributed to Cringeous Bigideas
Slipknot is the man who can climb anything. And in the end one way or another.
He was the only one that managed to escape this movie.
The real comedy here is that Suicide Squad won an Academy Award for Best Makeup and Hairstyling, making it the only DCEU movie to win an Oscar. It can legit be called the "award-winning" Suicide Squad!
Wait, you’re telling me that despite two movies being directed by the movie Messiah Snyder, the only DCEU movie that won an Oscar is a movie that wasn’t directed by him ?
Am I allowed to maniacally laugh for five minutes straight ? XD
@@nathanjora7627
I do hope you are still laughing at this.
@@yetanotherspuart3993 I’m asthmatic so unfortunately it’s pretty hard to keep it up for two hours straight, but I’m doing my best ^^
@@nathanjora7627
Just enjoy yourself fellow Broodling, don't get dead over the stupidity of this film, or the Oscars.
I like Suicide Squad, but Star Trek Beyond deserved that award, no contest. Then again it's not like it's the first time Academy Awards had questionable picks. How did Blade Runner lost the Best Visual Effects award to ET? Or Doctor Strange to The Jungle Book?
It’s funny that in this movie the former gangster who murdered his wife and children in a ball of fire is the most sympathetic and redeemable... and I dare say the DCU is made all the poorer by the fact they killed him off.
unironically the best part of the movie.
He is borderline more likeable than some of the DCEU heroes
They could have made a three-hour long movie, showing his arc from small-time criminal to super-powered villain, to peaceful recluse, to being called back for 'one last job'. It would be full of hispanic representation, have themes of family, falling into the wrong crowd and redemption. You don't even need to change the actor, since he did an alright job with the material he had to work with. This sounds like a wet-dream for any hollywood producer and could perhaps be Logan-tier for adult superhero movies if given to the right person.
Instead we got this shit. OWN IT. OWN THAT SHIT.
Unironically the only character I'm invested in. I also think the actor did really good
Well, this is Snyders DCEU, you can't have a Villain being Redeemable, that wouldn't be logical.
The Amanda scene of her shooting the FBi was supposed to show that she was a cold and heartless person to get things done even if it meant killing her own. The problem is as you mentioned it makes her look stupid for killing them for no reason. The animated series and films did a much better portrayal of Waller not giving a damn but she was smart and even would have some contingency plan in case the first failed. The movies just make her look inept. When she fucked up..she fucks up for reasons outside her influence.
I remember Amanda Waller in the Animated series was known for having a "verbal jabbing match" every time she encountered Batman at a scene.
It was awesome seeing clips of the "Score" between their encounters.
The Suicide Squad are supposed to be evil. Yet all they're evil is exposited. We never see anything. and what we see is broken snippets that they need ten scenes to repeat and explain.
Meanwhile Waller lies, blackmails, manipulates, threatens and kills people. Including those that work for her and are supposed to be in charge of her security. And we're supposed to go, "She's so cool. Strong boss lady. Don't fuck with her. But she's the good guys."
Really? Even the witch is not as bad as Waller. The witch just wants freedom...and her brother...and people to worship her. So evil world destruction machine building time.
Waller is selfish, risks other people's lives to save her own, and to clean up a mess that she created in the first place. She's garbage.
As usual, the cartoons and animated movies did her character better.
@@nhagan001 Yeah plus there is the scene she revealed that she knew who Batman's real identity was and it was the first time batman was shook. The best part ab oh it their quarrels was that both knew each other was right in some way but that didn't yield to each other even when they cooperated at times.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 The cartoons show shes pretty much the necessary "evil" that is there to keep humans from falling to metahumans and the like. She'll do dirty work when no one else can to protect people even when it meant creating a clone of supergirl without her consent and others and even teaming up with fucking Luthor.
The movie she is straight up evil even more so then the villains. It's pretty bad.
I have a genuine question. Because idk where I stand. And because there are too many examples and different opinions.
When is it ok to reference the source material for a criticism of an adaptation.
For me it’s like...ok so
A lot of people have a problem with venom not being tied to spider man in the venom movie. I understand why, the origin and all that, but to me they made it work without spider man.
On the other hand. Tony stark and bruce banner create ultron, and nobody seem to care hank pym had nothing to do with it. (For those who don’t already know ant man aka hank pym created ultron..as well as the avengers) which bothers the shit out of me..
And I’m like why is it ok for me to not care about it for venom but care about it for hank, and in turn why do I care people have the inverse opinion
That sad choir should play whenever Jared Leto opens his mouth in real life too
For the musically inclined, it is Lacrymosa, from Mozart's Requiem Symphony.
@@Tundra. it's not a symphony, it's a mass
“The man who can climb anything.”
*blows up and falls down to hit the window*
*mauler wheezes in the background*
No, idiot, only his HEAD blew up. Jeeze, watch the movie for its themes for once! (/s)
To be fair, Waller killing a rebelling squad member to force the others to work is probably the most accurate thing to suicide squad in this adaptation.
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@@mrbiggles5389 i'm genuinely curious as to what the fuck you think you're referencing with this time code...
@@mrbiggles5389 i'm genuinely impressed by the absolute tardery you show when comenting on every video from efap
Meme Repository's edits have been absolutely making this series
Yeh he's an absolute ledge 😉👍
I can't imagine how long the Snyder Cut video will be. My bet it will be around 5 to 6 hours long.
*LOOK AT IT*
Slipzod absolutely killed me
@@rascoehunter3608 No matter how long, it will be glorious. We will indeed have to look at it.
I can buy Aquaman and the Atlanteans not giving a shit but Batman, Wonder Woman and the Flash should be showing up to that final battle lol
+Martian manhunter
I get it this universe, none of them expect BatFleck care about anyone.
Flash is a big wuss in this universe so I'd buy that he wouldnt show up
Wonder Woman apparently walked away from humanity but not really since she was active in the 80s but didn’t give a fuck when the kryptonians were trying to terraform earth, it’s so confusing, flash is a pussy, Superman is dead and even if he wasn’t his solution would be to destroy the whole city, understandably the Atlantians don’t give a fuck
@@Destino2493
"Who cares about continuity"
-snyder-simps.
Rags being gaslit by the film and the panel is weirdly amusing.
Oh I did love that so much.
really captured the authentic experience of what it’s like to watch this movie for the first time
7
Poor Rags losing his mind and no one can help lol
Rags is about as objective with DC films as Jussie Smollett is with Trump supporters. SDS meet TDS.
Joker pains:
12:39 - I need a machine gun
13:07 - Hurt ya
13:57 - Gangsta Joker, Harley Quinn, hunka hunka, beef
28:11 - Hahaha
29:00 - Snyder Cut Joker
29:10 - Chit chat
54:07 - I'm an idea
54:50 - Do it
1:01:02 - Thoughtlessly
1:06:35 - Grape soda
1:06:51 - Okay honey
I kept coming back to them. Might as well time code it.
Thank you
Needs pinned
He's in even more pain now
OMG why u do this to us. xD PurePain even after all those yrs.
So much PAIN.
"Where does the soul go if the sword is destroyed?"
"To heaven, or another sword."
I cackled at that one
The fact that Jai Courtney is the most entertaining thing in this movie speaks volumes not just about this movie but the DCEU itself.
he’s probably gonna die in the upcoming movie
Don't forget, that was originally supposed to be Tom Hardy. And everyone cried when he had to leave this movie for another project.
Thank f*ck. I shudder to imagine Tom Hardy in this movie, just given his acting chops and career trajectory. Even though Will Smith and Jared Leto and Margot Robbie are all here.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 thank god he left, because of that we got the revenant which is sooooo much better
@@valentinegonsalves7322 And then Hardy went on to do a Penguin impression as Al Capone lol
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS are you shitting me?
"What if Superman had flown to Washington D.C., torn the roof off the White House, and grabbed the President? Who would've climbed him?"
*Slipknot steps out of shadows in corner of the room*
Not just against Superman, think about what Slipknot would've done in this movie with Enchantress.
They are all fighting Enchantress meanwhile Slipknot is climbing all over Incubus annoying him to no end?
What was the plan there?
Which is worse? "Mafia was hired by the military during WW2 = Captain Boomerang can take on Superman"
or "Rats and elephants have been used in war = Weaponizing dinosaurs is also smart"
I’d say that weaponizing Dinosaurs sounds worse as at least Captain Boomerang cannot be traced back to you upon inevitable failure if this was an intelligent Amanda Waller...
Then again an intelligent Amanda Waller wouldn’t send Captain Boomerang after Superman unless she wanted a laugh so my point is rather moot.
To be fair, at least weaponizing dinosaurs sounds entertaining. Watching Captain Boomerang go up against Superman just sounds boring and pitiful.
I'd argue that weaponizing dinosaurs isn't the worst idea, pretty decent honestly, but not at all how the movie portrays.
@@noshurviverse8388 Okay, yeah, allow me to rephrase: "Rats and elephants have been used in war = We should definitely train a dangerous hybrid animal, whose habits we can't possibly predict, to attack a laser pointer on command"
@@kylefrank638 And can't safely recover afterwards, thus leaving an animal trained to hunt humans loose to do god knows what to friends, enemies or civilians. there is literally nothing about weaponized dinosaurs that isn't the worst idea....
One of the main issues here is that the Suicide Squad are not meant to fight high level threats, but are meant to do covert jobs and be the fall guys if anything goes wrong. I always preferred the idea that this movie's plot should have been about how Cadmus sends this team to try and recover Zod's dead body (that would have been at a Lexcorp). P.S it is clear they cut out so many Joker scenes, but maybe that is a good thing because they lowered the cunning and resourceful aspects of the character to double down crazy egomaniac.
All they had to do was copy the animated movie which every one basically yelled them to do and they dont. It doesnt hell the movie tried desperately to be like Guardians of the Galaxy and see itself as a payback against Marvek when it wadnt even fucking close.
honestly this just highlights the singular greatest flaw in the entire DCEU : they don't know how to write anything but apocalyptic events. Everything the main characters face has to be a world ending event, and that just makes it all so ridiculous.
Imagine if this had been more of a 'heist' movie because the main bad guy was working closely with, say, a non-idiotic Lex Luthor who's too powerful for even the government to work against directly. Would have been a great chance to set up the dynamics of the underworld of this universe, which has always been a much stronger element in classic DC than in Marvel
nope, the world's ending (again), send in one useful fiery demon man and a bunch of expendable redshirts....
For all the talk of taking on meta-humans, the suicide squad are all street level thugs.
They're better off in realistic games against street level heroes like the Flash. Or even Batman, given that he has no superpowers, and relies on being clever and fast on his feet. Yes he's got gadgets, yes he's big and strong and can punch hard, but Batman is a detective. People seem to forget that. Even in a fist fight, he uses his head to get the better off whoever it is.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 The Arkam movie actually did that where the suicide squad faced off agaisnt Batman. Dont know why they didn't do it here.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 Batman-world’s greatest detective
Meanwhile DCEU Batman-got tricked by Lex Luthor
Waller: You know what the problem is with a metahuman? The human part.
Also Waller: We got lucky with Superman. He shared our values.
......Right. Because of his humanity.....
Good thing Clark's father instilled excellent values and ethics during his formative years...
...ON A FARM!!!
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic "Maybe"
A man who could save Lois from thousand miles away but failed to locate his mom inside his own city. A man whose Lois death (yep, Lois not his mother) is enough to make him a space H*tler and kills everyone.
Strong morality bro
@@nont18411 Well, he learned that maybe he shouldn't save people, from an early age. Why don't you just enjoy the themes instead of nitpick! (/s)
@@nont18411 I meant that SHE thinks Superman shares our values and likes him for the humanity she sees in him, yet doesn't like humanity in metahumans. I was only pointing out her own internal hypocrisy.
"Harley quinn is crazier and more fearless than Joker" - next scene shows Harley visibly fearful because she cant swim
"Now THAT'S a killer app!"
*MauLer making a legitimate, actual, real, death groan.
I felt that. I felt that Moolslie.
R.I.P Mauler
@@Hollyclown after over two years, hundreds of shit videos, it WOULD be Suicide Squad that killed him.
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic
Well, if MauLer does die to SS.
Can we get tig-Bitty MooPer as the replacement? I am sure her critiques are just fine.
And we finally get to look at waman.
@@yetanotherspuart3993 And what a woman to look at! 😍
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic
Agree, way better then Margot Robbie. And LuisLane
Batman in BvS: "You work as a thug for LexCorp, and for all I know, have never hurt anyone? Time to spray you with lead from my batmobile mini gun!"
Batman in Suicide Squad: "The two of you have murdered dozens, including Robin? I'm just gonna chase you, then save one of your lives."
Slaughter the German Conscript soldiers, but save Doctor Poison!
@@MediumRareOpinions gone batshit crazy and become genocidal just because Lois is dead
Let me guess? A marvel shill. Of course. This is EFAP.
@@mrbiggles5389 that's not proving him wrong, just fyi
God, I trust that big bald monster with glowing eyes in the Snyder League more than the Justice League itself.
" I can't wait to show you my toys"- Joker Baggins
“So you have chosen a brutal beatdown.”
-Batmaun the White.
"Gondor had it's chance!"- Kal-Enethor
"One does not simply watch the remains of the DCEU."
Commisoner Boromir
This comment thread is better than the actual movie.
"Desire me, thou god know will thing, for world enough now, thou hast formerly believed wisdom soul" - The, the Joker
I like to think that if Katana’s sword was broken, the ghosts would fly out of it, like when the Stonecutters threw Homer Simpson’s underwear into the fire.
Or the end of Mortal Kombat when Shang Tsung died.
"I'll create a machine that will destroy them all"
Then she created loot boxes
"My knot never slips"
All I feel is pain
34:23 The guy giving Harley Quinn the phone right in front of everybody and loudly telling her it's Mister J will totally make sense in the Ayer Cut, guys! Just give it a chance!
Yep. In the Ayer Cut Lex Luthor is working with Joker and Lex pays off all the guards to ignore the whole scene.
What about my uncle, did you give him a chance, did you.
In Batman Assault on Arkham, everyone that was on the team needed to be there, it was a low level job, so having low level super villains was necessary.
Harley "you killed kids, own that shit!"
Also Harley : helped killed Robin according to the intro.
Margot Robbie is a great actress.
And she's is full frontal naked in Wolf of Wall Street. I'd be less embarassed if my family walked in on me watching those scenes from that movie than anything with her in Suicide Squad. Pretentious garbage. Needless oversexualization, done in the cheapest way imaginable.
She's not Harley Quinn. She's a Twitch girl pretending to be Harley Quinn on camera. The costume is rubbish.
Doesn’t Diablo own up to killing his wife and kids?
I forgot the Captain's name.......
BUT THEN IT CAME BACK TO ME!!! 🤣
That was terrible. Here is a like and a comment. Lol
@@OutsideTheTargetDemographic Ahhhahahaha thankyou kind sir!
@@NicTheGreek1979 🍻
Get out! 👉
@@AlpurrCatstein4182 what are we... some kind of Jordan Peel?
I wonder how Joker would feel if he worked with batman against an evil superman, man i'm sure glad that never happened
Let alone with this version of the joker.
And even then they still don't share a single shot together despite Disney Channel's Liv and Maddie being able to splice two characters filmed at different times together into one shot on a weekly basis
I bet hed hate it. It would be
A knightmare
Ah yes. I would very much like to see EFAP's thoughts on this Oscar winning film.
The best make-up/mask Oscar should've gone to Star Trek Beyond.
@@BirdsElopeWithTheSun09 i mean, it did a great job of tricking people into thinking it was Star Trek...
@Knox2Don do you not get the sarcasm in the comment?
Dr. Harley Quinn: If you were a musical instrument, what would you see yourself as?
Joker: A cymbal
Better than any of the "funny" jokes in this movie.
I laughed, damn you.
Is that from another piece of DC media, or is it your joke? I like it.
that's so deep, cymbal is pronounced sym-bol, like the joker is a symbol of something. Zack snyder sure is a genius
@@kylefrank638 I came with the joke but I will find it unbelievable that no one else used this joke.
Right? Did everyone at Warner Bros. forget that the entire point of the Joker is that he's entertaining and funny? Jack Nicholson, Heath Ledger (he actually has some good ones), Caesar Romero, and especially Mark Hamill all did this so why didn't Jared Leto?
Here is my understanding of the story behind how this movie came to be and where we are now:
Ayer pitches the movie to the studio, and they love the pitch. They immediately greenlight the project, but to fit in with their slate, they need to fast-track the movie. So Ayer is told to have the script written and delivered in 6 weeks. As to why Ayer decided to write the movie rather than hire a screenwriter, I'm not sure. I don't know of any time he's addressed the subject. Anyway, when Ayer wrote it, Steppenwolf was the villain. He was supposed to be a precursor to Darkseid who was supposed to show up in Justice League. Then, Snyder changed his mind and wanted Steppenwolf for JL part 1 (at this time, the movie was supposed to be a 2-parter). So, right about the time the movie is about to go into production, Ayer learns that he needs to rewrite his script with an entirely new villain.
The movie goes into production, and trailer 1 shows off this moody, grimy, nasty-looking crime movie that Ayer says he wanted to make. The movie continues to shoot. Trailer 2 comes out right before BvS. This trailer company decides to market it as a completely different movie than it was at the time using Queen in the soundtrack. The trailer EXPLODES in popularity. Meanwhile, the movie is having troubled pre-screenings.
BvS happens. It's a disaster beyond the studio's wildest imagination. JL now is mandated to no longer be a two parter; Snyder and Terrio need to retool it to be a 1-parter. This sort of makes their previous decision to use Steppenwolf as a precursor villain to the main event kind of dumb and thus the last-minute rewrites of a hastily-put-together screenplay also more dumb than it already was.
Among the criticisms of BvS is the problem of lack of levity. Studio sees the popularity of the Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-style Suicide Squad trailer and says, "Make the movie like Guardians of the Galaxy." Reshoots happen, and wider universe elements of the story are dropped to be more standalone. More jokes are added to the movie. Still not doing well in prescreening.
WB actually hires the trailer studio to recut the film to be more like the trailers. Yes.... They hired a TRAILER COMPANY to edit a MOTION PICTURE. Among the things they do is add tons of licensed music and drastically reduce screen time for the Joker. Ayer objects. WB says "let's prescreen both versions and see which does better." Apparently the trailer company's version is received better. So WB decides to go with that version as the one they'll finish and release to theater, and Ayer plays nice supporting the movie in public. After much of this leaks he sticks by his company man stance and states "this is my cut."
Fast forward a few years. Zack Snyder is releasing images of his original cut to drum up support for a new cut. When it becomes clear that the movement is gaining in popularity, Ayer starts to do the same thing for his version of Suicide Squad. He starts to answer questions about what his intentions were originally and what was cut. He says he should've just dropped Enchantress and just made the movie about trying to capture the Joker, but hindsight is 20/20. Says "my movie was no masterpiece, but it was better than what you got to see."
Zack Snyder's Justice League gets announced. Now Ayer drops all the professional niceties. He starts hyping more images of his cut of the movie. Supports his own hashtag: #releasetheayercut. Changes his tune about the quality of his original movie and says "my movie was great, and we were all robbed." Has nice things to say about James Gunn, though. And continually hopes that Gunn's upcoming Suicide Squad attempt is well-received.
And that ends my telling of what I understand to have happened from the time the movie was pitched to right now.
As I understand it, hiring the trailer park to do an alternate cut of the film happened before the reshoots. If I recall correctly, neither cut did well in test screenings, then came a round of reshoots and a compromised third cut that mixed the reshoots mostly with the original Ayer cut, but while also keeping elements of the trailer park cut. That compromised cut was then the cut that ended up in theatres.
What a SHIT SHOW
When Flag guy said, “Lady, Shut up!” To Harley Quinn. Was the moment I realized Flagman=Goodman
This movie just makes me want to listen to my music instead. At least Guardians of the Galaxy’s music is thematically appropriate, has a role in the narrative and is all from the same time period.
Folding Ideas put it best when, after going through a lot of the songs that are just in the 1st act alone, he said, _"Baz Luhrmann_ has more restraint than this!"
And its more consistent. If they'd stuck to one artist, one genre, one time period, it would've worked. But nope, Eminem, Queen, Rap, Rock n Roll, romantic ballads, pop music... What else? Someone found their kids' Spotify playlist and said, "This is my gift. I'm gonna put my 14-year-old's entire playlist into this movie."
Agreed. I get people didn't like the music in The Great Gatsby. And sure, Baz is known for blending theatre with his movies. But even if it was a stylistic choice, good or bad, the songs Baz used matched what was happening in the scenes. And it embraces the OTT nature.
Suicide Squad wants to be all dark and grim and serious and deep. Playing a pop song doesn't make a scene fun. Its pretentious. And cheapens the experience.
This might have the best "Whaddya bring me" clip so far. Meme Repository is doing a swell job.
He wants us to LOOK AT IT!
You think this "whaddya bring me" was good? This one has NOTHING on the Home Alone version... please check that one out - I spat my milkshake out laughing
Slipknot was so good that he even managed to climb his way out of the movie.
He managed to climb out of the DCEU... he really COULD climb anything...
Jared Leto's Joker just feels...wrong. Unnatural, if you will.
Daddy issues Luthor actor too just didn't feel like Lex.
They need better casting for their villains. Geez.
I cannot fathom the creative decisions that led to that Luthor.
The off joker I can sort of understand what they were going for, but nothing about that Lex was "Lex like"
beyond maybe shazaam, does any character in the DCEU feel 'right'? hero or villain, beyond the name and the general aesthetic, there's nothing left of the actual characters
This has always been my biggest problem with these movies, they are such horribly bad adaptations of much better material, and it's a shame
@@petriew2018 It’s funny that Green Lantern got so much hate. It’s not a great movie, sure, but it’s better or at least more sensical than the rest of the DCEU movies that followed.
@@mrshmuga9 it's weird really. Green Lantern's failure was due to it's over-reliance of flashy special effects and bloated action, and the way it wasted some actually decent if criminally under-utilized character work by some good actors.
So naturally what you need is more Zack Snyder to turn things around...
@@mrshmuga9 for as much ridicule as it got, I mostly remember it for the CGI costume. The rest of the film is forgettably inoffensive
Only less than a year ago, while taking a walk, I spotted a guy with a Suicide squad joker sweater. It was a perplexing, yet pretty hilarious sight.
It's not as bad as mine. I left the theater with my family seeing this horrible movie and we passed by a guy dressed as joker with his friends going in to see the movie. It was a sad sight
If you ever spot somebody wearing Jared Leto Joker Merchandise run in the opposite direction.
I can top that, i saw a guy around when this came out, who’d taken a perfectly good white Scion FR-S and had it wrapped in that “HAHAHA” scrawl, along with some vanity plate glorifying Joker & HQ.
Yeah I had a buddy get that lame ass Joker Smile hand tat. Then again he was a bit unstable and thought he was like the Joker until he suicided by cop.
He's not just a guy. 👏 He's an idea!
Batman beats her dad, she does nothing. Her dad gets ready to fight back a.k.a. DEFEND HIMSELF, nows a good time ensure my father goes to jail after spending quality time with me.
only to complain about later no doubt.
Also, Batman in the comics is the guy who has a street kid point a gun in his face and calmly talks him out of it: "A man with a gun killed your parents. Guess what? Mine, too. Look what became of us. You pull that trigger, you are no different than that man. Ts not too late. Throw thay gun away". I'm paraphrasing, but...
Meanwhile Batman in the DCEU, beats up Deadshot in front of his kid, then lets the kid get in between himself and a loaded gun, and then he ties up the guy and leaves him there, with his daughter, till the cops arrive. Wtf?!
@@valentinegonsalves7322 DCEU Batman? More like Joe Chill on steroid
@@valentinegonsalves7322 yeah, like why didn’t he tail him and wait for him to drop off his daughter and then restrain him. I’m convinced this version of Batman had brain damage from the fall and is just a huge brute.
"More fearless" they said, and then she screams in terror about not being able to swim.
It was a bold move for them to put Melvin Brother of the Joker in their movie.
Only reason I know this reference is Oneyplays
"Melvin, Melvin, Brother of the Joker! Melvin, Melvin, Brother of the Joker! Melvin, Melvin, Brother of the Joker!"
*on the phone* "It's your brother, Melvin Joker! You know that new style you've been looking for? ...Make sure it's nothing like this!"
"Ha, your mind remembered what movie you're watching and changed the name of the song to fit!"
*MR surreptitiously alters 'Fortunate Son' to match in the track list*
The moment I heard the line about the Suicide Squad being an answer for if the next Superman goes bad I knew I was in for a really stupid movie.
One of the many hundreds of thousands of questions I have about this movie is ...
"Why does Joker's laugh sound like a dying seal?"
38:08 Hey editior you missed Ballroom Blitz, not that I blame ya, its like jesus christ your gonna need a huge list for this one, and at first I thought you put it in.
We need a Team to beat *Superman* - Who can't be hurt by firearms or blunt weapons.
"Ya Know who we could call? A man who can climb ANYTHING"
David Ayer was drunk when he wrote the script.
Led by a crazy girl who failed to win 1v1 against Batman, who has no superpower and a drunk guy who throws boomerang.
I genuinely got more joy out of imagining the alternate reality where Boomerang never came back than I have the entirety of the DCEU.
man copyright holders must be so mad that you found this genius way to react to movies on youtube
Lex Luthor in BvS enrages me more, because he's my favorite villain, but the Joker in this film is easily more of a cringe machine, and is still done so dirty it's basically splitting hairs which one is worse/more unfaithful.
Hahaha cringe machine... totally agreed though
The annoying part is they feel like the exact same character type in practice acting kooky and spouting the occasional "ain't I smart?" line. Only real difference is if it's worse when played straight or when that happens by accident
"now they worship machines" wow what an amazing piece of commentary u get it itz cuz everyone is on their phone now omg the genius zack snyder STRIKES AGAIN! WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY INDEED!
Let's all take a moment to be thankful that EFAP won't have to suffer through the (nearly 3-hour) Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad.
Edit: Actually it may have been 142 minutes, not almost 3-hours. It's unconfirmed what the actual runtime would be.
Don't jinx it now......
Longman bad
I want them to suffer
Cant be worse than syndercut
He's seen us... and he's COMING!
Where did you train? In some kinda _SUICIDE SQUAD?!_
Yes, and on a FARM!
Remember when there was this relatively small yet fierce/loud defense movement of this movie during its initial release that strived to destroy rotten tomatoes for the sake of this film? It looks like those people in favor of defending suicide squad has died down since then, but I wonder if there are significant voices still out there.
Oh yeah I remember. It pretty much died out when the film came out and literally a week after it did. Most were just DCEU fans thinking this movie had a shot to compete against Marvel.
@@isaiahgarraway5568 Don’t worry. MCU is now becoming DCEU. Inconsistency, Jesus imagery and stuff.
@@nont18411 I know. I am not excited for anything after infinity war. Even hearing the spiderman movie undoing Doc Ocks death is making me less enthusiastic. Though this was the inevitable since they are skipping all the way to the trashy modern parts of Marvel comics with some of their movies and other parts are just whatever.
@@isaiahgarraway5568 About Jesus imagery, Karli was portrayed as Jesus in this show and Sam managed to bring her to the ambulance on time, which means that Karli could be “resurrected” in Cap 4 just like Jesus himself.
Title: "Suicide Squad with Capital-O Opinions"
MauLer: Capital-O Opinions won't join us today.
Edit: Now this joke makes no sense
This is Capital-O Opinions, the man who can climb anything...
SuBvERsIoN!1
@@SouthpawLP Hope you had your fun as a Mr Biggles imposter today my little troll. Whatever dark arts that you used to achieve this villainy will not go unpunished. Whenever you are walking along the path at night and you hear the ruffling in the tall grass and the whimper of the hedges and ferns blowing in the winter wind ask yourself; Is today the day Biggles pounces? Will today be the day of Biggles revenge?
I like the idea of Joker being more involved in organized crime because that fits some of his versions as a former hitman who went of the deep end but this was done so badly it is astonishing this was reviewed and approved by anyone with any sort of financial investment in it.
Never mind that. You can have him be a criminal. Or an embodiment of/a mirror image of Batman's principles. You cannot have a pimp say "I'm an idea" while wearing makeup and bling and call him the Joker.
Also, okay fine. Joke is a mob boss criminal. But then they give him his own car. All Batman/Bruce has to do is look for a custom built purple Lamborghini. Hell, Jim Gordon and the GCPD could do that much. How hard can it be?
Some say, "Oh, its a stolen car." But Joker has it in two different flashbacks, the Harley motorcycle piece and the Batman chase where's she's his babe. That's a long time he's had that car. Wtf?!
The thing is, he has the Jokermobile in the comics. You have to be smart about where you stash it.
Valentine Gonsalves it’s not a wise idea to try and introduce logic and world building into the DCEU. It’ll break you every time
Why would Killer Kroc seclude himself deep underground most of the time? if he's part crocodile wouldn't he be cold-blooded and there for need the sun to keep his body temperature up so he wouldn't freeze to death?
(sarcasm) You don't get it, it was clearly for the sYmBoLiSm. (/sarcasm)
At 52:05 the film shows the villan's minions are just normal people turned into the goopy monsters. Even though the team doesn't know this, it adds an uneasy feeling when they kill them that the film doesn't seem to be aware of. The Suicide Squad are technically killing normal people and it's not addressed anywhere during the film's runtime. Seems like an incredible oversight to add the scene showing the guy turn but never address the consequences that come from that.
Technically you could say they were dead because they were killed by being turned into goopy monsters but that doesn't make it much better. Given the numbers that means thousands of people were slaughtered at the minimum; to compare franchises it's a massacre of civilians as bad as in OmniMan's fight with Invincible in the season finale, just minus the gore.
Then Again I didn't see Man of Steel so maybe that's just normal.
@@majordbag2 Hope they are killed being turned into the goopy monsters, otherwise it would really suck being one of those turned then killed by the sword that traps their souls forever.
"Look at it!!!" I'm not sure how this became a meme, but I'm glad it did.
Seriously should have had Deadshot take Slipknots gear if they were going to kill him. Would have loved to see him use that creatively or with his precision.
But this movie is just a pattern of wrong choices.
Oh yea, that could've been a cool Checov's Gun their. Someone randomly takes it then uses it in the third act.
# CancelRags for insulting the Animals by calling them the Beatles!
JK but still, I really respect The Animals. And those vocals are perfect
The rationale given for forming the Suicide Squad is “what is Superman turned evil?” Problem is, almost none of the members of the Squad are qualified to handle Superman. A crazy clown girl, a dude who can shoot good, a crocodile man, a drunk Australian guy and “the man who can climb anything?”
The best one they have is Pyro and Superman has frost breath to at least somewhat negate him anyway. Plus, he gets his powers from the Sun. A little fire isn’t gonna do anything.
And that the point of this movie boils down to: save Amanda Waller, who set up the events to allow Enchantress and her brother to become a significant threat - to EVERYONE.
So she’s an incompetent bad lady
@@mrshmuga9 Actually it's even worse when you consider the first movie where superman is in multiple explosions and heat and it doesnt bother him at all. So yeah Diablo isn't going to do shit to him. Though it's weird a nuke can hurt superman which is something taken from the dark knight returns comic where supes get hit by a nuke and nearly dies.
@@isaiahgarraway5568 Well the difference between an explosion and a nuke is that a nuke is radioactive, so I could understand that distinction. Kyptonite glows green so you could make the argument that it's radioactive, but at a much higher concentration. But ya, Diablo es meurto.
Yep, especially the ruthless, uncaring Superman in this stupid Universe lol, remember how he totally trashed that guy in Justice League? Like the fight was just over as soon as Superman got in it, but no these guys they were formed to take him on...
Love the Lacrimosa whenever Joker talks
My only experience watching these movies is through EFAP's eyes
Thank you, Pretty sure they would have driven me quite mad without the knowledge that you find them nuts too
Deadshot’s scene of showing off his shooting skills is my favorite scene in the movie. Him loading the gun, to the “comedy” of him pointing the gun at that guy, even Waller’s little line of following up on Deadshot assuming the bullets were blanks, daring him to pull the trigger.
And then just him making his demands and such.......but then the fun’s pretty much over for me after that.
Script: "I am character. I have motivation. I am FEEL. Be sad!"
Government: *What'd ya bring me?*
Amanda: Slipknot, the man that can climb anything. Totally so useful for if Superman went bad.
Remember when Harley was crazy, unpredictable, but mostly harmless as long as she didn’t catch you off guard?
Thats the thing. I'm so sick of what the character has become. Both in the comics and as a symbol in pop culture. Harley Quinn is not a comics character. She was originally created for the animated cartoons. And it was a kids' cartoon. So she wasn't a commentary on sexuality and identity and gender and abusive relationships and empowerment and objectification and loyalty and what have you.
She was a crazy person who though helping Joker would make him appreciate her because no one else ever did. And Joker not doing that, was simply to say, "There is no point in doing bad things just to be liked and validated by people. Because chances are they're bad people, so it means nothing to them and instead they'll use you to get their work done." The end.
She's not an angsty teenaged girl with abandonment issues or a sassy badass who intimidates anyone.
She's started out great but has become unbearable and grating. As a character.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 « She’s not an angsty teenaged girl with abandonment issues »
Maybe not for the first part, but you’ve literally described her with abandonment issues.
And she may not have been created as a way to deliver a commentary any deeper than « don’t lower yourself to befriend bad people, chances are that won’t make them love you and it’ll just harm you », but wether they wanted it or not that factually makes her a textbook example of an abusive relationship.
And if she already is, then why not use that ?
I agree that this part of the character shouldn’t overshadow the rest of her comical character, although as far as intimidation is concerned I’d just take that as coming with medium adaptation, it’s the kind of changes that may be necessary when switching from cartoons, that are generally lighthearted, relatively, to movies, especially super hero movies, that are generally more serious, tone wise.
@@nathanjora7627 my problem with that is these movies trying very hard to use her treatment by the Joker(something according to this film she willingly accepted even after the Joker tried to run her off) to excuse the fact she is a generally horrible person...
and you say light heated... the OG Batman cartoon that spawned her could get pretty dark, especially with how it depicted Joker treating Harley.
Actually come to think of it I think one of the last episodes of that show has Harley finally snapping from how the Joker treats her and the last we see of it is the Joker backing away and pleading with Harley to calm down.
@@BigBroTejano « my problem is that these movies trying very hard to user her treatment [...] to excuse the fact that she is a generally horrible person »
Sure, if they do that it’s dumb, although to be fair trying to use a tragic/pathetic backstory to excuse an evil character or soften his image in the audience’s eyes is a pretty common trope.
I was just addressing the fact Valentine Gonsalves pointed out that there seems to be a trend of using her character as a metaphor/representation of abusive relationship.
« you say light heated »
Even the OG Batman cartoon is more than goofy enough to justify saying it’s light hearted ^^
But maybe that’s not the right word I want to communicate what I’m trying to say still, I just don’t know any better way if there is one.
« the last we see of it is the Joker backing away and pleading with Harley to calm down »
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But then Valentine Gonsalves, and you if you share his opinions, should have no issue about Harley being intimidating :|
"This is kAtAnA!" Her _soooul_ traps the *swords* of its victims." - Soldier Man
They wanted suicide squad to be guardians of the galaxy so bad they hired James Gunn to make the sequel
And then it (the sequal) wasn't that, it was just a good movie on its own.
Unlike this POS movie. Hope they watch the new one since it might be the best DC movie at least in the cinematic universe it's definitely up there maybe past Joker
Seeing Jared's Joker reminds of that shouty whispery dude from Jupiter Ascending who was played by Redmayne.
Omg, talk about a horrible movie
"GOOOOOOOO!!!!"
It's so weird that such a small explosion could kill Incubus immediately after he sucked Diablo's demon form power
“See, Incubus absorbed not only Diablo’s powers but also his humanity, making him vulnerable to the explosion.”
-Some idiot, probably
I’d just like to say, Meme Repository has been doing amazing with these edits. They have consistently landed. If you read this, keep on keeping on. Know that the community has noticed your work and appreciates it!
The Guns in this movie operate on Halo: CE logic. You could put 60 rounds in a Hunter, but pull out a standard pistol and you become the Doomslayer
Another fun fact: Leto also sent used condoms to the cast
Also I think Dead Pigs too, certainly not edgy at all!
@@jtcob8486 Yep also the pigs
I have several questions...
Dude has issues.
@@Ars-Nova258
Yep. Used condoms. At least unopened ones could be seen as romantic interest...
But no! we have to send used ones!
Of the additional scenes in this cut are anything to go by then the Ayer Cut wouldn't add stuff to make the Suicide Squad men have their sense of camaraderie, but rather more scenes of Harley Qwinn and Joker.
Remember in BvS when Batman had a huge mental breakdown just because Superman says his mom's name. Now completely unrealted, remember in this film when Batman attacks a kid's father in a alleyway.
One of my teachers from high school had a ringtone on her cell that was just Jared Leto Joker's laugh with the knives, just cause of how weird it sounds out of context(and as well as in context)
I'm lmao from the Katamari Damacy reference.
You, sir, are a *legend.*