Great! I tried this conversion work for two days, and the utility sRGB texture I used during the first transfer resulted in color differences in subsequent conversions. Until I watched your video and switched from Utility sRGB Texture to Output sRGB, it was completely correct. You really helped me solve a big problem
But how do you even install that OCIO thing for Photoshop? There's no way to download it, this whole github thing is confusing too! Can someone please provide an easy step by step solution?
Just go in Ps to Edit > OpenColorIO Settings and select the checkbox for Enable OpenColorIO Features, press ok. After that you can open your EXR via File/Open as OpenColorIO and it will be correctly
What is the default path for OpenColorIO on Windows? The plugin requests an ACES config file, and you can browse to a location, but what is the default location? C:/ProgamData/...?
I’m sorry same issue for me. And I don’t have that script anymore. But as the video is quite dated already by now there are possibly better alternatives out there to achieve the same?
5:30 I just installed OCIO for Photoshop. I'm not able to click on Convert, everything but the Configuration field is greyed out. EDIT - found out from another video that you have to drop down Custom and search for "config.ocio" which I already had on my HD. Unfortunately I have to go through this every time which sucks.
where is the config? i'm struggling here, all I want to do is save my render as it is dispalyed on my screen it's as simple as that< i'm going around in circles
@@JonasNoell For those of us who weren't taught this in school ... and then came to find out that the new environment/DMP job that starts in 4 weeks requires the very knowledge that you provide here... Uhmmmm yeah! :) This is life changing!
Does not work, the OCIO is blank when you open it, all greyed out. You can manully choose the OCIO but then you have to navigate to it manually EVERY TIME. Is there a solution for this???
Thanks! its enough to add a simple gamma correction, you dont have to create a 0.454 gamme lut for that, just add an exposure adjustment layer and set it to 0.45. The big problem is with this workflow that the luts are working very very slowly even on my rtx gpu... Photoshop renders the image extremely slowly while i adjust the levels and saturation values. Do you have any tips on this issue ? (Im max performance mode in ps performance settings) Ive read about using ICC profiles in ps (from the aces 1.1 ocio pack) but couldnt figure out how to do that yet... thanks: Lev
Hey Jonas! Thanks for the great video. I have been using your video for my ACES workflow for a long time. There is still one thing that I do not have any answers to yet: How can you convert the final 32bit channel image into an 8bit CMYK/RGB one for print purposes without changing the gamma? When I merge all the layers and then try to convert the canvas to an 8bit channel canvas, the image changes drastically. Do you know how I can avoid that?
i use 16 bit. and this works... collapse all your layers (select them all, crtl + e) switch mode to 16 bits , warning dialouge box pops up, click don't merge. done. by the way this answer was in the link to the forum he provided
How do I know the exactly config in my input space and output space to work in my image? Doesn't appear utility - sRGB and utility - Linear - sRGB for me, and others configs that I've here, doesnt work as well.
@@korcanatalay I fixed it tho. You have to select the Custom preset on the plugin and then locate the OCIO file that you have used on your Display Correction at VFB. YW :)
Now I'm a bit confused :/ before I was using the ICC profile & got no differences bewtween VFB & PS. But with OCIO there is always a difference...., is the VFB with ocio colormanaged ? I'm also always wondering why sRGB is always used as View Transform, would it not be better to use the Image P3 colorspace because its a much bigger color space ? Hope I'm not making a thinking mistake 🙈 But the most confusing part is, only with my monitor profile selected in photoshop, ist the same than in vray 🙈 Any Ideas ? Edit: Ok its definitely not color manged.., any chance that the VFB will respect my ICC Monitor Profile with the aces ?
Thanks for your video ! Very clear and efficient :) The non-destructive workflow worked for me, but not the OCIO conversion alone, cant figure why... But it's all good thanks to you !
Alright, as long as one way works :) I would need to check in case something changed in the meantime for the non-destructive way, will let you know if there is any different workflow required by now...
Jonas....curious if this work flow would work for matte painters? MP have to paint in 16 bit due to (Adobe limited painting features in 32 bit float.) I would assume you could save out an ACES 16bit tiff and have your 2 LUTS adjustment layers............and paint in photoshop under your 2 LUT layers....and then save it after turning off your 2 LUTS......flex it back up to 32 bit and save out of photoshop as 32 bit float EXR....and you have painted ACES image out of photoshop. (although slightly down graded and clipped due to the matte painting process)
As there are a few LUT file formats that I can choose from - is there a LUT file format that is considered "the best" one? I can see that they look different when saved out from OpenColorIO and used in Photoshop.
hi guys, in PS, when I load the EXR, it always ask for COLOR PROFILE? what should I do? (because as Jona opened the EXR in PS, it didn't ask anything for color profile - im wondering why)
Hey! Your videos have helped me a bunch with understanding color management in Vray. In many cases, though, I need to end up with JPEG format files. After trying the workflow you use for the OpenExr files, I ended up with completely diffrent results. Is there a different workflow you recommend to colr manage Jpeg files correclty? Or is it a case of 8bit vs 32bit images? Thanks again for the videos, cheers.
you can't do this with JPEG images since view transforms and colour spaces are baked into the image. 32 bit EXRs contain all the information in a linear colour space, and then transforms are applied on top.
I was wondering about that so thank for this tutorial! Since this process seems very clunky in Photoshop, why don't you just save the aces settings to your image in the vfb? Photoshop has a very limited tool set for 32bit editing, so it seems overkill to me to not "burn in" the aces settings. Am I wrong?
I would say it depends on the situation. If the image has to go to a different software after Photoshop which has or expects a proper ACES workflow, then baking it would basically alter the raw data because you would apply the display corrections on the data stored in the exr. ACES data is supposed to be left untouched and meant to be used with the correct display correction depending on the device that you are using. If you bake in the display correction you are limiting its use for the device that you baked it for and can't use it properly for other devices or display technologies.
@@JonasNoell what if we want to finalize the output, i mean i am an archviz artist and after the render in 3dsmax along with the render elements i compose the final image in photoshop and show them to the client, so does each render element has to be saved in .exr format because right now i save each one of them in .tga format and compose them in photoshop. Also once the conversion color lut is created for one image can that be used for every other composition that i do in photoshop or for every view i have to do the whole process again.
@@amitgedia Hi, once you have your viewtransformation setup you can recycle that for every other images as long as it is an EXR in ACEScg colorspace. All elements should be also exr, tga won't have sufficient room to store all the information. Once you are finished with your adjustments you can just collapse the whole stack, convert it to 6Bit/Channel and then save it as a .jpg or whatever format you want send it to your client.
hi! what about if the render is a sequence render, specifically for video render purposes render. can premier or after effects aid with the color correction ? thank you !
Yeah for sequences you could use After Effects or even better: Nuke or Fusion. I have tutorials about Nuke and After Effects in my channel as well to show the procress for ACES.
Haven't tried that yet. I also heard Photoshop in latest versions now also finally is able to handle ACES out of the box without any plugin. Would need to check that and maybe make an update video about it.
Im having trouble downloading the plugin, It takes me to a git webpage where I can only download it as a Zip file. from there I have no idea how to install it to my PS
@@JonasNoell Tested it with Edge and it can be dowloaded but it was aswell saying that this file is insecure to download "this file cant be downloaded securly, malicious attackers might be able to read or change insecurley downloaded files" Just a heads up :)
Jonas, This is quite clear (and believe me I've tried to solve this in Photoshop for quite some time) so great work. How would you advise to approach a same non-destructive flow in AfterEffects?
I would need to check but wouldn’t it be possible to replicate the same workflow in after effects following the exact same steps? All filters and adjustment layers should exist in after effects as well. Again I haven’t tried myself yet but would be worth an attempt :)
@@JonasNoell Well. I've went along and investigated some on other tutorials and such - it's possible, yes. Different work method but possible. (I personally think that DaVinci Reslove and such are far more intuitive - but it might just be me). Thanks anyhow for everything you do. If you decide to do an AE tut on it - I'd be happy to watch that too.
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Krita is better if you want to work with 32bit float data and see your image properly with ACES ODT + RRT view transform applied.
To automatically configure ACEScg workflow in V-Ray and 3ds Max the "V-RayMtl Converter 3" plugin will help you. You can see a detailed description of this plugin here: maxtools.3dzver.ru/vmc or on ScriptSpot here: www.scriptspot.com/3ds-max/scripts/v-raymtl-converter or on the Autodesk App Store here: apps.autodesk.com/3DSMAX/en/Detail/Index?id=7089493161463006427&appLang=en&os=Win64
Hi Jonas after installing the OpenIo plugin 2.0.1 (latest) for photoshop CC 22.4.1, photoshop just crashes and closes to the desktop no error and sometimes there is no option available to change in the OpenIO panel , any help would be appreciated.
Hi, sorry I never encountered this problem. You can try to contact the plugin developers with this issue, I think they will be able to help you much better...
@@JonasNoell Hi just researched on this problem and found out that after launching the plugin i have to first select the OCIO config file manually through custom drop down option and then i can proceed from there. Everything works fine after that.
@GlowyBoi I got it! Just run the file "CONFIG.OCIO" that its the same file you use to set in VFB, then run this file using the Plugin OCIO for Photoshop and then the options will not be greyed out anymore =)
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Great! I tried this conversion work for two days, and the utility sRGB texture I used during the first transfer resulted in color differences in subsequent conversions. Until I watched your video and switched from Utility sRGB Texture to Output sRGB, it was completely correct. You really helped me solve a big problem
But how do you even install that OCIO thing for Photoshop?
There's no way to download it, this whole github thing is confusing too!
Can someone please provide an easy step by step solution?
does anyone of you guys know how to install it in Photoshop?
Just go in Ps to Edit > OpenColorIO Settings and select the checkbox for Enable OpenColorIO Features, press ok. After that you can open your EXR via File/Open as OpenColorIO and it will be correctly
nice, but how do you instal it ?
What is the default path for OpenColorIO on Windows? The plugin requests an ACES config file, and you can browse to a location, but what is the default location? C:/ProgamData/...?
Why doesn't your channel have more subs or likes is mind boggling. You have some fantastic tips and tutorials. Keep them coming!
In my plugin in photoshop isnt available the options convert ..?
Could you please share the Windows installer. The link doesnt seem to work anymore(when clicking Win)
I’m sorry same issue for me. And I don’t have that script anymore. But as the video is quite dated already by now there are possibly better alternatives out there to achieve the same?
The plugin is grayed out out and I am not able to pick any of the available options. Any particular reason for it not be working?
same issue for me..
@@tjdrud1205 you have to load the same ocio file your 3d software is using.
5:30 I just installed OCIO for Photoshop. I'm not able to click on Convert, everything but the Configuration field is greyed out.
EDIT - found out from another video that you have to drop down Custom and search for "config.ocio" which I already had on my HD. Unfortunately I have to go through this every time which sucks.
where is the config? i'm struggling here, all I want to do is save my render as it is dispalyed on my screen it's as simple as that< i'm going around in circles
@@R1PPA-C This should help: th-cam.com/video/DlhPJ_GuFuE/w-d-xo.html
Where did you find the config.ocio?
hey man, any chance you know how to do this with Agx color profile?
Jonas - THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! You’re saving so many CG artists lives with this. That may not be an exaggeration lol!
Haha I didn’t know this is a matter of life and death 😄
@@JonasNoell For those of us who weren't taught this in school ... and then came to find out that the new environment/DMP job that starts in 4 weeks requires the very knowledge that you provide here... Uhmmmm yeah! :) This is life changing!
Helped bunches in regard to turning some ACES pictures into Gif's, Thank you.
Does not work, the OCIO is blank when you open it, all greyed out. You can manully choose the OCIO but then you have to navigate to it manually EVERY TIME. Is there a solution for this???
Did you try to set up the environment variable in Windows?
Realy Awesome... Thank you for sharing. That helps extremely to Setup PS for Mattepainting with OCIO/ACES.
Thank you for this! But, in Photoshop 24.01 The Conversion doesn't work, it looks flat. (Adobe are so lazy)...
How to install the OpenColorIO Plugin for Photoshop?
Thanks! its enough to add a simple gamma correction, you dont have to create a 0.454 gamme lut for that, just add an exposure adjustment layer and set it to 0.45.
The big problem is with this workflow that the luts are working very very slowly even on my rtx gpu... Photoshop renders the image extremely slowly while i adjust the levels and saturation values. Do you have any tips on this issue ? (Im max performance mode in ps performance settings)
Ive read about using ICC profiles in ps (from the aces 1.1 ocio pack) but couldnt figure out how to do that yet...
thanks: Lev
Anyone know why the download link doesn't work anymore?
Hey Jonas! Thanks for the great video. I have been using your video for my ACES workflow for a long time.
There is still one thing that I do not have any answers to yet: How can you convert the final 32bit channel image into an 8bit CMYK/RGB one for print purposes without changing the gamma?
When I merge all the layers and then try to convert the canvas to an 8bit channel canvas, the image changes drastically. Do you know how I can avoid that?
i use 16 bit. and this works... collapse all your layers (select them all, crtl + e) switch mode to 16 bits , warning dialouge box pops up, click don't merge. done. by the way this answer was in the link to the forum he provided
How do I know the exactly config in my input space and output space to work in my image? Doesn't appear utility - sRGB and utility - Linear - sRGB for me, and others configs that I've here, doesnt work as well.
I have the same problem - utility sRGB and Linear sRGB are missing
@@knasjamseman I am having the same issue.
figured it out by any chance? @@knasjamseman
figured it out by any chance? @@danielzeni5759
why my plug in looks greyed out?
I'm having the same problem :(( Could you figure a way to fix this?
@@MatteBlob nah I just gave up
@@korcanatalay I fixed it tho. You have to select the Custom preset on the plugin and then locate the OCIO file that you have used on your Display Correction at VFB. YW :)
@@MatteBlob wow thanks
@@MatteBlob where do i find this ocio file?
Now I'm a bit confused :/
before I was using the ICC profile & got no differences bewtween VFB & PS.
But with OCIO there is always a difference...., is the VFB with ocio colormanaged ?
I'm also always wondering why sRGB is always used as View Transform, would it not be better to use the Image P3 colorspace because its a much bigger color space ?
Hope I'm not making a thinking mistake 🙈
But the most confusing part is, only with my monitor profile selected in photoshop, ist the same than in vray 🙈
Any Ideas ?
Edit:
Ok its definitely not color manged.., any chance that the VFB will respect my ICC Monitor Profile with the aces ?
6:53 this is the workflow you need to follow
Thanks for your video ! Very clear and efficient :) The non-destructive workflow worked for me, but not the OCIO conversion alone, cant figure why... But it's all good thanks to you !
Alright, as long as one way works :) I would need to check in case something changed in the meantime for the non-destructive way, will let you know if there is any different workflow required by now...
Jonas....curious if this work flow would work for matte painters? MP have to paint in 16 bit due to (Adobe limited painting features in 32 bit float.) I would assume you could save out an ACES 16bit tiff and have your 2 LUTS adjustment layers............and paint in photoshop under your 2 LUT layers....and then save it after turning off your 2 LUTS......flex it back up to 32 bit and save out of photoshop as 32 bit float EXR....and you have painted ACES image out of photoshop. (although slightly down graded and clipped due to the matte painting process)
Looks like this is not working anymore with Photoshop 2021 any solution?
As there are a few LUT file formats that I can choose from - is there a LUT file format that is considered "the best" one? I can see that they look different when saved out from OpenColorIO and used in Photoshop.
hi guys, in PS, when I load the EXR, it always ask for COLOR PROFILE? what should I do?
(because as Jona opened the EXR in PS, it didn't ask anything for color profile - im wondering why)
i LOVE YOUR VIDEO's. PLEASE DO MORE FOR ACCES WORKFLOW IN VRAY 3DS MAX
Hey! Your videos have helped me a bunch with understanding color management in Vray.
In many cases, though, I need to end up with JPEG format files.
After trying the workflow you use for the OpenExr files, I ended up with completely diffrent results.
Is there a different workflow you recommend to colr manage Jpeg files correclty?
Or is it a case of 8bit vs 32bit images?
Thanks again for the videos, cheers.
you can't do this with JPEG images since view transforms and colour spaces are baked into the image. 32 bit EXRs contain all the information in a linear colour space, and then transforms are applied on top.
I was wondering about that so thank for this tutorial! Since this process seems very clunky in Photoshop, why don't you just save the aces settings to your image in the vfb? Photoshop has a very limited tool set for 32bit editing, so it seems overkill to me to not "burn in" the aces settings. Am I wrong?
I would say it depends on the situation. If the image has to go to a different software after Photoshop which has or expects a proper ACES workflow, then baking it would basically alter the raw data because you would apply the display corrections on the data stored in the exr. ACES data is supposed to be left untouched and meant to be used with the correct display correction depending on the device that you are using. If you bake in the display correction you are limiting its use for the device that you baked it for and can't use it properly for other devices or display technologies.
@@JonasNoell what if we want to finalize the output, i mean i am an archviz artist and after the render in 3dsmax along with the render elements i compose the final image in photoshop and show them to the client, so does each render element has to be saved in .exr format because right now i save each one of them in .tga format and compose them in photoshop. Also once the conversion color lut is created for one image can that be used for every other composition that i do in photoshop or for every view i have to do the whole process again.
@@amitgedia Hi, once you have your viewtransformation setup you can recycle that for every other images as long as it is an EXR in ACEScg colorspace. All elements should be also exr, tga won't have sufficient room to store all the information.
Once you are finished with your adjustments you can just collapse the whole stack, convert it to 6Bit/Channel and then save it as a .jpg or whatever format you want send it to your client.
hi! what about if the render is a sequence render, specifically for video render purposes render. can premier or after effects aid with the color correction ? thank you !
Yeah for sequences you could use After Effects or even better: Nuke or Fusion. I have tutorials about Nuke and After Effects in my channel as well to show the procress for ACES.
@@JonasNoell Wow! the video is 2 years old and you replied! thank you so much for the response. ill check your video out next
You are the best !
A big thank you!!
You saved my life
if we checked "save in image" in VFB, the render looks same in different devices?
Depends on the device but if those are sRGB devices they should all look the same
Helpfull... Thank u
Have you tried creating a color profile for Photoshop in the plugin? According to the idea, loading the color space is a more convenient way.
Haven't tried that yet. I also heard Photoshop in latest versions now also finally is able to handle ACES out of the box without any plugin. Would need to check that and maybe make an update video about it.
Im having trouble downloading the plugin, It takes me to a git webpage where I can only download it as a Zip file. from there I have no idea how to install it to my PS
fnordware.blogspot.com/2017/02/opencolorio-for-photoshop.html
Click on the "Win" button to download (not the "open source" one)
@@JonasNoell nothing happens when I click on the win button
@@christoffereklund4794 It works, there must be an issue with your system or browser.
@@JonasNoell Tested it with Edge and it can be dowloaded but it was aswell saying that this file is insecure to download
"this file cant be downloaded securly, malicious attackers might be able to read or change insecurley downloaded files"
Just a heads up :)
If save PNG format 48bit form V-Ray - it's highter EXR 32bit format?
No, it's 16Bit/Channel (R+G+B =48) while EXR 32 bit refers to 32Bits/Channel
Jonas, This is quite clear (and believe me I've tried to solve this in Photoshop for quite some time) so great work.
How would you advise to approach a same non-destructive flow in AfterEffects?
I would need to check but wouldn’t it be possible to replicate the same workflow in after effects following the exact same steps? All filters and adjustment layers should exist in after effects as well. Again I haven’t tried myself yet but would be worth an attempt :)
@@JonasNoell Well. I've went along and investigated some on other tutorials and such - it's possible, yes. Different work method but possible. (I personally think that DaVinci Reslove and such are far more intuitive - but it might just be me). Thanks anyhow for everything you do. If you decide to do an AE tut on it - I'd be happy to watch that too.
Krita is better if you want to work with 32bit float data and see your image properly with ACES ODT + RRT view transform applied.
Oh cool have to check that out!
To automatically configure ACEScg workflow in V-Ray and 3ds Max the "V-RayMtl Converter 3" plugin will help you.
You can see a detailed description of this plugin here: maxtools.3dzver.ru/vmc
or on ScriptSpot here: www.scriptspot.com/3ds-max/scripts/v-raymtl-converter
or on the Autodesk App Store here: apps.autodesk.com/3DSMAX/en/Detail/Index?id=7089493161463006427&appLang=en&os=Win64
Hi Jonas after installing the OpenIo plugin 2.0.1 (latest) for photoshop CC 22.4.1, photoshop just crashes and closes to the desktop no error and sometimes there is no option available to change in the OpenIO panel , any help would be appreciated.
Hi, sorry I never encountered this problem. You can try to contact the plugin developers with this issue, I think they will be able to help you much better...
@@JonasNoell Hi just researched on this problem and found out that after launching the plugin i have to first select the OCIO config file manually through custom drop down option and then i can proceed from there. Everything works fine after that.
@GlowyBoi me too facing same problem
@GlowyBoi I got it! Just run the file "CONFIG.OCIO" that its the same file you use to set in VFB, then run this file using the Plugin OCIO for Photoshop and then the options will not be greyed out anymore =)
@GlowyBoi Same here! Did you fix it?
Thank you!
thanks a lot man
thank you!
Спасибо бро
you dont need the srgb texture step at all. just proof it.
Hi, which step do you mean exactly at which part of the video (timecode)?
joonas joonas joonas :)
multi billion dollar company spends an incredible amount of money in generative AI tool but doesn't have built-in OCIO
The video is already older I’m not sure if it’s maybe added by now
@@JonasNoell there is an Aces colors space but somehow it doesn't match the colors of a texture exported from painter 😅
ACES - ACEScg > Output sRGB -------------- Adjust gamma to 0,5 ;)
Faster way ;)
Ehhh not sure about that to be honest but if it works for you why not :-)
can you explain in more detail? i didnt understand. especially where to adjust gamma
The link for the Ocio for photoshop is broken