BRAND NEW RV FLOORPLAN - Momentum 410THR Prototype Reveal! (We Designed an RV!!!)
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- It’s FINALLY HERE! We’ve spent the last 2 (almost 3) years working with GDRV on designing a new toy Hauler Floorplan, and HERE IT IS!!!
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What is the weight difference???
You should do a split top on the bedroom dresser so you can lift one half at a time. Chad can leave junk on his half and you can leave yours clear.
It is difficult to see how much space there is between the TV side and the stove burners. If it is a short distance, I think that if the closest burner is in use possibly what's cooking could splatter onto the TV. Just a thought.
Just curious if they ran Ethernet throughout the RV? I have been full timing in a 43' RV and even though wireless has become more stable, ethenet hookups behind all the TV's, and a couple spots elsewhere like garage, living room to where a router can be placed. It would be so much better bandwidth without interruptions.
Love y'alls ❤️ videos, wish y'all the best in your new RV
I have an idea for the televator area - if they were to add a thin, hinged surface over the televator, you could hinge it up to watch TV, but have it down for added prep space so you don’t need to worry about liquids or food getting into the Televator itself. Just a thought
It's great that Grand Design is receptive to customer input. I love a lot about your prototypes. Please allow me to toss in a couple ides. 1. The toilet room. A couple grab bars on the opposing walls to assist us weaklings to stand up. 2. Don't laugh. My former motorhome had all the drawers in the "kitchen" lined with white carpet. It kept any pots and pans from sliding and banging around. I loved it.
I love the lighter wall covering and the simple valences. Many folks are repainting theirs and removing the valences anyway.
We removed ours and have zero regrets. We also painted along with some other improvements.
Great job,what day are you going to be at the Hershey show
Hello. I never comment because most of the time I agree with everything that you say. Being that this is a prototype I would like to make a couple of suggestions. Before I get into them I understand that you have put a ton of work into this. And thank you for all your hard work for all of us full timers.
The things that I would change seem simple to me. But I'm also not a professional. For me I think that the garage was the perfect size, except that the bathroom didn't need a shower. So going a foot bigger took away from the living area. Use that area in the living room so that the island doesn't block the TV / Fireplace. Also in the bathroom take the private toilet room and open it up. You would gain more counter room. Other than that I'm extremely impressed and glad that I decided to hold out on getting a new trailer. This one is the best that I have seen ever!
Keep up all the good work and again thank you for all your hard work.
Love your idea about the commode/sink area. Brilliant. I'm guessing the extra door is for privacy in case someone opens the door to walk through to the bedroom, but I would rather not have that closeted feel for a commode. Love our current bathroom setup in our Momentum Toy Hauler. Still 3 x's more spacious than our Cherokee Grey Wolf that literally was like a closet. Haha.
LOVE IT! We had a 397TH and lived in it for over 4 months. We plan to go fulltime in the next couple of years and we think this will be the camper we go with.
CLASSIC! " Your're Not allowed to be as excited about the Basement, It's Mine" haha, love it!
I'm getting the feeling Tara is 'SO EXCITED' at 0:41 seconds into you video! 🙂
Love the new floor plan! I wish they’d offer desks as an option in the garage instead of benches since so many people full time ( work or homeschooling)
Beautiful. The bathroom mirror defiantly needs to be a medicine cabinet and get rid of the frame so there is more mirror. (edge to edge). Only part you didn't go over is the loft, but I guess that's pretty standard/typical. Exciting! So excited! I'm excited! Are you excited? We can all be excited together!
So, were you guy's really excited?? I couldn't tell. lol.... Well done, personally like the design and flow. Plus that basement storage solves a big need with the general 5th wheeler platforms. Plus you two could sub-let if things ever got tight. The Island is a home run, huge drawers and an off-set sink. Great idea! Awesome to hear that this unit will be at the Hershey show along with the two of you. Very cool!! Hope to see you guys while we are there. Beat Army!
Niiiice!!! Thats great guys!!!
I’d add a flip up counter top on the end of the island for additional counterspace as needed, or simply throw a compact bar stool under for additional seating. Chad you could sit there and drink 🍻🍺 and supervise while Tara is cooking.
Love the interior colors!!! Those dark colors always were a deal breaker for me.
Can’t wait to see y’alls when its done!!!
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How’s that song go… “I’m so exited and I just can’t hide it….” Yup that was you two! So happy for you. Can’t wait to see the move in video. Thanks for sharing…. The EXCITEMENT!!!
It’s beautiful!!! The one thing I would add if I could.. In the water closet.. a small cabinet for tp and chemicals.. doesn’t have to be very big but ideal to have it handy.
I think you’re right. We have a shelf up high behind our toilet where you have a lip and can store TP. Hooks there for towels too.
@@rvcouple7566 oh heck hooks? You’ve never seen how many Commaamd Hooks she uses! LOL
Tara is the Queen of Command Strips and Hooks
@@markbaustian9503 Yup. Kate does too. But these came with the shelf with the rig and match the bathroom hardware. But should get stock in command.
OK, that had to be an awesome experience coordinating the changes for the new models. Everything you recommended as changes made the design more functional and much more livable. I’m excited to see what the final version will be like and if you can tow it with your Ford F-450. We want a toy hauler, but so far we haven’t found one that hits all the requirements, that is until now. We have a Forest River Riverstone Legacy and I have a feeling that my wife, and I, would change to the new floor plan in a heartbeat. We won’t be at the Hershey show as we just started out full time RV lifestyle and are heading west for several reasons. Maybe next year will be the year to upgrade to a Toy Hauler…
Wow great job! A suggestion for the cabinet latches - use magnets instead of those male/female plastic pieces. They eventually get bent and have to be readjusted. Magnets are strong and don't need to be adjusted.
Suggestions: 1) given your data requirements having GD install a cable thru-wall fitting in the garage would be good input from you & useful to buyers. 2) a new feature on home cabinets are toe-kick drawers. Given the need for storage in an RV the additional storage would be a good feature 3) having the unit prep'd for future lithium batteries would be nice. 4) putting in the water filter canisters would be nice. 5) will the units suspension have the upgrades that you have added.
The Volta system mentioned is a lithium system, so that part is covered
What an incredible, one of a kind experience for yall. Every RV will have things that we like or don't like... here are some of mine:
Don't like that you need to look over the island to view the TV. If someone is watching TV and someone is cooking or preping food on the island, they will be in the way of the person watching TV.
- the bed could have been adjustable
- the dresser top lifting up is great as well AZ the drawers tucked into the corner behind the shower.
- like the large bathroom and separate head room.
All looks great. Extra foot in the garage us always used, especially with longer utv's. Big question is tank capacities. More is better for when boondocking. Also floor hooks for toys, more allows for more packing configurations (for those who haul more than a just a Lucille). I added more to my garage. Will be watching next round for that.
It’s a beauty. If we went with this model, we’d look at putting a desk and cabinets in the area next to the small bathroom. Of course we only need one desk not two like you both need. Or leave the seating and put a desk where you’re putting the dinette. Love the closet arrangement. I think if you could, one window in the bedroom it would allow for shelves. You might be able to put in a seat or hamper or shoe rack at the end of the dresser. Colors are great. More like our rig - not a Grand Design or Toy Hauler as the GDs had been too dark and we don’t have a toy (but would have been nice to be able to get one).
The both of you have done a great job over the last 4 years helping all of us to have a better experience RVing. I'm sure Grand Design really embarrassed your thoughts and feedback to help build the best toy hauler in the industry.. For us that have been following you since the beginning are so very proud of your work and dedication to the industry and your followers 😀 Can't wait to see your color choices and the told matching rig. New home, new RV and New truck are so exciting and well deserved my friends. The Banks Family 👪 PS... Can they put the washer and dryer in the garage lifted 3 feet above the floor so that you don't lose the floor space? 2. Are you going to a gooseneck this time so you can better utilize you f450 bed better?
Not a fan, sorry but this is a miss in my opinion. Livingroom is not a good set up with the entertainment center. Televator is not good and the island is right in everyone's face. No-good on storage for kitchen. You went for look and definitelynot functional.
@@sherisanderson4600 thank you so much for answering my question I realizes you get a 1000 message every day advice well taken looking forward to your next adventure 😊 The Banks Family 👪
Winning! So excited! A Grand Design rig is my dream RV. I have owned Keystone and Forest River, it seems like the GD team really cares about the customer. Bonus points for dog features!
Great job guys on all of the improvements! No easy task, but looks amazing so far!
Oh my!!! This is a dream!!! Absolutely Gorgeous!!! I Love every single thing about it!!! 1 thing I’d love to see is a built in vanity, chair, mirror and lights. I could honestly do without the dresser in the bedroom and have it in that spot. That would be fantastic!!! Ty ty ty
Thanks for the suggestions! Although they would likely keep the dressers in that space for storage, I can definitely see how you could make that space into a vanity area! 😊
Thanks for sharing and inspiration for us to take on this amazing lifestyle 3years ago last week! We love y’all, keep on killin it so happy for you both! 😘😘😘
I can see that this unit will fit you. With the flooring consider adding central vacuum system - pick up area in kitchen, bedroom, bathroom and toy hauler. I do not think you would loose much space in the basement.
Any spice rack possibility in the kitchen? I hope Grand Design works with you for putting in your desk system and the washer dryer. Great that ceiling cabinets have doors that open upward. Maybe the lifting up bedroom dresser top could be split into two halves - then stuff could be placed on top of one half, and the other side lift up.
It will be awesome to see your final unit!
Awesome design much better than most anything out as of now
Good job guys
Very similar to our 2670mk
Your design came out just in time we are upgrading this winter to a fifth wheel
2 options
410thr 13.6’ toy hauler
Same design and foot print
410th
Same design same foot print but a 11 ‘ toy hauler
For people that don’t won’t 44” rig
Happy for you guys. Looks amazing 👏 I know it's a lot of work and fun at the same time. Nice and bright in side. Lots of room inside. You where the first person's we ever watched. Good luck on the new RV and hope to see you on the road someday. 👍
What an AMAZING model. Mind blown. The unity between all of the parties involved is just super!
Suggestion for the faucet and the sink in the main bathroom:
1. center the sink (storage on both sides for his / hers toothbrushes and small things) // also current issue with sink being on the side is that you will have to angle into it while standing, there is limited elbow space on the right sided at the moment. this is going to kill your back and posture.
2. get a raised sink (helps with keeping stuff separate, also is good for taller people).
3. get rid of the tiny window (lets be honest it will be closed most of the time anyways as it looks right into the shower) //also there is already enough natural light from skylights
4. put a HUUUUUGE heated and backlit double mirror in there that opens up for storage.
5. is it possible to use the back washroom for a stacking washer dryer? would be nice to allow for easy conversion for this.
KEEP THIS UP! YOU ARE MAKING RV LIFE EASIER FOR ALL OF US :)
I like your idea about the sink location and mirror too. I agree that it's a little too close to the wall. Tara really wanted the window for more natural light so I understand that but maybe a horizontal window above the mirror could work 🤔 I also agree that a shelf inset into the wall of the water closet would be good to store supplies.
Nice work on the new rig. Tough to make everything work you want but you did a nice job. Basement storage is unbelievable!
It's a beautiful unit. Like the light color tone. Love the windows. Love the roominess in the bedroom. Don't like the TV arrangement. If someone is watching TV, you really don't have much counter space and you are standing in front of the TV. Then there's the danger of spilling something down into tv area. With the large island, it's looks like it's blocking the view of the fireplace. And the dinette and couch looks very cramped. You may regret that choice. Shower is very nice; however, don't really like walking through the bathroom to get to the bedroom. But a lot of campers have that arrangement. Storage is great. All and all, it's a nice RV. 👍
We have a Furrion instant on ours, set YOUR temperature and turn it on hot only, LOVE IT.
It’s so much better than the previous model! It’s absolutely gorgeous. My only complaints are that I don’t like the steps into the bedroom and I wish it was a front bathroom. But with a rig this gorgeous and functional you can absolutely get over that!!
Great job on the design. Doesn’t make us want to give up our Solitude 390RK but this is the best looking toy hauler on the market. Bathroom is a knockout. Toy hauler bathrooms and bedrooms are the worst but this one nails it. Love how they did the 1/2 bath. The negatives for me are the televator and the mid living. The island is in front of the TV. If we got this model we would move the living to the back and replace the couch/table with one long countertop for office space. The biggest drawback to the design is the lack of campsite windows. It’s too bad it couldn’t have swapped the kitchen for the living. But like you said no layout is perfect. Still you did an amazing job.❤️
Colors are awesome! My only thought...I like the full windows on my camp side. So excited for y'all!!
Very well thought out! Our last coach was a 45' Teton 5th wheel. Had 4 large slides which gave us a fabulous amount of room and an extremely comfortable floor plan. Sadly they went out of business in 2008. They were the premier manufacturer of 5th wheels. Having the double slides in the bedroom made for a magnificent master suite.
The unit previewed here is very interesting and shows lots of creativity. Like to see the final result.
It’s very cool that Grand Design works so closely with you guys. Nice work Lance. We purchased our first Grand design 31MB last week. Couldn’t be happier!
This is fantastic, Grand Design you are the first that I'm aware of that truly listened to a Full time RV family !! Well Done 👏
I’m shocked they didn’t come up with an option for desktops/tabletops in lieu of the bottom bunk seats in the garage! So many people use the garage as an office. (2021 397TH)
2023 DRV Luxury Suites MS Orlando Floorplan I can't find anything to beat that model
You guys are so creative with the layout. Very impressed.....can't wait to see the paint scheme
Tara sounds like one of the Pointer sisters " I'm so exited" ,great design for your needs!
LOVE it!! The toilet door would be cool to have a frosted glass rectangle near the top for some daylight but anyone could add that at their own delight.
I saw the new floorplan this week at the Hershey RV show (and also met Chad & Tara!)... It's amazing. As they said in the video, there is no way to describe the open feel of the kitchen/living area! The video simply doesn't do it justice. It's an incredibly large feeling living space for a toy hauler that still has a 13+ foot toy area.
Making those tweaks is really great! Getting exactly what you want!
ALMOST perfect, the second they said the washer dryer hook ups were in the master closet I sighed! Give the option to have the stackable washer dryer in the garage space opposite the half bath sink! So many of us want that extra closet space and don’t plan to put toys in the garage. Just putting the hook ups in the garage would be a huge improvement and honestly would make this an RV that we would be likely to purchase!
You are so excited ..like the Vanna White of Grand Reflection.
Big props to Lance and his team.
If this whole TH-cam thing doesn’t work out you have a strong future in RV design! This looks awesome!
Looks amazing! A few suggestions:
Disc brakes
17.5in tires
Ducted AC
Delete Step Above! Please lord, HATE step above
IS suspension and/or shocks
Dinette with a bench w/storage (Luxe has this in one of their TH models, it's a small bench with drawers underneath it)
Latches to lock the pocket doors closed or open
Rack to hold ladder or some other way to store the ladder (we put rubber grabs on the ceiling of the garage under bunk on our 351M)
Shade for the rear patio door (we installed a chain driven roller shade)
Factory GenY gooseneck option (or Goosebox if it's in the weight rating)
LEDs for all clearance/brakes/etc
Variable speed water pump w/accumulation tank
Go to 4 or 5 hinges for the garage door, it's too easy to tear out the screws when there are only 3 hinges
Fuel injected or diesel inverter generator option
Heat pumps for all 3 ACs instead of just the main w/soft starts (I think all the new ones have them now)
Ethernet cabling from OneControl unit (on top of cabinets) to each TV location
Looks great!! Nice work all around. There are so many nuances involved in this process. We’ve enjoyed our Imagine prototype and the process of making logical changes that RVers will appreciate. Looking forward to seeing it either at the National Rally or Hershey!
Looks really nice guys. Can't wait to watch you guys make more memories in it.
WHOAH! This is AWESOME! We originally were looking at toy haulers so we can have a garage as a flex space but didn't like the living space and bathroom in the TH floor plans. So we were going to move over to a Solitude rear kitchen floor plan. This is a game changer with the modifications you all are making. We Gotta See This "Changing Lanes" floor plan!
By far its gotta be the nicest we have ever really seen
After carefully looking at the Grand Design and the Riverstone Legacy I went with the Riverstone. The biggest factor or two biggest factors were the lack of thick insulation in the walls. The Grand Design is MUCH more susceptible to outside noise as well as the obvious insulation factor. The other thing was the cabinets and the hardware that supports the cabinets is vastly cheaper and more flimsy. I've heard nothing but good things about the folks at Grand Design. Weight and cost prevents them from stepping up to Riverstone quality. I love your design and I'm sure it will work well for you. I wish they'd just add about 15k to the price and deliver a product that has the two things I mentioned.
Such a great idea having real full time people being able to help design to get a better perspective for the manufacturer … great job, looks really nice and I love the lighter colours and contrasting colours. Way to go, wishing you two the very best in your new made to order Toy Hauler, cannot wait to see yours. Woo Hoo !
You guys are so much fun in your videos...than you for that big time!
Congrats! That was a big accomplishment!
Exciting! I hope they get rid of the side window valances on all models in the future. They look so much nicer open!
That floorplan is just about perfect. I miss not having a dining area in my toy hauler. I am excited to see what they come up with for tank capacity and weights.
We will be working on a follow-up video with those specs as well as to answer some of the comments. 👍🏼
Wow, amazing changes to the design that are really beneficial to owners. Thank you for making it happen.
Awesome job folks you knocked that one out of the park!!
Wow, I agree, an exciting time for sure!
As for the little things, I keep watching you guys get in/out with the main door. That slide seems close & stairs seem high/narrow. Carrying stuff or Miss Daisey in, while using the left arm, while trying to swing out the door to the right, seems pretty tight. That would bug me more than an the bathroom mirror situation (re: the little stuff that can bug ya).
The doors seem more narrow too, not everyone is slender, etc.
I love those white, heat repelling, outer walls!!!
I can really appreciate the double fans in the bathroom. Very good.
Love the colors. Love most of the layout except the fireplace and TV next to the oven.
I'm jealous! I have a floor plan for a class A that I've dreamed about and talked about for years. You are so lucky! You did a great job!
Wow, that floorplan is crazy! I love it!! Good job!
Love the front closet with W/D in the center. It helps with weight balance, but the biggest part is easy access to the W/D. Hope that they carry that design feature into other product lines.
EDIT - agree with another comment about the close proximity of the televator and the stove.
agreed. however, we are Garage W/D preferred folks.
@@WEBBERGANG maybe Grand Design could include hookups in both locations.
Tara I must say I enjoyed the jumping jacks! Love you guy's and your program!
This video was really exciting to watch. You and the team at Grand Design have really done a phenomenal job with this floor plan design. I personally would love this in a Class A. I know to do a Class A you would loose some of the garage space. You could probably only get a 8' garage. But for me this floor plan on a Class A Toy Hauler would be the perfect rig. Thanks for sharing the video.
Wow !! I could feel your excitment like crazy , i had to stop the vid at 3:21 and go for a run around my block. Crazy.
You did such a great job helping to design this. Our phone wouldn’t let us comment when we first watched it, so we came back to comment. It was great meeting you today.
I can feel Tara's EXCITEMENT and enthusiasm. Reckon I'd be the same if I were in her place.
You two look awesome. Looks like an awesome toy hauler upgrade 🥰. Perfect match with your F450
That Bathroom is amazing!!!!!!!!!!
Like the bathroom and the more practical pantry so you can actually access all your food and the Master suite changes. If I got it that master suite would have even more room because I only want a queen bed. Hope it works great for you guy's and than you for taking us on this special tour and wow to Grand design that they will actually work with customers to make them their custom RV design.
Nice design on your new rig! We have been living in our 40 foot North-Point for over a year while building our house. Our TV is up all of the time when not traveling. I would not want it immediately adjacent to the stove because cooking will spatter and smoke to some extent and it will be a constant battle keeping the screen clean. The bedroom chest top would be better on drawer rails so you don't need to clear the top off every time you access the hidden storage. We have such a chest in our house and the sliding top is nice and easy to use. We like our individual recliners for viewing the TV or reading, our couch is for visitors and is used only occasionally otherwise. Best Wishes from Petersburg AK
Tara it's so fun to see you that excited!
28:05 looks like the faucet needs to be longer to get past the back edge of the sink. This is a common problem in most RV's
love the final model and reducing the couch by three inches to allow more space in the dining area is important. The medicine cabinet is so important so I hope they can make it work. The bedroom is fantastic and love all the storage. The basement area is perfect for access and storage. Great design you too.
That bis beautiful. I haven't been able to say that about most toy haulers.Nice work!!
This is a very nice design. Love the bathroom area. Plus an L shape couch will be great. Good job guys!
We walked through the prototype and wow nice work you guys. Love it!
It looks very nice and you did a great job. I’m still working out the kinks on my 2021 397TH. I think it takes a TH-cam Channel to get great support from GD. So many issues and my email to the CEO went unanswered. A year and a half and I still have the 3 season doors falling off. Having said that, still enjoying our trips and enjoy your channel. I learned so much over the past two years and used your channel to get started. Can’t thank you enough for all the tips and knowledge sharing. Enjoy your new rig!
Love the rig, however, flip the kitchen and sofa/table areas so that you are over looking your camp spot and not your neighbor's. Get rid of the toilet closet. Just a toilet.
Change out the white countertops. Add color and round the corners.
Enjoy your new rig!!!! How exciting 😁
Good job!! Best floor plan I have seen in a toy hauler.
Looks totally awesome! I think you will really enjoy it. Now to get yours and start modifying and personalizing it. You’ve only just begun!
First, thank you guys for your service. Yes both, if ones actually wears the uniform, the other does their part in keeping home fires burning. Then, OMG ! Nailed it! Almost. “So Exciting” with what I’ve seen so far. There are a few small things I see after watching this video a few dozen times that could be done , maybe. My interest? I want one, but it can’t be as left after proto 2. Would love to meet you guys in Hershey next month. Vet to vet time, lunch on me. Hope to see you soon.
I really like the 3rd version of the 2nd prototype. The corner seating looks great! I’m not as excited about the window right across from the shower, I guess it’s a shade it would be ok. Enjoy the lighter colors! Well done! 👍🏻🖖🏻😘🙏🏻
This design was obviously oblivious to children and families. Very centered on couples only. That is fine but it would have been helpful upfront to indicate who the targeted customer is. Great storage but I heard nothing about CCC. SO MANY RVs have lots of storage that results in owners over loading them making them unsafe on the roads. Also no discussion the the size truck neede to pull this fifth wheel. Chances are you are looking at an ICE truck in the $100K+ range. Cannot even imagine an EV truck. Maybe do a followup video with these considerations.
Just stunning and everything we wanted, thank you!
I agree with this idea. Lots of the designers don't spend long periods of time sitting in and using these RV's under normal conditions as they typically spend a business day evaluating and configuring them. In the real world, maybe they do spend some real living time inside them while camping etc. but likely not the kind of time full time RV folks do which is how most of the design and engineering takes its punches, good or bad.
Beautiful colors and I like the dinning table but would prefer the love seat
Love all of your vid's but this has to be one of my favorite! My best to you both! Love your show.
Wow, the larger bathroom and the full size oven are great.
Beautiful!! Especially the larger bathroom! 💜
So what you're saying is. It's exciting! So Awesome.
Congratulations,it looks wonderful. Proud of both of you .
I love my side patio on my 399THR but I give it up for the extra seating and that insane basement. Y'all did good. Can't wait to see y'alls with your personal touch.
Love the video. Thanks again for sharing. We have learned so much from watching your videos and enjoy them too. Excited for you guys to get your new home. Big changes for you all in 2022
Pro type 2 is amazing perfect perfect perfect
Very nice, our favorite model is still the 376TH. We like the separation of the living, kitchen and master bedroom, I know that floor plan does not work for you. With all the upgrades you have done it is going to be a chore to move all that into a new rig. Congratulations on the new rig you guys deserve it.